Sachin most accomplished WC player: Imran

IndiaGuy

Senator (1k+ posts)
New Delhi: Legendary Pakistani fast bowler Imran Khan on Tuesday refused to compare Sachin Tendulkar with Don Bradman but said the Indian maestro was the "most accomplished player in the World Cup".
Imran declined to compare Tendulkar with Bradman as he had not seen the Australian playing.

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"Sachin is the most accomplished player in the World Cup.
He should open Indian innings and with Virender Sehwag. They can give solid start to the team which will be difficult for other teams to match," Imran said.
He said Mahendra Singh Dhoni's squad is the best ever Indian World Cup side and it has the most formidable batting line-up among the teams participating in this edition starting in the sub-continent on Saturday.
"I played the first World Cup in 1975 and have been following it since then. According to me this is the best ever Indian side playing in a World Cup," said Pakistan's 1992 World Cup-winning captain.
"This is the best batting line-up in the world. You have Sachin, Sehwag, MS Dhoni, Yusuf Pathan and the batting depth will play a crucial role," he told IBN7.
He predicted that Harbhajan Singh will be the key bowler for India given the conditions, and if he were the captain he would have asked the off-spinner to play the attacking bowler's role.
Asked about the Indian pace battery, the former all-rounder said, "When I saw Ishant Sharma bowling initially, I felt that at last India has got a genuine pace bowler who can run through any batting order. But two years since then when I saw him, I could see flaw in his bowling action."
 

Baba jee

Councller (250+ posts)
Well Said Imran Khan (clap) No Match of Sachin Tundulker!:banana:
I watched Javed Miandad but there is no match of Tundulker!
 

Spartacus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Because of home pressure ,Sachin will not make a single 100 in this world cup although Sachin is most accomplished WC player. ( Spartacus )
 

Jack Sparrow

Minister (2k+ posts)
I could be the most accomplished batsman of the world ..... if .... I used bat for cricket instead of beating boys back street with my bat in childhood.
 

kashipk

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Imran Khan is right. Tendulkar is a great player. he made so many records so we all know about sachin. we love sports and we dont bring sports in politics like IPL. Imran Khan Zindabaad.
 

Bret Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
Although Imran bhai is an iconic authority in the affairs of cricket and know very well the nuances and subtleties of this great game and its associated players but I beg to disagree with him on this issue of claiming Tendulkar as the most accomplished batsman of this world cup. S.R. Tendulkar to me is no doubt a modern day great prodigy but to confer him with the prestigious title of all time great and comparing him with the likes of Don Bradman and other rare breed of gigantic batsmen I think is a foolish attempt to get swayed with the emotional & misleading projection of influential Indian media.

In recent few weeks a major cricketing website on the World Wide Web, which is also heavily influenced by the Indian editors and writers, has conducted a short statistical review of all the previous nine editions of world cup in order to establish the best batsman of these premier championships of cricket in terms of their averages and performances against the “good competitive” sides.

According to that brief analysis The King Vivian Richards is far more superior than Tendulkar, and needless to mention about his other rival batsmen as well in this equation, when it comes to the net aggregate runs and batting average against the serious oppositions excluding the perennial weaker teams (Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and other associate members of the ICC for instance) of the previous nine world championships.

Further to extrapolate this analysis of that biased cricket website raises these primary points of facts in relation to the supposed greatness of Tendulkar or some of his other contemporary batters in modern era;

  • What is the total average of runs of the supposed batting greats like Tendulkar against their equally formidable contemporary bowling opponents like for instance Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne, Allan Donald, Fanie de Villers, Courtney Walsh, Curtly Ambrose, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis and Muttiah Muralitharan so far as compare to the other bowlers (Who can simply termed as cannon fodder in the elusive battle of batsmen and bowlers in cricketing field)?
  • Do the dead and placid batting stripes around the world, which have sprung up for many years now, have provided any assistance to the overall batting records and performances of contemporary batsmen of modern age?
  • After the retirement of giant pacers of almost every test playing nation who are the supposed, in bowling department, opponents of these so called batting giants of modern age, the pygmies or just ordinary bunch of working-horses?
  • Does the current rules of modern cricket, especially in limited overs international cricket, such as power-plays, reduced boundary sizes of grounds, strict wide, no-ball and bouncer rules are not skewed in favour of batsmen instead of bowling line-ups?
  • The freebies in the shape of byes, leg-byes and free hits (In case of a no ball) including the covering of cricket pitches once again favour which department of the game?
  • How many of their batting efforts have actually resulted substantially in the wins of their respective teams or what are their overall performances in crunch and difficult match conditions?
I will leave the above mentioned points / questions for intelligent and cogent fans of cricket of this board to guess and to decide conclusively in the light of objective rationale before labelling erroneously Tendulkar and any other of his contemporary “great batsmen” with the tags of immortal, the all time best, the master blaster etc.
 
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awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Although Imran bhai is an iconic authority in the affairs of cricket and know very well the nuances and subtleties of this great game and its associated players but I beg to disagree with him on this issue of claiming Tendulkar as the most accomplished batsman of this world cup. S.R. Tendulkar to me is no doubt a modern day great prodigy but to confer him with the prestigious title of all time great and comparing him with the likes of Don Bradman and other I think is a foolish attempt to get swayed with the emotional & misleading projection of influential Indian media.

In recent few weeks a major cricketing website on the World Wide Web, which is also heavily influenced by the Indian editors and writers, has conducted a short statistical review of all the previous nine editions of world cup in order to establish the best batsman of these premier championships of cricket in terms of their averages and performances against the “good competitive” sides.

According to that brief analysis The King Vivian Richards is far more superior than Tendulkar, and needless to mention about his other rival batsmen as well in this equation, when it comes to the net aggregate runs and batting average against the serious oppositions excluding the perennial weaker teams (Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and other associate members of the ICC for instance) of the previous nine world championships.

Further to extrapolate this analysis of that biased cricket website raises these primary points of facts in relation to the supposed greatness of Tendulkar or some of his other contemporary batters in modern era;

  • What is the total average of runs of the supposed batting greats like Tendulkar against their equally formidable contemporary bowling opponents like for instance Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne, Allan Donald, Fanie de Villers, Courtney Walsh, Curtly Ambrose, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis and Muttiah Muralitharan so far as compare to other bowlers (Who can simply termed as cannon fodder in the elusive battle of batsmen and bowlers)?
  • The dead and placid batting stripes around the world which now have sprung up for many years now has provided any assistance to their overall batting records and performances?
  • After the retirement of giant pacers of almost every test playing nation who are the supposed opponents of these so called batting giants of modern age the pygmies or just ordinary bunch of working-horses?
  • Does the current rules of modern cricket, especially in limited overs international cricket, such as power-plays, reduced boundary sizes of grounds, strict wide, no-ball and bouncer rules are not skewed in favour of batsmen instead of bowling line-ups?
  • The freebies in the shape of byes, leg-byes and free hits (In case of a no ball) including the covering of cricket pitches once again favour which department of the game?
  • How many of their batting efforts have actually resulted substantially in the wins of their respective teams or what are their overall performances in crunch and difficult match conditions?

I will leave the above mentioned points / questions for intelligent and cogent fans of cricket of this board to guess and to decide conclusively in the light of objective rationale before labelling erroneously Tendulkar and any other of his contemporary “great batsmen” with the tags of immortal, the all time best, the master blaster etc.

I dont know why we have such a big issue with accepting Sachin Tendulkar as the greatest batsman alive today. His records speak for the man. It is easy to come out with stats that try to show his scoring capabilities against minor teams etc. but remember all these minor teams are not just playing India, that are playing all the other nations. So why hasnt anyone else been as mercurial as Sachin in scoring at the same rate and for such a consistently long time?
Maybe Don Bradman was better, I have never seen him play so I dont know but why do people forget to incorporate the amount of cricket that is being today as compared to back in Bradmans day. Just staying fit is an uphill task for todays players and to see Sachin staying fit and continuing to score the same way as young players is in itself a big feat.
Apart from that I have immense respect for the man as a human being. He enjoys the stature of a ultra-mega star in India, the likes of which no one has seen before and yet he is humble beyond belief. No scandals, no tantrums no leg pulling within the team over captaincy, just speak volumes for the man.

I think he is the complete cricketer. Someone every cricketer should aspire to be.
 

Bret Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
I dont know why we have such a big issue with accepting Sachin Tendulkar as the greatest batsman alive today. His records speak for the man. It is easy to come out with stats that try to show his scoring capabilities against minor teams etc. but remember all these minor teams are not just playing India, that are playing all the other nations. So why hasnt anyone else been as mercurial as Sachin in scoring at the same rate and for such a consistently long time?
Maybe Don Bradman was better, I have never seen him play so I dont know but why do people forget to incorporate the amount of cricket that is being today as compared to back in Bradmans day. Just staying fit is an uphill task for todays players and to see Sachin staying fit and continuing to score the same way as young players is in itself a big feat.
Apart from that I have immense respect for the man as a human being. He enjoys the stature of a ultra-mega star in India, the likes of which no one has seen before and yet he is humble beyond belief. No scandals, no tantrums no leg pulling within the team over captaincy, just speak volumes for the man.

I think he is the complete cricketer. Someone every cricketer should aspire to be.


Thanks for reminding me about another important point which according to me de-credits the so called accomplishments of this great batsman of yours and other likeminded novices of your school of thought as well.

The amount of games which the modern teams are playing, here one should be aware that only the top rated teams get the bulk of the share of Test and Limited Overs matches according to the “Future Tours Program” of ICC which also heavily influenced by the marketing bigwigs of media and broadcasting corporations, also gives the likes of S. Tendulkar more opportunities to continuously play and swell their records.

Only two decades before this profusion of useless cricket matches was not there as I can vividly recall and can only feel sorry about the likes of Viv Richards, Javed Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Greg Chappell, Martin Crowe and Co to not get these sort of abundant opportunities in their respective careers.

As far as maintaining the fitness is concerned by your supposed great batsman then I think it has nothing to do with his own ability, apart from maintaining his disciplined attitude and composure for which I appreciate him no doubt, because players like Sachin are very fortunate, to say the least, to join this profession in such times when there is a great urgency among the administrators of the concerned countries to maintain the “Supportive Staff” of their respective national cricket teams. These same sorts of extra ordinary facilities along with the entourage of highly skilled supportive staff have raised the respective technical knowhow, psychological toughness and superior physical fitness of the current players which were virtually non existent in pre-modern times.

I only consider Tendulkar as a moderate great in the current era and certainly not the greatest of all time due to the above mentioned reasons.
 
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awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Thanks for reminding me about another important point which according to me de-credits the so called accomplishments of this great batsman of yours and other likeminded novices of your school of thought as well.

The amount of games which the modern teams are playing, here one should be aware that only the top rated teams get the bulk of the share of Test and Limited Overs matches according to the “Future Tours Program” of ICC which also heavily influenced by the marketing bigwigs of media and broadcasting corporations, also gives the likes of S. Tendulkar more opportunities to continuously play and swell their records.

Only two decades before this profusion of useless cricket matches was not there as I can vividly recall and can only feel sorry about the likes of Viv Richards, Javed Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Greg Chappell, Martin Crowe and Co to not get these sort of abundant opportunities in their respective careers.

As far as maintaining the fitness is concerned by your supposed great batsman then I think it has nothing to do with his own ability, apart from maintaining his disciplined attitude and composure for which I appreciate him no doubt, because players like Sachin are very fortunate to say the least to join this profession when there is a great urgency among the administrators of the concerned countries to maintain the “Supportive Staff” of their respective national cricket teams. These same sorts of extra ordinary facilities along with the entourage of highly skilled supportive staff have raised the respective technical knowhow, psychological toughness and superior physical fitness of the current players which was virtually non existent in pre-modern times.

I only consider Tendulkar as a moderate great in the current era and certainly not the greatest of all time due to the above mentioned reasons.

Thank you for calling me and millions of people who consider Sachin as a great batsman 'novices'.
Nothing like being cut down to size by the 'real' guru of the game!

The fact of the matter is that you are putting all of your assumptions on conjectures. "Had xyz batsmen of the past been given such and such opportunities they would have done God knows what". Well sadly the reality is that of the people who HAVE been lucky enough to be given the opportunities, Sachin has been by far the most prolific at capitalizing on them.
This sounds more like a line from one of those PMA/cadet college dialogs where all the seniors always lament that 'in our day things were so tough and now all these new kids arent getting it tough enough". I dont buy that theory.
 

Bret Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
Thank you for calling me and millions of people who consider Sachin as a great batsman 'novices'.
Nothing like being cut down to size by the 'real' guru of the game!

The fact of the matter is that you are putting all of your assumptions on conjectures. "Had xyz batsmen of the past been given such and such opportunities they would have done God knows what". Well sadly the reality is that of the people who HAVE been lucky enough to be given the opportunities, Sachin has been by far the most prolific at capitalizing on them.
This sounds more like a line from one of those PMA/cadet college dialogs where all the seniors always lament that 'in our day things were so tough and now all these new kids arent getting it tough enough". I dont buy that theory.


You’re entitled to your own opinion, for which I respect it wholeheartedly, and I’m entitled to mine. I’m very much convinced with my observation that S. Tendulkar and the other major batsmen of this era are nothing but bullies of “Flat tracks and mediocre bowlers” no matter how much their batting stats try to mask their real potential and capabilities in tough and testing conditions. Period !
 
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