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[PkRevolution]

[hilar] as if us Pakistanis are the apple of the eyes of Europeans...

I came in to the UK a long time back. There was a time when Indian and Pakistanis were considered equals in talent and social strata. But now, Pakistanis have lost all their respect in the UK. I feel that is it the same in the rest of the world too. Whereas, Indians have gained more respect specially from their recent economic growth.

Don't argue with me over it. Go ask someone honest and you will see the truth.

I am better aware of the situation here in eu. You have put only curry in european servers nothing else.

There was some growth but yesterday, today's India is still poorest nation on the globe, jobless basars, poor and declining economy, load shedding, rape cases etc...

 

[FaisalKh]

Dude, in every post where I point out his idiocy, I explained it and gave links of my sources.

He on the other hand just made a personal remark and quit the debate.

I don't mind personal remarks. I would even listen to an abusive person if he had a point to make. He just stopped debating the issue and quit the topic calling me an Indian. How crazy is that.

He started off saying Einstein had been proven wrong. Probably he felt that he could justify Mirage through that or something. I told him that he was wrong. Rather than debating it, he just said I was an Indian.

What do you say to nonsense like that?

Point? What kind of point? He provided u with the links and all of those are internationally recognised and have great repu throughout the world. Thread starter just shared the link, it is not his own research and u can talk crap about the points in the article according to ur mentality and ur level of education but u have no right to call someone idiot.

Either u r a confused indian or the guy might be right about ur mental condition. (Sorry if it hurts but u need some treatment)

 

[nvra911]

I am better aware of the situation here in eu. You have put only curry in european servers nothing else.

There was some growth but yesterday, today's India is still poorest nation on the globe, jobless basars, poor and declining economy, load shedding, rape cases etc...

Dude, firstly please stop making me feel like an Indian. I am from Rawalpindi, born and brought up.

Secondly, you say all of that as if Pakistan is the beacon of prosperity and progress for the rest of the world. Pakistan has more existential issues than India. It looks silly when we point at others when we are stuck in a bigger rut ourselves.

Yesterday, TTP killed 10 foreigners in base camp of Naanga Parbat. TTP, who're Muslims and home grown or from Central Asian Muslim states like Uzbeck & Tajiks etc.

Last something similar happened in India was in Mumbai in Taj where local and foreigners were killed - but even behind that, Muslims from Pakistan were found out to be responsible. Even our govt. and the media admitted it.

Come on man, start living in the day light, why wont you!

 

[FaisalKh]

I am better aware of the situation here in eu. You have put only curry in european servers nothing else.

There was some growth but yesterday, today's India is still poorest nation on the globe, jobless basars, poor and declining economy, load shedding, rape cases etc...

Dude ignore such useless debate he is derailing ur nice informative thread with his dumb arguments ur topic is burried under his stupid illogical arguments

 

[PkRevolution]

...so true. Us Muslims on the other hand are so helpful to society of North America...

Do you remember:

- Time's Square failed bomber faisal shehzad?

- Or the Tsarnaev brothers from the boston bombings?

- Or the failed underwear bomber?

And I'm sure I don't need to remind you of Ramzi Yousaf and Bin Laden for the WTC attacks...

Go and have some rest. I really feel now sorry for you. This is not normal condition of yours.

 

[nvra911]

Point? What kind of point? He provided u with the links and all of those are internationally recognised and have great repu throughout the world. Thread starter just shared the link, it is not his own research and u can talk crap about the points in the article according to ur mentality and ur level of education but u have no right to call someone idiot.

Either u r a confused indian or the guy might be right about ur mental condition. (Sorry if it hurts but u need some treatment)

Come on dude. Don't tell me you have the case of blindness from reality too?

Both these guys were saying that Einstein has been proven wrong in an experiment and posting links from a news article.

When more news came, it was proven that Einstein was right and experiment equipment was wrong. I pasted links for that.

He then stopped debating and only made personal remarks.

Don't tell me that you're also like him too??

 

[FaisalKh]

Come on dude. Don't tell me you have the case of blindness from reality too?

Both these guys were saying that Einstein has been proven wrong in an experiment and posting links from a news article.

When more news came, it was proven that Einstein was right and experiment equipment was wrong. I pasted links for that.

He then stopped debating and only made personal remarks.

Don't tell me that you're also like him too??

Ur last line is of my interest and the reply to that is that yah i m sane person like him while u r an idiot calling others idiot

 

[FaisalKh]

Come on dude. Don't tell me you have the case of blindness from reality too?

Both these guys were saying that Einstein has been proven wrong in an experiment and posting links from a news article.

When more news came, it was proven that Einstein was right and experiment equipment was wrong. I pasted links for that.

He then stopped debating and only made personal remarks.

Don't tell me that you're also like him too??

Where is the link?

 

[nvra911]

Where is the link?

This is the link I pasted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light_neutrino_anomaly



- He posted link from September 2011 where experiment results conflicted with special theory of relativity.

- He then posted link from results of re-experiment in November 2011 which again were conflicting.

- Then I posted the link which clearly says that in 2012, it was proven after research into the results of those experiments, that settings for the equipment used were wrong and therefore the Sep / Nov 2011 findings were wrong. Read the Wiki article and it has all the links to original sources.



When I said that, he started calling me an Indian and didn't reply to my point. I find that to be extremely crazy!

 

[FaisalKh]

This is the link I pasted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light_neutrino_anomaly



- He posted link from September 2011 where experiment results conflicted with special theory of relativity.

- He then posted link from results of re-experiment in November 2011 which again were conflicting.

- Then I posted the link which clearly says that in 2012, it was proven after research into the results of those experiments, that settings for the equipment used were wrong and therefore the Sep / Nov 2011 findings were wrong. Read the Wiki article and it has all the links to original sources.



When I said that, he started calling me an Indian and didn't reply to my point. I find that to be extremely crazy!

this is the excerpt from the link u have posted

Despite the large significance of the measurement reported here and the stability of the analysis, the potentially great impact of the result motivates the continuation of our studies in order to investigate possible still unknown systematic effects that could explain the observed anomaly. We deliberately do not attempt any theoretical or phenomenological interpretation of the results.[49]

What i assume from this is that they say the research is still going on and not abandoned etc...

i m not a physicist but just to remind u that newton presented relativity theory in some 1600 and Einstein proved him wrong in around 1910 and it took him more than 10 years i believe. I hope u got the point

 

[nvra911]

this is the excerpt from the link u have posted

Despite the large significance of the measurement reported here and the stability of the analysis, the potentially great impact of the result motivates the continuation of our studies in order to investigate possible still unknown systematic effects that could explain the observed anomaly. We deliberately do not attempt any theoretical or phenomenological interpretation of the results.[49]

What i assume from this is that they say the research is still going on and not abandoned etc...

i m not a physicist but just to remind u that newton presented relativity theory in some 1600 and Einstein proved him wrong in around 1910 and it took him more than 10 years i believe. I hope u got the point

No dude, that except was stated on 23rd Sep 2011. Click here to read it. A lot of things happened after that and in 2012 a final statement was given which supersedes it.

After the finding of Sep / Nov 2011, a lot of research into the results were done and the fault was found to be in the equipment setting and the case for the anomaly closed. There is nothing on-going about it.

Trust me when I say I know what I'm talking about.

 

[nvra911]

i m not a physicist but just to remind u that newton presented relativity theory in some 1600 and Einstein proved him wrong in around 1910 and it took him more than 10 years i believe. I hope u got the point

I know what you mean. Science is an on-going fact finding, verifying and testing process. Our scientific understanding about things change as more discoveries are made.

However, scientific knowledge is hierarchical in its nature too. What the means is that a its like a building with storeys upon storeys.

Humans are at a point where they have discovered a lot of foundational scientific facts and it is kind of hard to deny them. Though they can technically change, but if they do, then the whole world will change too.

What I mean is that if law of physics change, then you WOULD notice them. It can't be that the laws of physics can change and the fabric of our existence will keep going the same way. Us humans have figured that much out about reality already.

So this is my point that new discoveries aside, there are some laws of science which can't be broken without a fundamental change in existence. Special relativity is one such law.

 

[FaisalKh]

No dude, that except was stated on 23rd Sep 2011. Click here to read it. A lot of things happened after that and in 2012 a final statement was given which supersedes it.

After the finding of Sep / Nov 2011, a lot of research into the results were done and the fault was found to be in the equipment setting and the case for the anomaly closed. There is nothing on-going about it.

Trust me when I say I know what I'm talking about.

Please go to the opera website and they r still working on it. I gave u an example of time difference between newton and Einstein and i believe some people at that time might have denied Einstein too

 

[FaisalKh]

I know what you mean. Science is an on-going fact finding, verifying and testing process. Our scientific understanding about things change as more discoveries are made.

However, scientific knowledge is hierarchical in its nature too. What the means is that a its like a building with storeys upon storeys.

Humans are at a point where they have discovered a lot of foundational scientific facts and it is kind of hard to deny them. Though they can technically change, but if they do, then the whole world will change too.

What I mean is that if law of physics change, then you WOULD notice them. It can't be that the laws of physics can change and the fabric of our existence will keep going the same way. Us humans have figured that much out about reality already.

So this is my point that new discoveries aside, there are some laws of science which can't be broken without a fundamental change in existence. Special relativity is one such law.

But how u could be so certain about special relativity after all u admitted urself that einstien was not a god and he could be wrong. U said i believe discoveries are linear but newton's relativity and Einstein's special relativity are completely opposite to each other? U dont have REAL equipment and means to prove him right or wrong after all it is hypothesis and completely theoretical. Apart from hollywood movies, i have never seen any time traveller or heard of anyone

 

[Queue Farms]

this is not Free Energy rather harvesting already existing energy source

Here we go again :-(

People please try to understand that Free energy is NOT possible. Energy cannot be created from NOTHING.

It can only be converted from one form to another.

During conversion we LOSE part of energy, in form of heat or any related form.

 

[kaalashaa]

Oh so that's what this guy nvra is, another wolf in sheep disguise. I thought he had mental issues, turns out he's a born loser. [hilar]

...and when proven wrong, you answer with personal attack rather than answering my post.

(clap)

 

[nvra911]

But how u could be so certain about special relativity after all u admitted urself that einstien was not a god and he could be wrong. U said i believe discoveries are linear but newton's relativity and Einstein's special relativity are completely opposite to each other? U dont have REAL equipment and means to prove him right or wrong after all it is hypothesis and completely theoretical. Apart from hollywood movies, i have never seen any time traveller or heard of anyone

:doh: :doh:

I thought you were better than this. Dude, I have no answer for you. Time travel is paradox at best and can't be attributed to special relativity. Also, special relativity is not a hypothesis. It has been proven experimentally beyond hypothesis stage. Click here to read about it.

I am really disappointed in you dude. I thought you were smarter than this.

 

[karachiwala]

Science has only proved Islam to be the only true religion. People were always sceptical but science kept on proving that Islam is TRUE. There was a time when people questioned about firoun's body as Quran said that it is preserved for people to take heed. People question how could The Holy Prophet pbuh ​travel hundreds and thousands of miles it was unimaginable but now science say that is possible. Now time travel and faster the light also things of norm. When Rasulullah pbuh he saw Jannat and Jahannam during namaz people said how could Jannat and jahannam come in between the Holy Prophet pbuh the wall of the masjid, then science created TV and now you see everything in your living/bedroom. It does hurt those whose religion is based on stories so yes they will argue and question. The best answer for such idiots - ignore them!

 

[jimz84]

Fact is that...from day one bankers and financial controllers of world hijacked all departments including energy....so in this era you can see results of that hijacking nothing is free....:)....when somebody tried to do something good for humanity he had been hanged or disappeared from scene....

 

[iceburg]

Issue is not "free energy" ... it is simply impossible.

Issue is "Perpetual energy" ... it is possible and artificial satellites's orbital perpetual movement (powered by 'free' gravity) is a live example..

Einstien was wrong ... in special theory as well as in general theory of relativity.