Musharraf says to Aafia family: I am innocent

capre786

Minister (2k+ posts)
ISLAMABAD: Former president General (retd) Pervez Musharraf called the mother of Dr Aafia Siddiqui three times recently to clarify his position but she never s***e to him and finally Musharraf sent his old comrade Rashid Qureshi to meet her in Karachi.
Qureshi tried to prove that Musharraf was not directly responsible for the disappearance of Aafia in 2003 but failed to convince the family of Aafia and even exchanged hot arguments with the sister of Aafia and other people present there.
There is a general impression in Pakistan that Pervez Musharraf actually handed over Dr Aafia to US authorities but many people in the powerful Pakistani establishment claim that the ISI never arrested her in 2003 from Karachi and probably it was done through an independent and secret FBI operation with the help of some local police officials.
The FBI arrested her and then sent her to Bagram Jail in Afghanistan. The role of Pervez Musharraf in Aafia Siddiqui case is still a mystery because he was the one who allowed the FBI and other US agencies to operate independently in Pakistan. He even admitted in his book In The Line of Fire that he handed over 369 people to the US and earned millions of dollars from the CIA but a former ISI official who worked with Musharraf very closely denied the claim of former military dictator made in his book. This ex-official said, ISI never handed over a single Pakistani national to the US and never received a single dollar from the US as head money.
There are still many unanswered questions relating to Dr Aafias case. Who arrested Dr Aafia Siddiqui in 2003 from Karachi? Where was she from March 30, 2003 to July 17, 2008 until the Americans claimed her arrest in Afghanistan? If she was in the custody of some intelligence agency, how she reached the home of her uncle in Islamabad during this time and spent two days with him? Who released Dr Aafia Siddiqui in January 2008 and who forced her to infiltrate into al-Qaeda network of Pakistan? Where is her third child Suleman? All these questions were not answered in the verdict of a US federal court, which sentenced her to 86 years in prison.
The US authorities declared Aafia among the seven most-wanted al-Qaeda fugitives in 2004. The US Army claimed to have arrested her in Ghazni province of Afghanistan in July 2007 and then the FBI shifted her to New York. Prosecutors said she had picked up a rifle in a Ghazni prison and opened fire on the US servicemen. She missed and in a struggle was shot at by one of the US soldiers. Defence lawyers argued there was no physical evidence, such as fingerprints or gunpowder traces, to show Dr Aafia even grabbed the rifle. The members of her family and some human rights groups said Dr Aafia was imprisoned by the US forces after disappearing along with her three children in Pakistan in 2003 and that she is now mentally disturbed.
Although she was not charged with terrorism, prosecutors described her as a would-be terrorist who had also plotted to bomb New York. The court failed to shed light on the mystery of what happened to the mother of three from 2003 to 2008.
The sister of Aafia, Dr Fauzia Saddiqui, claimed that she provided evidence to the Government of Pakistan and to the defence lawyers about the alleged role of the Musharraf regime in the abduction of Aafia but the US court refused to listen and clearly said that they were only interested in what happened in Ghazni. Fauzia told The News that Aafia disappeared on March 30, 2003 and local newspapers of Karachi reported on April 1 that the authorities had arrested a woman under the charges of terrorism. She said that Faisal Saleh Hayat was the interior minister at that time and he admitted the arrest of Dr Aafia in front of many journalists and he even told her that Aafia was arrested because she was very dangerous. The US sources claim that Aafia pressed her first husband Amjad in 2002 to go to Afghanistan for Jihad but he refused. After that, she got a divorce from him and married an al-Qaeda operative Ammar al-Baluchi in February 2003. When Khalid Shiekh Muhammad was arrested from Rawalpindi on March 1, 2003, Ammar disappeared. The FBI issued an arrest warrant of Aafia on March 25 and she was arrested from Karachi with her three children on March 30. Dr Fauzia claims that an official from a civilian security agency contacted her and promised to give her the details about Aafia but this official, with the name of Shahid Qureshi, was killed in a mysterious road accident.
Mother of Aafia, Ismat Siddiqui, confirmed that Rashid Qureshi called her sometime ago and said that Pervez Musharraf wanted to call her. Ismat Siddiqui said that Musharraf called her on the landline number but she was not available. After a few days, Rashid Qureshi informed her that he was coming to see her with media but she refused to meet him in the presence of the media. She agreed to meet him without the media. Rashid Qureshi came and complained why she was leveling allegations against Pervez Musharraf for the abduction of Aafia. Fauzia informed Qureshi that Musharraf admitted in his book that he handed over many people to Americans. On this, Qureshi said, May be, we were not aware that Aafia was a Pakistani. May be somebody handed over her as an American claimed Ismat Siddiqui. She categorically denied some media reports about the nationality of Aafia and said, My daughter is a Pakistani. Fauzia said that Rashid Qureshi was arrogant on one stage when he said, You cannot damage Musharraf by coming on roads, and then her husband Nasir and some other people exchanged hot words with him.
Fauzia Siddiqui was recently informed by a top Pakistani government official that the third missing kid of Aafia, Suleman, was alive. Fauzia said that people who claimed that Suleman was alive advised them that they should not speak much or Suleman might not come back. According to the former husband of Aafia, she was not in the custody of Americans from 2003 to 2008. Amjad Khan claimed that she was hiding in Karachi and he himself saw her once in Karachi in 2005. Another uncle of Aafia, Shamsur Rehman Faruqui claimed that Aafia met her in January 2008 in Islamabad. Aafia told her uncle that she had been in the custody of both Pakistani and American agencies but she was not aware about the location. She claimed that she was released with a mission to infiltrate into the al-Qaeda network of Pakistan but she wanted to escape to Afghanistan. Faruqui claimed that Aafia spent two days with her in Islamabad and disappeared on the third day. Pakistani authorities did not confirm the presence of Aafia in Islamabad in January 2008. Her sister Fauzia is not ready to believe her uncle who is the real brother of her mother.
According to reliable sources, the younger brother of Ammar al-Baluchi, Shabbir, was arrested in 2005 from Karachi. The ISI investigated about the whereabouts of Aafia from him but he was not aware. He was not involved in any terrorist activity so he was later released with a commitment that he would find out Aafia but he also disappeared. Former Chief of General Staff Lt Gen (retd) Shahid Aziz claimed that Musharraf gave bases to Americans in Pakistan without informing corps commanders and he also allowed Americans to operate independently. Former Secretary Foreign Affairs Riaz Khokhar said that he once wrote to Musharraf that they must have some checks on the free movement of Americans in Pakistan but Musharraf never listened to him. Sources in security establishment claimed that Aafia Siddiqui might have been arrested independently by the Americans from Karachi and then she was transferred to some secret location because some FBI officials contacted the family of Amjad Khan without informing the ISI. Then ISI boss Lt Gen (retd) Ehsanul Haq complained to the CIA in 2003 and protested why one FBI official was contacting the Pakistani nationals without the knowledge of Pakistani authorities but the CIA claimed that they were also not aware about the FBI operations in Pakistan.
 

Nice2MU

President (40k+ posts)
HAHAHAH..............Why he didn't send Qureshi earlier? Why he chosed this particular time when he announce his come back to Pakistan. ...... It is true the Fake Politics turns a normal person into A JOKER and Musharaf seems to me the biggest Joker of Pakistani Dirty Politics.


If Musharaf is innocent, then his Angels would be culprit who handed over Dr Aafia and other Pakistanis to US and earn some Boundies (Dollars), which he enjoys in London.
 
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GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Firstly it is not ture but even if we believe that she was picked up by an Independent agency,
This is a bigger sin as Musharraf was the one who must have authorized for the operation of such agencies in Pakistan by whatever name, Blackwater ...

This will raise more questions, how many more were picked up from our cities.
 

qasim845

Banned
Hahaha.. That article is published today at Jang newspaper and it is written by a hypocrite journalist, Hamid Mir. Hhahahha.. He will say anything to show the proof of his hypocrisy. Irfan siddique, Hamid Mir and Nair Naji are descendent of Mir jaffer and Mir saddique. they are the best examples of Yellow Journalism.
Yet another Mir among Muslims.
 

PurpleHaze

Citizen
The Aafia mafia

About a year ago, I wrote a column that got the ghairat brigade on my case. The gist of the column was that the trial in the US was based on a case of evidence, and lack of, that the US had full control over in the alleged attempt to shoot a US soldier by Dr Aafia Siddiqui. That she would get a fair trial was dubious, plus the case was opportunistic because the US took the easy way out and didn’t prosecute her for her alleged links to al Qaeda but instead for a shooting during a questioning. She was, after all wanted for links to terrorism initially. Then of course, one of the main problems is the US took a third party national from Afghanistan for a trial in their domestic courts.

The offending opinion which got the aforementioned ghairat specialists riled up, which I still subscribe to, is that from what we know Dr Aafia cannot be categorically described as innocent or guilty.

Before she went missing, before the alleged shooting, Dr Aafia was on the radar as an enabler of terrorism. A UN commission described her as a member of al Qaeda, Sheikh Khalid Mohammed gave her name to the US and court records show her as the second wife of an al Qaeda member. One of her uncle’s claims to have met her when she was supposedly in detention in Afghanistan by the US during her missing year’s period. Her ex-husband rubbishes many of her claims, and the family of Dr Aafia won’t let the media speak to her children who can shed light on what really happened.

We should be spending money on her defence simply because she is a Pakistani national in trouble and convicted in a case that is doubtful. But everyone who resolutely proclaims her innocence like most of the political parties in the country do so inaccurately. To argue for due process and greater disclosure is what we ought to be doing because that is what was denied to Dr Aafia, but the evidence to suggest she was or was not a member of al Qaeda does not exist without a shadow of a doubt for both parties.

In her outbursts in court, Dr Aafia let on more than she chose to clarify. Why would she think she could make peace with the Taliban, what connections did she have with them, wasn’t she supposed to be illegally detained in a US prison in Afghanistan during that period preventing that? Or how did she know about more 9/11 type attacks?

I have a friend who works in the production unit of Pakistan’s most watched channels, and she told me an interesting anecdote that when the verdict was announced for Dr Aafia (not the sentencing which has been done separately now) the news team all thought Dr Aafia was not entirely innocent because of other facts in the case, but when they went on air they agreed to do so with the unequivocal line that she was innocent.

I imagine politicians are in the same boat, even if they have doubts, voicing that opinion is almost like a taboo. I suspect it has to do with the same line of logic that causes many to be inadvertent sympathisers of the Pakistani Taliban despite their bloody war against Pakistani citizens. Any overt sense of religious symbolism throws out rationality in a sense of what could loosely be described as “catholic guilt”.

We root for the Taliban because they supposedly lead austere lives and pray five times a day and then unforgivably forgive them for the most immoral of acts, large scale murder. To simply not entertain the idea that Dr Aafia may have been a member of al Qaeda is a reflection of the same thought process.

Dr Aafia doesn’t deserve 86 years in prison for the case in which she has been held guilty, and it’s an absolute travesty of justice that the US will not proceed to demonstrate the evidence that got her linked to terrorism. But, if the circumstantial evidence is true regarding her membership to al Qaeda, then she deserves 86 years and more. Otherwise, repatriate her and let it be.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
PurpleHaze:
My newbie friend and Aafia's sympathizer. Thank you very much for declaring her innocent to the case she was tried and even more thank you for your verdict of declaring her guilty of being Al Quida Sympathizer in which even US was unable to mustered enough evidence to prove in the court. May I suggest you, that now since the 86 years of prison sentence has been announced, but yet because of the wrong reason( as per your enlighted article) ,You can file an application to make this wrong right and request the court in USA to reconsider the reason for the sentence because your wondering soul will never rest without the right reason of the wrong assumption. May the Judge of the court allow you your day in court. By the way, I also have a friend who had enough information in front of him proving her innocent, yet when he went on air, he declared her guilty. Guess who that could be ?
 

PurpleHaze

Citizen
PurpleHaze:
My newbie friend and Aafia's sympathizer. Thank you very much for declaring her innocent to the case she was tried and even more thank you for your verdict of declaring her guilty of being Al Quida Sympathizer in which even US was unable to mustered enough evidence to prove in the court. May I suggest you, that now since the 86 years of prison sentence has been announced, but yet because of the wrong reason( as per your enlighted article) ,You can file an application to make this wrong right and request the court in USA to reconsider the reason for the sentence because your wondering soul will never rest without the right reason of the wrong assumption. May the Judge of the court allow you your day in court. By the way, I also have a friend who had enough information in front of him proving her innocent, yet when he went on air, he declared her guilty. Guess who that could be ?

Pakistanis are 'shocked and angered' at the slightest thing now. Aafia Siddiquie is no innocent babe in the woods. A member of Al-Qaeda and married to a nephew of Major Terrorist Khalid Shaikh Muhammad, she most certainly deserves to be behind bars for a long time. The judge was right taking note of her terrorist past. Jihadis for 'God and Islam' are not going to stop being what they are just because of a stint in jail. They all need to be locked up and the keys thrown away. This woman included.
 

hassam

MPA (400+ posts)
Hahaha.. That article is published today at Jang newspaper and it is written by a hypocrite journalist, Hamid Mir. Hhahahha.. He will say anything to show the proof of his hypocrisy. Irfan siddique, Hamid Mir and Nair Naji are descendent of Mir jaffer and Mir saddique. they are the best examples of Yellow Journalism.
Yet another Mir among Muslims.

If this is written by Hamid Mir. I agree with your comments. He writes his articles every time showing as if he was right there present to know the facts. Mostly he is writing bull crap made up by him. I do not mean to convey to any body here that I do not hold Musharaf responsible for Afias plith but I can not digest anything form Hamid Mir. He is 100% bikao maal and bloody liar.
 

Nawazish

Minister (2k+ posts)
no matter what you do mush, you absolutely have no chance in politics. You are a criminal and as long we have independent judiciary, you have no future
 

lastbullet

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Afia is a terrorist this is great usa is punishing her otherwise pakistani juduciary would release her as they did with other terrorist.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Pakistanis are 'shocked and angered' at the slightest thing now. Aafia Siddiquie is no innocent babe in the woods. A member of Al-Qaeda and married to a nephew of Major Terrorist Khalid Shaikh Muhammad, she most certainly deserves to be behind bars for a long time. The judge was right taking note of her terrorist past. Jihadis for 'God and Islam' are not going to stop being what they are just because of a stint in jail. They all need to be locked up and the keys thrown away. This woman included.

Is that what your Dady ( Mush) told you ??? Since the USA never tried her on most incriminating charges of Terrorism.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Why he is saying this to her family....

If he is innocent then no need to say like this...
 

funkymonk

Minister (2k+ posts)
Hahaha.. That article is published today at Jang newspaper and it is written by a hypocrite journalist, Hamid Mir. Hhahahha.. He will say anything to show the proof of his hypocrisy. Irfan siddique, Hamid Mir and Nair Naji are descendent of Mir jaffer and Mir saddique. they are the best examples of Yellow Journalism.
Yet another Mir among Muslims.

dude .. fact of the matter is musharraf is the modern mir jaffir and mir sadiq who traded his coutry's people for his own sake ...
 

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