Qadiyanis will be listed as minorities

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
There is no future for this country until they stop classifying people according to their religion, caste and skin color.

Its not the state's business whether someone is Muslim or not that is their personal life.
we can handle our future so qadyanis can keep prostating to the english queen and asking for help and also from trump. please tell the rapist in london to stop plotting against Pakistan and we will have no problem. problem is people like zafarullah khan and abdus salam who are plotting against Pakistan
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
اس فیصلے کو فوراً واپس لیا جائے: مسلم لیگی رہنما
لاہور(29اپریل2020) پاکستان مسلم لیگ کے صدر و سابق وزیراعظم چودھری شجاعت حسین، سپیکرپنجاب اسمبلی چودھری پرویزالٰہی، وفاقی وزیر ہاؤسنگ طارق بشیر چیمہ اور صوبائی وزیر معدنیات حافظ عمار یاسر نے قادیانیوں کو قومی کمیشن برائے اقلیت میں شامل کرنے کی کوششوں پر گہری تشویش اور حیرت کا اظہار کرتے ہوئے کہا کہ موجودہ نازک حالات میں قادیانیت کا پینڈورا باکس کھولنا ناقابل فہم ہے۔ انہوں نے کہا کہ قادیانی خود کو غیر مسلم اقلیت تسلیم کرتے ہیں اور نہ ہی آئین پاکستان کو مانتے ہیں ایسے میں ان کی حکومت کی طرف سے پذیرائی آئین پاکستان کے ساتھ کھلواڑ ہے جو کسی طور پر قابل قبول نہیں، اس قسم کی کسی بھی تجویز سے پہلے وسیع تر مشاورت کی ضرورت تھی لیکن حکومت نے اپوزیشن یا علماء تو کجا اپنے اتحادیوں کو بھی اعتماد میں لینا ضروری نہیں سمجھا۔ انہوں نے کہاعجلت میں اور باالخصوص موجودہ حالات میں اس حساس ایشو کو زیربحث لانا بہت سے سوالات پیدا کر رہا ہے۔ مسلم لیگی رہنماؤں نے مطالبہ کیا کہ اس فیصلے کو فی الفور واپس لیا جائے۔ انہوں نے واضح کیا کہ وہ اور ان کی جماعت آئین کے منافی ایسی کسی تجویز سے مکمل براء ت اور لاتعلقی کا اظہار کرتے ہیں۔
 

Eyeaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
There is no future for this country until they stop classifying people according to their religion, caste and skin color.

Its not the state's business whether someone is Muslim or not that is their personal life.
Let's see what happens in the future? But why to argue from authority or from claims of knowing future!!
If you have a point, then explain it in accordance with given current situation. But I guess you wont because Liberalism has already Won and History has ended and you wont engage with the ignorant and defeated fools!!!
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
اگر قادیانی اقلیت ہیں تو خود قادیانیوں کے مطابق ان کے مذہب کا نام کیا ہے؟
جواب سوچیں گے تو معاملہ حل ہوجائے گا ان شاء اللہ
منقول
 

remykhan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
the rapist sitting in London has woved destruction of Pakistan and prays for it so why should I believe any qadyani who says he is a loyal Pakistani?
I don't know who you referring to sitting in England, Pakistan is a formidable force' cannot be destroyed by any individual's wishes. What about those are sitting in England truly harmed the country financially and systematically injected corruption, destroyed its institutions and brought it to its knees. People from Quaidiani communities have served Pakistan nationally and internationally also given their lives in 1965 wars. They are Quadiani and they are part and parcel of Pakistan, we cannot label some one or some community traitors due to their religious believes. We ought to grow and open our heart and mind.
 

remykhan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
the rapist sitting in London has woved destruction of Pakistan and prays for it so why should I believe any qadyani who says he is a loyal Pakistani?
I don't know who you referring to sitting in England, Pakistan is a formidable force' cannot be destroyed by any individual's wishes. What about those are sitting in England truly harmed the country financially and systematically injected corruption, destroyed its institutions and brought it to its knees. People from Quaidiani communities have served Pakistan nationally and internationally also given their lives in 1965 wars. They are Quadiani and they are part and parcel of Pakistan, we cannot label some one or some community traitors due to their religious believes. We ought to grow and open our heart and mind.
 

Kamboz

Senator (1k+ posts)
Let them live their lives as they want in special Qaidani brand. They cannot harm mainstream Muslims even though there are several sects with-in Islam. Let them pray the way they want to like many other minorities. Main thing is that they are Pakitani and they should enjoy the liberty and freedom given to them in constitution by the country.
That is the whole problem, they are not like Ismaili or Agha Khani. They are bent on creeping into muslims specially poor and illetrate ones and preach their religion. They stand out as Muslims, saying the same Kalma and pretend to be muslims. Once they start saying we are not muslim we are Qadiyani, no one has a problem with them.
 

HSiddiqui

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yep. They already have all the rights given to them by Govt of Pakistan. but it was suppose to be like this. They should be declared minority, not Muslim at all.
They should get every right, they are minority but Pakistanis.
 

rahail

Senator (1k+ posts)
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That is the whole problem, they are not like Ismaili or Agha Khani. They are bent on creeping into muslims specially poor and illetrate ones and preach their religion. They stand out as Muslims, saying the same Kalma and pretend to be muslims. Once they start saying we are not muslim we are Qadiyani, no one has a problem with them.

Exactly. Problem is Ismaili, agha khanis and bohras do not preach their version of religion. Bohras are as bad as Qadiyanis but they were never being discussed because they are not a mainstream sect. They use their energies to do whatever it is within them. Qadiyanis, on the other hand, are creepy. They try to do dawah without letting anyone know they are qadiyanis. However, it is the duty of muslims to talk to them and revert them back into mainstream Islam. They should be given a chance. We have to take them back with love and good talk. We have to give them love and tell them they are super wrong. Qadiyaniat is a curse upon muslims of Indo pak. We need to rectify it before moving forward.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I don't care about liberalism or any other label. No society has prospered from state enforced discrimination other than Arab countries who are rich in oil. I am surprised that I am even being asked for an argument against discrimination. It makes me want to throw up everything I ate in the last 3 days.

Let's see what happens in the future? But why to argue from authority or from claims of knowing future!!
If you have a point, then explain it in accordance with given current situation. But I guess you wont because Liberalism has already Won and History has ended and you wont engage with the ignorant and defeated fools!!!
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Abdus Salam did more for his country than any of you guys

we can handle our future so qadyanis can keep prostating to the english queen and asking for help and also from trump. please tell the rapist in london to stop plotting against Pakistan and we will have no problem. problem is people like zafarullah khan and abdus salam who are plotting against Pakistan
 

Beef.Bhaijan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Pakistan is not a secular country. So it has its own set of rules . Irony is the secular and failed politicians of the past have also not let it flourish to become a fully functional spiritual state that it was and is destined to become !


There is no future for this country until they stop classifying people according to their religion, caste and skin color.

Its not the state's business whether someone is Muslim or not that is their personal life.
 

AdamA

Senator (1k+ posts)
I strongly believe that it is one of the most formidable, remarkable, memorable and historical decision that PM Imran Khan has taken and will be credited for in Pakistan's history.

This will segregate Qadianism from the mainstream Islam and the majority of Muslims and give them all the civil, social, welfare, legal, litigation, acquiring property, possession of assets, protection of their lives and businesses as provided to other minorities of the state of Pakistan.

They will not be allowed to call themselves Muslims in Pakistan and excluded and forbidden to preach their theology to the local communities openly or clandestinely.

Like Gen Zia ul Haq, son of a Qadiani.
 

GreenMaple

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I don't care about liberalism or any other label. No society has prospered from state enforced discrimination other than Arab countries who are rich in oil. I am surprised that I am even being asked for an argument against discrimination. It makes me want to throw up everything I ate in the last 3 days.
Constitutionally the state of Pakistan is called "Islamic Republic of Pakistan", and all laws of the State cannot be contrary to Sharia (Islamic Laws, which still seem be a work in progress). One of the fundamental articles of the Islamic faith and of being a Muslim is to testify the finality of Prophethood of the last Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Anyone who does not accept this critical element of Islamic faith is considered as non-Muslim and part of the minority. The minorities by the way are free to practice their faith openly, and are guaranteed equal rights and obligations under the Constitution. There has been enough discussion on this, so let's close this chapter for good.