Nabi Akram (S.A.W) Ne Mere Khawab Main Aa Kar Kaha Ke Ghazi Mumtaz Qadri Ki Qabar Ko Mazar Banana -
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shozib ahmed
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this is debatable :/
نادان
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Re: ممتاز قادری کے قبر کو قبر نہ بنانا انکے قب&#
جھوٹ کو ویری فائی کرنے کی کیا ضرورت ہے ..طاہر قادری بھی نبی کے نام سے جھوٹے خواب سناتا تھا ..یہ نیا قادری کا ڈرامہ لے کر آیا ہے ..الله رحم کرے ان جاہلوں پر
جھوٹ کو ویری فائی کرنے کی کیا ضرورت ہے ..طاہر قادری بھی نبی کے نام سے جھوٹے خواب سناتا تھا ..یہ نیا قادری کا ڈرامہ لے کر آیا ہے ..الله رحم کرے ان جاہلوں پر
This means that the thread video is probably old.....Is ke baad is madaari ki sahi thukai hui he LMAO
so the question is , why is the OP starting threads with old videos ? yeh fasaad nahin kia ??
so the question is , why is the OP starting threads with old videos ? yeh fasaad nahin kia ??
Pakistani1947
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Forbiddance to build mosques on the graves and decorating them with pictures and forbiddance to use the graves as mosques
We can compile ahadith and statements from scholars on the topic "The Prohibition of Building Structures over graves and the Obligation to remove them" and topics which may come up in the discussion of the same. From Sahih Muslim:
Chapter 47: FORBIDDANCE TO BUILD MOSQUES ON THE GRAVES AND DECORATING THEM WITH PICTURES AND FORBIDDANCE TO USE THE GRAVES AS MOSQUES
Book 004, Number 1076:
'A'isha reported: Umm Habiba and Umm Salama made a mention before the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) of a church which they had seen in Abyssinia and which had pictures in it. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When a pious person amongst them (among the religious groups) dies they build a place of worship on his grave, and then decorate it with such pictures. They would be the worst of creatures on the Day of judgment in the sight of Allah.
Book 004, Number 1079:
'A'isha reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said during his illness from which he never recovered: Allah cursed the Jews and the Christians that they took the graves of their prophets as mosques. She ('A'isha) reported: Had it not been so, his (Prophet's) grave would have been in an open place, but it could not be due to the fear that it may not be taken as a mosque.
Book 004, Number 1080:
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Let Allah destroy the Jews for they have taken the graves of their apostles as places of worship.
Book 004, Number 1081:
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Let there be curse of Allah upon the Jews and the Christians for they have taken the graves of their apostles as places of worship.
Book 004, Number 1082:
'A'isha and Abdullah reported: As the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was about to breathe his last, he drew his sheet upon his face and when he felt uneasy, he uncovered his face and said in that very state: Let there be curse upon the Jews and the Christians that they have taken the graves of their apostles as places of worship. He in fact warned (his men) against what they (the Jews and the Christians) did.
Book 004, Number 1083:
Jundub reported: I heard from the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) five days before his death and he said: I stand acquitted before Allah that I took any one of you as friend, for Allah has taken me as His friend, as he took Ibrahim as His friend. Had I taken any one of my Ummah as a friend, I would have taken Abu Bakr as a friend. Beware of those who preceded you and used to take the graves of their prophets and righteous men as places of worship, but you must not take graves as mosques; I forbid you to do that.
Chapter 199: COMMANDMENT IN REGARD TO THE LEVELLING OF THE GRAVE
Book 004, Number 2114:
Thumama b. Shafayy reported: When we were with Fadala b. 'Ubaid in the country of the Romans at a place (known as) Rudis, a friend of ours died. Fadala b. 'Ubaid ordered to prepare a grave for him and then it was levelled; and then he said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) commanding (us) to level the grave.
Book 004, Number 2115:
Abu'l-Hayyaj al-Asadi told that 'Ali (b. Abu Talib) said to him: Should I not send you on the same mission as Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent me? Do not leave an image without obliterating it, or a high grave without levelling It. This hadith has been reported by Habib with the same chain of transmitters and he said: (Do not leave) a picture without obliterating it.
Chapter 200: IT IS FORBIDDEN TO PLASTER THE GRAVE OR CONSTRUCTING ANYTHING OVER IT
Book 004, Number 2116:
Jabir said: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) forbade that the graves should be plastered or they be used as sitting places (for the people), or a building should be built over them.
Book 004, Number 2118:
Jabir said that he was forbidden to build pucca graves.
Thumama b. Shafayy reported: When we were with Fadala b. 'Ubaid in the country of the Romans at a place (known as) Rudis, a friend of ours died. Fadala b. 'Ubaid ordered to prepare a grave for him and then it was levelled; and then he said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) commanding (us) to level the grave. (Sahih Muslim; Book #004, Hadith #2114)
We can compile ahadith and statements from scholars on the topic "The Prohibition of Building Structures over graves and the Obligation to remove them" and topics which may come up in the discussion of the same. From Sahih Muslim:
Chapter 47: FORBIDDANCE TO BUILD MOSQUES ON THE GRAVES AND DECORATING THEM WITH PICTURES AND FORBIDDANCE TO USE THE GRAVES AS MOSQUES
Book 004, Number 1076:
'A'isha reported: Umm Habiba and Umm Salama made a mention before the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) of a church which they had seen in Abyssinia and which had pictures in it. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When a pious person amongst them (among the religious groups) dies they build a place of worship on his grave, and then decorate it with such pictures. They would be the worst of creatures on the Day of judgment in the sight of Allah.
Book 004, Number 1079:
'A'isha reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said during his illness from which he never recovered: Allah cursed the Jews and the Christians that they took the graves of their prophets as mosques. She ('A'isha) reported: Had it not been so, his (Prophet's) grave would have been in an open place, but it could not be due to the fear that it may not be taken as a mosque.
Book 004, Number 1080:
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Let Allah destroy the Jews for they have taken the graves of their apostles as places of worship.
Book 004, Number 1081:
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Let there be curse of Allah upon the Jews and the Christians for they have taken the graves of their apostles as places of worship.
Book 004, Number 1082:
'A'isha and Abdullah reported: As the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was about to breathe his last, he drew his sheet upon his face and when he felt uneasy, he uncovered his face and said in that very state: Let there be curse upon the Jews and the Christians that they have taken the graves of their apostles as places of worship. He in fact warned (his men) against what they (the Jews and the Christians) did.
Book 004, Number 1083:
Jundub reported: I heard from the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) five days before his death and he said: I stand acquitted before Allah that I took any one of you as friend, for Allah has taken me as His friend, as he took Ibrahim as His friend. Had I taken any one of my Ummah as a friend, I would have taken Abu Bakr as a friend. Beware of those who preceded you and used to take the graves of their prophets and righteous men as places of worship, but you must not take graves as mosques; I forbid you to do that.
Chapter 199: COMMANDMENT IN REGARD TO THE LEVELLING OF THE GRAVE
Book 004, Number 2114:
Thumama b. Shafayy reported: When we were with Fadala b. 'Ubaid in the country of the Romans at a place (known as) Rudis, a friend of ours died. Fadala b. 'Ubaid ordered to prepare a grave for him and then it was levelled; and then he said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) commanding (us) to level the grave.
Book 004, Number 2115:
Abu'l-Hayyaj al-Asadi told that 'Ali (b. Abu Talib) said to him: Should I not send you on the same mission as Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent me? Do not leave an image without obliterating it, or a high grave without levelling It. This hadith has been reported by Habib with the same chain of transmitters and he said: (Do not leave) a picture without obliterating it.
Chapter 200: IT IS FORBIDDEN TO PLASTER THE GRAVE OR CONSTRUCTING ANYTHING OVER IT
Book 004, Number 2116:
Jabir said: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) forbade that the graves should be plastered or they be used as sitting places (for the people), or a building should be built over them.
Book 004, Number 2118:
Jabir said that he was forbidden to build pucca graves.
Thumama b. Shafayy reported: When we were with Fadala b. 'Ubaid in the country of the Romans at a place (known as) Rudis, a friend of ours died. Fadala b. 'Ubaid ordered to prepare a grave for him and then it was levelled; and then he said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) commanding (us) to level the grave. (Sahih Muslim; Book #004, Hadith #2114)
Pakistani1947
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Can Shaitaan imitate Prophet Muhammad PBUH in our dreams - How to verify Hadith
Dreaming of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) is a very serious and important aspect of Islam. Even some of the Muslim sects or school of thoughts, for example tahir-ul-qadri group's religion, is being authenticated indirectly by a dream.
We know that there is Sahih Hadith that Only those person could see the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in their dream who had seen him in wakefulness, i.e. in real life. Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard the Prophet ??? ???? ???? ???? ????) saying, “Whoever sees me in a dream will see me in his wakefulness, and Satan cannot imitate me in shape.” Abu ‘Abdullah said, “Ibn Sirin said, ‘Only if he sees the Prophet in his (real) shape.’” (Sahih Bukhari Book #87, Hadith #122)
There is no dispute that Satan can not imitate Prophet Muhammad ??? ???? ???? ???? ????). But Satan can disguise into Saint like appearance (anybody other than Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)). Now tahir-ul-qadri never saw Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) alive then how can tahir-ul-qadri claim with 100% confidence that he actually saw Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????)??
Let me explain this topic with an example. Lets assume two scenarios below:
Scenario#1:
During the time when Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) were alive, any Shabi (RA) who knew the face of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????), upon seeing Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his (RA) dream he (RA) could recognize the face of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) and could say with 100% confidence that he (RA) actually saw Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his dream on the basis of Hadith that Satan could not imitate the shape of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????).
Scenario#2:
Now, 1000 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) if somebody claims that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his dream than his claimed can not be accepted with 100% confidence because that person was unable to recognize the face of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????). There were no pictures of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) available. Satan can not come in the shape of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) but Satan can certainly come in the shape of a saint and can make that person believe that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his dream.
Conclusion:
In Scenario#1, If any Sahabi (RA) saw Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his dream could declare it with 100% confidence.
In Scenario#2, 1000 years after death of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????), if somebody claims that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his dream then his claim can not be accepted with 100% confidence. He might have seen or might not have seen.
I do not say whoever saw Prophet Muhammad in their dream after the death of Prophet is Kazab. My point is that one can not claim with 100% confidence that he has actually seen Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his dream. He might have seen or might not have seen Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) . Because (say 100 years after the death of Prophet (PBUH)) nobody was able to recognize the face of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????). As 100 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) no survivor can claim that he can recognize Prophet Muhammad if he sees him (??? ???? ???? ???? ????). There were no pictures of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) available. Satan can not come in the shape of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) but Satan can certainly come in the shape of a saint and can make that person believe that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his dream.
Sultan Noor Ud Din Zangi had a dream in which he saw the Prophet asking him to save him (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) from the conspiracy of two men also shown to him in the dream. He saw this dream repeatedly and immediately returned to Medina where scrutiny of the matter ultimately transpired the two persons involved in the conspiracy of removing the body of the prophet. Based upon this incident some people deduct that the person of Muhammad is alive and still guides his ummah through dream.”
The corpus of Islamic beliefs and practices is not based upon dreams of ordinary people like the referred Sultan. On the contrary, it is based upon the clear and unadulterated teachings of the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????).
Thus, if the Qur'anic teachings do not require Muslims to ascribe to the belief of the continuity of the Prophet's life - as they, in fact, do not - then no dream of an individual can render it a belief of Islam.
Furthermore, even Sultan Zangi's argument does not proves that if somebody claims to have seen our beloved prophet Mohammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his dream then his claim may be accepted with 100% confidence. In the best interest of Muslim ummah it is better to close this door which often leads to innovation in Shariah, following of fake peer, fake faqeer and fake wali like, Yousuf Kazab.
Dreaming of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) is a very serious and important aspect of Islam. Even some of the Muslim sects or school of thoughts, for example tahir-ul-qadri group's religion, is being authenticated indirectly by a dream.
We know that there is Sahih Hadith that Only those person could see the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in their dream who had seen him in wakefulness, i.e. in real life. Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard the Prophet ??? ???? ???? ???? ????) saying, “Whoever sees me in a dream will see me in his wakefulness, and Satan cannot imitate me in shape.” Abu ‘Abdullah said, “Ibn Sirin said, ‘Only if he sees the Prophet in his (real) shape.’” (Sahih Bukhari Book #87, Hadith #122)
There is no dispute that Satan can not imitate Prophet Muhammad ??? ???? ???? ???? ????). But Satan can disguise into Saint like appearance (anybody other than Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)). Now tahir-ul-qadri never saw Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) alive then how can tahir-ul-qadri claim with 100% confidence that he actually saw Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????)??
Let me explain this topic with an example. Lets assume two scenarios below:
Scenario#1:
During the time when Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) were alive, any Shabi (RA) who knew the face of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????), upon seeing Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his (RA) dream he (RA) could recognize the face of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) and could say with 100% confidence that he (RA) actually saw Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his dream on the basis of Hadith that Satan could not imitate the shape of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????).
Scenario#2:
Now, 1000 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) if somebody claims that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his dream than his claimed can not be accepted with 100% confidence because that person was unable to recognize the face of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????). There were no pictures of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) available. Satan can not come in the shape of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) but Satan can certainly come in the shape of a saint and can make that person believe that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his dream.
Conclusion:
In Scenario#1, If any Sahabi (RA) saw Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his dream could declare it with 100% confidence.
In Scenario#2, 1000 years after death of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????), if somebody claims that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his dream then his claim can not be accepted with 100% confidence. He might have seen or might not have seen.
I do not say whoever saw Prophet Muhammad in their dream after the death of Prophet is Kazab. My point is that one can not claim with 100% confidence that he has actually seen Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his dream. He might have seen or might not have seen Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) . Because (say 100 years after the death of Prophet (PBUH)) nobody was able to recognize the face of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????). As 100 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) no survivor can claim that he can recognize Prophet Muhammad if he sees him (??? ???? ???? ???? ????). There were no pictures of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) available. Satan can not come in the shape of Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) but Satan can certainly come in the shape of a saint and can make that person believe that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his dream.
Sultan Noor Ud Din Zangi had a dream in which he saw the Prophet asking him to save him (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) from the conspiracy of two men also shown to him in the dream. He saw this dream repeatedly and immediately returned to Medina where scrutiny of the matter ultimately transpired the two persons involved in the conspiracy of removing the body of the prophet. Based upon this incident some people deduct that the person of Muhammad is alive and still guides his ummah through dream.”
The corpus of Islamic beliefs and practices is not based upon dreams of ordinary people like the referred Sultan. On the contrary, it is based upon the clear and unadulterated teachings of the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????).
Thus, if the Qur'anic teachings do not require Muslims to ascribe to the belief of the continuity of the Prophet's life - as they, in fact, do not - then no dream of an individual can render it a belief of Islam.
Furthermore, even Sultan Zangi's argument does not proves that if somebody claims to have seen our beloved prophet Mohammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in his dream then his claim may be accepted with 100% confidence. In the best interest of Muslim ummah it is better to close this door which often leads to innovation in Shariah, following of fake peer, fake faqeer and fake wali like, Yousuf Kazab.
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30-Maar Khan
Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: ممتاز قادری کے قبر کو قبر نہ بنانا انکے قب&#
I think u had missed his another Video full of Gaalia and cursing others? Listen it infront of a mirror, u will clearly see smoke coming out from your ears :lol:
I think u had missed his another Video full of Gaalia and cursing others? Listen it infront of a mirror, u will clearly see smoke coming out from your ears :lol:
Irmghan Butt
Citizen
****** baras rhi hai shakal per.. Aur yeh nabi ( s.aw ) ka pseena kahan se aa gya is k paas yeh banda kia jahaalat bakk rha hai
30-Maar Khan
Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Can Shaitaan imitate Prophet Muhammad PBUH in our dreams - How to verify Hadith
Brother the rest is okay but this Zangi's story is also not authenticated with evidence but it is very much spread in our society so it is accepted and the reason may be these 2 number Molvies who authenticate themselves by such dreams.
The story of Sultan M Fateh who had conqurred Kistuntunia (Astanbol) is also wrong that he and his campaignions will go to Jannah as per a Hadith in Bukhari but people like Zahim Hamid narrate it contineously so accepted.
Brother the rest is okay but this Zangi's story is also not authenticated with evidence but it is very much spread in our society so it is accepted and the reason may be these 2 number Molvies who authenticate themselves by such dreams.
The story of Sultan M Fateh who had conqurred Kistuntunia (Astanbol) is also wrong that he and his campaignions will go to Jannah as per a Hadith in Bukhari but people like Zahim Hamid narrate it contineously so accepted.
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Pak1stani
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: ????? ????? ?? ??? ?? ??? ?? ????? ???? ??&#
Any idea on whose behalf he was doing this.
Any idea on whose behalf he was doing this.
Porus
MPA (400+ posts)
دشمن نے پہلے ہمیں شیعہ سنی کی بنیاد پر لڑانے کی کوشش کی، اب دیوبندی بریلوی میں تقسیم کر کے فساد پھیلانے کی کوشش کر رہا ہے- ہر مسلک کے اکابر علماء سلجھے ہوئے، سمجھدار اور صلح جو ہیں- لیکن چند فتنہ پروروں کے اول فول کو خوب خوب پھیلایا جاتا ہے جیسے وہی اپنے فرقے کے ترجمان ہوں حالانکہ انھیں چند عقل بند حواریوں کے علاوہ کوئی منہ نہیں لگاتا- لیکن دوسرے مسالک کے خلاف ان کی مغلظات کی تشہیر کر کے کوشش کی جاتی ہے کہ دوسری طرف سے بھی ایسی ہی کاروائی ہو اور فساد پھیلے
نادان
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: ممتاز قادری کے قبر کو قبر نہ بنانا انکے قب&#
نہیں .میں نے نہیں سنی ...یہاں اس فورم پر ہی کافی پوسٹیں کانوں سے دھوئیں نکالنے کو کافی ہوتی ہیں
نہیں .میں نے نہیں سنی ...یہاں اس فورم پر ہی کافی پوسٹیں کانوں سے دھوئیں نکالنے کو کافی ہوتی ہیں
3rd_Umpire
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: ممتاز قادری کے قبر کو قبر نہ بنانا انکے قب&#
ذیادہ فکر مند ھو نے کی ضرورت نہیں، ایک شہید جنرل ضیاءالحق بھی تھا، کئی بندے عرقِ گلاب کے دھوکے میں بوتل میں پیشاب لے کر چھڑک آتے ھیں
Masroorahmad
Banned
es Manhoos ki shakl dekho aur dawaa dekho
