Point Blank - 5th july 2010 - Zaid hamid "Why is Zaid Hamid Controversial?"

sakayani

Senator (1k+ posts)
It is very unfortunate that there is a lot of attepmts made to potray different images or rather distort the images of Allama Iqbal and Mohammed Ali Jinah in these days. First of all, you have to be very brave to claim having a good knowledge of the Holy Book and suggest any implications in the light of Quran.
Quoting Quranic verses and implying certain conclusions is very very dangerous thing to do as you are playing with words of Allah.
Here, in my opinion, Mubashir Luqman (although he gave clarification but it is same like slapping first and appologising after) and Mr scholar was attempting that as it was said in Quran that satan descend upon poets and by quoting this, they are targeting Allama Iqbal as he was the poet in question. Well it was clarified later in the same Sorah, I am giving exact translation of Pickthall
(220) Shall I inform you upon whom the devils descend? (221) They descend on every sinful, false one. (222) They listen eagerly, but most of them are liars. (223) As for poets, the erring follow them. (224) Hast thou not seen how they stray in every valley, (225) And how they say that which they do not? (226) Save those who believe and do good works, and remember Allah much, and vindicate themselves after they have been wronged.
According to Molan Maududi,
220-222
This implies the sorcerers, astrologers, fortune-tellers and conjurers who pose as knowers of the unseen and tell the people their future, or as wise men who have control over jinns and spirits and can make the destinies of the people through them.
223
This may have two meanings: (1) The satans somehow get a little hint of the truth and inspire their agents with it, mixing it with all kinds of falsehood; and (2) the deceitful, unscrupulous sorcerers hear something from the satans and then mixing it with falsehood, whisper it into the people's ears. This has been explained in a Tradition which Bukhari has quoted on the authority of Hadrat 'A'ishah. She says that when some people asked the Holy Prophet about sorcerers, he replied that they were nothing. They said, "O Messenger of Allah, they, sometimes, tell the right thing" The Holy Prophet answered, "That right thing is overheard by the jinns who whisper it into their friend's ear, who concocts a story by mixing a lot of falsehood in it."
That is, the people who follow and accompany the poets, are wholly different in, their characteristics, habits and temper from those who follow and accompany Muhammad (upon whom be Allah's peace). The difference between the two groups is so obvious that one group can be easily distinguished from the other. On the one side, there are the people who are characterized by the high seriousness, civilized and gentle behavior, righteousness and fear of God, sense of responsibility and a high regard for the rights of others; people who are fair and just in their dealings, . who do not utter a word except in the cause of goodness, who have a high and pure ideal before them, which they pursue with single-minded devotion and for whose attainment they expend all their energies and capabilities. On other side, there are the people whose only pastime is to portray erotic scenes of love and wine-drinking, mocking and jesting, satirizing and eulogizing, or to arouse feelings of hatred and enmity and vengeance against others, or to describe charms of unchaste women to the brothel or of chaste ladies in the houses, only for the sake of pleasing the people and winning their applause. From the crowds who throng the poetic sessions and follow the "famous" poets, one cannot help forming the impression that those people are free from every moral restriction, who have no object in life except to gratify the lusts of the flesh like animals, and who have no idea whatever of the higher and nobler ideals and ends of life. The person who cannot see the obvious difference between the two types is indeed blind. But if in spite of seeing and knowing the difference, only for the purpose of suppressing the Truth, he says that Muhammad (upon whom be Allah's peace) and his Companions are no different from the poets and their followers, he is not only a liar but has also transgressed all bounds of modesty and decency.
143That is, they follow no fixed pattern for their thought and speech. but wander aimlessly in every valley. Every new impulse makes them take up a new theme regardless as to whether it has any truth in it or not. Under one momentary impulse they would start uttering wise things; under another they would give expression to filthy and base feelings. If they felt pleased with somebody, they would exaggerate his praises, and if they felt offended by him, they would condemn him and run him down to hell. If they had a selfish motive, attached with somebody, they would feel no hesitation in giving preference to a miserly person over a generous person and to a cowardly person over a gallant person. On the contrary, if they felt displeased with somebody, they would not feel any shame in blotting his character and ridiculing him and his ancestors. That is why, one can tied God-worship and atheism, materialism and spiritualism, morality and immorality, piety and filthiness, seriousness and jesting, eulogy and satire expressed side by side in the poetry of one and the same poet. A person who is aware of these well known characteristics of the poets cannot reconcile himself to charging the recipient of the Qur'an with poetry, whose every discourse and word is clear and precise, whose objective is clearly defined, and who has never in his life uttered a word deviating in any way from the path of truth, righteousness and virtue.
At another place in the Qur'an, it has been stated that poetry is not suited to the temperament of the Holy Prophet: "We have not taught him poetry, nor does it suit him." (Ya Sin: 69). And this fact was fully known to the people who had any personal acquaintance with the Holy Prophet. Authentic Traditions show that he could not recite a complete verse from memory. If ever during conversation he remembered of a good verse of some poet, he would recite it without much care and regard for its meter and order of words.
Once Hadrat `A'ishah was asked whether the Holy Prophet ever made use of poetic verses in his discourses. She replied that he hated poetic verses the most, though sometimes he would recite a verse of a poet of Bani Quais, but in so doing he would unconsciously change the order of its words. When Hadrat Abu Bakr corrected him, he would say, "Brother, I am not a poet, nor composing poetry is my object. " Arabic poetry abounded in themes of sex and love romances, wine drinking, tribal hatreds and feuds, ancestry pride and vanity and made little or no mention of pure and noble themes. It was so saturated with falsehood, exaggeration, false accusations, undue praise , vanity, satiric invectives, jesting and polytheistic obscenities that the Holy Prophet once remarked: "It is better that the interior of one of you be filled with pus than with poetic verses" However, if there was something good in a verse, he would appreciate it, and say, "Some verses are based on wisdom." When he heard the verses of Umayyah bin Abi-Salt, he said, "His verse is a believer but his heart a disbeliever." Once a Companion recited a hundred or so good verses before him, and he went on urging him to recite more.

144This characteristic of the poets was just the antithesis of the Holy Prophet's conduct and practice. Everybody knew that the Holy Prophet said what he practiced and practiced what he said. The fact that there was complete conformity between his word and deed, could not be denied by anybody. On the contrary, everyone was well aware that the poets said one thing and practiced just the opposite of it. For instance, they would express noble themes of generosity, indifference to worldly wealth, contentment and self-respect in their poetry, but, in practical life, they would turn out to be extremely stingy and cowardly, avaricious and selfish. They would find fault with others on trifles, but would themselves be involved in grave moral weaknesses.

145Here those poets have made an exception from the general reproach, who possess the following four characteristics:
(1) They should be believers in Allah, His Prophets, His Books and the Hereafter.
(2) They should be pious in practical life and not sinners, nor free from moral restrictions to say whatever they like.
(3) They should be remembering Allah much in their day to day lives as well as in their literary work. It should not be so that their personal lives reflect God-consciousness and piety, but their poetry is replete with themes of debauchery and lusts of the flesh, or that their poetry is full of serious themes of wisdom and God-consciousness, but their personal lives are devoid of any trace of the remembrance of Allah. As a matter of fact, both these states are equally despicable. A good poet is he who is God conscious in his personal life and whose poetic talent and skills also are devoted to the advancement of the way of life followed by the God-conscious, God-fearing and God-worshiping people.
(4) They should not satirize others for personal reasons, nor take vengeance on others on account of personal, racial and national prejudices, but when they are required to support the truth, they should use their literary powers like weapons of war against the unjust and treacherous people. It does not behoove the believers to adopt a humble, supplicating attitude against injustice and oppression. Traditions show that when the unbelieving and mushrik poets raised a storm of false accusations against Islam and the Holy Prophet and spread the poison of hatred against the Muslims, the Holy Prophet urged and encouraged the poets of Islam to counter attack them. Once he said to Ka`b bin Malik, "Satirize them, for, I swear by God in Whose hand is my soul, your verse will be more effective and damaging for them than the arrow. " Likewise he said to Hassan bin Thabit, "Deal with them and Gabriel is with you". And, "Say and the Holy Spirit is with you." Once he said, "The believer fights with the sword as well as with the tongue. "
This is all quoted from Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an - The Meaning of the Qur'an
If we look in the context of whole Sorah, it is obvious that it was Hazrat Mohammed and non-believer poets, who were against Islam, Allah was talking about and not those who were on the right paths. If we look at Allama Iqbal's poetry, it was all about teachings of Islam and nothing else. We forget to get message he was conveying but criticse him being a poet.
 

ASQR1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
As long as there are people like Mubashar and Zahid Hamid, we will overcome nincompoops who are playing these games.

Truth will come out, and when it does, people with selfish agendas will be exposed and embarrassed.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
As long as there are people like Mubashar and Zahid Hamid, we will overcome nincompoops who are playing these games.

Truth will come out, and when it does, people with selfish agendas will be exposed and embarrassed.

and just out of curiosity, who are those nincompoops?
 

saheeen

Councller (250+ posts)
This program is a drama acha script likha gaya zaid hamid ko dubara inn krney k liaey.
aik villon k tore pe aik so called mazhabi shakhs laya gaya ta ke zaidey ko hero bna kr paish kia ja sakey.

pata nhi is zaidey k peechey konsa general he jo isko promote krva raha he.aik naee game by dirty generals of Pak Army.

Main hoon Zaid hamid k pechay, Puri Qoam hay Zaid hamid k pechay.
Jao jakar apni ISLAH from the first line karoo.... Hadith main talash karoo us shaks k liay kia kaha gia hay jo kisi dosray ka naam bigar kar bolay .... Abu Jahel ko ham abhi tak abu Jahal hi kahtay hain / Firoon ko firoon hi kahtay hain.. naam na bigarnay ki tarbiat na di gaiei hoti in k naam pahlay bigaray jatay...
jab is point per ankhain khol lo to main point of this threat per bhi kosish karna.
 

saheeen

Councller (250+ posts)
My dear pakistani brothers and sisters, Mr. Zaid Hamids "azan"( spreading the knowledge) through different medias is very successful. Why people like him

because he is a voice of vast Pakistanies what they think and feel with the background of history , Iqbal and Quran with up to date analysis and spiritual

predictions. His massage is sooding pakistanies where as enemies of pakistan have a nightmare and sleepless nights. Now the enemies of Pakistan is

after him personally. Do we think that in this way , his massage could be stopped ???

I think Mr. M. Luqman might have invited Ibtisam Elahi Zaheer for proper qurans translation . Unfortunately we dont have late Dr. Israr and his alternative in this moment ?

Who knows that Mr. Zaid Hamid will get his reward for the struggle of protecting Islam and Pakistan but his spreading the knowledge mission

has changed the life style of youth as well as mature Pakistani Nation. So I would say Mr. Zaid Hamid Zindabad !!!

Pakistan Zindabad!!!


As Simple As beautiful Explanation...

JazakAllah
 
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khan125

Guest
Main hoon Zaid hamid k pechay, Puri Qoam hay Zaid hamid k pechay.
Jao jakar apni ISLAH from the first line karoo.... Hadith main talash karoo us shaks k liay kia kaha gia hay jo kisi dosray ka naam bigar kar bolay .... Abu Jahel ko ham abhi tak abu Jahal hi kahtay hain / Firoon ko firoon hi kahtay hain.. naam na bigarnay ki tarbiat na di gaiei hoti in k naam pahlay bigaray jatay...
jab is point per ankhain khol lo to main point of this threat per bhi kosish karna.

Mufti sahab Abu jehl ka naam umro bin hashaam tha aap usey abu jehl kion kehtey ho.

naam btaney ki to baree batain kr rahey hain aik jhootey nabi k peokaar(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)

aisa b nhi k koi khufia btain hain adalat me sabit ho chuka he ulema k fatwey maujood hain.phir b koi ankhain band rakhey to vo khud apna zimawaar he.aisey jahiloon se Allah bachaey.
 

wahmed

Councller (250+ posts)
My dear pakistani brothers and sisters, Mr. Zaid Hamids "azan"( spreading the knowledge) through different medias is very successful. Why people like him

because he is a voice of vast Pakistanies what they think and feel with the background of history , Iqbal and Quran with up to date analysis and spiritual

predictions. His massage is sooding pakistanies where as enemies of pakistan have a nightmare and sleepless nights. Now the enemies of Pakistan is

after him personally. Do we think that in this way , his massage could be stopped ???

I think Mr. M. Luqman might have invited Ibtisam Elahi Zaheer for proper qurans translation . Unfortunately we dont have late Dr. Israr and his alternative in this moment ?

Who knows that Mr. Zaid Hamid will get his reward for the struggle of protecting Islam and Pakistan but his spreading the knowledge mission

has changed the life style of youth as well as mature Pakistani Nation. So I would say Mr. Zaid Hamid Zindabad !!!

Pakistan Zindabad!!!

I totally agree!!
 

saheeen

Councller (250+ posts)
Mufti sahab Abu jehl ka naam umro bin hashaam tha aap usey abu jehl kion kehtey ho.

naam btaney ki to baree batain kr rahey hain aik jhootey nabi k peokaar(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)

aisa b nhi k koi khufia btain hain adalat me sabit ho chuka he ulema k fatwey maujood hain.phir b koi ankhain band rakhey to vo khud apna zimawaar he.aisey jahiloon se Allah bachaey.


abu Jahel & Firoon, Donon k naam is liay hi likhay thay k sayad aap donon dimention samajh jaien.
Ik Jis nay Muhammad SAW ki Nabuat ko Jhutlaya , Woh jahil kehlaya.
Dosra jis nay Nabuat ko bhi jhutlaya or Khudaie ka bhi Dawa kia, woh Apnay naam say hi mukhatib kia gia. Even Quran main bhi.
purely mayra maqsad aap ko dawat dena tha k kisi insan ka mazaq uranay per Islam kia kahta hay woh aap kuch jan sakain, ( Abu jahel ka naam / Firoon ki zaat even boddy donon tahayaat-e-zindagi Ibrat banadi gaiein )

Mayra aap say koi Personally difference nahi hay. just wanted you to study individually as well. ( sirf molvion k ik perticular tabqay k hath per apna Imaan rakh dena bohat bara risk hay apnay Imaan k liay )

Adalat jis ki aap baat kar rahay hain woh Angrezon ki banai hoi adalat thi or Judge jis nay faisla dia woh MUFTI / MAZHABI SCHOLOR nahi tha, ( Session / High / Supreme courts is a purely British Court system ), yeh Insanon ka banaya hoa Qanoon hay, Is k faislay TWIST hotay rahtay hian, session court ka faisla high court / high court ka faisla Supreme court change kar sakti hay.. Is court system k judge ko Allah or us k Rasool SAW ka dar-o-Khof ( only personally ho to ho ) warna professionally Faisla isee system ( wohi insanoon / Angrezoon ki banaiei hoi Qanooni kitaboon main say dayna hota hay ).

Yusuf ka mamla Sharie / Islamic tha, British nahi ....
( Sharia Court is a ISLAMIC COURT SYSTEM, Jis k Qazi ko ALLAH SWT & MUHAMMAD SAW k samnay sharmindagi k dar k siwaiey kisi ka dar-o-khof nahi hota )
Pakistan main Sharie Court mojod thi, Yeh Case Sharie Adalat main jana cahiay tha or wahin say Yusuf ko saza honi cahiay thi ta kay purii Ummat-e-Muslima ik ho kar us ko laan taan kartii, or apnay munh say us ko KAZAB kehnay k laieq bhi hoti.

Islam ( Sacha mazhab ) kisi aayat / hadith ko parh kar nahi, Mafhoom ko samajh kar baat karnay yeh Amal karnay ka dars deta hay. Zaid bhai nay hamesha yahi kaha hay k SHARIE court say faisla hona cahiay tha ta k woh kazzab kahnay k qabil hotay. ( other than he have cleard that Yusuf was corrupt, when he found it, He left him ) the only point he was raising, this KAZZABIAT case was ment to be in Sharia Court.

Herat is baat per hoti hay k Molvi ( jinhon nay Quraan parha / parhaya, Madarsay kholay hoay hain baray baray ) woh kion kar ( British court System ) ko apna mai bap bana kar wahan per case larnay pohanch gaiey or us court k faislay ko ( harf-e-akhir ) maan bethay ... Shariat Court ki baat to kudh molvion ko karne cahiay thi jo inhon nay nahi kiii.... ab yeh molvi puri dunya ko kahtay hian k kion k ham ( MOVLION ) nay maan lia hay ( british court system ) say proof karwa dia hay to tum bhi us ko gali do, warna tumhara Imaan mukammal nahi hota, agar nahi manoo gay hamarii baat to ham ( MOLVI ) tum ko bhi kafir qarar de dingay...

Mujhay Aap ( MUHAMMAD SAW ) ki woh hadith yahan yaad arahi hay ... ( JIS NAY KISI DOSRAY MUSALMAAN KO KAFIR KAHA TO DONON MAIN SAY IK KAFIR HOA )
Is hadit k aagay peechay koi defination / explanation nahi hay .. bus woh ik Islamic System jo day dia gia tha woh moojod hay. ( Yusuf k case main Islamic system follow nahi hoa bus yahi afsoos hay, or Zaid Hamid ka bhi yahi kahna hay ) ab agar main / koi or / ziad hamid agar yusuf ko kazab kahain to is hadit ki Rooh say hamain apna Imaan katray main nazar aata hay. QABAR main sawalon k jawab mainay daynay hain, molvii aakar nahi bachaingay mujhay, yah woh jawab nahi dingay mayre jagha ( Other than Yusuf corrupt tha / kharab tha / us nay gunah kiay / ghaltiaan karin / yah nabuat ka dawa bhi kia ) ab woh mar gia or us ka Mamla Islamic Court k bajaiey Allah ki apni court main chala gia jahan us ko us k her ghalat Amal / mamlaat ki Saza zaroor milay gi....


aap nay mujhay / Hamain jhootey nabi k peokaar ( clap )( clap )( clap )( clap ) kaha, Main dil ki gehrai say aap ki is ghalat fehmi ko maaf karta hon, or Allah say dua hay k woh aap ko or mujhay Samajhny ki or taqat ataa farmaiey .. Ameen.

JazakAllah.
 
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khan125

Guest
Mayra aap say koi Personally difference nahi hay. just wanted you to study individually as well. ( sirf molvion k ik perticular tabqay k hath per apna Imaan rakh dena bohat bara risk hay apnay Imaan k liay )

Achi baat he lakin hr kisi ko apni tarha na samjhain ore na hi apney se kamtar samjhain vesey aap ne baat ki molvion ki to kaiee us me namver ulema b hain in comparizan with ZH fraudia they are more credible.

even if they are not considered as a authentic proof ZH has proved himself a lair many times during his speeches.

i think following such a controversial person blindly is very dangerous for your eeman.
Adalat jis ki aap baat kar rahay hain woh Angrezon ki banai hoi adalat thi or Judge jis nay faisla dia woh MUFTI / MAZHABI SCHOLOR nahi tha, ( Session / High / Supreme courts is a purely British Court system ), yeh Insanon ka banaya hoa Qanoon hay, Is k faislay TWIST hotay rahtay hian, session court ka faisla high court / high court ka faisla Supreme court change kar sakti hay.. Is court system k judge ko Allah or us k Rasool SAW ka dar-o-Khof ( only personally ho to ho ) warna professionally Faisla isee system ( wohi insanoon / Angrezoon ki banaiei hoi Qanooni kitaboon main say dayna hota hay ).

matlab aajtk jitney faisley hoey sab jhootey hain kionkey angrezo ki bnaee hoee adalat he ,ore judge sahab koi mufti nhi sawal ye paida hota he k jo mufti they unho ne kia fatwey diey,intehaee bachgana baat he k muslaman mulk he ore yahan pe judge sahab ko islami qawaneen ka nhi pata,brader e muhtaram zara check kr liajiey ga k judge kisterha banta he ore kia taleem hotee he.

pata nhi kosey qanoon ki baat kr rahey ho bta detey to behtr hota.kia aapk k nazdeek jhotey nabi ko saza nhi honee chahey ya koi ore mazhab he aapka.

judge ne faisla diya vo mazhabi scholar nhi tha mufti nhi tha lakin jb mazhabi scholar ya mufti apni raey detey hain to vo molvi iman k liaey khatra bun jatey hain haan lakin vo ulema kabil e izzat hotey hain jo ZH k fraud ko samhaj nhi patey.ajeeb be tukki logic dee he aap ne.

ZH fraudiey ko kahen k ulema k board k naam btaey.adalat me apeal krey.itna to munn kala ho gaya he iska abb shayad geedar ki maut ka wakt he.
Yusuf ka mamla Sharie / Islamic tha, British nahi ....
( Sharia Court is a ISLAMIC COURT SYSTEM, Jis k Qazi ko ALLAH SWT & MUHAMMAD SAW k samnay sharmindagi k dar k siwaiey kisi ka dar-o-khof nahi hota )
Pakistan main Sharie Court mojod thi, Yeh Case Sharie Adalat main jana cahiay tha or wahin say Yusuf ko saza honi cahiay thi ta kay purii Ummat-e-Muslima ik ho kar us ko laan taan kartii, or apnay munh say us ko KAZAB kehnay k laieq bhi hoti.

ye ZH fraudiey ki ratti rataee hoee batain na sunao fazool logian na paish kro.
btao faisla ghalat hoa to koiee proof do yousaf kazzab ki taraf se to kisi ne gawahi b nhi dee koi aik alim us ke haq me gawahi hi de deta.sab ne to uskey khialaf fatwey diey.

shariat court sharieey qawaneen k liaey he yahan koiee qanoon pe behs nhi ho rahee thee blasphemy law already qanoon ki hasiat rakhta he yahan sirf ye behs thee k is shakhs ne ye kam kia he k nhi ,is me koiee shariee masla discuss nhi ho raha tha k shariat court ki baat ki jaey.
Islam ( Sacha mazhab ) kisi aayat / hadith ko parh kar nahi, Mafhoom ko samajh kar baat karnay yeh Amal karnay ka dars deta hay. Zaid bhai nay hamesha yahi kaha hay k SHARIE court say faisla hona cahiay tha ta k woh kazzab kahnay k qabil hotay. ( other than he have cleard that Yusuf was corrupt, when he found it, He left him ) the only point he was raising, this KAZZABIAT case was ment to be in Sharia Court.

Aik ore jhoot kitney jhoot pe jhoot boley ga tumhara fraudia ZH.kehta he k corrupt tha yousaf kazzab to phir jo video leak hoee us me usko mystic sabit krney ki kion koshish kr raha tha larko ko bewakoof bna raha tha.

konsi ayat ka mafhoom samhaj k vo usey mistic be keh raha tha ore corrupt be keh raha he.

kia mystic corrupt hotey hain.aik corrupt insan k liaey pora takmeel e pakistan tail kr diya.

jhoot ki b haddain sari cross kr chuka ore bewakoof log phir b iski bato me ajatey hain.
97 me iski audio aiee bait e raza valee agar chore diya tha to vahan pe uska sahabi bun kr kion takreerain kr raha tha tumhara ZH fraudia.

chore chuka tha to 2000 me dawn me yousaf kazzab k katal ko insaf ka qatal kion kaha ,jabkey vo usey chore chuka tha kionkey yousaf corrupt ho gaya tha amazing itna jhoot ore phir b aap log pagaloon ki tarha is clown ki batain suntey ho.

Herat is baat per hoti hay k Molvi ( jinhon nay Quraan parha / parhaya, Madarsay kholay hoay hain baray baray ) woh kion kar ( British court System ) ko apna mai bap bana kar wahan per case larnay pohanch gaiey or us court k faislay ko ( harf-e-akhir ) maan bethay ... Shariat Court ki baat to kudh molvion ko karne cahiay thi jo inhon nay nahi kiii.... ab yeh molvi puri dunya ko kahtay hian k kion k ham ( MOVLION ) nay maan lia hay ( british court system ) say proof karwa dia hay to tum bhi us ko gali do, warna tumhara Imaan mukammal nahi hota, agar nahi manoo gay hamarii baat to ham ( MOLVI ) tum ko bhi kafir qarar de dingay...

bewakoof insaan ye courts islami jamhooria e pakistan ki hkoomat k under hain ore 73 k aieen k teht sab makatib e fikr ne is pe daskhat kiaey hoey hain.

ye ZH traker abb tum logo ko baghawat pe uksa raha he jo kaam sufi mohammad ne swat me kia ye ZH begharat abb tum logo se yahan krwana chahta he.

courts ko na manna mulk k aieen or kanoon se baghawat he ore isterha ka fitna create krney pe is ZH ko saza honee chahey jo jawano me nafrat ore baghawat k beej bo raha he.

koi taliban jesa extremist ye baat krta to samhaj me atee k shayad isliaey kr raha he k ilm ki kami he ya brainwashed ho chuka he lakin shehroon me be aisey extremist zehn k log maujood he herat hotee he.

jinko inta shaoor nhi k mulk k qanoon ka ihteram sab awam ka pehla farz he yahi muhazib komo ka tore tareeka he lakin ZH ka kia vasta tehzeeb se vo to hr vakt pagaloon ki tarha jang ka bigal bja raha hota he.

zehni majzoob bna diya he us ne young nasal ko soch samhaj se khalee ho gaeey hain bs koi bardasht nhi koi tahzeeb adab o ehtraam nhi sab ko bura bhala ke rahey hain.
Mujhay Aap ( MUHAMMAD SAW ) ki woh hadith yahan yaad arahi hay ... ( JIS NAY KISI DOSRAY MUSALMAAN KO KAFIR KAHA TO DONON MAIN SAY IK KAFIR HOA )
yahan ilzaam ki baat nhi bakaida trail hoa chasham deed gawahaan paish hoey sarey sabooton ki roshni me faisla hoa isey aap hrgiz ilzaam ki definition me nhi daal saktey.
agar ilzaam kahen b to yousaf pr ilzaam sacha tha ore vohi kazzab o murtid tha.

sharm ki baat he abb to aik shakhs ne media pe aakr keh b diya he k yousaf kazzab ne merey samney nabuvat ka dava kia phir b tum munn utha k aik kazzab ko sahih sabit krney agey ho.AFREEN hey bhai tumharey dhetaiee ki daaad denee parey gee(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)
Is hadit k aagay peechay koi defination / explanation nahi hay .. bus woh ik Islamic System jo day dia gia tha woh moojod hay. ( Yusuf k case main Islamic system follow nahi hoa bus yahi afsoos hay, or Zaid Hamid ka bhi yahi kahna hay ) ab agar main / koi or / ziad hamid agar yusuf ko kazab kahain to is hadit ki Rooh say hamain apna Imaan katray main nazar aata hay.
:lol::lol::lol:Afsoos he bhai teree aqal pe ye jo ZH fraudia sab ko bura bhala kehta rehta he kia vo b islam hukam deta he uskey barey me kia kehna pasand kro gey.

herat he aik corrupt aadmi k jiko is ne uski corruption ki vaja se chora bakool ZH k usko sacha sabit krney k liaey Fraudia logo ko phuddu laga raha he.

Aik jhootey nabi ko follow krtey hoey uska difa krtey hoey eeman khatrey me nazar nhi ata lanat he(thumbsdown)(thumbsdown)(thumbsdown)

QABAR main sawalon k jawab mainay daynay hain, molvii aakar nahi bachaingay mujhay, yah woh jawab nahi dingay mayre jagha ( Other than Yusuf corrupt tha / kharab tha / us nay gunah kiay / ghaltiaan karin / yah nabuat ka dawa bhi kia ) ab woh mar gia or us ka Mamla Islamic Court k bajaiey Allah ki apni court main chala gia jahan us ko us k her ghalat Amal / mamlaat ki Saza zaroor milay gi....

aap nay mujhay / Hamain jhootey nabi k peokaar ( clap )( clap )( clap )( clap ) kaha, Main dil ki gehrai say aap ki is ghalat fehmi ko maaf karta hon, or Allah say dua hay k woh aap ko or mujhay Samajhny ki or taqat ataa farmaiey .. Ameen.
JazakAllah.

Bilkul sahih kaha vahan pe ZH terey liaey jawab nhi de ga.na hi wahan jhoot or makr faraib chaley ga.

Allah k court me to sab batain janee hain lakin dunya me logo ko b pata hona chahey k kon jhoota he kon sacha he.

kon jhootey ko sacha sabit kr raha he ore logo ko gumrah kr rah he.vesey daad denee parey gee phir mujhey k ulta chore kotwal ko dantey (clap)(clap) aik to choree ooper se seena zoree.
 

saheeen

Councller (250+ posts)
Achi baat he lakin hr kisi ko apni tarha na samjhain ore na hi apney se kamtar samjhain vesey aap ne baat ki molvion ki to kaiee us me namver ulema b hain in comparizan with ZH fraudia they are more credible.
kon jhootey ko sacha sabit kr raha he ore logo ko gumrah kr rah he.vesey daad denee parey gee phir mujhey k ulta chore kotwal ko dantey (clap)(clap) aik to choree ooper se seena zoree.


Aap ki baton say nadaza hota hay k aap secular soch rakhnay walay ik esay insan hian jo tamiz k naam per badtamizi ka jota hath main pakray, insanon main har us shaks ko jo aap ki soch per Imaan na laiey, cahay musalman ho yah na ho 2,3 maar detay hain, sath main muglizaat baktay hoay kufur ka fatwa laga detay hian,

Allah ka sukar hay k bohat say insaan esiiii soch nahi rakhtay...or woh Allah ki yeh baat mantay hain k " WHEN YOU COME ACROSS TO RUBISH, PASS IT WITH DIGNITY & HONOR " Inshallah i will be one of them.
you keep trying everything from the first two lines i have written with all your so called M U H Z Z I B world.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Aap ki baton say nadaza hota hay k aap secular soch rakhnay walay ik esay insan hian jo tamiz k naam per badtamizi ka jota hath main pakray, insanon main har us shaks ko jo aap ki soch per Imaan na laiey, cahay musalman ho yah na ho 2,3 maar detay hain, sath main muglizaat baktay hoay kufur ka fatwa laga detay hian,

Allah ka sukar hay k bohat say insaan esiiii soch nahi rakhtay...or woh Allah ki yeh baat mantay hain k " WHEN YOU COME ACROSS TO RUBISH, PASS IT WITH DIGNITY & HONOR " Inshallah i will be one of them.
you keep trying everything from the first two lines i have written with all your so called M U H Z Z I B world.

yaar shaeen,

jahilon sey keon dimagh khapatey ho? leave him alone.


Us jahil ka naam umro bin hashham ho ya George Bin Bush ho, jub mohammad (s.a.w.) ney Abu Jehal ka laqab dey dya to wo Abu Jehal hi hai ummat key wastey. case closed.
 
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khan125

Guest
Aap ki baton say nadaza hota hay k aap secular soch rakhnay walay ik esay insan hian jo tamiz k naam per badtamizi ka jota hath main pakray, insanon main har us shaks ko jo aap ki soch per Imaan na laiey, cahay musalman ho yah na ho 2,3 maar detay hain, sath main muglizaat baktay hoay kufur ka fatwa laga detay hian,

Allah ka sukar hay k bohat say insaan esiiii soch nahi rakhtay...or woh Allah ki yeh baat mantay hain k " WHEN YOU COME ACROSS TO RUBISH, PASS IT WITH DIGNITY & HONOR " Inshallah i will be one of them.
you keep trying everything from the first two lines i have written with all your so called M U H Z Z I B world.

Aik Hate monger ka follower aik jhotey nabi ka manney vala abb logo ko akhlakiat sikhaey ga.
ZH jiska kaam hi bakwaas krna he logo k jazbaat se khailna he uska follower abb tehzeeb ki batain krega.sharm tum ko magr nhi atee.

shayad aapko izzzat raas nhi aiee me ne bare tareekey se baat ki daleel se lakin phir murghey ki aik tang.

tum logo k zehn sochney k kabil hain hi nhi tum narrowminded extremist soch k hamil log ho jo tum logo se ikhtelaaf krey vo jahil he fasadi he.

yahi kaam he takfeerion ka vo sirf apney aapko sahih kehtey hain tum me ore un me koi fark nhi.

aik jhootey nabi ka difa kr raha he ore batain mujhey suna raha he(clap)(clap)(clap) shayd dankey ki chote pe jhoot bolney ko tum log difnety and honor kehtey ho.

jb jawab bun nhi pata to zatiat pe uter atey ho.ye aukaat he tum logo ki.barey aie iqbal k shaheen pehley islam k naam pe logo ko maar rahey hain abb iqbal k naam pe mulk me fasaad barpa ho raha he.
 
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khan125

Guest
yaar shaeen,

jahilon sey keon dimagh khapatey ho? leave him alone.


Us jahil ka naam umro bin hashham ho ya George Bin Bush ho, jub mohammad (s.a.w.) ney Abu Jehal ka laqab dey dya to wo Abu Jehal hi hai ummat key wastey. case closed.

Aukaat me reh mister shayad yad dash kamzore he teree.naam angrezo ka rakha hoa he bara aya phaney khan.hr jaga bara banney ka shoke hota he isey.
 

khanpanni

Minister (2k+ posts)
It was very hot debate about the division ( independence ) of pakistan that we might hve not done this , together with india we were better and the people

gave their arguments against and infavour.
Then the pioneer of Pakistan was humilated by removing his photos from the Assembly halls and important places and on one occasion he was not accepted

as a graduate. In the same time Z. ALI BHUTTS photos were removed from important places.
Then Allamah Iqbal was degraded and put on falls eligations . In the same time we got problem with provincial attonomy of different provences. I dont go in detail we know this.
Now we have massive blasts on civil areas, including low sheding of electricity , high prices of the commodities, hunger and poverty along with
corrupt government. This is all 4th generation warfares to destroy and destablize Pakistan.
In such circumstances if a person ( Mr. Zaid Hamid ) has used the modern electronic methods to revive our forgotten lesson, history of Islam, quaid-azam mohd ali jannah, Iqbal ka pakistan, predictions of shah walli ullah and love for pakistan(with out any discrimination,cast, creed,colour sect) according to quran and sunnah. He has very vast analysis and spiritual predictions as per our Hadiez. It is one hadiez that dont look who is saying what but the importance is
what he is saying.
So my dear Pakistani brothers and sisters we are following his spreaded easy attainable and accessable knowledge for Islam and Pakistan and thanks
to Mr.Zaid Hamid and his patriotic team for such beautiful effortes. Thanks and Allah-hafiz !
Before I leave you I have 2 massages ?
Please carry on your( farad nemaz) doesnt matter if (qadda) and then wish from Allah (doua). It is spiritualism and have lot of banafits.

I as well speek french and german . Please avoide these languages , in the long run you dont have any banifit out of it , unless and untill your are borned
in these languages. I came to know the end of Dr. Babry ( who translated Iqbal in french) from the Languages university of Islamabad and the germans
will never give you ( white coller) jobs avoid them, The language is difficult and you will lose your english. Convey your friends.
Please dont become (gorras) never forget your country and people and your pakistani languages including (urdu). If you ever want something extra-
ordenary then along with Urdu , Arabic and persion languages are Quaranick languages and you will have huge benefits.
May Allah give you success where ever you are and may fulfill your innate januine desires, Aameen !
Thanks ( Saheeen ) and ( Wshmed ) for liking my post !!!
Jazakallah!
 

saheeen

Councller (250+ posts)
yaar shaeen,

jahilon sey keon dimagh khapatey ho? Leave him alone.


Us jahil ka naam umro bin hashham ho ya george bin bush ho, jub mohammad (s.a.w.) ney abu jehal ka laqab dey dya to wo abu jehal hi hai ummat key wastey. Case closed.


done bro. ;) he is ignored.
 

saheeen

Councller (250+ posts)
Aukaat me reh mister shayad yad dash kamzore he teree.naam angrezo ka rakha hoa he bara aya phaney khan.hr jaga bara banney ka shoke hota he isey.



Gazooo bach k bro ( kahin koi kudh kash bombar... na bhej dia jaiey tumhare pas bhi ) :) ... we dont wanna lose any good person in this network... God bless you Gazoo.
 
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Murshad Jee

Guest
Aukaat me reh mister shayad yad dash kamzore he teree.naam angrezo ka rakha hoa he bara aya phaney khan.hr jaga bara banney ka shoke hota he isey.


بڑوں کی عزت کرنا اور اخلاقیات کا دامن ہاتھ سے نہ چھوڑنا
یہ ایسی چیزیں ہیں جو کہ انسان کو اس کے گھر سے ملتی ہیں اور انہی سے ہر کسی کے فیملی بیک گراؤنڈ کا پتہ چلتا ہے .

اختلاف رائے کا حق ہر کسی کو ہے لیکن اخلاق کا دامن ہاتھ سے چھوڑ کر اپنی حقیت سب کو بتانا کہ میں کس فیملی سے تعلق رکھتا ہوں ، یہ اچھی بات نہیں

اور باقی رہی گزو انکل کے بڑے بننے کی بات تو Alhamdulillah ہمیں سب کو بہت فخر اور خوشی ہے کہ گزو انکل ہمارے درمیان ہیں ، اور سب سے زیادہ ایکٹو ممبر ہیں اور ہمارے اس فورم میں ان کی وجہ سے برکت بھی ہے

پیارے آقا حضرت محمد مصطفی صلی الله علیھ وسلم کا فرمان عالیشان ہے کہ
جو جوان آدمی کسی بوڑھے کی تعظیم اس کے بڑھاپے کی بنا پر کرے گا تو اللہ تعالٰی اس کے بڑھاپے کے وقت کچھ ایسے لوگوں کو تیار فرما دے گا جو بڑھاپے میں اس کا اعزاز و اکرام کریں گے۔ (مشکوٰۃ ج2 ص423 اصح المطابع)

تو معلوم ہوا کہ بزرگوں کی عزت کرنا میرے آقا صلی الله علیھ وسلم کا حکم ہے اور مندرجہ بالا حدیث مبارکہ میں "کسی بوڑھے" کا فرمایا گیا ہے نہ کہ مسلمان بوڑھے یا صرف مسلمان ناموں والے بوڑھے
 
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saheeen

Councller (250+ posts)

بڑوں کی عزت کرنا اور اخلاقیات کا دامن ہاتھ سے نہ چھوڑنا
یہ ایسی چیزیں ہیں جو کہ انسان کو اس کے گھر سے ملتی ہیں اور انہی سے ہر کسی کے فیملی بیک گراؤنڈ کا پتہ چلتا ہے .

اختلاف رائے کا حق ہر کسی کو ہے لیکن اخلاق کا دامن ہاتھ سے چھوڑ کر اپنی حقیت سب کو بتانا کہ میں کس فیملی سے تعلق رکھتا ہوں ، یہ اچھی بات نہیں

اور باقی رہی گزو انکل کے بڑے بننے کی بات تو Alhamdulillah ہمیں سب کو بہت فخر اور خوشی ہے کہ گزو انکل ہمارے درمیان ہیں ، اور سب سے زیادہ ایکٹو ممبر ہیں

پیارے آقا حضرت محمد مصطفی صلی الله علیھ وسلم کا فرمان عالیشان ہے کہ
جو جوان آدمی کسی بوڑھے کی تعظیم اس کے بڑھاپے کی بنا پر کرے گا تو اللہ تعالٰی اس کے بڑھاپے کے وقت کچھ ایسے لوگوں کو تیار فرما دے گا جو بڑھاپے میں اس کا اعزاز و اکرام کریں گے۔ (مشکوٰۃ ج2 ص423 اصح المطابع)

Jetay raho dost.... tum yahin kahin mayre naighbour main bethay hogay :)
i know we both are in same country . :)
 

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