MQM Terrorism Exposed Pak Army ex ISI Major

[alimohsan52]

Hitler had many more followers than Altaf and they were also binded by common language and culture. What did this result in? Germany ended in total ruins. This is exactly what Altaf the maniac is going to lead his people to.

There are so many MQM apologists here ​

 

[zsheikh]

Cha gaya hai. dil ko thand par gayi is altaf mardood ki haqeeqat jaan kar.

 

[Qureshi1975]

Even though I am not a supporter of MQM or want to be called Mohajir I would like to respond - but I belong to the group you are addressing here.

I believe you are getting too technical with not much effect. Contrary to what you would you like to believe the reality is that Pakistanis are mired in all sort of identities based on ethnicity, language, tribes, biradaries, etc etc. The people who migrated to Pakistan at the time of Partition largely didn't belong to a contiguous group. They were from different parts of regions now part of India and other than the language they didn't have anything common. They didn't pick this term to be identified - if you do some research on this topic you would find that the documents are replete with this term being used for people who made that decision to adopt a new country. Largely due to differentiate themselves from the tribal and ethnically focused indigenous peoples of Pakistan. Since there were no other terms to identify this large group of people except for some derogatory ones used by the locals the term mohajir stuck. Its not a very technical term but whatever was available and used at the time was carried on by people.
Have you seen those confession of target killers - did you notice the interrogator insistently asking question about the "zaat" - its the norm to use a term to identify as is the norm. If you go to any place in Pakistan you will asked where are you from - people want to know whether you are a punjabi/sindhi/baloch/pathan/seraiki/urdu-speaking and once they establish the larger association they try to pry into more specifics based on region/tribes/biradaree etc.

As with any people adversity brings them closer and sometime unite under a term or arrangement even if they belong to disparate backgrounds and communities as is the case with urdu speaking population of urban sindh. No one is planning to go anywhere - I am sure many will be disappointed but we are a reality and are here to stay ;-)

How you define muhajir as a nation like punjabi sindhi pakhtoon baloch siraiki?

 

[CA 5 O]

Wow, yeh hota hai sahi aur sincere open challenge...jao court le ker is banday ko agar sachay ho....

kaash, woh sab log jo is altaf ghunday ke barey mein evidence de saktey hain, samney aayen because is shaitan ko kefre kirdar tak pohnchaney ka time aa geya hai. Karachi ki awaam tang aa chuki hai is shaitan se.

Allah is major ki hifazat karey, Ameen.

 

[alimohsan52]

No one is planning to go anywhere - I am sure many will be disappointed but we are a reality and are here to stay ;-)

Do not use your ethnicity to portray yourself as a victim. This sentence of yours sounds fake.

Secondly, No one has picked an issue with Urdu speaking people, the issue is with MQM. But maybe you need to encourage people to integrate into society as you would do in Europe, as opposed to considering yourself as an 'Immigrant'

Thirdly, If you are not going anywhere, then the Punjabi, Sindhi, Baloch and Pathan people are not going to go anywhere either.

 

[dahashatkush]

well done major sb maza to tub hy aap loug barhkian manray ki bijiay karachi mian logun ko gajir moli ki katwnay sy roko our in jesy kalay insnanoun ko us kay anjam tak punchiaoo..........awam khob paseenay sy piat kat kay tum ko palti hy iss liay nahi k kay wo rooz suba sham qatal hoty rhay hian.iss liay k wop sakoun ki zindagi guzar sakian

ye kala kisko bol raha hai ? tu khud jordanian arabs ke joote chaat raha hai, aur doosare ko second class citizen bana kar rakhna chahte ho ? agar kaale hai muhazir to tum kya angrej ho? you and all of your racist buddies are cowards ,when mqm tried to save the life of muhazirs you loosers used army police and i.s.i. .

the same behaviour was shown by likes of you in bangladesh , you racist used the same racist remarks about bangalis , ultimately genocide of 3 million so called kaala bangali muslims resulted as shame ful surrender of your so called gora army. they got rid of you and more happy than all of you racist talibani,

now you are doing same with balochis , killing them naming them as traitors when they retaliate like mqm all of the racist gora idiots start crying and howling wrong play by ordinary nuhazir and balochi.

what you will sow so shall you reap.

 

[alimohsan52]

I think there are many urdu speaking people on this forum who consider themselves as Pakistanis and not 'Immigrants', my friends like @maksyed @WatanDost @PkRevolution These people are real Pakistanis.

However some MQM apologists use their ethnicity card to portray themselves as 'Poor Mohajir People', 'Persecuted Mohajir people' 'Superior race to any other Pakistani' (This vibe is fairly evident in the tone of such people)

I have never heard such people ever say in unambiguous terms that the person who has made 'Urdu speaking' people suffer the most is Altaf Hussain! MQM-H is also from the same ethnicity and these are two warring factions who have a history of fighting each other. So is it not the truth that some urdu speaking people fight each other and are killed by their own, but for their political games MQM shifts the blame on others!!!

 

[Queue Farms]

kiayani is busy in DHA affairs try again later

 

[hans]

Here is an example, Sikh from British India came to BC, Canada in First World War. They are Still 100% Sikh today, they still speak there mother language there Religion is still Sikhism. They still eat roti, they enjoy there own Punjabi culture.... But they are 6th or 7th Generation Canadian Citizen. Most of the men are committed Sikh. Canadian Government is proud of there heritage.

Now tell me why should I be called a Sindhi or Punjabi? Even if I was born in Karachi.
Why should i be forced to read and write that is not in my culture.

Why should I not identify my self, from where my Biological Parents belong and practice my so called Indian culture? Why not?
Who gave you the right to Judge Me and my Bearing?

My right to vote, and my choice of Political affiliation.. is protected by Constitution of Pakistan. YOu can not be my Judge nor have power to lynch a society based on its ethnicity.

Are you even getting 2% of what I am saying...

Mera Veer

I agree with your analysis, a fourth generation person who still calls himself an immigrant when he was born in Pakistan, does he actually consider himself a Pakistani?

 

[mrk123]

How you define muhajir as a nation like punjabi sindhi pakhtoon baloch siraiki?

I guess you completely missed the point I was trying to make. Please read my post again and may be this time you will get the gist of what I am trying to say.

 

[Qureshi1975]

I guess you completely missed the point I was trying to make. Please read my post again and may be this time you will get the gist of what I am trying to say.

yes i read whole thing but your point is not valid as muhajir neither a nation nor caste. You can consult with UNDP for status of refugee which means muhajir.

 

[mrk123]

Hello?!?!

Do not use your ethnicity to portray yourself as a victim. This sentence of yours sounds fake.

Not sure making the font bigger gives more weight to the argument - does it? ;-)

You fail to mention which sentence made me sound fake? Would you care to elaborate - making generalized and sweeping statements doesn't help - it doesn't help Altaf Hussain would not help you either. By the way let me know where did you see the word "victim" in my post that you quoted. please use logical arguments and not show your bias against a group of people under the guise of hate for MQM ;-)

Secondly, No one has picked an issue with Urdu speaking people, the issue is with MQM. But maybe you need to encourage people to integrate into society as you would do in Europe, as opposed to considering yourself as an 'Immigrant'

I am not sure where to begin. First of all it shows clearly that you have no grasp of the topic you are trying to discuss. You obviously didn't read the post that I was responding to or didn't understand what the guy was saying and the line of argument I applied to explain to him where his contention of using semantics and technicality is flawed. I know that you would like to sell yourself as a self styled MQM basher which is fine with me even though I still have no idea what motivates you or whats your beef in this whole thing when you are not a victim of MQM's excesses - but you can't hide your bias toward a whole group of people under the guise of hating the MQM.

I can answer you and break it down for you but I don't want to do that since you didn't follow or understood what was being discussed. I am too lazy to explain the logic of what I am saying because you obviously no idea about the issue, the background or the perspective. I am not sure someone who himself claims to have born in the UK, raised in the UK, lives in the UK, who has no idea of the dynamics of Urban Sindh trying to portray as an expert on all issues faced by the people of Karachi - it all seems odd to me.

Why I say all of this - because I could tell that I was wasting my time talking to you about the intricacies of Urban Sindh politics to a guy who has no idea of realities on the ground.

Thirdly, If you are not going anywhere, then the Punjabi, Sindhi, Baloch and Pathan people are not going to go anywhere either.

This statement from you convinces me that you have not read the post that I was replying to. Again, I would advise that you can't just jump in the middle of a conversation and try to make sense of it even if you are the biggest expert on all things that have the words Mohajir, Urdu speakers MQM.....It will all make sense if you know the context of the dialog.

 

[mrk123]

Why don't you mention the names of those people like the ones you mentioned here?

Who gave you the right(born, raised and living in the UK) to hand certificates of citizenship to Pakistanis?

Whats the criteria for proving oneself 'real' pakistani - is that one has to agree to your senseless diatribe?

I would love for you to mention the names if you are accusing members here on this forum - generalizing and stereotyping because you can't follow the depth or width of the argument shows your incapability to grasp the topic instead of people being less patriotic.

My advise - take a chill pill.

I think there are many urdu speaking people on this forum who consider themselves as Pakistanis and not 'Immigrants', my friends like @maksyed @WatanDost @PkRevolution These people are real Pakistanis.

However some MQM apologists use their ethnicity card to portray themselves as 'Poor Mohajir People', 'Persecuted Mohajir people' 'Superior race to any other Pakistani' (This vibe is fairly evident in the tone of such people)

I have never heard such people ever say in unambiguous terms that the person who has made 'Urdu speaking' people suffer the most is Altaf Hussain! MQM-H is also from the same ethnicity and these are two warring factions who have a history of fighting each other. So is it not the truth that some urdu speaking people fight each other and are killed by their own, but for their political games MQM shifts the blame on others!!!

 

[mrk123]

yes i read whole thing but your point is not valid as muhajir neither a nation nor caste. You can consult with UNDP for status of refugee which means muhajir.

I will still advise you to read my post again - its pretty evident that you didn't read it or read into it for things that I didn't say.

IF you had read my post - the argument that I made in the FIRST line was that I am not for using the term Mohajir.

I NEVER mentioned that the urdu speaking people of Pakistan are a nation or a caste and the purpose of my post was to make that argument.

If you don't want to understand the argument and want to make this an argument and want me to agree with whatever you are saying then thats not going to happen ;-)

 

[LivePakistan]

MQM is another MUKTI BAHANI. Never trust any MQM leader words. These are just eye washes and duping naive Pakistanis. All the leader of MQM are against Pakistan and want Karachi a separate country on the pattren of Israel. There is should not be any doubt who is behind this conspiracy and MQM in tool in the hands of power where their coward leader is hiding like a rat. Everyone has to die one day and Altaf has no exception but why not die like a lion and true leader of the nation. MQM leaders tongues are more sharp than a knife and they are on the plan.

 

[nasirzaman]

:lol::lol::lol: aik naya zulfiqar mirza tapori aaya.ex major shaib jub duty per the to us waqt kaun roc raha tha tumhe ab kheaal aaraha hai aur ager tumhare pass saboot hen to adalat jayoo yehan kia bhoonk rahe hu seasat ki serhiyan cherh rahe hu ager tum such hu to adalat jayo sahi fauji bano gedar na bano jayo adalat tumhe sub pata hai sub tumhare samne huwa hai begairat ager sub tumhare samne huraha tha to aik major hute huwe khamosh khare dekhte rahe us waqt kuch na kia ab yaad aaraha hai(yapping) apni in herkaton ki waja se pak fauj ko or zeada badnam na karo ager koi saboot hen to adalat jayo berkian na maro chawal na hu to:lol::lol:

 

[Classof71]

I think MQM needs to know whats a meaning of Muhajir. Muhajir means people who take temp shelter and wants to go back home. Now they will give refference to Hijrats of Hazrat Muhammad pbuh to Habsha and Madina. In both Cases pbuh came back to Makah

The Holy Prophet (PBUH) never went to Makkah. I thought I might remind you descendants of Ranjit Singh...[hilar]

 

[maksyed]

Thanks to you Brother Ali Mohsin .....

I think there are many urdu speaking people on this forum who consider themselves as Pakistanis and not 'Immigrants', my friends like @maksyed @WatanDost @PkRevolution These people are real Pakistanis.

However some MQM apologists use their ethnicity card to portray themselves as 'Poor Mohajir People', 'Persecuted Mohajir people' 'Superior race to any other Pakistani' (This vibe is fairly evident in the tone of such people)

I have never heard such people ever say in unambiguous terms that the person who has made 'Urdu speaking' people suffer the most is Altaf Hussain! MQM-H is also from the same ethnicity and these are two warring factions who have a history of fighting each other. So is it not the truth that some urdu speaking people fight each other and are killed by their own, but for their political games MQM shifts the blame on others!!!

My Friend, I myself live in Karachi near 90 (an urdu speaking person), Allhumdullilah, I born Muslim first & then "Only A PAKISTANI", regardless of urduspeaking tag, that always mentioned by all wings of MQM whether it will Altaf Choran wala group Or Haqqiqi ..... I think its enough for you ......

Why don't you mention the names of those people like the ones you mentioned here?

Who gave you the right(born, raised and living in the UK) to hand certificates of citizenship to Pakistanis?

Whats the criteria for proving oneself 'real' pakistani - is that one has to agree to your senseless diatribe?

I would love for you to mention the names if you are accusing members here on this forum - generalizing and stereotyping because you can't follow the depth or width of the argument shows your incapability to grasp the topic instead of people being less patriotic.

My advise - take a chill pill.

 

[mrk123]

Are you trying to tell me something? Or are you jumping in the middle of the conversation without knowing the context?

Thanks to you Brother Ali Mohsin .....



My Friend, I myself live in Karachi near 90 (an urdu speaking person), Allhumdullilah, I born Muslim first & then "Only A PAKISTANI", regardless of urduspeaking tag, that always mentioned by all wings of MQM whether it will Altaf Choran wala group Or Haqqiqi ..... I think its enough for you ......

 

[Qureshi1975]

The Holy Prophet (PBUH) never went to Makkah. I thought I might remind you descendants of Ranjit Singh...[hilar]

Oh really thats why your ancestor allowed to brought "Manat" bring to sub continent in front you like to bow down.(bigsmile)