Liberal Mind-Set se aik Sawal!

[BashirMuazzam]

Mera Liberal Extremists se aik sawal hai , I hope that the question will be answered by some Liberal with sanity.

The Question is : Dekha yeh gia hay ke jab koi musalman Hazoor pbuh ki sunnat pay amal kartay hoay darhee (beard) rakhta hai to us ke Liberal yaar dost ya relatives us ko Molvi, Mulla, Extremist, Soofi keh keay us ki tazheek kartay hain aur us ko mazaq ka nishana banatay hain.

Main Liberal mind-set se yeh poochna chahta hoon ke un ko Akhir darhee se inti nafrat kyun hay ? Kia aap bhool jatay hain ke this the sunnah of Prophet pbuh and all other messengers of Allah.

I myself is clean shaven but I never make fun of beard or the person having beard because I know this is the sunnah of Prophet.

Kia Darhee ka mazaq urana Nabi ka indirectly mazaq urana nahin ? Darhee se nafrat kyun ?

Please koi samajhdar, aqalmand liberal is ka jawab zaroor day.

Doodh peetay aur Zaehni maflooj bachon se guzarish hai woh is thread main hissa na lain................SHUKRIA!

 

[PakGem]

Can you please tell, how you define "Liberal"?? I think we are misleading people by the words "Liberals", "Fundamentalist" with our Interpretations of ISLAM. These words have nothing to do with Islam's Philosophy.

 

[Humi]

yes, we should not judge or make fun of eachother based on our looks...

having a beard doesnt mean you are a Mullah and a religious extremist who is looking for ways to control others' lives

not having a beard doesn't mean you are a liberal facist who thinks everyone with a beard is a terrorist

lets not judge eachother and try to co-exist peacefully

 

[atensari]

کلچر کے مارے لوگ بھول گئے ہیں کہ مغرب کی مشہور شخصیات جن کے یہ گن گاتے نہیں تھکتے داڑھی رکھتے تھے Jillet
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[m3zaidi]

My friend, the definition of liberal is as follows:

1. willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one’s own; open to new ideas:

• favorable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms
• (in a political context) favoring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate political and social reform.

2. [attributive] (of education) concerned with broadening a person’s general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training

This is the definition of a liberal and this is what i follow. Now their are other thoughts on liberalism as well, but this is my point of view on liberalism and according to these definitions i'd proudly call myself a liberal. Because according to these definitions Islam is also a liberal and accepting religion. Remember we Pakistani's have not taken the THEKA of Islam in our hands, all over the world Islam is practiced and those practices, views are totally different then what we practice in Pakistan, India, Afghanistan (the worst form of Islam).

Now according to the definition of Liberal, a person A shall never have a problem with person B and his appearance as long as person B doesn't force anything on Person A. So for a liberal a clean shaven or a bearded are acceptable and equal. It is actually the conservatives that have a problem with anyone who doesn't follow their sets of teachings, understandings, and philosophy.

The words are misused by the political and religious mafia in Pakistan to distort the truth and for their own personal gains. And this mullah, maulvi taunt is a cultural problem and it has got nothing to do with being a liberal or not. And it has all to do with stereo typing. And who so ever calls a bearded person a mullah or maulvi based on being a liberal is just falsifying his or her own philosophy of being a liberal therefore that person neither anyone else can call him or her a liberal at least not for those specific views. And according to me this debate itself is very petty, in Pakistan we have a lot more issues to deal with which are way more important. Just like you called liberal 'extremists' in the same way people call bearded men Mullahs and Maulvi's so we should look at both sides before drawing a conclusion and honestly it doesn't matter what any one calls any else. These are pointless debates by and for people who have shallow minds and a narrow thought process. Get over it.

 

[hammad78]

Mohtaram baat yeh hai ke Jin khwateen -o-Hazraat ke gharon mein un ke buzurg, baap, dada, nana, uncles etc. darhee nahin rakhtay aur un logo ne bachpan he say apnay gharon mein darhee wala na dekha ho to darhee se nafrat hona un ke leay fitri se baat ho gi. Aap dekheay! agar koi yahoodi ya sikh darhi rakhay to un ki apni he community ke log un ka mazaq nahin uratay lekin hum muslamano ko zara haal dekhain, hamara koi bhai darhi rakh lay to yeh sab us ka mazaq urain gay, yeh bhi zara nahin sochtay ke yeh indirectly Nabi ka mazq ura rahay hain aur phir khud ko pbuh ka ummati honay ka dawa bhi kartay hain.

I am also clean shaven but respect beard.

 

[hammad78]

Could you please define the word Mullah ? In old ages, the Mulla was a respectable word used for religious scholar. Why not now ? because we are under influence of Western propaganda ?

yes, we should not judge or make fun of eachother based on our looks...

having a beard doesnt mean you are a Mullah and a religious extremist who is looking for ways to control others' lives

not having a beard doesn't mean you are a liberal facist who thinks everyone with a beard is a terrorist

lets not judge eachother and try to co-exist peacefully

 

[Unicorn]

Dude, people who make fun of those who have beards are ignorant idiots. It has become fashionable to dub all bad things on liberals it has become a course word. I know in colleges kids like to tease and they will tease anyone whom they could. You can't call these teasers liberals they are teasers. I am a liberal at one time I kept a beard for a while and I found it very uncomfortable my skin was getting very itchy I was scratching quite often so I shaved it. You will find many many liberals with beards.

 

[Humi]

Could you please define the word Mullah ? In old ages, the Mulla was a respectable word used for religious scholar. Why not now ? because we are under influence of Western propaganda ?

well i used it in the terms that the general educated public percieves it to be these days becuase I was making the statement regarding their POV...i.e...someone who propogates hates or extremism in the name of religion..

 

[mrk123]

As with other things we are utterly confused about the term liberal. Our liberals are as confused if not more as our conservatives. These labels don't mean a thing if the people carrying these labels with pride don't even know what entails being a liberal or a conservative.

@m3zaidi has presented a good definition of a liberal. If you look at it the true liberals would encourage and respect diversity. Only a hack would object to choices that others make in their lives.

 

[tariisb]

اگر کسی کو اسکے ، مخصوس حلیہ کی بنا پر "مولوی" کہہ دیا جاۓ تو ، اس میں اسکا مذاق اڑانا نہیں ہوتا ، بلکہ یہ ہمارے معاشرے میں رائج ایک چلن ہے ، ہمارے ہاں "ٹریڈ مارک ازم" ہے ، ہر کوئی اپنی مخصوس پہچان کے ساتھ زندہ رہنا چاہتا ہے ، یہاں ہر کوئی اپنے نام سے نہیں ،بلکہ کسی بھی شناخت کو ترجیح دیتا ہے ، بٹ صاھب ، چوہدری جی ، حاجی صاحب ، حضرت ، علامہ ، مولانا ، محترم توحیدی جی ، قادری صاھب ، نقشبندی صاھب ، سیکولر ، دنیا دار, دین دار ، منافق ، وغیرہ وغیرہ ،
اب اگر کسی ، صوفی ازم کے شوقین کو ، قادری / نقشبندی صاھب کہہ کر پکارا جاۓ تو ، اسے اس میں ناراض ہونا یا بھڑکنے کی کیا ضرورت ؟ یہ رجسٹرڈ ٹریڈ مارک ، اسکا اپنا تخلیق کردہ ہے ،
ہمارے مذہبی کلچر میں اپنے ظاہری حلیہ سے خود کو دوسروں سے "ممتاز" بھی ثابت کرنا کا گھمنڈ بھی ہوتا ہے ، اسی وجہ سے 2 درجن سے زائد مذہبی جماعتوں ، گروپوں ، مسالک ، ہر کسی نے اپنی الگ ٹوپی ، عمامہ ، اور حلیہ اور نام "تخلیق" کر رکھا ہے ، جیسے اسلام انکے دل و کردار میں نہیں ، انکے "یونیفارم" میں ہے ،


جس طرح مذہبی ذہن کے لوگ ، کسی بھی پینٹ شرٹ میں ملبوس شخص ، یا بنی سنوری عورت کو دیکھ کر ، "گناہ گار" "ماڈرن" "مغربی طرز فکر" کے فتوے ٹھوکتے ہیں ، یہ بھی اسی طرح کا ایک رویہ ہے ، ہمارے ہاں ، کسی کا اخلاق ، کردار ، دیانت ، اور امانت سے زیادہ ، اسکا ظاہری ، حلیہ ہی معیار اور پیمانہ ہے ، سب اسی پر ہی فتوے صادر کرتے ہیں ، ​

 

[BuTurabi]

اِسلام میں داڑھی ہے، داڑھی میں اِسلام نہیں

مودودی صاحب کا یہ جُملہ تا روزِ حشر اپنی تمام تر معنویت کیساتھ ایسے ہر سوال کا جواب ہے

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اب کوئی اُٹھ کر کہہ دیگا کہ کھجور کھانا نبیِ اکرم کی سُنت ہے چنانچہ جو بھی کِسی کھجور خورے کا مذاق اُڑائے گا وہ بالواسطہ آپ pbuh کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے؟
بھائی میاں! کِسی داڑھی والے کا مذاق ہر گِز ہرگِز رسالتماب کا مذاق نہیں (نعوذباللہ) ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ایسے احمقانہ جذباتی اور سطحی قِسم کے سوالات سے پرہیز فرما کر ایک معقول اِنسان ہونے کا ثبوت دیں اور عزت کمانے کا کوئی اور طریقہ ڈھونڈیں۔ شُکریہ​

 

[sherkhan314]

Dude, people who make fun of those who have beards are ignorant idiots. It has become fashionable to dub all bad things on liberals it has become a course word. I know in colleges kids like to tease and they will tease anyone whom they could. You can't call these teasers liberals they are teasers. I am a liberal at one time I kept a beard for a while and I found it very uncomfortable my skin was getting very itchy I was scratching quite often so I shaved it. You will find many many liberals with beards.

Oh bhai tu kya hai? Someone calls you sikh in another thread. I thought you were hindu. You said you're a liberal. You also have a beard. Emraan Hashmi wali tou nahi? :P

 

[Lyallpur]

اِسلام میں داڑھی ہے، داڑھی میں اِسلام نہیں

مودودی صاحب کا یہ جُملہ تا روزِ حشر اپنی تمام تر معنویت کیساتھ ایسے ہر سوال کا جواب ہے

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اب کوئی اُٹھ کر کہہ دیگا کہ کھجور کھانا نبیِ اکرم کی سُنت ہے چناچہ جو بھی کِسی کھجور خورے کا مذاق اُڑائے گا وہ بالواسطہ آپ pbuh کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے؟ چنانچہ کِسی داڑھی والے کا مذاق ہر گِز ہرگِز رسالتماب کا مذاق نہیں (نعوذباللہ) ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ لِہٰذا ایسے احمقانہ جذباتی اور سطحی قِسم کے سوالات سے پرہیز فرما کر ایک معقول اِنسان ہونے کا ثبوت دیں اور عزت کمانے کا کوئی اور طریقہ ڈھونڈیں۔ شُکریہ​

Check these gentlemen below, they are god fathers and originators of secular, liberal thought process in science and society. Since when Islam has copy rights on beard? For good shave one needs good razor in personal possession. What will you say about Guru Nanak beard ?

 

[Unicorn]

Oh bhai tu kya hai? Someone calls you sikh in another thread. I thought you were hindu. You said you're a liberal. You also have a beard. Emraan Hashmi wali tou nahi? :P

O, yea and what about you:

 

[EniGma90]

اِسلام میں داڑھی ہے، داڑھی میں اِسلام نہیں

مودودی صاحب کا یہ جُملہ تا روزِ حشر اپنی تمام تر معنویت کیساتھ ایسے ہر سوال کا جواب ہے

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اب کوئی اُٹھ کر کہہ دیگا کہ کھجور کھانا نبیِ اکرم کی سُنت ہے چناچہ جو بھی کِسی کھجور خورے کا مذاق اُڑائے گا وہ بالواسطہ آپ pbuh کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے؟ چنانچہ کِسی داڑھی والے کا مذاق ہر گِز ہرگِز رسالتماب کا مذاق نہیں (نعوذباللہ) ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ لِہٰذا ایسے احمقانہ جذباتی اور سطحی قِسم کے سوالات سے پرہیز فرما کر ایک معقول اِنسان ہونے کا ثبوت دیں اور عزت کمانے کا کوئی اور طریقہ ڈھونڈیں۔ شُکریہ​

Ustad Jeee Nawa nawa thread tah bhai sahab ka, wo bhi itni dur se ap ney to aisi taisy kardi,[hilar][hilar]

 

[BuTurabi]

Check these gentlemen below, they are god fathers and originators of secular, liberal thought process in science and society. Since when Islam has copy rights on beard? For good shave one needs good razor in personal possession. [HI]What will you say about Guru Nanak[/HI] beard ?

ست سری اکال جو بولے سو نہال​

 

[awan4ever]

Darhi ka mazaq aur daarhi walay ka mazaq 2 alag batein hein.

Meray muhallay ka molvi intehai khoobsurat daarhi ka maalik hay per jab khutba denay mimber per beth-ta hay tu aisi firqa-warana aur nafrat say bharpoor batein kerta hay keh kisi muhazib mulk mein ho tu jail bhej diya jai. Ab uski baton ka mazaq uranay wala aur usko jahil mullah kehnay wala kiya daarhi ka mazaq ura raha hoga ya allama sahib ke jahalat ka?

Daarhi walay ko 'molvi' kehna koi mazaq ya toheen nahi. Hum ab 100% daarhi walay muahsray mein nahi rehtay is leaye hamaray han daarhi walay shakhs say akser logon ke pehli one-to-one mulaqat bachpan mein sipara perhanay walay qaari sahib say start hoti hay.
Shaid hamaray sub-conscious mind mein tab say daarhi=molvi ka concept beth jata hay.

Humaray haan aik aur masla ye hay keh jo bhai daarhi rakh ker sunnat poori kernay aur namaz roza kernay kay raastay per chal nikalta hay wo saath saath ye bhe apna farz samjhta hay keh her doosray clean-shave dost ko rah-e-raast per lanay ke koshish kerta hay laikin akser 'over-zealous' ho jata hay. Is mein bazahir tu koi burai nahi laikin 99% log aisa kertay huay kuch zu'am ka shikar hotay hein keh wo doosray say behter hein jis say wo logon ko apnay say 'chaaloo' ker detay hein. Aisay dost ko log 'molvi' kehna shuru ker detay hein kyunkeh wo bhe unko masjid mein mimber per barajaman molvi sahib ke tarah waa'iz he lagta hay.

Is leaye Thread-starter bhai sahib ke khidmat mein arz hay keh jo daarhi ka mazaq urata hay wo liberal nahi jaahil hay, bilkul isi tarah jis tarah koi conservative jo kehta ho keh jo bhe larki full-face niqaab nahi kerti wo 'gash-ti' hay.

Umeed hay apko mein 'doodh peeta aur zehni maflooj' nahi laga hoonga. Ager laga hoon to bhe koi baat nahi. Kia farq perta hay. ;)

 

[zhohaq]

Thread starters has a very valid point.
Just put a random guy with a beard picture on this forum and people go Berserk.
A women in Hijab or even a chadder or a many will even a mild darhi is treated like a Nazi by our
Gharabzadegi afflicted English speaking self identified "Liberal" class.
Infact this campaign is so successful that its permeated society at large.
Invariably this class comprising of much of our top brass of Army, Bureaucracy and Politicians has always been in power but has made the Mulla the scapegoat for all our nations sins.
When its has been their craven kleptocracy and engineered destruction of society lead to sectarianism, extremism etc. When convenient they always use and abuse religion to further their ends.

Jis din Imran Khan nai ya Nawaz Sharif or even AAZ nai darhi rakh li tou dekho un ki Media kya hashar karti hai.
Their political career would be over.

 

[peace4prosperity]

My friend, the definition of liberal is as follows:

1. willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one’s own; open to new ideas:

• favorable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms
• (in a political context) favoring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate political and social reform.

2. [attributive] (of education) concerned with broadening a person’s general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training

This is the definition of a liberal and this is what i follow. Now their are other thoughts on liberalism as well, but this is my point of view on liberalism and according to these definitions i'd proudly call myself a liberal. Because according to these definitions Islam is also a liberal and accepting religion. Remember we Pakistani's have not taken the THEKA of Islam in our hands, all over the world Islam is practiced and those practices, views are totally different then what we practice in Pakistan, India, Afghanistan (the worst form of Islam).

Now according to the definition of Liberal, a person A shall never have a problem with person B and his appearance as long as person B doesn't force anything on Person A. So for a liberal a clean shaven or a bearded are acceptable and equal. It is actually the conservatives that have a problem with anyone who doesn't follow their sets of teachings, understandings, and philosophy.

The words are misused by the political and religious mafia in Pakistan to distort the truth and for their own personal gains. And this mullah, maulvi taunt is a cultural problem and it has got nothing to do with being a liberal or not. And it has all to do with stereo typing. And who so ever calls a bearded person a mullah or maulvi based on being a liberal is just falsifying his or her own philosophy of being a liberal therefore that person neither anyone else can call him or her a liberal at least not for those specific views. And according to me this debate itself is very petty, in Pakistan we have a lot more issues to deal with which are way more important. Just like you called liberal 'extremists' in the same way people call bearded men Mullahs and Maulvi's so we should look at both sides before drawing a conclusion and honestly it doesn't matter what any one calls any else. These are pointless debates by and for people who have shallow minds and a narrow thought process. Get over it.

Dear m3zadi:::::: You are Liberal. Fine its your choice.
We Muslims are Conservatives.
According to your clarification, you are wrong because there is no space of liberalism in Islam. Islam is a religion of Globe and need people to spread around the globe to each and every human as a duty given to Muslims by Allah, as this duty was given to Prophets (AS) now as Prophet Mohammad pbuh is the last and final Prophet/Messenger of Allah, and now the same duty of spreading Islam is on every Muslim's shoulders.
now important point, that conservatives advice others that follow Islam as its better for them in this world and in here after. Now if a liberal wants to follow the path defined by DEVIL then conservative cannot do anything, just like firoon, hamman, karoon all followed there desires and followed DEVIL so they were ruined by ALLAH, but now in 21 century concepts of firoon etc are twisted to LIBRESIM, Sociolism etc to betray Humans and mislead them. Now we conservatives has a problem because we cannot see you people follow wrong path of destruction and invite others to your path and corrupt our Muslim society as its already destroyed and corrupted in western world. Now please don't import these rubbish concepts from west. Use your brain and think for yourself according to ISLAM.

Thanks.