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[Humi]

Re: Share you thoughts on Love, Loyalty and Respect

I can understand you might have only one option to stick to one person based on love but why would someone have one option to be loyal to one person even after getting deceived? Why would we let ourselves to break into pieces when we know someone is not worth that loyalty. My point is we can do that to ourselves in love but not in loyalty.

I think this happens often enough in our families....families are not just about love and loyalty, there is a sense of responsibility and obligation as well which is hard to overcome...

 

[MADdoo]

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I can understand you might have only one option to stick to one person based on love but why would someone have one option to be loyal to one person even after getting deceived? Why would we let ourselves to break into pieces when we know someone is not worth that loyalty. My point is we can do that to ourselves in love but not in loyalty.

Agreed,someone's worth that loyalty and worth that love is different.

 

[saeenji]

Re: Share you thoughts on Love, Loyalty and Respect

I think love is more powerful and stable as it wouldn't be changing its direction even after getting deceived. Love is far too powerful feelings rather than loyalty element.

Such as feelings of love for our siblings, no matter how much we get hurt or get disappointed by them we still love our siblings and parents.

Yes I do get bullied on this forum by few members they keep accusing me but I am still hanging on this forum.:(

There is a considerable difference between Loyalty and Love as you have correctly explained. Still I think that there is a difference between Love between a man and women and love for our siblings. :)

Try and avoid those members who are trying to bully you even then if they do, just ignore them. :)

 

[Humi]

Re: Share you thoughts on Love, Loyalty and Respect

Love doesn't die....We kill it through egos and deceit
Loyalty doesn't fade away....we ruin it with our indifference to someone's sentiments
Respect isn't lost...it slowly erodes away as we show others the ugliness within us...

 

[Humi]

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Deep down we are all afraid that the person we care about the most would one day see all of our flaws and would not look at us the same way ever again...

 

[MADdoo]

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I think this happens often enough in our families....families are not just about love and loyalty, there is a sense of responsibility and obligation as well which is hard to overcome...

You got the the point right..... i saw some relationships where a person has to compromise on loyalty and love, because of his responsibility....
For me , that person is a great person.

 

[Zoyaa]

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Please do stay here with us :) Ignore the bullies....

Bullies find it amusing to pin point on me because I try writing Urdu even tough its not good but after having encouragement from friends on forum, I still keep trying. But it is hurtful when one bully keeps calling me 'Ghorraa' (horse). :( Anyway thanks for your kindness, I am willing to stay.

I think this happens often enough in our families....families are not just about love and loyalty, there is a sense of responsibility and obligation as well which is hard to overcome...

As we are discussing in particular about Love and Loyalty then I think love is far too stronger and it makes us helpless in front of loved one however loyalty is not that powerful element.
Even if we are neglected in family in terms of responsibility or obligation we will still be in love for our loved one. So I would say, even in absence of paid responsibilities and obligation the feelings of love would be still there.

 

[Humi]

Re: Share you thoughts on Love, Loyalty and Respect

You got the the point right..... i saw some relationships where a person has to compromise on loyalty and love, because of his responsibility....
For me , that person is a great person.

that person is a gem of a person....even with that obligation hanging over your head, its not easy for everyone to compromise :)

 

[MADdoo]

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Deep down we are all afraid that the person we care about the most would one day see all of our flaws and would not look at us the same way ever again...

One can see our flaws when we don't matter to them... until we matter, they ignore all our flaws. this turning doesnt happen in a day...
thing work deep in subconscious. Accumulating the positives and negatives of a person.when it reaches to a break even point , that change their mind.

 

[Humi]

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Bullies find it amusing to pin point on me because I try writing Urdu even tough its not good but after having encouragement from friends on forum, I still keep trying. But it is hurtful when one bully keeps calling me 'Ghorraa' (horse). :( Anyway thanks for your kindness, I am willing to stay.


As we are discussing in particular about Love and Loyalty then I think love is far too stronger and it makes us helpless in front of loved one however loyalty is not that powerful element.
Even if we are neglected in family in terms of responsibility or obligation we will still be in love for our loved one. So I would say, even in absence of paid responsibilities and obligation the feelings of love would be still there.

if you want to write it in urdu, write away...no one has a right to bully you over that...they just want to make themselves feel superior hence picking on you...imagine the state of mind that a bully has that he has to gain confidence by hurting someone...they are so not worth any anguish...instead they are over constant anguish themselves!

Love makes you helpless to an extent...but a time comes, when you realize that you don't deserve it...everything has its limits even love...after that if you stick around, its because of a sense of obligation often only..

 

[Humi]

Re: Share you thoughts on Love, Loyalty and Respect

One can see our flaws when we don't matter to them... until we matter, they ignore all our flaws. this turning doesnt happen in a day...
thing work deep in subconscious. Accumulating the positives and negatives of a person.when it reaches to a break even point , that change their mind.

that's very scary you know...:(

 

[MADdoo]

Re: Share you thoughts on Love, Loyalty and Respect

As we are discussing in particular about Love and Loyalty then I think love is far too stronger and it makes us helpless in front of loved one however loyalty is not that powerful element.
Even if we are neglected in family in terms of responsibility or obligation we will still be in love for our loved one. So I would say, even in absence of paid responsibilities and obligation the feelings of love would be still there.

that is why there is one punjabi saying, i don't know its right now a day or not. " Jadon koi paraya marry ga, droop which suty ga, apna marry ga tay chawain sutay ga)

i don't know you can understand it or not.

 

[Zoyaa]

Re: Share you thoughts on Love, Loyalty and Respect

There is a considerable difference between Loyalty and Love as you have correctly explained. Still I think that there is a difference between Love between a man and women and love for our siblings. :)

Try and avoid those members who are trying to bully you even then if they do, just ignore them. :)

You are absolutely right there is difference in feelings of love. I read somewhere that Mirza got deceived by Sahibaan when he found his arrows broken at the time of collision with her brothers. He was helpless because Sahibaan was the one who broke them to save her brothers. Even in that intensive situation his love for Sahibaan wasn't changed however he accepted to die helplessly. We do agree that course of loyalty can be changed but stopping to love someone is not really in power.

Yes, I try to ignore and report such abusive members who bully me but I don't think admin take much notice so I end up in getting hurt. I take time to recover, I come back but get attacked by him again.:(

 

[MADdoo]

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that's very scary you know...:(

yup but this is the reality of human intelligence. We don't notice a lot of thing and action of a person, but things are noticed and recorded in some part of our mind.

I believe one more thing, 6th sense is also related to that. Prediction of our subconscious is a 6th sense.

 

[Humi]

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yup but this is the reality of human intelligence. We don't notice a lot of thing and action of a person, but things are noticed and recorded in some part of our mind.

I believe one more thing, 6th sense is also related to that. Prediction of our subconscious is a 6th sense.

In my opinion, deep down in some corner of our mind, we always know the flaws of other person...we are just afraid of admitting it to ourselves...

furthermore, once we see those flaws we act and judge too harshly...everyone has flaws...we ourselves have them and we shouldn't judge the other person too harshly but that is what happens...

P.S Interesting choice of name change...are you saying you do mad stuff? :S

 

[Zoyaa]

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if you want to write it in urdu, write away...no one has a right to bully you over that...they just want to make themselves feel superior hence picking on you...imagine the state of mind that a bully has that he has to gain confidence by hurting someone...they are so not worth any anguish...instead they are over constant anguish themselves!

Love makes you helpless to an extent...but a time comes, when you realize that you don't deserve it...everything has its limits even love...after that if you stick around, its because of a sense of obligation often only..

Regarding Red part: Thank you very much once again, I wish people have same thinking like you but they prefer to be detectives and start throwing their accusation without thinking of the possibility that they could be wrong and could hurt someone. :( That's why now I only write Urdu by quoting those friends who have a laugh with me but not to take a mick out of my writing.

The point about love is making us helpless to an extent, I don't agree to it that we stick around based on obligation after realization. I think I can throw obligation and walk away but I can't turn my back from taking care of my loved one based on my helpless position towards love.
For example there are plenty people who got destroyed by their parents false decisions but they still love their parents so its is hard to stick to just obligation and to open our eyes after realization. Because love is blind and forceful.

 

[MADdoo]

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In my opinion, deep down in some corner of our mind, we always know the flaws of other person...we are just afraid of admitting it to ourselves...

furthermore, once we see those flaws we act and judge too harshly...everyone has flaws...we ourselves have them and we shouldn't judge the other person too harshly but that is what happens...

P.S Interesting choice of name change...are you saying you do mad stuff? :S

OMG, You are good at this subject. I will elaborate more, We know flaws of the person who is in our good books and we know the good of the person who is in our bad book.

2nd thing, we act harshly when think from our side only, buh when we put ourselves in other person's situation then we realise why those flaws are. After knowing this, we won't be harsh anymore.....

lolz, no, this is nothing about Mad.
Maddoo is my childhood nick in family, derived from my name.

 

[tariisb]

Re: Share you thoughts on Love, Loyalty and Respect

کیا یہ کتابی باتیں نہیں ہیں؟

محبت اگر پھل ہوتا تو ، مشکل مشکل ہی ملتا ، بہت جتن کرنے پڑتے ، درختوں کو ہلانا جلانا پڑتا ، باغبانوں کے ترلے کرنے ہوتے ، لیکن محبت ایک نعمت ہے ، کبھی اتر آتی ہے ، کبھی بکھر جاتی ہے ، کبھی ہو جاتی ہے ، کبھی کھو جاتی ہے ، کیوں ہوتی ہے ؟ کب ہوتی ہے ؟ نہیں پتہ ، پتہ ہوتا تو محبت نا ہوتی فقط عادت ہوتی ، محبت ؟ بس ہوتی ہے ، ہو جاتی ہے ، اکثر ہم محبت لیے پھرتے ہیں ، مگر کم کم ہی محبت ہمیں ڈھونڈ پاتی ہے ، جو محبت دی جاے وہ مقدس ، اور جو محبت مل جاے وہ بیش قیمت ، مقدس و قیمتی میں سے ، مقدس کو ہی چننا ہو گا ، دینے والا عابد جو سمیٹ لے وہ مقدس ، محبت دی جاتی ہے ، مانگی نہیں جاتی ، دینا ایک بلندی ، مانگنا ایک پستی

وفاداری کیا ہے ، کیا نہیں ، کوئی جامد شے نہیں ، کوئی ٹھوس حقیقت نہیں ، بس ایک توقع ہے ، ایک خیال ہے ، ایک خواہش ہے ، جس کی دریافت میں ہم شاکی رہتے ہیں ، ڈھونڈتے پھرتے ہیں ، ان ہی سے برآمد ہوتی ہے جو سخی ہوتے ہیں ، جن کے دل تنگ ہوتے ہیں ، جو کنجوس ہوتے ہیں ، وہ نہیں دیتے ، ہر بار خالی لوٹا دیتے ہیں ، مگر ؟ وفاداری دریافت ہے کوئی تخلیق نہیں ، مل جاے تو ملے ، نا ملے تو نا ملے ، ڈھونڈنا بے سود ، امید لا حاصل ،

احترام ، احترام بھی ملتا ہے ، محبت سے بھرا ہوتا ہے ، وفاداری سے لدا ہوتا ہے ، احترام عجیب پھل ہے ، محبت کی مٹھاس ہوتی ہے ، وفاداری کا رنگ ہوتا ہے ، مگر احترام کا درخت بہت مشکل سے تیار ہوتا ہے ، خلوص کی مٹی ہوتی ہے ، محبت کا پانی ہوتا ہے ، توجہ کی چھایا ہوتی ہے ، مسلسل ، مسلسل ان سب کا اظہار ہوتا ہے ، پھر کہیں جا کر کونپلیں پھوٹتی ہیں ، کلیاں کھلکھلاتی ہیں ، پھل کی آمد کی خبر دیتی ہیں ، تب کہیں احترام کا پھل ، شخصیت کے درخت کو خوشنما بناتا ہے ، احترام میں سب جمع ہو جاتا ہے ، بہت سے رنگ ایک رنگ بنا دیتے ہیں
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[saeenji]

Re: Share you thoughts on Love, Loyalty and Respect

محبت اگر پھل ہوتا تو ، مشکل مشکل ہی ملتا ، بہت جتن کرنے پڑتے ، درختوں کو ہلانا جلانا پڑتا ، باغبانوں کے ترلے کرنے ہوتے ، لیکن محبت ایک نعمت ہے ، کبھی اتر آتی ہے ، کبھی بکھر جاتی ہے ، کبھی ہو جاتی ہے ، کبھی کھو جاتی ہے ، کیوں ہوتی ہے ؟ کب ہوتی ہے ؟ نہیں پتہ ، پتہ ہوتا تو محبت نا ہوتی فقط عادت ہوتی ، محبت ؟ بس ہوتی ہے ، ہو جاتی ہے ، اکثر ہم محبت لیے پھرتے ہیں ، مگر کم کم ہی محبت ہمیں ڈھونڈ پاتی ہے ، جو محبت دی جاے وہ مقدس ، اور جو محبت مل جاے وہ بیش قیمت ، مقدس و قیمتی میں سے ، مقدس کو ہی چننا ہو گا ، دینے والا عابد جو سمیٹ لے وہ مقدس ، محبت دی جاتی ہے ، مانگی نہیں جاتی ، دینا ایک بلندی ، مانگنا ایک پستی

وفاداری کیا ہے ، کیا نہیں ، کوئی جامد شے نہیں ، کوئی ٹھوس حقیقت نہیں ، بس ایک توقع ہے ، ایک خیال ہے ، ایک خواہش ہے ، جس کی دریافت میں ہم شاکی رہتے ہیں ، ڈھونڈتے پھرتے ہیں ، ان ہی سے برآمد ہوتی ہے جو سخی ہوتے ہیں ، جن کے دل تنگ ہوتے ہیں ، جو کنجوس ہوتے ہیں ، وہ نہیں دیتے ، ہر بار خالی لوٹا دیتے ہیں ، مگر ؟ وفاداری دریافت ہے کوئی تخلیق نہیں ، مل جاے تو ملے ، نا ملے تو نا ملے ، ڈھونڈنا بے سود ، امید لا حاصل ،

احترام ، احترام بھی ملتا ہے ، محبت سے بھرا ہوتا ہے ، وفاداری سے لدا ہوتا ہے ، احترام عجیب پھل ہے ، محبت کی مٹھاس ہوتی ہے ، وفاداری کا رنگ ہوتا ہے ، مگر احترام کا درخت بہت مشکل سے تیار ہوتا ہے ، خلوص کی مٹی ہوتی ہے ، محبت کا پانی ہوتا ہے ، توجہ کی چھایا ہوتی ہے ، مسلسل ، مسلسل ان سب کا اظہار ہوتا ہے ، پھر کہیں جا کر کونپلیں پھوٹتی ہیں ، کلیاں کھلکھلاتی ہیں ، پھل کی آمد کی خبر دیتی ہیں ، تب کہیں احترام کا پھل ، شخصیت کے درخت کو خوشنما بناتا ہے ، احترام میں سب جمع ہو جاتا ہے ، بہت سے رنگ ایک رنگ بنا دیتے ہیں
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[saeenji]

Re: Share you thoughts on Love, Loyalty and Respect

Deep down we are all afraid that the person we care about the most would one day see all of our flaws and would not look at us the same way ever again...

I consider this as one of the main reasons for failure of Love Marriages. The picture that both try to paint is of fantasy and real life is on the contrary. :)