should shia muslims leave pakistan?

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Naveed Hasan

Councller (250+ posts)
کراچی;
گزشتہ رات شیعوں کےحملے.
تقوی مسجد میں مولنا شاکراللہ اورمولنا آصف. نارتھ کراچی میں گلبھار مسجد کےامام سمیت دو افراد اورپانچ تبلیغی شھید....




 

UKPakistani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The premise was inaccurate, yet you read it anyway, which is why you mentioned the Zionists vs. Jews example.

Those Jews are Naturei Karta and they are a minority within a minority.
Those other ones who you are referring to do not believe that Israel does not have the right to exist except for the aforementioned sect, that too because they believe they have to wait for their "messiah" before it can exist.

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You really did avoid the question. I did not mention Iraq. You did not answer the simple point about people being taken off buses and shot in Iran. If you do have evidence of such incidents, then do share.

YOU said as many Shia live in Pakistan as do Sunni's in Iran. I merely pointed out that numerically that is a lie. :)

What about the Hasidic, Satmar, Haredi, Mizrahi, Sephardic, Ashkenazic Jews, all minorities but all opposed to Israel worldwide

You seem to have an expertise on what is happening in the entire Islamic World, and Jews to boot and you know the causes and solutions. What are you doing wasting your superior knowledge and intellect on a forum for those who clearly do not appreciate how right you are about everything. :)
 

QaiserMirza

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
کراچی;
گزشتہ رات شیعوں کےحملے.
تقوی مسجد میں مولنا شاکراللہ اورمولنا آصف. نارتھ کراچی میں گلبھار مسجد کےامام سمیت دو افراد اورپانچ تبلیغی شھید....



جب تک پاکستان میں رافضیوں کے ساتھ وہ ہی سلوک نہیں ہوتا جو کہ ایران میں سنی مسلمانوں کے ساتھ ہوتا ہے اس وقت تک یہ قتل و غارت گری جاری رہے گی
جب بھی یہ اقلتی دین کے لوگ اس طرح بغیر کسی روک ٹوک کے پھرتے رہیں گے یہ فساد ختم نہیں ہو سکتے انہیں اقلیتی فرقے ہی کی طرح رہنا ہوگا پاکستان میں

 

M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Look at all those Sipah-e-Sahaba, Taliban, AlQaeda fan boys like

@w-a-n-t-e-d-
@MuslimPak [MENTION=5463]QaiserMirza[/MENTION]

all unliking your posts just because you are or sympathise with the Shia MUSLIM community!!
 
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M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
جب تک پاکستان میں رافضیوں کے ساتھ وہ ہی سلوک نہیں ہوتا جو کہ ایران میں سنی مسلمانوں کے ساتھ ہوتا ہے اس وقت تک یہ قتل و غارت گری جاری رہے گی
جب بھی یہ اقلتی دین کے لوگ اس طرح بغیر کسی روک ٹوک کے پھرتے رہیں گے یہ فساد ختم نہیں ہو سکتے انہیں اقلیتی فرقے ہی کی طرح رہنا ہوگا پاکستان میں [/right]


Pakistan ka Iran sey KOI TAALUQ nahin!!!!

Kabhi Hazara Shia ko Balochistan mein maartey ho,
kabhi Parachinar mein Shia Turi maartey ho,
kabhi south Punjab aur Karachi mein Shia maartey ho,
aur Gilgit Baltistan mein bhi khushi khushi sey maartey ho.

Saudi Arabia kitna tum sey khush hota hoga!!!
 
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gotti

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You really did avoid the question. I did not mention Iraq. You did not answer the simple point about people being taken off buses and shot in Iran. If you do have evidence of such incidents, then do share.

YOU said as many Shia live in Pakistan as do Sunni's in Iran. I merely pointed out that numerically that is a lie. :)

What about the Hasidic, Satmar, Haredi, Mizrahi, Sephardic, Ashkenazic Jews, all minorities but all opposed to Israel worldwide

You seem to have an expertise on what is happening in the entire Islamic World, and Jews to boot and you know the causes and solutions. What are you doing wasting your superior knowledge and intellect on a forum for those who clearly do not appreciate how right you are about everything. :)

Ashkenazi are not opposed to Israel. They are the largest group of Jews and their views vary. They are anywhere from reformist to orthodox to whatever.

Some of the others that were mentioned include orthodox Jews that are not opposed to Israel.

Rather, they are the settlers involved in most of the violence and they are the ones that are asked to leave by the IDF.

They may be opposing the fact that they don't want to serve in the military and that might be changing as per government policies but that opposition is definitely not because of the Palestinian cause.

Also, it is quite evident that you lack the basic understanding of Israeli-Palestinian concerns and are trying to make yourself relevant by throwing words to deceive someone who doesn't know into thinking you have a complete grasp on the subject.

Unfortunately, I am not in that boat (one that is definitely sinking because of the unbearable burden of innumerable passengers).

I don't like rubbing things into people's faces but I would like to request you to show me one Jew who believes Israel does not have the right to exist at any point whatsoever (the belief that you have, ironically, living in Britain, the country that helped create Israel to begin with. Wonder how hard it was to take the oath of the Queen. Not too hard because of the welfare state's social benefits)

So, to say that you are an objective person and that majority of the Jews are in agreement with you and that there is this one Jew standing in the corner forcing the rest to believe what he says is comical at best and fantastic at worst (root word: Fantasy).

Now to your insistence in me clarifying the population difference. I would like to avoid answering that because it seems as if you are missing the larger goal of achieving unity and peace by addressing the concerns that people have regarding Iran's mistreatment of it's minorities.

I can answer that by either saying that the intent was figurative and not actual figures as you would know given your last employment at the UN's census department.

Or, you can use the example of Bahai's that you must've heard of at your former place of employment (the UN) and the fact that the regime deflates the population figures of the minorities in Iran to show their grasp on power.

Some quote the same figures you have quoted for Pakistan...70% Shia, 20% Sunni...They cannot be independently confirmed by the same departments that you are quoting when you hold my quotation of the population figures against me.

Now, are you going to pick the figures that suit your needs or are you going to instead be objective in choosing what they also report regarding the inaccuracies.

Just choosing one set of figures is like saying that you believed your mother when she said you weren't adopted and then, when she says you were, you don't believe her. If you believed her the first time, why not the second? "you" does not refer to you, I am being general (before you lose your cool over this, too)

As far as your last comment is concerned, I sense sarcasm in it but I also realize that in your opinion, anyone that has the slightest bit of knowledge or understanding deserves to be outside the forum and elsewhere much superior. In other words, you are suggesting that your IQ is the criteria for this forum. Anyone having one higher would be claiming to be a genius?

This is not a debate so I don't expect you to answer anything I said.

Elaborating on the situation of Sunnis in Iran would create hatred towards the people of your sect and would incite killings of innocent people who had nothing to do with Iran's extremist policies.
 
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UKPakistani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Unfortunately, I am not in that boat (one that is definitely sinking because of the unbearable burden of innumerable passengers).

I don't like rubbing things into people's faces but I would like to request you to show me one Jew who believes Israel does not have the right to exist at any point whatsoever (the belief that you have, ironically, living in Britain, the country that helped create Israel to begin with. Wonder how hard it was to take the oath of the Queen. Not too hard because of the welfare state's social benefits)

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I don't like rubbing things into people's faces
 
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gotti

Guest
Pakistan ka Iran sey KOI TAALUQ nahin!!!!

Kabhi Hazara Shia ko Balochistan mein maartey ho,
kabhi Parachinar mein Shia Turi maartey ho,
kabhi south Punjab aur Karachi mein Shia maartey ho,
aur Gilgit Baltistan mein bhi khushi khushi sey maartey ho.

Saudi Arabia kitna tum sey khush hota hoga!!!

Acha, aur humain yahan kehtay thay kay hum liberal hain aur hum inteha-pasandi kay khilaaf hain...chalo acha hai...tumhara bhi pata chal hi gaya finally...

tum bhi inteha-pasand niklay...
 
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gotti

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I don't like rubbing things into people's faces

Let's do this again. I know you guys love Naturei Karta but I said "one Jew who believes Israel does not have the right to exist at any point whatsoever"

You didn't mention the "at any point whatsoever" part.

They believe Israel does not have the right to exist until and unless their Messiah returns.

They believe Israel SHOULD exist...just not now, but later

So that video "not applicable".

Oops! You lost! Better Luck next time

I don't like rubbing things into people's faces

Didn't have the desired effect, did it? It's okay, you can keep trying...it doesn't mean you failed, it just means you have to try harder

BTW, You did fail but I am a lover not a fighter
 
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gotti

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I do not want to get involved in this "debate".

My heartfelt condolences to the @TS

It is painful for ALL patriotic Pakistanis that such ignorance prevails

My message is in this pic

intolerance.jpg


I wish I could've seen this message in practice from your own choice of words but instead you chose to over-zealously silence me in a post that I was trying to promote social harmony in. That doesn't mean I failed or I will stop. It just shows how much you really stand behind your words
 

Saladin A

Minister (2k+ posts)
I do not consider them Muslims and they can not be Muslims when they kill innocent human beings irrespective of their religious, beliefs, ethnicity and geographical backgrounds. They are men of evil and devils who breed hatred and enjoy to propagating hatred all around them.

I remember during Iraq War, The Americans set up 'Death Squads' in Iraq head by Moqta Sadr, leading Shia cleric and his organization was responsible for killing of thousands of innocent men, women and children who were identified by their ID cards and then brutally murdered. And, hundreds of thousands of Sunnis were made to flee Iraq in fear of their lives. I can see history repeating itself in Pakistan and this time it is our shia brothers, sisters and children who are killed by these criminals. I can see a foreign conspiracy in these organized and planned killing of Shias and I would not hesitate to point to my finger at our closest neighbour and enemies who call themselves friends of Pakistan.

I would urge this government to crush this kind of fanatic uprising and crush it before it turns into a genocide.
 

In flames

MPA (400+ posts)
Last night in Karachi 10 innocent sunnis were killed by the shia terrorist,thanks to shia government of Zardari Abidi etc.
 

jagga9

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Last night in Karachi 10 innocent sunnis were killed by the shia terrorist,thanks to shia government of Zardari Abidi etc.

PPP has never done this.. I am the biggest hater of PPP/zardari/bibi but PPP has never killed anyone like PMLN/JI .. I can't say anything about PTI.. but PPP is the only party which listens to all the critics. They are not into this dirty game.
 

A.G.Uddin

Minister (2k+ posts)
Look at all those Sipah-e-Sahaba, Taliban, AlQaeda fan boys like

@w-a-n-t-e-d-
@MuslimPak @QaiserMirza

all unliking your posts just because you are or sympathise with the Shia MUSLIM community!!
[MENTION=31814]In flames[/MENTION] ko bhoolgaye kya,woh bhi issi kaam per laga hua hai.Aur ek baat dekho,yeh sab hazarat bus posts ko dislike karte hain,debate karna aur apni baat explain karna inhein aata he nahi.Buhat he kum posts ki inhun ne khud kyunki shayad inka dil jaanta hai key yeh aur inke leaders/scholars insanoun jaisa behaviour adopt nahi karsakte.Bus qatal karte jau aur fotna phelao.Allama Iqbal ne he kaha tha key Mullah ka deen fitna ur fasad hai.
 

A.G.Uddin

Minister (2k+ posts)
jab tak app loog imam mahdi aur messia(as) ko accept kar kay ussi ki jamaat main shamouliyyat nhein kartay tabb tak apne aap ko is azaab main hi pao gai!!!

Dear kya aap khud bhi hatred aur anger ko hawa nahi derahe.I condemn killing of innocent Ahmadis in Pakistan too despite having difference of beliefs.Lekin sorry to say key yeh prachar karne ka time aur tareeqa nahi hai.
 
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