Saudi Arabia gives Israel clear skies to attack Iranian nuclear sites

hassam

MPA (400+ posts)
Although it may be true but we should practice caution when jumping to conlcusion on these kind of news. The western media knows that except for Pakistan/Iran none of the muslim countries have enough outreach in the world to comment on any news attributed to them. So they will keep spreading this kind of information so that muslims can be more and more divided. Saudis may be piece of shit but I strongly believe that they would think 10 times before giving Isreal a green signal. Seconldy, the distance between the state of Israel and Iran is not that formidable that would push Israel to ask Saudis for help. They actually can easily use Afghanistan for that purpose as NATO forces are already there. Israel has intercontinental ballistic missiles that can even reach Indonesia from the west bank. With all that it does not make sense to me why they will need help from Saudia. They can also easily use the airs of Iraq. Practically there is no government there and Iraq has a bone to pick with Iran any way. There is a bay between Saudia and Iran but there are practically no borders between Iran and Iraq.

Think again and be cautious. We should not become a victim of western propaganda machinery.
 
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Murshad Jee

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یہ سعودی عبد الوہاب نجدی کے پیروکار ہیں
جنہوں نے صحابہ کرام کے مزارات پر بلڈوزر چلا دئیے اور ان کے ایک کافر عالم نے معاذاللہ ثُمَہ معاذاللہ حضور سرور کائنات محمد صلی الله علیہ وسلم کی قبرمبارک کو شہید کرنے کا فتویٰ دیا -- استغفراللہ

ان بے غیرت وہابیوں سے رحم کی امید رکھنا بےکار ہے کیونکہ یہ تو امریکہ کے غلام ہیں اور عالم
اسلام کو بدنام کر رہے ہیں

Read this please.
 
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karachi

MPA (400+ posts)
Saudi Arabia denies flight deal against Iran

Riyadh dismisses as slanderous a report that Israel will be allowed to use its airspace to attack Iran
Dubai: Gulf states will not support any military action against Iran despite being wary about its nuclear programme, analysts said on Saturday.
"Saudi Arabia will not cooperate with Israel or any other country to attack Iran. We have always advocated a peaceful solution to the Iran crisis," Dr Abdul Aziz Hamad of King Saud University told Gulf News.
Saudi and US defence officials were quoted in a report in The Times as saying that Riyadh will allow Israeli jets to use its airspace if Tel Aviv decides to attack Iranian nuclear facilities.
"The Saudis have given their permission for the Israelis to pass over and they will look the other way," the London-based newspaper said, quoting a US defence source.
No support
"They have already done tests to make sure their own jets aren't scrambled and no one gets shot down. This has all been done with the agreement of the [US] State Department," the report said, quoting an unnamed Saudi official.
However, experts said although Gulf states continue to be concerned about Iran's designs, they would not support any military action against the Islamic republic.
Riad Kahwaji, General Director of the Dubai-based Institute for Near East and Gulf Military Analysis, said the "[Times] report, in my opinion, is part of the psychological warfare between Iran and the US, because there is no need for Saudi-Israeli cooperation to allow the Jewish state to attack Iran."
He said Israel has the capability to attack the four main nuclear targets. "Israel's Dolphin submarines are equipped with cruise missiles capable of hitting the nuclear facilities.
"Three Israeli submarines, which most probably will be used in any military confrontation, are now in the Gulf waters," Kahwaji said.
"In addition to its submarines, Israel has facilities to evade radars and it has refuelling capabilities to fly over the Red Sea," he added.
Dr Mohammad Al Naqbi, Head of the Gulf Negotiation Centre in Abu Dhabi, said there is no doubt that the situation in the Gulf is quite critical and Israel might take advantage of it. But this does not mean the GCC would support the attack or cooperate with Israel, he said.
"In addition to its sub-marines, Israel has facilities to evade radars and it has refuelling capabilities to fly over the Red Sea," he added

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudi-arabia-denies-flight-deal-against-iran-1.640398
 

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Do we Know?

Saudi Royal Family is a business partner of Zionists in the war industry (Arms Manufectring) of US. Please have a look at the documentaries exposing 9/11.
 

Lucky4u

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)

یہ سعودی عبد الوہاب نجدی کے پیروکار ہیں
جنہوں نے صحابہ کرام کے مزارات پر بلڈوزر چلا دئیے اور ان کے ایک کافر عالم نے معاذاللہ ثُمَہ معاذاللہ حضور سرور کائنات محمد صلی الله علیہ وسلم کی قبرمبارک کو شہید کرنے کا فتویٰ دیا -- استغفراللہ

ان بے غیرت وہابیوں سے رحم کی امید رکھنا بےکار ہے کیونکہ یہ تو امریکہ کے غلام ہیں اور عالم
اسلام کو بدنام کر رہے ہیں

Read this please.

I don't think it is a good response my friend!!! If Saudi king is doing something wrong how could you curse the whole sect????
and differing with someone by abusing is not a response at all..............
What about us?? What have we done to Afghanistan and FATA and are still doing???? We are still allowing US to carry on their Drone attacks in FATA causing hundreds of innocent people. Can someone use the same words for us and our Army too???
-Peace
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
  • Published 06:24 12.06.10
  • Latest update 06:24 12.06.10
Saudi Arabia: We will not give Israel air corridor for Iran strike

Prince Mohammed bin Nawaf refutes Times of London report saying Saudi Arabia practiced standing down its anti-aircraft systems to allow an Israeli bomb run.

By Haaretz Service Tags: Israel news Iran nuclear Saudi Arabia

Saudi Arabia would not allow Israeli bombers to pass through its airspace en route to a possible strike of Iran's nuclear facilities, a member of the Saudi royal family said Saturday, denying an earlier Times of London report.
Earlier Saturday, the Times reported that Saudi Arabia has practiced standing down its anti-aircraft systems to allow Israeli warplanes passage on their way to attack Iran's nuclear installations, adding that the Saudis have allocated a narrow corridor of airspace in the north of the country.
Prince Mohammed bin Nawaf, the Saudi envoy to the U.K. speaking to the London-based Arab daily Asharq al-Awsat, denied that report, saying such a move "would be against the policy adopted and followed by the Kingdom."
According to Asharq al-Awsat report, bin Nawaf reiterated the Saudi Arabia's rejection of any violation of its territories or airspace, adding that it would be "illogical to allow the Israeli occupying force, with whom Saudi Arabia has no relations whatsoever, to use its land and airspace."
Earlier, the Times quoted an unnamed U.S. defense source as saying that "the Saudis have given their permission for the Israelis to pass over and they will look the other way.
"They have already done tests to make sure their own jets aren’t scrambled and no one gets shot down. This has all been done with the agreement of the [U.S.] State Department."

Once the Israelis had passed, the kingdom’s air defenses would return to full alert, the Times said.

Despite tensions between them, Israel and Saudi Arabia share a mutual hostility to Iran.
"We all know this. We will let them [the Israelis] through and see nothing,” the Times quoted a Saudi government source as saying.
According to the report, the four main targets for an Israeli raid on Iran would be uranium enrichment facilities at Natanz and Qom, a gas storage development at Isfahan and a heavy-water reactor at Arak.
Secondary targets may include a Russian-built light water reactor at Bushehr, which could produce weapons-grade plutonium when complete.

Even with midair refueling, the targets would be as the far edge of Israeli bombers' range at a distance of some 2,250km. An attack would likely involve several waves of aircraft, possibly crossing Jordan, northern Saudi Arabia and Iraq.
Aircraft attacking Bushehr, on the Gulf coast, could swing beneath Kuwait to strike from the southwest, the Times said.
Passing over Iraq would require at least tacit consent to the raid from the United States, whose troops are occupying the country. So far, the Obama Administration has refused this.
On Wednesday the United Nations passed a fourth round of sanctions against Iran in an attempt to force it to stop enriching uranium. But immediately after the UN vote, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad vowed the nuclear program would continue.
Israel hailed the vote – but said sanctions were not enough and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has refused to rule out a raid.
Netanyahu's predecessor, Ehud Olmert, is believed to have held secret meetings with high-ranking Saudi officials over Iran.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...-israel-air-corridor-for-iran-strike-1.295672
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
July 5, 2009

The Coming Israeli Airstrike on Iran?

It's quite possible that within the next few months Israel will strike Iran by air. First this from today's Jersualem Post
On the day that US Vice President Joe Biden seemed to give Israel a green light for military action to eliminate Iran's nuclear threat, The Jerusalem Post learned that the IAF plans to participate in aerial exercises in the US and Europe in the coming months with the aim of training its pilots for long-range flights.​
And this also today from the Sunday Times of London
The head of Mossad, Israel's overseas intelligence service, has assured Benjamin Netanyahu, its prime minister, that Saudi Arabia would turn a blind eye to Israeli jets flying over the kingdom during any future raid on Iran's nuclear sites.​
We've seen many other tell-tale signs as well. In June of last year the New York Times reported that
Israel carried out a major military exercise earlier this month that American officials say appeared to be a rehearsal for a potential bombing attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.​
Just last April the Sunday Times again reported that an Israeli attack on a military convoy in Sudan was practice for a long-range attack. A quick look at a map shows why:

Israel_To_Iran.jpg

In short, Israel will need to overfly someone in order to hit Iran. Syria is out of the question, though Turkey remains a good possibility. It is well known that for years Israel has cultivated relations with Turkey, and the two hae engaged in military maneuvers together. But if that doesn't pan out, going through Saudi Arabia would be the next best bet.
Israel doesn't have heavy bombers like the B-52, B-1, or B-2. They rely on F-15s and F-16s. They do have a decent tanker capability, but the range of these fighters is severely restricted when carrying heavy ordinance. I haven't done the calculations, but flying down the Red Sea, through the Arabian Sea, and up to Iran would seem prohibitively far.
Can They Do It?
Israel will get one shot at Iran. The sad fact is that much of the world will go ape after just one strike, and I can't see Saudi Arabia or Turkey allowing Israeli planes through more than one time.
As alluded to above, the capabilities of the AIF are limited. I've seen reports both ways on whether we've allowed them to buy our largest bunker busters, but I think it's really beside the point. The Israelis simply don't have enough aircraft, and the Iranian facilities are at this point too advanced and dispersed for them to be able to effectively do the job.
So Israel will set Iran back a few years but that's it. Note that I'm doing this without benefit of the research I'd usually do but just don't have time. That said, I think I've got it pretty much right.
Only the U.S. can hit Iran and do it right. It would take all of our airpower, and a campaign of two to three weeks, but if we kept at it and were willing to do it periodically we could keep them from getting the bomb.
Should They Do It?
I've written about what I think we should do with regards to Iran at some length, but the short version is that these past several years we should have been working towards regime change rather than counting on the EU-3 (Britain, France, and Germany) to negotiate Iran out of their nuclear program.
Military strikes on Iran would be messy, with the ramifications spreading far and wide. Iran could cause a lot of trouble using asymmetric war capabilities, some of which can somewhat anticipate (instability in Iraq, terrorism), but also in ways that will catch us by surprise.
But we also need to understand that worse than strikes on Iran would be Iran with a nuclear bomb.
The best case scenario for a nuclear Iran is that neither they nor anyone else int he neighborhood, but everyone else in the region goes nuclear. Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Egyptian bombs are a given. Syria and Jordan will be tempted. Either way, you have barely-stable governments staring one another down, and since missile flight times will be only a few minutes, reaction time will be nil, leading to the strong possibility of accidental war. This is to say nothing of the possibility of the sale of nuclear know-how, theft of nuclear bombs/material/plans, and the temptation for jihadist movements such as the Muslim Brotherhood to take control of one or more of these new nuclear powers.
Worse scenarios include nuclear exchanges. 'Nuff said there.
Either way, worse than a strike on Iran is a nuclear Iran.
I don't think we're ready for a strike on Iran yet, but time is running short and we're almost there. It's just possible that Iran might undergo internal changes, though in the past few days that hope is receding. Obama has shown no signs of having any idea what to do other than a mindless attempt at direct talks.
In the end if there has to be a strike as the only way to stop them from getting the bomb the U.S. should do it. Only we can do it right, and Iran is as much our problem as it is anyone else's
We're not there yet, but we're awfully close.

Tuesday Update
Once again it looks like Biden may have run on at the mouth, er, misspoke:
The US has "absolutely not" given Israel a green light for a possible attack on Iran's nuclear facilities, US President Barack Obama said Tuesday. Obama was qualifying comments Vice President Joe Biden had made Sunday that left the impression the US would not stand in the way of an Israeli action.
"We have said directly to the Israelis that it is important to try and resolve this in an international setting in a way that does not create major conflict in the Middle East," said Obama, currently in Russia, during a CNN interview.

http://theredhunter.com/2009/07/the_coming_israeli_airstrike_on_iran.php


 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Salam
Brothers & sisters. please dont jump to conclusions so early. Dont u remember that Dajjal is master of deception. So always do research then say something.
I am not expert on this middle east issue. But point is if u want to blame saudia for this then Pakistan will be first in the line to b blamed for anti muslim military compaigns. Forgive me on this. Do any one know who fired bullets in HARAM MAKKAH holy place when there was some militants inside.. Also who attacked poor palestinians in September 1970 "BLACK SEPTEMBER".. What happened to afghanistan, who gave air space to USA & allied forces.. WHO is kidnapping & disappearing citizens of pakistan to foreign countries, LAL MASJID issue, using PHOSPHORUS CHEMICAL BOMB.. List can go on & i dont want to scratch these wounds. All muslim militaries are some how or other controlled by zionist forces. They gain their power from hidden investments from these zionist.. Try to get broader view.. I dont know after writting this many will dislike my point of view.. But we have to face the truth.. If u have more heavy point of view with proof i will accept it & change my mind..
If u can read my posted article of July 2009, u can get idea what is the big plan of new world order & greater israel. When muslims are forcing their govt to unite for the cause of Palestinians (flotilla accident) then this news arises.. Cant u open your eyes..
Now again problem in Kyrgystan, Pakistan sectarian violence rising, they want us to be divided.. I even have read on this forum that some one was saying that only SHIA military wings are fighting occupations sunnis have agreed or surrendered. What is this ???
I can explain this also, but it will ignite sectarian issues on this forum which i dont want to start..
Also i was watching one forum about the attack on qadiyani prayer building & the response of one the qadiyani that for palestinian cause the Pakistani ambassador to UN was a qadiyani. He was explaining that he (ambassador to UN) expressed mirza ghulam teachings in the UN on behalf of pakistan, all the arab & muslim countries applauded his speech. What is this???
I have even seen videos of killed qadiyani soldiers (major) rcving military award bisalat from pak army. His relatives were praising ahmadiyya jamaat on his funeral. What is this.?? why they are in pakistan army, did they declared that they are qadiyanis.. How many more are in service & what higher posts in pakistan armed forces. ?? How much they are involved in decision making of pakistan future, militarily & politically..??
Still here many of my brothers & sisters will disagree on my point. But this is truth..
I have tried to explain my point of view & most of the hidden players in big game coming soon.. Dont blame all, try to see who is doing & who is involved..
I ask forgiveness of ALLAH (ALMIGHTY) & then ask forgiveness from all of you, if i have hurt some one..
WALLAH ALAM..
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Six Days That Changed Everything!
June 8, 2010
You can also view this article at Rense
Today marks the forty-third anniversary of the 1967, six day war that changed the military and political world forever. The history of events that transpired during that war literally upended the global power structure that had been operative until that point. This article will attempt to clarify the treasons committed by Lyndon Johnson and his administration when he became a traitor to this country that he was supposedly leading during the six-day war.
To understand Johnsons actions it is necessary to go back to JFKs final days, in 1962 before his assassination, when he was dealing with Israels Ambassador to the US. Kennedy had summoned the Ambassador to a small White House office with only RFK in attendance.
The public might remember that during the Watergate hearings the fact that JFK had installed the now infamous taping-system that gave the world the Watergate tapes. Because of the existence of those clandestine tapes much of what took place at this meeting between these men could be known. The topic of this particular clandestine meeting was Kennedys determination to inspect the nuclear facilities of Israel, at Dimona, for evidence of Israels development of offensive nuclear weapons. (the inspection under discussion never took place but the death of JFK is a matter of historical record).
JFK: Nowthe problem of your governments nuclear weapons site at Dimona is of great concern. I have told you many times now that I want our American inspectors to be allowed in regularly so we can find out
AMBASSADOR: No! Israel is a sovereign nation! A nation at war! Have you forgotten that your inspectors were allowed inside Dimona in May of last year? For an entire day, I would remind you! No further American inspections will be allowed at Dimona, Mr. President, and that is final!
JFK: There is no war now! If you dont want Americans, we can approach a neutral nation to send inspectors! I insist that the Dimona Nuclear Site be opened to scheduled, outside inspection!
AMBASSADOR: With respect, Sir, you do not understand! Israel is ALWAYS at war! No foreigners will EVER be allowed to see the workings of Dimona Nuclear Site on some schedule they might demand!
RFK: Sir, the president has authorized me to advise you that he will seek to cut off American aid for Israel until our inspectors have been allowed in at Dimona. We know you are producing offensive nuclear weapons there!
AMBASSADOR: That that is not a good decision, Sir! It may cost your brother-- dearly! Israel's enemiesall of them-- will be crushed!
It is against this background that one must begin to evaluate what happened during the six day war throughout the Middle-East.
When the six day war began Israels coastal waters were the same as every other nation twelve miles from their coast. As Israels war grew to include Israels attack upon Egypt; Israel unilaterally declared a one-hundred mile stretch of the Mediterranean as Israeli territorial waters in which they could attack anything they wished to, because they were at war. The United States ship the USS Liberty, a spy ship, was sailing on station inside that exclusion zone and yet the US government did not advise the Liberty of Israels unilateral decision to destroy anything, not Israeli, that was operating in those waters. The consensus was that Israel and the US were allies; so the Liberty would not be in danger.
What was unknown to the US at the time was that Israel had targeted the Liberty precisely because her sophisticated listening devices were monitoring everything that Israel was doing in the war; and that Israel did not consider that she had any allies; that everyone was her enemy and anyone that might be able to prove that fact would need to be destroyed. So the fate of the USS Liberty had to be sunk, with all hands so that there would be no evidence of the actual Israeli treachery involved. The sinking of the Liberty was to have been blamed on the Egyptians in order to get America to attack Egypt and thus give Israel that which she was unable to get for herself: A total military victory over Egypt.
Again the history is important. It seems that LBJ and Mossad had a working relationship while Johnson was Vice-President and money had changed hands. This was the Israeli-Ace-in-the-hole, so that when the time came Israel demanded payment for their help with Johnsons problems that were magically solved by JFKs murder. To this end a Mossad agent summoned Johnson to a secret meeting-room beneath the White House.
JOHNSON: You wanted to meet? Why?
MOSSAD AGENT: The time has come, Mr. President, a time of great dangera time upon which the hinge of history will turna time of great sacrificefor everyone, I mean
JOHNSON: Say it!
MOSSAD AGENT: Very well. We have destroyed the Egyptian and Syrian Air Forces and we occupy the Sinai. Our army is poised on the east bank of the Suez Canal! We are still not sure how many weapons and men the Egyptians have in reservepossibly enough to maul or even repel our forces in a stand-up fight. We cannot be certainWe want your Navy and Air Force to attack the Egyptians so there will be no
JOHNSON: God-dammit, why? We have no argument with those sand niggers!
MOSSAD AGENT: There is also the matter of your ship, the spy ship off our coastlistening to our communications...the LIBERTY...
JOHNSON: Shit! Listen, mother****er, everybody in the fckin world has those ships! Were not gonna stop you! Do what the **** you think you have to do. I told you, we have no argument with any god-damn rag-heads right now!
[Every major nation has these spy ships this is very similar to attacking other nations embassies. It is not permissible to attack other nations spies, because that would invite the same response to ones own spy-ships, so Its just not something that other nations do to each other Israel in this case felt justified because they are ISRAEL, and they are always at War everywhere in the world.]
MOSSAD AGENT: If that ship wereattacked, ahhh we feel that a response should, ahhhh would be forthcoming from the United States
I meanthat your forces could, let us saycontain the Egyptians, while we go about the business of ...ahhh expanding our nations territory. We want the Golan, the Sinai, the West Bank, Jerusalem mmmm, forthe future and national security of the Jewish people, of course, and
JOHNSON: Them fckin' Egyptians know better than to attack us! We'd destroy them!

MOSSAD AGENT: We will do the attacking, Mr. President. It is only one ship a very small ship and not well armed at that, as you know. We have photos It would only take a few minutes, we feel not long, really. After we sink her, you could go on televisionsay it was the Egyptians... Your Navy and Air Force could hold them at bay if you strike rapidly at their rear and bomb Cairo when we start our advance across the CanalThey have no planes left to fly It is for Israel! Of course...there will be no survivors to... tell a different story...we will see to that...
JOHNSON: What the ****! What are you saying, you cocksucker! You crazy bastard! Ill kick your ass myself, by God! Right here and now! Bomb Cairo? **** you!
MOSSAD AGENT: You owe us, Mr. President! You owe us everything! Everythingthe White House, the presidencyeverything. I said everything! I am here to collect ! Now, NOW is the time to pay! Remember, we control your corporate media...
JOHNSON: Alright. But as God is my witness, there can be no survivors! You understand? Ill deny it all if anyone is left alive to talk! You understand me?
MOSSAD AGENT: Of course, Mr. President. Certainly I, that is --we... understand. We will make it brief and as... painless... as possible. There will be no survivors. We will see to it!
JOHNSON: Get out! Get the **** out of here! Now!
And it was this critical series of facts concerning the factual-culpability of LBJ that led directly to the attack upon the USS Liberty and to the deaths and injuries suffered in that attack 43 years ago today. (1)
However Israel despite all of its oversized hatreds and military deceptions was unable to sink the USS Liberty which led directly to the US military failures created by Johnson and the then Secretary of Defense McNamara that should have resulted in the impeachment of Johnson and the prosecution of everyone involved in forciong the recall of the Navy fighters that had been sent to rescue the men of the embattled and unarmed USS Liberty. Heres how that went down.
SIGNALMAN: Schematic (Sixth Fleet) this is Rockstar (USS Liberty). We are being attacked by aircraft. I just saw one with Israeli markings. Help us! Do you read? Help us!
SARATOGA SIGNALMAN: Rockstar, this is Schematic. I dont read you clearly. Repeat your message
LIBERTY SIGNALMAN: Repeat. We are under attack by aircraft, some showing the Star of David! We need help!
SARATOGA SIGNALMAN: Rockstar, I read you. Authenticate. Repeat, authenticate.
LIBERTY SIGNALMAN: Authenticate? Shit! Shit!
Oscar Quebec! Oscar Quebec, SARATOGA! Oscar Quebec, for Christ's sake! You read me?
SARATOGA SIGNALMAN: I read you, Rockstar. You are under attack! I will stand by for further traffic.
...SARATOGA SIGNALMAN: Take this to the bridge! Now!
And later on. . . LIBERTY SIGNALMAN: Schematic, we are still under strong attack by aircraft. We need help!
SARATOGA SIGNALMAN: Rockstar, your message has been relayed.
SARATOGA SIGNALMAN: Authenticate
LIBERTY SIGNALMAN: (kicking open the doorway to let in the sounds of the attack Liberty says) Authenticate this, you jackass!
The SARATOGA SIGNALMAN listens to his receiver, amazed at the loud series of thudding sounds and fierce explosions coming over the airwaves as the latest attack unfolds. At last, he is chastened.)
SARATOGA SIGNALMAN: Yes Rockstar, authentication accepted.
On the USS Saratoga the Admiral at 2:20 pm issues orders:
Scramble the duty squadron! We have a ship under attack! and then reports his actions to DOD.
ADMIRAL: Phantoms launched, DOD COMMAND. Responding to air attack on USS LIBERTY!
McNamara, inside DOD answers almost immediately. SARATOGA! DOD Command to USS SARATOGA! Come in!
This is the USS SARATOGA!
(At 2:26 pm) This is DEFENSE SECRETARY Mc NAMARA! Recall all planes! Bring them back at once. Do you read me?
ADMIRAL: But Mr. SECRETARY, one of our ships has been attacked! They say theyre afire and have dead and wounded!
McNAMARA: What do you plan to do?
ADMIRAL: We're going to find out who is attacking our ship, Sir. Then we'll...
McNAMARA: By God, you bring those planes back now! Do you hear me?
ADMIRAL: Roger!
After Israeli torpedo boats have attacked the Liberty and hit it with one torpedo, Israeli helicopters with troops on-board begin to circle the dying US ship.
SIGNALMAN to SARATOGA: Help!
Helicopters circling with possible boarding crews! Are you gonna help us or not? Where the **** you at?
On the Saratoga at 3:45 pm
ADMIRAL: Launch a squadron!
Tell the AMERICA I want a squadron launched. Send them to the last known position of the LIBERTY!
SAILOR: Yes Sir!
ADMIRAL: DOD COMMAND. This is SARATOGA. Do you copy
MCNAMARA: Come in, SARATOGA!
ADMIRAL: We have launched a second squadron and I have ordered the USS AMERICA to launch a squadron. Our planes will provide air cover above the USS LIBERTY, the ship under attack. Our men report seeing Israeli markings on both the boats and planes firing at them
McNAMARA: God-dammit, NO! YOU WILL ORDER ALL AIRCRAFT BACK TO BASE! SOME OF THEM MAY BE ARMED WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS! DO YOU READ ME! ANSWER! (Johnson was present with McNamara)
ADMIRAL: Mr. SECRETARY, we are in a battle zone! We have a US vessel attacked and burning with many wounded aboard. I think it might have been the Israelis! Do you read me?
JOHNSON: ADMIRAL, this is the president. Do you recognize my voice?
ADMIRAL: Yes, Sir.
JOHNSON: This can all be explained. It is...ahhhh...a tragic mistake. Bring all of your planes back to base. I will not embarrass an ally! Do you read me, ADMIRAL?
ADMIRAL: Yes Sir.
JOHNSON: Very well. Help the wounded as best you can.
ADMIRAL: (to a sailor on deck) Call all planes back here.
This treason and its cover-up by a sitting president is what Americans were not allowed to know about for the last 43 years.
However the whole story of the Liberty was also integral in the power shift which the six-day war created based upon Israels understanding of the failure of American arms in both Korea and in Vietnam, which Israel took to mean that the USA was finished as a leader in the world. So using deception and blackmail Israel decided to take over from the US and keep us hobbled through corruption and the cowardice of our leaders that has led the world directly to the events of the last week when Israel decided again to kill people blatantly and viciously, with US collaboration, for their actions even before they boarded any of the ships in the Freedom Flotilla. (2)
I began my career in political commentary with an attempted unpublished expose on the Johnson administration (long before the internet), but if I had had any real knowledge of what that war-criminal and thoroughly corrupt politician had been up to then, I think perhaps an entirely different outcome might have taken place then instead of now. (3)
However given the fact that most of America seems to have taken up permanent residence beneath some very heavy rocks of ignorance in order to hide from the truth of what has been happening at least throughout the first ten years of this new millenniumit would seem unlikely that even small bits of the raw proof against this traitor and collaborator with our enemies, who was a president at the time, might not be enough to cause any real change in the attitudes of the public here.
I dont really expect this to change anything substantiallyI just want the willfully ignorant to know exactly what it is that they have been ignoring for the last forty-three consecutive years!
Happy Anniversary Amerika!
http://www.kirwanesque.com/politics/articles/2010/art66.htm#(1)
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Salam
Paul Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939, in Atlanta, Georgia) is an economist and a nationally syndicated columnist for Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as a co-founder of Reaganomics."[1] He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service. Roberts has been a critic of both Democratic and Republican administrations.
He has written or co-written eight books, contributed chapters to numerous books and has published many articles in journals of scholarship. He has testified before congressional committees on 30 occasions on issues of economic policy. His writings frequently appear on OpEdNews, Antiwar.com, VDARE.com. Lew Rockwell's web site, CounterPunch, and the American Free Press. Roberts has been featured as a guest on the Political Cesspool radio show.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
یہ سعودی عبد الوہاب نجدی کے پیروکار ہیں
پاکستانی" روشن خیالوں" نے بھی امریکا کی غلامی میں افغانستان کے خلاف اتحادی فوج کی مدد کی، اس کے بارے میں کیا خیال ہے.
 

kashnex

Councller (250+ posts)
this is an absolute disgrace. give the israelis another chance to bomb another country to pieces, may be after iran, they'll want to target saudi arabia too.

There is no second opinion on this as after curtailing "so called threat" from Iran, their eyes would set to Saudi Arabia. The most powerful notion might be the sacred places viz Makkah and Madina as we have heard these roars before. Do you remember one American Senator asking to bomb Makkah and Midna under the label of places for terror. What a bullshit the Saudi Government is going to put by letting Israelis to attack Iran. They shouldn't forget next would be their turn. These hands must be stopped before it's to late. The Saudis must open their eyes and realize the situation.
 

kashnex

Councller (250+ posts)
I don't think it is a good response my friend!!! If Saudi king is doing something wrong how could you curse the whole sect????
and differing with someone by abusing is not a response at all..............
What about us?? What have we done to Afghanistan and FATA and are still doing???? We are still allowing US to carry on their Drone attacks in FATA causing hundreds of innocent people. Can someone use the same words for us and our Army too???
-Peace

I would be rather skeptical of you point in saying that, "If Saudi king is doing something wrong how could you curse the whole sect????"
So I would be fair in asking you (if you support the Saudi government which I suspect you do) they why all Muslims in general and all Pakistani in particular are herd with one stick by labeling them as terrorists. As much to he heinous acts of terrorism and barbarism is conduct either by one man or America by itself.
 

Lucky4u

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
I would be rather skeptical of you point in saying that, "If Saudi king is doing something wrong how could you curse the whole sect????"
So I would be fair in asking you (if you support the Saudi government which I suspect you do) they why all Muslims in general and all Pakistani in particular are herd with one stick by labeling them as terrorists. As much to he heinous acts of terrorism and barbarism is conduct either by one man or America by itself.

My Dear,
Trust me I am one of the biggest critics of Saudi government. In my opinion (Which may not be so important :) ), Saudi government, its King and all the Princes are American puppets and nothing more. But I can't blame their whole nation or sect just because they are not good...... and if they are treating us the same it doesn't mean that we should also do that..... Two wrong doesn't make right..... I hope I made my position clear.
-Peace
 

LeftBrain

MPA (400+ posts)
Saudi Arab ne SHAREEF brothers ko panah di, wo Shareef brothers or PML N ke saath tha
or ab Saudi Arab Israel ke ssath hey

Smell some thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
M

Murshad Jee

Guest
I don't think it is a good response my friend!!! If Saudi king is doing something wrong how could you curse the whole sect????
and differing with someone by abusing is not a response at all..............
What about us?? What have we done to Afghanistan and FATA and are still doing???? We are still allowing US to carry on their Drone attacks in FATA causing hundreds of innocent people. Can someone use the same words for us and our Army too???
-Peace

I know brother that, its not a good response. This fitnah (Wahabism) started from Saudi Arabia with the help of British. These British only want to destroy ideology of Muslims and our love for Prophet Muhammed pbuh

These Wahabies loved to issue fatwas for every act we do as Ahl-e-Sunnah wal Jamat in the love of Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed pbuh according to their (British) wishes, because they want to wipe the love of Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed pbuh from our hearts.

As Allam Iqbal said:


لا کر برہمنوں کو سیاست کے پیچ میں

زناریوں کو دیر کہن سے نکال دو

وہ فاقہ کش کہ موت سے ڈرتا نہیں ذرا

روح محمد اس کے بدن سے نکال دو

فکر عرب کو دے کے فرنگی تخیلات

اسلام کو حجاز و یمن سے نکال دو

افغانیوں کی غیرت دیں کا ہے یہ علاج

ملا کو ان کے کوہ و دمن سے نکال دو

اہل حرم سے ان کی روایات چھین لو

آہو کو مرغزار ختن سے نکال دو

اقبال کے نفس سے ہے لالے کی آگ تیز

ایسے غزل سرا کو چمن سے نکال دو

These Wahabies doing the same thing what super powers wants. If we put the name of our Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed pbuh in the mosque they start issuing fatwa that this is shirk, if we visit Mizaraat they issue fatwa that this is shirk because our spiritual contact is with Sufiyaey kiraam who were mad in the love of Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed pbuh

Now have a look here Advertising on Ghulaf-e-Ka'abah:

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But if Sunni do something like that (Print the name of Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed pbuh ) ......... then we will be called Kafir-o-Mushrik.

Brothers and Sisters, Please open your eyes.
 

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