Karachi Night Club . Mummy Daddy's and Burgers enjoying western types of night clubs .

[nvra911]

...How could we just forget that we must endorse and adopt our culture.

Dude, culture is a legacy gift handed to you by your ancestors. It is NOT an obligation.

Think of it this way, if you ancestors handed you a piece of land where they once used to grow crops, it you later find it useful to build a motorsport track over the same land to make a high return and better use out of it, then IT IS OKAY.

You can't just keep doing what your ancestors did 1400 years ago. That is what you call a rut and Muslims are stuck in it for almost a 1000 years now because of this kind of mentality.

I'm amazed at your word-choice of endorse and adopt. Dude, there is no such obligation. You can't 'shape' culture by force in a progressing society. Culture shapes itself like snowball rolling downhill.

 

[Jazaheer]

The matter is simple. Those who believe in Islam, know that there is a concept of modesty which the westernized society is a complete opposite in terms of dress and mingling. Why on everything there is a question of regression? It is not regression! It is something a muslim doesn't believe in and has been asked by islam to change himself! If you don't want to change! no problem! but don't say that it is not there! it is regression! What sort of a guy are you who claims himself to be a Muslim but don't accept Islam fully! if someone tries to talk to you! you just open up your mouth shouting and fabricating things! giving justifications! calling names! killing the other guy with reasons which are not reasons but only words filled with anger intended to hurt the other guy! Either you shut up or give solid reasons!

True sign of a fanatic: He would regress everything and every topic to a mother, sister and daughter issue.

Dude, what is this sick obsession with mothers, sisters and daughters?

Western societies have learnt the civility that rather than caging women in 'burqas' - they treat women outside of family like they would want their family members to be treated. This is a civil way. Caging women like poultry IS NOT.

Of course, bad things happen here too. They will always happen in any human society, even in a small percentage at least. But caging women like poultry-farm stock is hardly a solution.

Please tell me something - if a teenage boy hangs out with a girl and behaves with her the same way he wants his sister to be treated by her friend - what is wrong in that? It's the perfect scenario of 'do unto others..'

But no, fanatics of Fundamentalistan will NOT be at ease until they have every women caged up like some poor poultry-farm lot.

 

[albany]

still auntio ka mujray or khusray ka dance sa ziada ethical lg rha tha club

 

[nvra911]

The matter is simple. Those who believe in Islam, know that there is a concept of modesty which the westernized society is a complete opposite in terms of dress and mingling. Why on everything there is a question of regression? It is not regression! It is something a muslim doesn't believe in and has been asked by islam to change himself! If you don't want to change! no problem! but don't say that it is not there! it is regression! What sort of a guy are you who claims himself to be a Muslim but don't accept Islam fully! if someone tries to talk to you! you just open up your mouth shouting and fabricating things! giving justifications! calling names! killing the other guy with reasons which are not reasons but only words filled with anger intended to hurt the other guy! Either you shut up or give solid reasons!

Please read my response patiently. I would appreciate it if you try to understand my point of view with patience.



I know I've been rude to people here. I feel bad for it. And I apologise to all who I've hurt.

But, this doesn't mean that you can impose your ideas on to society.

Enough with this Islamist fever. There is a world outside of Islam too. The whole other world which has made some progress.

What has this Islamist fever given us all this time? Division, hatred, sectarian violence and rampant death.

If you want to be a Muslim, be that in your own private life. What sense does it make to oblige EVERYONE to do EVERYTHING in national life under the false pretence or Islam?

We are living a false hypocrisy in the name of Islam for 65 years. We've gotten no where while the rest of the world is accelerating away. For how long will you tolerate this tragedy?

All I talk about is to stop imposing ridiculous stuff like 'night clubs must be stopped', 'no one must drink', 'women must wear this dress or that dress', 'schools must teach this religion or that sect'.

There is a life outside of these issues. The 'real' life. Where food, economy, law and order and education matter. Yet it seems that we have been so much radicalised in the name of religion that we would happily stay poor and hungry as long as we can suck on the fake lolipop of religion in a hypocritic manner.

It amazes me that people here know fully well that there are millions of Pakistanis who sleep at night with hunger in their bellies - yet, yet, yet the same people argue with me that why have I written 'Gelatin is Halal' in my avatar. I hope that you can understand that 'halalism' of Gelatin or similar religious fanaticism come AFTER when we can feed, clothe and shelter all of us as a nation. I hope.

Give up this hard-line 'all or nothing' fundamental view of Islam. It has gotten us nowhere and it will take us no where.

 

[FaisalKh]

Happens dude. When there are no arguments to make - only fanatic ramblings. It happens.


Oh yeah sure, unlike some religion which has an organised way of snubbing punishment for rape by adding the the impossible errand of four witnesses. Very civilised then and very civilised now. Hats off to the liberty that religion has brought to women.

In the 'immoral West' if a woman is raped, the Police's investigation based on circumstancial evidence gets the rapist punished.

In 'moral Pakistan' if a woman is raped, and if she dare approach the Police, above everything she has to bring 4 witnesses or take punishment of بہتان.

*facepalm*

Forgive me if it offend u but are u Muslim? If yes then which sect?

 

[FaisalKh]

Please read my response patiently. I would appreciate it if you try to understand my point of view with patience.



I know I've been rude to people here. I feel bad for it. And I apologise to all who I've hurt.

But, this doesn't mean that you can impose your ideas on to society.

Enough with this Islamist fever. There is a world outside of Islam too. The whole other world which has made some progress.

What has this Islamist fever given us all this time? Division, hatred, sectarian violence and rampant death.

If you want to be a Muslim, be that in your own private life. What sense does it make to oblige EVERYONE to do EVERYTHING in national life under the false pretence or Islam?

We are living a false hypocrisy in the name of Islam for 65 years. We've gotten no where while the rest of the world is accelerating away. For how long will you tolerate this tragedy?

All I talk about is to stop imposing ridiculous stuff like 'night clubs must be stopped', 'no one must drink', 'women must wear this dress or that dress', 'schools must teach this religion or that sect'.

There is a life outside of these issues. The 'real' life. Where food, economy, law and order and education matter. Yet it seems that we have been so much radicalised in the name of religion that we would happily stay poor and hungry as long as we can suck on the fake lolipop of religion in a hypocritic manner.

It amazes me that people here know fully well that there are millions of Pakistanis who sleep at night with hunger in their bellies - yet, yet, yet the same people argue with me that why have I written 'Gelatin is Halal' in my avatar. I hope that you can understand that 'halalism' of Gelatin or similar religious fanaticism come AFTER when we can feed, clothe and shelter all of us as a nation. I hope.

Give up this hard-line 'all or nothing' fundamental view of Islam. It has gotten us nowhere and it will take us no where.

Let me further add something a sort of unethical stuff in ur those bold lines and then i ask u what is ur stance about it...

Someone wants to be a prostitute, her brother/father/son opposes her for that. Dont u think it is imposition of someone's personal choice on others?

So what do u say about that? then there is a follow up question for u after this one and i apologize in advance for that...:)

and what about a kid who does not want to go to school? Dont u think it is his/her personal choice study or not?

(Please think about my questions even if seems stupid to u before u call me or anyone else fanatics extremists etc...)

 

[Rommel]

This segment is like 0.05% of the society in Karachi.
What diff does it make.......

 

[Username]

Happens dude. When there are no arguments to make - only fanatic ramblings. It happens.


Oh yeah sure, unlike some religion which has an organised way of snubbing punishment for rape by adding the the impossible errand of four witnesses. Very civilised then and very civilised now. Hats off to the liberty that religion has brought to women.

In the 'immoral West' if a woman is raped, the Police's investigation based on circumstancial evidence gets the rapist punished.

In 'moral Pakistan' if a woman is raped, and if she dare approach the Police, above everything she has to bring 4 witnesses or take punishment of بہتان.

*facepalm*

Nvra911.... I wanted to respond you back on this issue of Rape as your views are a mere result of sheer ignorance, but then luckily i came to follow your trail of texts and i realized you are a psychopath. You sound like a woman by your text. If you are not a woman take my advice and keep more manly company. Anyways i cant convince myself, considering your absurd and "Oot Patang" responses to other users, to get into a debate with you. i shouldnt have addressed you but i just couldnt resist.

 

[Jazaheer]

Thanks for apologizing! appreciate it!

/i agree with you when you say hypocracy in the name of islam or not focussing on bigger issues like voting killers or the corrupt, no worries for lawlessness etc etc. but it doesn't mean that small issues cannot be pointed out. It annoys me also when someone calls me a bad guy due to any un islamic thing i am doing whereas the guy who is pointing the finger on me has some big problems! But this is not the problem of islam! its the arrogance of the guy! No body can force anyone or call bad names! Its not what our prophet did! The way people approach creates the difference! i am lucky that most of tho guys who did point something in me were very friendly and they cared for my dignity and respect!

I also want to apologize for the last sentence! It was harsh also! By the way you surprised me by apologizing! Thanks!

Please read my response patiently. I would appreciate it if you try to understand my point of view with patience.



I know I've been rude to people here. I feel bad for it. And I apologise to all who I've hurt.

But, this doesn't mean that you can impose your ideas on to society.

Enough with this Islamist fever. There is a world outside of Islam too. The whole other world which has made some progress.

What has this Islamist fever given us all this time? Division, hatred, sectarian violence and rampant death.

If you want to be a Muslim, be that in your own private life. What sense does it make to oblige EVERYONE to do EVERYTHING in national life under the false pretence or Islam?

We are living a false hypocrisy in the name of Islam for 65 years. We've gotten no where while the rest of the world is accelerating away. For how long will you tolerate this tragedy?

All I talk about is to stop imposing ridiculous stuff like 'night clubs must be stopped', 'no one must drink', 'women must wear this dress or that dress', 'schools must teach this religion or that sect'.

There is a life outside of these issues. The 'real' life. Where food, economy, law and order and education matter. Yet it seems that we have been so much radicalised in the name of religion that we would happily stay poor and hungry as long as we can suck on the fake lolipop of religion in a hypocritic manner.

It amazes me that people here know fully well that there are millions of Pakistanis who sleep at night with hunger in their bellies - yet, yet, yet the same people argue with me that why have I written 'Gelatin is Halal' in my avatar. I hope that you can understand that 'halalism' of Gelatin or similar religious fanaticism come AFTER when we can feed, clothe and shelter all of us as a nation. I hope.

Give up this hard-line 'all or nothing' fundamental view of Islam. It has gotten us nowhere and it will take us no where.

 

[wadera]

education and 'shaoor' are two very different things .. you can buy the best 'education' but you can't buy 'shaoor'

 

[Sharjil Ahmad]

nvra911:
I believe you had heard enough admiration for your views. And I didn't want to say it, but you really are a psycho.
I feel really bad for myself. Yes, im gonna cry and sleep that why did i waste so much time on arguing with someone like you ? I consider it my fault.

 

[mercedesbenz]

phati porani link ad ker ke sath;sath jall bhi rahey ho ke tum ayse anjoy nahee ker saktey ho to yeh nah kaho keh ​thhu angoor khattey hain:

 

[Zionist Hindu]

Please read my response patiently. I would appreciate it if you try to understand my point of view with patience.

I know I've been rude to people here. I feel bad for it. And I apologise to all who I've hurt.

But, this doesn't mean that you can impose your ideas on to society.

Enough with this Islamist fever. There is a world outside of Islam too. The whole other world which has made some progress.

What has this Islamist fever given us all this time? Division, hatred, sectarian violence and rampant death.

If you want to be a Muslim, be that in your own private life. What sense does it make to oblige EVERYONE to do EVERYTHING in national life under the false pretence or Islam?

We are living a false hypocrisy in the name of Islam for 65 years. We've gotten no where while the rest of the world is accelerating away. For how long will you tolerate this tragedy?

All I talk about is to stop imposing ridiculous stuff like 'night clubs must be stopped', 'no one must drink', 'women must wear this dress or that dress', 'schools must teach this religion or that sect'.

There is a life outside of these issues. The 'real' life. Where food, economy, law and order and education matter. Yet it seems that we have been so much radicalised in the name of religion that we would happily stay poor and hungry as long as we can suck on the fake lolipop of religion in a hypocritic manner.

It amazes me that people here know fully well that there are millions of Pakistanis who sleep at night with hunger in their bellies - yet, yet, yet the same people argue with me that why have I written 'Gelatin is Halal' in my avatar. I hope that you can understand that 'halalism' of Gelatin or similar religious fanaticism come AFTER when we can feed, clothe and shelter all of us as a nation. I hope.

Give up this hard-line 'all or nothing' fundamental view of Islam. It has gotten us nowhere and it will take us no where.

Hats off to you bro, you will be soon regarded as Raw agent. All the cyber talibans are going to gang up on you. I admire your debating and reasoning skills. Looks like Free thinkers are becoming endangered species in Pakistan.

 

[Sharjil Ahmad]

Hats off to you bro, you will be soon regarded as Raw agent. All the cyber talibans are going to gang up on you. I admire your debating and reasoning skills. Looks like Free thinkers are becoming endangered species in Pakistan.

And a person with a name such as urs will teach Pakistanis about free thinking.....hmmmm....
I guess you forgot all the rape cases sorrounding th best democracy I.e. India's cities. What happens in villages is not even to be mentioned.

 

[ali-raj]

Happens dude. When there are no arguments to make - only fanatic ramblings. It happens.


Oh yeah sure, unlike some religion which has an organised way of snubbing punishment for rape by adding the the impossible errand of four witnesses. Very civilised then and very civilised now. Hats off to the liberty that religion has brought to women.

In the 'immoral West' if a woman is raped, the Police's investigation based on circumstancial evidence gets the rapist punished.

In 'moral Pakistan' if a woman is raped, and if she dare approach the Police, above everything she has to bring 4 witnesses or take punishment of بہتان.

*facepalm*

Now , You are taking it too far. In your insane drive to support western culture, you are trying to make fun of "Laws of Allah".
4 witnesses are required in the case of "Sex with Consent" , not for "Rape". Kindly, study before you try to judge/comment on the laws of Quran. Again it is to protect the women, so that people cannot harm an innocent women in vendetta/revenge (Unfortunately, We Pakistanis/Muslims dont study our religion, hence lack of knowledge).

If people are misusing the laws, then its ppls/state problem.

I don't know, from which faith/religion you are. but what ever code of life you follow, you follow it by the rules. a life without rule is a chaos. And everyone deserves to protect its life from the chaos.

Westerners do preach about women rights, child right, Animal rights, but they are spreading chaos in the name of rights. They allow one side to provoke other side, but stops the other side from guarding its faith.

If we Pakistani like to live like a hypocrate, then why it is bothering the wersterners. This is our choice. Let us live our choice and by happy with it.

Thank You.

 

[saifsaif]

wow. o bhai, can some one tell me where is this club and how to get in this club ? good place.

 

[saifsaif]

Has any one on this page has contacts with TALIBANS ? Can he send this preciuos video to them ? they would be happy to see it, may be they change their mind after see this new Pakistan, may be they go to Afghanistan to PREACH their teachings.

 

[Zionist Hindu]

And a person with a name such as urs will teach Pakistanis about free thinking.....hmmmm....
I guess you forgot all the rape cases sorrounding th best democracy I.e. India's cities. What happens in villages is not even to be mentioned.

India is not best democracy. It is still a poor democracy. Yes these kind of horrible crimes happen in India but you will not find Indians supporting it or using religion to avoid prosecution. We do not need 4 witnesses.

 

[nvra911]

...4 witnesses are required in the case of "Sex with Consent" , not for "Rape"...

Can someone please confirm this? I am really confused. I don't think this is the truth.

 

[nvra911]

...4 witnesses are required in the case of "Sex with Consent" , not for "Rape"...

Wow. You sound like a practising Muslim and yet you are creating a joke of your own religion.

My source of information is from here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/people/features/ihavearightto/four_b/casestudy_art07.shtml

In there it says: ...In order to prove an absence of consent, however, a woman is required to provide four witnesses to the rape, a near impossible task...

Look dude, if you think BBC is wrong in their research then lets go together and sue them for libel and disinformation. It is very easy to do that here in the UK.

But I think you are wrong. You are creating your own fiction in the 'laws of allah'.

What a joke.