Saudi Arabia, UAE financing extremism in south Punjab Dawn News Paper

hans

Banned
After all we cant blame India for all mess going on , there are more hands and figures toying with Pakistan. As our Pakistani politician always say "Hidden Hands".

Read on ....

KARACHI: A US official in a cable sent to the State Department stated that financial support estimated at nearly 100 million USD annually was making its way to Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith clerics in south Punjab from organisations in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates ostensibly with the direct support of those governments.

The cable sent in November 2008 by Bryan Hunt, the then Principal Officer at the US Consulate in Lahore, was based on information from discussions with local government and non-governmental sources during his trips to the cities of Multan and Bahawalpur.

Quoting local interlocutors, Hunt attempts to explain how the sophisticated jihadi recruitment network operated in a region dominated by the Barelvi sect, which, according to the cable, made south Punjab traditionally hostile to Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith schools of thought.

Hunt refers to a network of Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith mosques and madrassahs being strengthened through an influx of charity which originally reached organisations such as Jamaat-ud-Dawa and Al-Khidmat foundation. Portions of these funds would then be given away to clerics in order to expand these sects presence in a relatively inhospitable yet potentially fruitful recruiting ground.

Outlining the process of recruitment for militancy, the cable describes how families with multiple children and severe financial difficulties were generally being exploited for recruitment purposes. Families first approached by ostensibly charitable organisations would later be introduced to a local Deobandi or Ahl-i-Hadith maulana who would offer to educate the children at his madrassah and find them employment in the service of Islam. Martyrdom was also often discussed, with a final cash payment to the parents. Local sources claim that the current average rate is approximately Rs 500,000 (approximately USD 6,500) per son, the cable states.

Children recruited would be given age-specific indoctrination and would eventually be trained according to the madrassah teachers assessment of their inclination to engage in violence and acceptance of jihadi culture versus their value as promoters of Deobandi or Ahl-i-Hadith sects or recruiters, the cable states.

Recruits chosen for jihad would then be taken to more sophisticated indoctrination camps. Locals identified three centres reportedly used for this purpose. Two of the centres were stated to be in the Bahawalpur district, whereas one was reported as situated on the outskirts of Dera Ghazi Khan city. These centres were primarily used for indoctrination, after which youths were generally sent on to more established training camps in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and then on to jihad either in FATA, NWFP, or as suicide bombers in settled areas.

The cable goes on to quote local officials criticising the PML-N-led provincial and the PPP-led federal governments for their failure to act against extremist madrassas, or known prominent leaders such as Jaish-i-Mohammads Masood Azhar. The Bahawalpur district nazim at the time told Hunt that despite repeatedly highlighting the threat posed by extremist groups and indoctrination centres to the provincial and federal governments, he had received no support in dealing with the issue unless he was ready to change his political loyalties. The nazim, who at the time was with the PML-Q, blamed politics, stating that unless he was willing to switch partiesneither the Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz provincial nor the Pakistan Peoples Party federal governments would take his requests seriously.

Cable referenced: WikiLeaks # 178082.
 

Muslimpower

MPA (400+ posts)
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GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
After all we cant blame India for all mess going on , there are more hands and figures toying with Pakistan. As our Pakistani politician always say "Hidden Hands".

Read on ....

KARACHI: A US official in a cable sent to the State Department stated that “financial support estimated at nearly 100 million USD annually was making its way to Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith clerics in south Punjab from organisations in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates ostensibly with the direct support of those governments.”

The cable sent in November 2008 by Bryan Hunt, the then Principal Officer at the US Consulate in Lahore, was based on information from discussions with local government and non-governmental sources during his trips to the cities of Multan and Bahawalpur.

Quoting local interlocutors, Hunt attempts to explain how the “sophisticated jihadi recruitment network” operated in a region dominated by the Barelvi sect, which, according to the cable, made south Punjab “traditionally hostile” to Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith schools of thought.

Hunt refers to a “network of Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith mosques and madrassahs” being strengthened through an influx of “charity” which originally reached organisations “such as Jamaat-ud-Dawa and Al-Khidmat foundation”. Portions of these funds would then be given away to clerics “in order to expand these sects’ presence” in a relatively inhospitable yet “potentially fruitful recruiting ground”.

Outlining the process of recruitment for militancy, the cable describes how “families with multiple children” and “severe financial difficulties” were generally being exploited for recruitment purposes. Families first approached by “ostensibly ‘charitable’” organisations would later be introduced to a “local Deobandi or Ahl-i-Hadith maulana” who would offer to educate the children at his madrassah and “find them employment in the service of Islam”. “Martyrdom” was also “often discussed”, with a final cash payment to the parents. “Local sources claim that the current average rate is approximately Rs 500,000 (approximately USD 6,500) per son,” the cable states.

Children recruited would be given age-specific indoctrination and would eventually be trained according to the madrassah teachers’ assessment of their inclination “to engage in violence and acceptance of jihadi culture” versus their value as promoters of Deobandi or Ahl-i-Hadith sects or recruiters, the cable states.

Recruits “chosen for jihad” would then be taken to “more sophisticated indoctrination camps”. “Locals identified three centres reportedly used for this purpose”. Two of the centres were stated to be in the Bahawalpur district, whereas one was reported as situated “on the outskirts of Dera Ghazi Khan city”. These centres “were primarily used for indoctrination”, after which “youths were generally sent on to more established training camps in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and then on to jihad either in FATA, NWFP, or as suicide bombers in settled areas”.

The cable goes on to quote local officials criticising the PML-N-led provincial and the PPP-led federal governments for their “failure to act” against “extremist madrassas, or known prominent leaders such as Jaish-i-Mohammad’s Masood Azhar”. The Bahawalpur district nazim at the time told Hunt that despite repeatedly highlighting the threat posed by extremist groups and indoctrination centres to the provincial and federal governments, he had received “no support” in dealing with the issue unless he was ready to change his political loyalties. The nazim, who at the time was with the PML-Q, “blamed politics, stating that unless he was willing to switch parties…neither the Pakistan Muslim League – Nawaz provincial nor the Pakistan People’s Party federal governments would take his requests seriously”.

Cable referenced: WikiLeaks # 178082.

Mole,
Taira Bajnay Wala Hai Tol

Apni Chamakti Dum Ab Israel Ja Kar Aur Charge Karwa Lay
Terex Tou Zillat Kay Full Honors Say Daffa Ho Gaya
Tou Kiya Uc Ka Bhi Record Toray Ga

Why don't you respond on Urder Posts, Parhni Nahi Aati Kiya,
Par Tum Tou Kehtay Thay Keh Tum Sunni Pakistani Ho
Acha Advance Main Hi India Ko Pakistan Keh Rahay Thay,
Kon Kon Sa Elaqa Day Diya, Dilli Tak Ya Uc Say Bhi Agay....
 

lotaa

Minister (2k+ posts)
is baat ka sab ko pata hay,k arab country pakistan mein kiya kiya kartay hain,ye porani bata hay,aur ab b yehi ho raha hai,but hum samjhein ge nahi in ko,,
After all we cant blame India for all mess going on , there are more hands and figures toying with Pakistan. As our Pakistani politician always say "Hidden Hands".

Read on ....

KARACHI: A US official in a cable sent to the State Department stated that “financial support estimated at nearly 100 million USD annually was making its way to Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith clerics in south Punjab from organisations in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates ostensibly with the direct support of those governments.”

The cable sent in November 2008 by Bryan Hunt, the then Principal Officer at the US Consulate in Lahore, was based on information from discussions with local government and non-governmental sources during his trips to the cities of Multan and Bahawalpur.

Quoting local interlocutors, Hunt attempts to explain how the “sophisticated jihadi recruitment network” operated in a region dominated by the Barelvi sect, which, according to the cable, made south Punjab “traditionally hostile” to Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith schools of thought.

Hunt refers to a “network of Deobandi and Ahl-i-Hadith mosques and madrassahs” being strengthened through an influx of “charity” which originally reached organisations “such as Jamaat-ud-Dawa and Al-Khidmat foundation”. Portions of these funds would then be given away to clerics “in order to expand these sects’ presence” in a relatively inhospitable yet “potentially fruitful recruiting ground”.

Outlining the process of recruitment for militancy, the cable describes how “families with multiple children” and “severe financial difficulties” were generally being exploited for recruitment purposes. Families first approached by “ostensibly ‘charitable’” organisations would later be introduced to a “local Deobandi or Ahl-i-Hadith maulana” who would offer to educate the children at his madrassah and “find them employment in the service of Islam”. “Martyrdom” was also “often discussed”, with a final cash payment to the parents. “Local sources claim that the current average rate is approximately Rs 500,000 (approximately USD 6,500) per son,” the cable states.

Children recruited would be given age-specific indoctrination and would eventually be trained according to the madrassah teachers’ assessment of their inclination “to engage in violence and acceptance of jihadi culture” versus their value as promoters of Deobandi or Ahl-i-Hadith sects or recruiters, the cable states.

Recruits “chosen for jihad” would then be taken to “more sophisticated indoctrination camps”. “Locals identified three centres reportedly used for this purpose”. Two of the centres were stated to be in the Bahawalpur district, whereas one was reported as situated “on the outskirts of Dera Ghazi Khan city”. These centres “were primarily used for indoctrination”, after which “youths were generally sent on to more established training camps in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and then on to jihad either in FATA, NWFP, or as suicide bombers in settled areas”.

The cable goes on to quote local officials criticising the PML-N-led provincial and the PPP-led federal governments for their “failure to act” against “extremist madrassas, or known prominent leaders such as Jaish-i-Mohammad’s Masood Azhar”. The Bahawalpur district nazim at the time told Hunt that despite repeatedly highlighting the threat posed by extremist groups and indoctrination centres to the provincial and federal governments, he had received “no support” in dealing with the issue unless he was ready to change his political loyalties. The nazim, who at the time was with the PML-Q, “blamed politics, stating that unless he was willing to switch parties…neither the Pakistan Muslim League – Nawaz provincial nor the Pakistan People’s Party federal governments would take his requests seriously”.

Cable referenced: WikiLeaks # 178082.
 

nasir ahmed

Voter (50+ posts)
ever one knows this the king of saudi king saud signed a deal with the us.

Roosevelt continued to court the government, however on February 14, 1945, he met with King Ibn Saud aboard the USS Quincy for over five hours, discussing topics such as the countries' security relationship and the creation of a Jewish country in the Mandate of Palestine.

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hans

Banned
Boss you are in a Depression cycle, don't worry this phase will go off in a few years.

Most of your accusations are based on Assumption.. Don't you agree..?????

Keep your feedback to what the original post is all about.
Do you understand what cyber Bully is? ... well you are one classic case.
My next advice would be, that you looks towards your Holy scriptures... which I am 100% sure you my Dear have never Read Holy Quran.

SO it might be your Holy Scriptures is not even Islamic. Or else you would have come across the following....

Qur'an [49:11]
O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after [one's] faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.


Qur'an [49:12]
O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful.


Noble Verses 10:85,16:90 and 4:135, Allah Almighty clearly says that He doesn't like the unjust and the oppressors.

Technically Mr GeoG ( one with the image of flying Cow) should I be brave enough to ask you .... are you a Muslim .. if so have you read Holy Quran?



Mole,
Taira Bajnay Wala Hai Tol

Apni Chamakti Dum Ab Israel Ja Kar Aur Charge Karwa Lay
Terex Tou Zillat Kay Full Honors Say Daffa Ho Gaya
Tou Kiya Uc Ka Bhi Record Toray Ga

Why don't you respond on Urder Posts, Parhni Nahi Aati Kiya,
Par Tum Tou Kehtay Thay Keh Tum Sunni Pakistani Ho
Acha Advance Main Hi India Ko Pakistan Keh Rahay Thay,
Kon Kon Sa Elaqa Day Diya, Dilli Tak Ya Uc Say Bhi Agay....
 

GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Boss you are in a Depression cycle, don't worry this phase will go off in a few years.

Most of your accusations are based on Assumption.. Don't you agree..?????

Keep your feedback to what the original post is all about.
Do you understand what cyber Bully is? ... well you are one classic case.
My next advice would be, that you looks towards your Holy scriptures... which I am 100% sure you my Dear have never Read Holy Quran.

SO it might be your Holy Scriptures is not even Islamic. Or else you would have come across the following....

Qur'an [49:11]
O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after [one's] faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.


Qur'an [49:12]
O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful.


Noble Verses 10:85,16:90 and 4:135, Allah Almighty clearly says that He doesn't like the unjust and the oppressors.

Technically Mr GeoG ( one with the image of flying Cow) should I be brave enough to ask you .... are you a Muslim .. if so have you read Holy Quran?

I don't need a license of my Muslimhood from a f... Jew
and Don't send me f... PM
 

Spartacus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Terrorist of PAKISTAN ! (MUST WATCH)

Those Naive Pakistani who still support Al-Qaida and Talban , should stop their support at once.

Those Naive Pakistani who still support Al-Qaida and Talban , should stop their support at once.

Those Naive Pakistani who still support Al-Qaida and Talban , should not blame India and America , for what Al-Qaida and Talban , is responsible , they should blame themself because they are supporting their very own enemy ( Al-Qaida and Talban ) .

1. We have to kill all Talban and Al-Qaida .

2. If ,those Naive Pakistani who still support Al-Qaida and Talban , should put in jail .

3. This is the time ....Now Or Never .......

4. Kill Talban and Al-Qaida and live in peace. ( Spartacus )

5. Kill Talban and Al-Qaida before they kill you . ( Spartacus )



Those Naive Pakistani who still support Al-Qaida and Talban , should stop their support at once.
 

Nice2MU

President (40k+ posts)
Re: Terrorist of PAKISTAN ! (MUST WATCH)

If this is true then why Fazl-e-Rehman was under attack twice two month ago....

This stupid American didn't mention the activities of Black Water and 7000 CIA operatives...
 

MYCOUNTRY

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Terrorist of PAKISTAN ! (MUST WATCH)

Those Naive Pakistani who still support Al-Qaida and Talban , should stop their support at once.

Those Naive Pakistani who still support Al-Qaida and Talban , should stop their support at once.

Those Naive Pakistani who still support Al-Qaida and Talban , should not blame India and America , for what Al-Qaida and Talban , is responsible , they should blame themself because they are supporting their very own enemy ( Al-Qaida and Talban ) .

1. We have to kill all Talban and Al-Qaida .

2. If ,those Naive Pakistani who still support Al-Qaida and Talban , should put in jail .

3. This is the time ....Now Or Never .......

4. Kill Talban and Al-Qaida and live in peace. ( Spartacus )

5. Kill Talban and Al-Qaida before they kill you . ( Spartacus )



Those Naive Pakistani who still support Al-Qaida and Talban , should stop their support at once.
If Taliban + Al Qaida are terrorist then on other hand USA + partners are also terrorist...........
Pls ask Musharf to come and handle them, why he is runinng far away safe from these terrorist ?
You and same like you so called moderate are dreaming the same but it is only dream to finish Taliban/Al-Qaida until USA is in this area..............................................
 
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