MQM has tried to hijack the word "Mohajir".. The Myth and the truth

[UKPakistani]

After my very good friend @gotti tried to convince me that the word "Mohajir" was invented specifically for him and those like him exclusively. Born in Pakistan and will die in Pakistan types

He further tried to convince me that there are only certain people in Pakistan and no where else who can call themselves "Mohajir"

I did a little research and found two historically important references to the concept of Mohajir

One is the obvious one when the Holy Prophet PBUH, migrated from Mecca to Madinah, those who went were referred to as Muhajiroon.

My friend @gotti dismissed that reference as Amazing and conspicuous presentation of the word "Mohajir"

so then this exchange took place:-

The word was invented to refer to a community who was being mistreated, oppressed and discriminated against so they would be clumped together into one community as they did not have enough numbers as other communities and weren't a monolithic community because their forefathers migrated from different parts of India and not just one with a mass migration like in Punjab.

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Amazing and conspicuous presentation of the word "Mohajir" and also the lack of relating it to the community

look up this name

Ahmad al-Muhajir (820-924) (Arabic: أحمد المهاجر‎) also known as Al-Imam Ahmad bin Isa was the descendant of Ali bin Abu Talib and Fatimah bint Muhammad, the daughter of Muhammad. He was the son of ‘Isa the son of 'Ali al-Uraidhi[SUP][1][/SUP] who was the fourth son of Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq, a fifth generation descendant of the Prophet Muhammad. His full name is Ahmad ibn Isa Ar-Rumi ibn Muhammad An-Naqib ibn 'Ali al-Uraidhi ibn Ja'far al-Sadiq ibn Muhammad al-Baqir ibn Zayn al-Abidin ibn al-Husain ibn Ali bin Abu Talib. He is thought to have been born in 241 Hijrah (820 CE).[SUP][2][/SUP]
Al-Imam Ahmad bin Isa is called Al-Muhajir (emigrant) because he left Basra, Iraq during the Abbassid Caliphate that was headquartered in Baghdad in the year 317H (896 CE). He first went to Madinah and Mecca, and then from Mecca to Yemen at around 319H.


now tell me the word was "invented" to describe the retarded pig from edgware and his sad pathetic woshippers like you







So I felt it important that this concept that the word "Mohajir" can only refer to those who left bits of India to move to a specific part of Pakistan should be shown to be what it is a lie..... or a distortion or as I think of it, HIJACKING a concept that has existed since the time Islam began

Discuss

 

[panasonic]

Thousand of people has mqm phobia. They do not sleep untill they post stupid thread on siasat.pk,. All admin and moderator approved this kind of thread.
Walfare people of UK has no work they make money part time posting against mqm.

 

[UKPakistani]

Thousand of people has mqm phobia. They do not sleep untill they post stupid thread on siasat.pk,. All admin and moderator approved this kind of thread.

and all the worshippers and apologists of the edgware pig bin hanuman visit threads like this 1 and make retarded responses like the above one :)

and then when they get a response like this, they shut their dirty little terrorist loving filty mouths and run away. because they can taste their own manur e in their mouths

 

[indigo]

LOL same gotti who was crying all over my posts...

 

[Star Gazer]

Any one who migrates to another country specifically for religious reasons in the context of Islam is a mohajir.
By this definition my whole tribe is a mohajir because not s ingle person stayed behind in India after 1947. The tribe settled in Punjab because they immigrated from Jalandhar.
I am the next generation of this tribe born in Pakistan. My tribe has never called themselves mohajirs, we are Pakistanis. My ethnicity is Pathan but having settled in Punjab we are Punjabis and speak Punjabi as a sign of respect for the people who accepted us.
Who in Pakistan is not facing problems, not only the members of mqm,but mqm has made a profession of this distinction for economical and political reasons.

Yes they have misused the word and time to challenge them. mqm is basically targetting urdu speaking people but the myth has busted as the great Quaid chose Urdu as the national language and now we all speak Urdu, so mqm really has no ground for their existence. mqm members are Sindgis if in Sindh and Punjabi if in Punjab or so on.
AH is now British in Britain, he does not call himself mohajir in Britain,why not?

 

[alimohsan52]

I think there are some sympathizers on this forum who may not directly support MQM, but have sympathy for them because they belong to the same ethnicity and become defensive and over sensitive when ever the name or word "Mohajir" is mentioned.

There is a false impression given almost as if they are poor and have been persecuted, which I do not believe is the case. These people need to get out of this narrow mindset.

 

[alimohsan52]

Sometimes I believe that we are overly "Politically correct" which we should not be. If you go onto any forum MQM members are openly swearing at Punjabi people and call them "Raja Ranjit Singh Kee nasal" this is the sort of abuse that is given by these racists.

 

[Star Gazer]

Sometimes I believe that we are overly "Politically correct" which we should not be. If you go onto any forum MQM members are openly swearing at Punjabi people and call them "Raja Ranjit Singh Kee nasal" this is the sort of abuse that is given by these racists.

For the sake of discussion, even if I accept that all those living in Punjab are Punjabis by ethnicity and nasal of Ranjit Singh this only makes us more respectable because our ancestors chose Islam concsiously. And to top it we know our ancestor CAN the mqm people tell me who their ancestor is or was?

 

[UKPakistani]

Sometimes I believe that we are overly "Politically correct" which we should not be. If you go onto any forum MQM members are openly swearing at Punjabi people and call them "Raja Ranjit Singh Kee nasal" this is the sort of abuse that is given by these racists.

sorry I do not give a toss for political correctness and you know me well enough to know that. I hte these furkin terrorist pigs no ifs or buts, and I will do ALL I can to do them the maximum harm however insignificant in the greater scheme of things

For the sake of discussion, even if I accept that all those living in Punjab are Punjabis by ethnicity and nasal of Ranjit Singh this only makes us more respectable because our ancestors chose Islam concsiously. And to top it we know our ancestor CAN the mqm people tell me who their ancestor is or was?

dost we are ALL descended either from hindus or sikhs, if we come from that part of the world

I do not have an issue with that. I know white British Muslims descended from Jews and Christians and atheists.........

all muslim now,,,, what is the problem. One Ummah regardless of colour or race
[MENTION=8742]Star Gazer[/MENTION]
[MENTION=23843]alimohsan52[/MENTION]

tag this thread please mqm does not own the word mohajir

 

[wadera]

This is a typical MQM mentality that:

1. They have patent rights to speak on behalf of urdu speaking community
2. They have intellectual property rights on the word muhajir
3. Karachi was originally part of Bihar and UP
4. The only oppressed ethnicity in this world is MQM ethnicity

MQM is a cancer ... get rid of it soon...

 

[alimohsan52]

sorry I do not give a toss for political correctness and you know me well enough to know that. I hte these furkin terrorist pigs no ifs or buts, and I will do ALL I can to do them the maximum harm however insignificant in the greater scheme of things



dost we are ALL descended either from hindus or sikhs, if we come from that part of the world

I do not have an issue with that. I know white British Muslims descended from Jews and Christians and atheists.........

all muslim now,,,, what is the problem. One Ummah regardless of colour or race
@Star Gazer
@alimohsan52

tag this thread please mqm does not own the word mohajir

I have tagged this thread

 

[Engineer]

We all know very well what MQM is. What they do and how they do it. What they say about rest of provinces. After that no sensible person will take sides with MQM. All the Sikh and other stuff apart and who converted to whom and where who came from, useless conversation these days.

Now the reply to the actual tread. The reasons for calling themselves MOHAJIR might be true when people came to some extent, but today its baseless no one I repeat no one is a mohajir now. 3rd 4th generation is living in Pakistan now for goodness sake. They are all Pakistanis as we are. This is just baseless propaganda from MQM to keep ill literate and ill informed people on there side. We all should help them and educate these people that they are Pakistanis.

 

[UKPakistani]

The word was invented to refer to a community who was being mistreated, oppressed and discriminated against so they would be clumped together into one community as they did not have enough numbers as other communities and weren't a monolithic community because their forefathers migrated from different parts of India and not just one with a mass migration like in Punjab.

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:lol: @UKPakistani the idiot

The person who posted made no relevant point in the post and came to her own conclusions when I never once stated that this is only time the word was used. I stick by my stance. Mohajir in the context of Pakistani politics or demography refers to those who migrated from majority Hindu areas from India and not strictly based on the definition of the word.

Just answer one very simple point. If the word was "INVENTED" as you say after 1947.........

I gave you references to it, from a thousand years before.

But you still maintain it can only refer to those YOU say it refers to ?

Sorry but anyone who moves anywhere else to live is a "Mohajir" full stop.

Its NOT even an Urdu origin word, but like the rest of the language made up of bits and peices fro many others.

مهاجرis an Arabic word meaning immigrant.[SUP][1][/SUP] The Islamic calendar Hejira starts when Muhammad and his companions left Mecca for Medina in what is known as Hijra. They were called Muhajirun. The Arabic root word for immigration and emigration is Hijrat. Over centuries, the term has been applied to a number of other Muslim refugee and emigrant groups:

• Muhajir Khwarezm, the Muslim refugees that escaped Genghis Khan's Mongol invasion of Muslim lands in 13th century; they settled in other Muslim lands not touched by the conquerors. Maulana Jalaluddin Rumi fled Afghanistan and settled in Anatolia (modern Turkey) to escape the Mongol army
• Muhajir (Albania), Albanians that used to live in Serbia (near Nis and Prokuplje). Approximately 30,000 ethnic Albanians retreated from the captured areas (partly under duress)[SUP][citation needed][/SUP], seeking refuge in Kosovo and Metohia, while tens of thousands of Serbs fled Kosovo and Metohia for Serbia ahead of unleashed bashibozouks, irregular auxiliaries of Ottoman troops. As a consequence, thousands of Albanians settled in Kosovo where they live today.
• Muhajir Crimean, the converted Muslim refugees of Crimean ancestry, Crimean Tatars, that settled in Ottoman Empire after the Russian Empire captured the Crimea from the Muslim Crimean Khanate.
• Muhajir (Caucasus), the Muslim population of Caucasus resettled in Ottoman Empire and Middle East after the Caucasian War
• Muhajir (Turkey), the Muslims of Balkan ancestry that settled in Turkey after the collapse of Ottoman Empire
• Muhajir people (Pakistan), Muslim immigrants from India, Burma and other parts of South Asia that migrated to present-day Pakistan and Bangladesh after 1947 and are predominantly native Urdu speakers
• Palestinian refugees, Arab refugees, mostly Muslim, who migrated from the territory that became Israel, and are now mostly in neighbouring countries
• Afghan refugees, Muslim muhajirs from Afghanistan who escaped the Soviet invasion in 1979 until the 2001 U.S. invasion in which the Taliban government was overthrown. The vast majority of them settled in Pakistan as well as in Iran
• Rohingya refugees, Muslim refugees from Burma in Bangladesh and Pakistan

Now please convince me, whilst continiouslly insulting me in every sentence, because that really is all you have left is to insult again and again. Well knock yourself out

write an essay on that...........

and convince us YOU are the only "Mohajirs" and the word was "Invented" for you alone...........

• Muhajir people (Pakistan), Muslim immigrants from India, Burma and other parts of South Asia that migrated to present-day Pakistan and Bangladesh after 1947 and are predominantly native Urdu speakers

PS you really ought to be screaming about that reference.............. nowhere does it mention your lot alone apart from urdu speaking bit.... and it says burmese and people from other parts of south asia are mohajirs. Nothing about Mohajir QOUM or that nonsense you are no different than those living in Bangaldesh and elsewhere. It could even refer to those who went the other way... Pak to India ALL Mohajirs.

 

[wadera]

Mqm is not all Urdu-speaking and not all Urdu-speaking are MQM. If anyone hates MQM, it's me, so I would hope that you stop hiding behind your political allegiance of being anti-MQM and come out with the hatred you have for a specific community as it is obvious from what you said above that MQM is being used by you, euphemistically to blast a specific ethnicity.

This proves my point number 4 i.e. only you folks are the oppressed ones.

If it wasn't for Sindhis like you, Sindhis (new and old) would have been united and never have had to face Punjabi colonialism but its the divide and rule that is beneficial to them and you are playing into their hands. If Sindhis can get over the fact that Sindh was always theirs for 1000s of years, the people who have the only port of Pakistan, of which both communities have had a share could've been united and there could've been a balance of power. Now, it's just my way or the highway with them.

Your gross generalization on one side but your statement is amazing that its Punjabis that are the problem. Let me ask you ..few simple things and hopefully you will have the decency to answer honestly:

1. Do you speak Sindhi? Do you know any migrant speaking Sindhi? Without integration it is YOU people who are bent upon divisions.

2. It is us Sindhis who welcomed you people with open arms but see what we are getting from your beloved MQM .. they are murdering. So, tell me you think you people are so freaking innocent not to realise such simple fact?

3. If you live in Karachi, why do you refer to people who leave for other parts of Sindh to say that 'Sindh jaa rahe ho' .. freaking idiot .. Karachi is Part of Sindh too.

By the way your above comments really resonate on my point 3 I made earlier. The people are now talking about my way or the highway because it were your migrant parents who left us with no choice.

At will they conduct operations wherever they please, in interior Sindh during Nawaz and Zia's time and elsewhere in the country without any opposition from any lobby as you don't allow any lobby to exist because you're hung up on Mohenio Daro.

Dude - grow up will you. The operation is necessary and any murderer, criminal must be hung or shot. It doesn't matter what ethnicity or political affiliation they have. The biggest murderers are MQM themselves, can you take oath on your mother and father that they are innocent of murders and extortion???

Even Saleem Safi, a Pashtun, understands that unity among Karachi Pashtuns and Mohajirs is important to offset those who raise slogans of "60%" but Zardari wanted to promote it against "chor" of his city. Migrations happen, lands and countries changes, get over it. Istanbul is not Constantinople but by your logic, it should still be. Same would go for Makkah (it was a city of idols) and Medina (yathrib)

Again .. you are not making your case any better by quoting someone like Saleem Safi. Secondly, people who migrated to other parts integrate well. Unlike you people who don't speak the language, don't make an effort and what is worst is you think you are some how God sent and locals must accept your culture and values. So, if you are really honest and objective .. you will understand.

It's sad, it's just bigoted people like you who just don't get it.

Everyone on this forum knows who is a bigot or a moron or a nut head. Just re-read your dishonest post and you will know that. It is really sad when people who have been brainwashed by their families and told half of the story come out to present their state of mind on a public forum.

Lastly, yes .. it is your people who migrated that spit paan.. and do tell me whether you are willing to take oath on your father and mother to say that MQM are innocent of murder and bhatta khori .

As far as I am concerned, I don't give a damn about any party or any individual .. so don't think everything as a conspiracy.

 

[UKPakistani]

:lol: @UKPakistani the idiot

You guys should vote for Punjabi-nationalists and supremacists like Nawaz in the future, as that is highly reflective of your small-minded thinking and not inclusive like Imran, who at this point has all Mohajirs in his top brass.

Just saw that [hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar]

show me which one is going around saying I am a Mohajir and everyone hates me because of it from the "top brass" of PTI

Or is this the most daring nefarious dastardly plan that MQM has ever conceived............ to infiltrate PTI with Mohajirs.. and they don't even know it

Cunning............ I like it. Must be AH's Mossad connection at work

 

[UKPakistani]

:lol: @UKPakistani the idiot

You guys should vote for Punjabi-nationalists and supremacists like Nawaz in the future, as that is highly reflective of your small-minded thinking and not inclusive like Imran, who at this point has all Mohajirs in his top brass.

I am not a PTI guy so mentioning SMQ won't do you any favours and neither would him being accepted into PTI. The real question is, why is the party of the "masses" a home to such people (SMQ was in it, then) to begin with. How can these "peers" be revolutionaries and "mazlooms" fighting against so called oppression of the establishment when they are tyrannical oppressors themselves?

Someone make sense of this "man" please...............

Imran Khan is surrounded by ALL Mohajirs, who are making PTI a home to tyrannical oppressors............
@gotti maybe you now mean anyone who changes political parties PPP to PML N PPP to PTI etc are all

 

[gotti]

Someone make sense of this "man" please...............

Imran Khan is surrounded by ALL Mohajirs, who are making PTI a home to tyrannical oppressors............
@gotti maybe you now mean anyone who changes political parties PPP to PML N PPP to PTI etc are all

I'll just hit dislike to indicate the lack of sense being made in a nonsensical jargon filled post.

If however I feel something can be made sense of through what I say as a response and can serve to educate them or start a fruitful debate, I'll reply. Till then, you're in my sh!tlist like [MENTION=22347]IhsanIlahi[/MENTION] and his haramkhoron ki family jo kay raashi aur jahannumi hain aur mulk o qaum ka khoon choos rahay hahain

 

[UKPakistani]

I'll just hit dislike to indicate the lack of sense being made in a nonsensical jargon filled post.

so i take it you now accept saying you and the retards like altaf are hijacking the word Mohajir to mean something which is not the case, and that Muhajirs exist all around the world and have done for centurires. It follows therefore that for any group to claim that the term mohajir only applies to them and no one else is the biggest lie told by the retard Altaf and his slaves cronies apologists supporters sympathisers and sycophants

 

[A.G.Uddin]

[MENTION=23831]UKPakistani[/MENTION] !

MQM actually knows the trick of distorting history and tampering with stats and facts.So nothing new.

 

[UKPakistani]

The word was invented to refer to a community who was being mistreated, oppressed and discriminated against so they would be clumped together into one community as they did not have enough numbers as other communities and weren't a monolithic community because their forefathers migrated from different parts of India and not just one with a mass migration like in Punjab.

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I'll reiterate my point for the millionth time. The word is in reference to a community that within the Pakistani context calls itself Mohajirand will not go back on doing so upon your stubborn insistence.

are those two the same ?

Thats NOT what you said before when you said the word was INVENTED ............. is it ?

I assume thats a yes that you are lying when you say you are the only mohajirs in the world

and refuse to let anyone else call themselves Mohajir ?

You can call yourself what you like I do not mind, but do not be offended if I refuse to let you hijack a word which in its literal meaning applies more to me and others than it does to someone born in Pakistan and will die there

PS Places like USA Canada South America Australia NZ etc

were conquered and developed by Mohajirs.....

Islam was spread by Mohajirs,

Mohajirs are responsible for fulfilling all kinds of labour shortages globally

Discuss