Molvi Tokka - Another Ajooba from Pak - Why does he have that Toka?

[mhwaqar]

What can you expect from people having wrong Islamic believes......

If you have correct believes nobody will be able to fool you. Even Zaid Hamid was fooled by Yusuf Kazab due to having wrong Islamic believes.

Some of the correct Islamic believes are as follow:

- Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) are dead. He (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) was neither Hazir Nazir (حاضر ناظر) while he (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) and nor Hazir Nazir (حاضر ناظر) after his death.

- This claims that someone has seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream now, can not be accepted with 100% confidence because only Sahaba (RA) who had seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) physically and could recognise Prophet Muhammad's (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) face can say with 100% confidence that they actually saw him (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).

- Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) did not know the Ilm-ul-Gaib unless was revealed to him via Vahi (وحی). The Vahi (وحی) has been discontinued since the dead of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).

- A Muslim does not need Waseela of a Qabar or dead person so that his / her duas are heard by Allah. Allah can hear everybody directly.

- No peer Faqeer is capable of doing any Muajzat (معجزات).

Wrong Islamic believe are promoted by fraud peer, faqeer and walis because Muslims having wrong Islamic believes are easy prey (شکار) for their business.

zara quran shareef or ahadees e mubaraka sa saboot to lao samnay

 

[karachiwala]

He should be picked up from his area so that he may not spread shirk . Such mullahs need proper koranic and Islamic guidence and permission for his speach. Our religious scholars and (ullama-e-haq) should make some law and course to become molvi for the education of mass people. Simple criticism
doesn't fulfill our duties ? Now the question is --- who will make the law for such people ? How it will be implemented ?
Our day to day problem is high prices of Food, water, electricity and corruption.

Agree with you brother that these type of people are destroying the image of all good Ulema-e-Haq. But people on this forum are becoming imams them selves. They label every alim as mullah forgetting it was the ulema who safe guarded Islam the Islam. It is Ulema who conveyed Islam. Now today a kazzab has come up. I am not even sure if his religion allows him to make istinja properly as not sure what beliefs/aqaid yousuf kazzab had except that he got an english language certificate from Abdullah Shah Ghazi in Karachi proclaiming him to be a khalifa (by the way judge who sentenced him to death used this as one of the reason for his decision). This they like as the certificate was in English no doubt. Not sure if any one had time to read about the sacrifices the Ulema gave but almost everyone has read the conquests of british empire.

It is very understandable to go to a Cardiologist if you have a heart attack. None of these would go buy a book of medicine and try and cure himself but when it comes to Islam we are all learned. I keep asking one simple question about the comrades of kazzab "what if he turned out to be a liar in the end, will you truly be able to face Rasoolullah on the day of judgment?"

 

[khanpanni]

what a loser and jahil molvi

I think you are a young boy, let me know your age ? Do you like blond girls ( woman ) ?

Always remember ( surit gitni bholi bhali searit autni hie **** ) shadi karna pasand karoo ghai ?
I have been every where !

 

[khanpanni]

Agree with you brother that these type of people are destroying the image of all good Ulema-e-Haq. But people on this forum are becoming imams them selves. They label every alim as mullah forgetting it was the ulema who safe guarded Islam the Islam. It is Ulema who conveyed Islam. Now today a kazzab has come up. I am not even sure if his religion allows him to make istinja properly as not sure what beliefs/aqaid yousuf kazzab had except that he got an english language certificate from Abdullah Shah Ghazi in Karachi proclaiming him to be a khalifa (by the way judge who sentenced him to death used this as one of the reason for his decision). This they like as the certificate was in English no doubt. Not sure if any one had time to read about the sacrifices the Ulema gave but almost everyone has read the conquests of british empire.

It is very understandable to go to a Cardiologist if you have a heart attack. None of these would go buy a book of medicine and try and cure himself but when it comes to Islam we are all learned. I keep asking one simple question about the comrades of kazzab "what if he turned out to be a liar in the end, will you truly be able to face Rasoolullah on the day of judgment?"

I think you are mixing 2nd topic with this molvi toka walla ?
It is up to Allah to decide , but by the way what is happening or coming from Danamark is far from your reach an you cant do proper protest isnt it ???

 

[billo786]

Molvi tokka another fitna, sand him to zoo if not sand him to jungle .

 

[aleeza100]

To khanpanni
tumhary swal ky jawab main may sirf itna kahna pasand karon gi ky tum intahai ghatiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa insan ho. The way you express your yourself show that your background is also very ghatiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Shame on you And always think before you write.

 

[khanpanni]

To khanpanni
tumhary swal ky jawab main may sirf itna kahna pasand karon gi ky tum intahai ghatiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa insan ho. The way you express your yourself show that your background is also very ghatiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Shame on you And always think before you write.

I am very sorry for any insult or ill feeling. It was in my mind that only the males are on chat . I am as well father of a daughter and it was just a joke !
Please dont take it so sereous I respect nearly every person and religion and behave like muslim according to sunnah and these lines are coming to from
europe .
With douwas and salam Ok dont be angry !!!!

 

[aleeza100]

I am very sorry for any insult or ill feeling. It was in my mind that only the males are on chat . I am as well father of a daughter and it was just a joke !
Please dont take it so sereous I respect nearly every person and religion and behave like muslim according to sunnah and these lines are coming to from
europe .
With douwas and salam Ok dont be angry !!!!

its ok........

 

[khanpanni]

its ok........

Please do write somthing your ideas in this forum ? As you are in U.A. E improve your arabic and then perhaps some persion and urdu and english.
It will help you in the future life every where ! If you read Quran with its meaning then you will also get all the answers of life . Do read both arabic
quran and the meanings, very importent .

i wish you and your family good luck and prosperous future,

Allahhafiz !!!

 

[ALI ARYAN]

Please think before you write any nonesence OK. I argu with arguments . How you stop this (toka Molvi) spreading the shrik ? Picking him away means to teach him the right path of Mohammad(PBUH) they way he did.
Somebody who is muslim and you abuse, name or blame is highly punishable according to Quran. Dont take it so light. I am a muslim and nothing to do with your (Bhai Altaf) in my eyes a problem creater and lot of aligations are with him.

Introduce your names if you have courage and knowledge or use atleast nice coments !

This is another example of non acceptance, yeh woh log hain jinko her jaga Altaf Nazar aata hai, Nakara Zehan or Band soch ke malik, inke sochnay ki salahiyat salab kar lee gaye hai. Afsos Zang Aloodah soch ke BAchkana comment per.

 

[khan125]

What can you expect from people having wrong Islamic believes......

By the way who are you to decide what is wrong and what is right.
IF someone says Dr. Zakir Naik's beliefs are wrong then why no one has the authority to say that against any wahabi but you have every right to criticize any barelvi/ sunni alim.

If you have correct believes nobody will be able to fool you. Even Zaid Hamid was fooled by Yusuf Kazab due to having wrong Islamic believes.

Zaid Hamid never said he was fooled he still believes in yousaf kazzab's philosophy.
If what you said was right then there should have been no issue with Zahid hamid.

Some of the correct Islamic believes are as follow:

- Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) are dead. He (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) was neither Hazir Nazir (حاضر ناظر) while he (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) and nor Hazir Nazir (حاضر ناظر) after his death.

Please don't speak without knowledge and don't try to impose Wahabi ism here.
Pehley ja kr Saudi hukamrano se pocho k kaisey hukumat hasil kee ,khilafat tore kr Angrezo k talvey chat kr ,aaj zameer faroosh ore luterey hmain Islam sikhaien gey.

This is what quran says:
O Prophet! surely We have sent you as a witness, and as a bearer of good news and as a warner.
(Al-Ahzab, Chapter #33, Verse #45))

Surely We have sent you as a witness and as a bearer of good news and as a warner.
(Al-Fath, Chapter #48, Verse #8))

Merey khial me Witness ka matlab ata hoga k Witness kisey kehtey hain.Witness honey ki bunyadi shart kia he??????Jisey urdu me gavah kehtey hain.

- This claims that someone has seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream now, can not be accepted with 100% confidence because only Sahaba (RA) who had seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) physically and could recognise Prophet Muhammad's (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) face can say with 100% confidence that they actually saw him (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).

Its a shame that you still are saying this after being proved wrong when you tried to twist the meaning of hadyt to prove your wahabi idealogy.
just for a reminder i have quoted some text you can follow the link below.

Stop twisting the Ahadyt of the Holy prophet s.a.w.
Hadyt does not say that only those can see the holy prophet in dreams who have/had seen the prophet s.a.w in wakefulness.

"Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard the Prophet صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) saying, Whoever sees me in a dream will see me in his wakefulness, and Satan cannot imitate me in shape. Abu Abdullah said, Ibn Sirin said, Only if he sees the Prophet in his (real) shape. (Sahih Bukhari Book #87, Hadith #122)"

rather as i have highlighted it the first part of this hadyt is see me in dream.
second part is in future tense Will see me so its clear that seeing the Holy prophet while awake is not a condition for seeing him s.a.w in a dream.

on the other hand its a surety that whoever sees the holy prophet s.a.w in a dream will see him while he is awake.

Its a hyppocratic explanation from your side ,just to express your hatred against someone you twisted the HAdyt of the Holy Prophet s.a.w.

there is no Had/has or Have seen in this Hadyt it only has Will see.

Dont misguide people !!!

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?34771-Official-Response-of-Dr.-Tahir-Ul-Qadri-on-Objections-about-his-Dreams!!!&p=169124#post169124

- Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) did not know the Ilm-ul-Gaib unless was revealed to him via Vahi (وحی). The Vahi (وحی) has been discontinued since the dead of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).

Every Ilm is from Allah weather it is ghaib or hazir.Allah na chahiey to to phir to baat hi khatam lakin Allah ata krna chahey ya ata krey to kia Allah k paas kami he kisi cheez ki.
there is a difference between vahi and Ilm e ghaib.Allah jisko dena chahiey de Allah ko vahi ki hajat nhi.vahi ka talluq risalat se he nabuvat se he.ye aik protocol he jo Allah ore nabi k darmian me ha kisi ore k durmian ye talluk nhi.

Ilm to farishto k paas b he tabhi to insan ki takhleek k barey me kaha k ye zameen pe fasad krey ga.farishto pe to koi vahi nhi aiee.kia unhain Allah ne ilm nhi diya.
ye to farishto ki baat he ore insaan to ashraf ul makhlokaat he kis bina pe insan ashraf ho gaya saree makhlokaat se .zara sochna is pe.

hazrat asif bin barkhia jo hazrat suleman a.s k sahabi they unho ne palak jhapakney main malka bilqees ka takht darbaar me hazir kr diya .uska zikr quran me maujood he in alfaz me k uskey paas kitab ka kuch ilm tha.

abb khud andaza kr lo k hazrat suleman a.s ka aik sahabi jisko kitab ka kuch ilm tha uski takat ye he to jo imam ul ambiya hain rehmat e do jehan hain shah e lolaak hain unko Allah ne kia shan de hogee.Bs hmain aajzi se rehna sikhaya ghroor se mana kia.
aaj tum apni aukaat daikho ore zubaan darazi daikho.

- To prostrate (سجدہ) anybody including grave is SHIRK.

If someone thinks that the Person/grave is God or shares powers with God.This practice should be avoided even if the neyat is not shirkya.bcs it creates misconceptions and confusions.

But you cannot just call someone mushrik only by looking at his action ,so plz don't put such a big blame on anyone without knowing his /her neyat.

- A Muslim does not need Waseela of a Qabar or dead person so that his / her duas are heard by Allah. Allah can hear everybody directly.

- No peer Faqeer is capable of doing any Muajzat (معجزات).

Again i would say your only problem is that your one mission is to blame barelvies and promote wahabies so plz don't give one sided approach.

As far aas Waseela this is what Quran says:

Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo ittaqoo Allaha waibtaghoo ilayhi alwaseelata wajahidoo fee sabeelihi laAAallakum tuflihoona
( Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #35))

what do you say about a person who is not dead?????
Kia zinda se mangney se shirk nhi hota murda se mangney se shirk ho jata he???
zara samjaho ye kahani kia he zinda ore murda vali ..............

Baki tareekh bharee parhey hain Awlia karam ki karamaat se tum ankhain bund kr lo to tumhara masla tumhain dopehr me tareekey nazar aiee to noor teree ankhon me nahi soraj pe ilzam na ayad kr.

Wrong Islamic believe are promoted by fraud peer, faqeer and walis because Muslims having wrong Islamic believes are easy prey (شکار) for their business.

fraud koi b ho vo ghalat hi hota he chahey vo sheikhul hadyt he ya peer.
vesey ye takfeere fitna kis Peer ne promote kia jiski vaja se aaj saree dunya k musalmano pe aazmaish aiee hoee he.

Tum kia Israel a.s ko hazir nazir mantey ho..........vesey vo kaisey saree dunya main aik hi vakt me kaiee logo ki roohain qabaz kr letey hain......unhain kaisey pata chalta he k kiska vakt kab poora hona he kia koi alarm clock rakha hoa he..........ghaib ka il to tumharey argument k teht ho nhi sakta vahi ka b chakr khatm he to zara batana pasand kro gey ye sab kaisey hota he.....

chalo vo to Allah k mukarab farishta he shaytan jisko Allah ne apney darbaar se nikal diya saree dunya usey bura bhala kehtee he........vo to aik he ore insan to arbo ki taidaad main hain ore saari dunya main hain ,shaitan phir kaisey handl krta ho ga ,at a time vo aik bundey ko handle krta ho ga to 6 arab bando k baad us bandey ki baree aiey gee...........kia shaitan hazir nazir he............

itni takat iskey paas kaisey aa gaee ise to bezat kr k nikala gaya tha.Iski b zara vazahat kr dejiey ga.

 

[zaigham]

this is one example of light weight jahil molvi .. if u listen shia zakirs they are more then it ,,, i wish i become president of paksitan to cut them down for spreading this shirk among innocent people

 

[GulAhmad]

Maula jat ,molvi, yeh heeh dene-islam ki thake dar

 

[saeed khan]

:lol::lol::lol:

 

[kashnex]

I can't believe this .... !
He is making fun more than preaching. May Allah show us the Right PATH.

 

[HUNJRA]

Stupid molvi

oooooooooooooooooooooo sultan rahi zinda ho kay a gia aeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaay
buch kay raween ooooooooooooooooay

 

[saju78]

he is molvi or sultan rahii,i think some one make a movie and movie like this [uhtra molvi or jatt molvi or molvi gujjar,nice oyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[Malik495]

Gazoobhai,

Are you alright? I am not saying Zaid Hamid "imposter, kazzab, liar, hypocrite etc.". All I am saying that once he was trapped by Yousuf Kazab because of having incorrect Islamic believes.

Zaid Hamid has now denounced his affiliation with Yousuf Kazab. As a Muslim we should accept it. Only Allah know what is inside your heart.



I do not follow any maulvi from Tahuffuz or any other group. I only follow Qur'aan and Sunnah. I am not here to issue Takfiri fatwa on onyone. All I want is to educate my Muslim brothers so that do not follow blindly these maulvies and use your own brain. I am not saying that just start following my point of view. Don't follow me , follow Qur'aan and Sunnah (PBUH).Go and study and investigate and make your own decision. Islam is a religion of nature. It is a very simple religion. You do not need to be Aalim to understand and practice it. If you have any issue you may always consult Qur'aan and Sunnah (PBUH) yourself. You may take advise from scholars but make your own decision because these Aalims are sometime biased to a particular school of thought. Unfortunately, After the death of Dr. Israr Ahmed there are only a few true Scholar left. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) never instructed us to follow a particular school of thought. We must follow Qur'aan and sunnah (PBUH). If all Muslim follow Quraan and Sunnah (PBUH) then there would be no sects and division in Muslim. And Muslim can be united as per Allah's Order:

1. Allaah says: "And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allaah (i.e., this Qur'an), and be not divided among yourselves." Surah Aali-`Imraan [3:103]

2. And He says: "And do not be among the polytheists. Of those who split up their religion and became sects, each sect rejoicing in that which is with it." Surat-ur-Room [30:31-32]

3. "And if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it back to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and in the Last Day. That is more suitable for final determination." Surat-un-Nisaa' [4:59].

Brother 1947 i agree with you and if you have logic in your views then dont expect any reply from gazoo.. he wont reply you cz th only man on earth he knows is ZH the only alternative ......... chalo gazoo ji naara lagao aik baar phir....[hilar]

 

[Afsr]

Very much disappointed :( very sad , molana sahib kai action par hansi b arahi hai specially last mai aur afsos b ho raha hai bhalaa tokey ka kia kaam .Kia kahey insaan in ko baas yahi kai " Allah Pak hidayaat dey ,,,, ameen " .

 

[adnan78692]

what is this..?? Is it a type of Hypnotism...???
what is going on around us...????