Javed Ghamdi, Salman Taseer, Asma Jhangir :: Khuda ka khof karen plz! - Nice Column by Orya Maqbool

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MOLVI PROVING HYPOCRACY OF MULLA FOR PAKISTAN

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Mughal1 · Oct 16, 2011

Number One? 20 Not So Good Categories That The United States Leads The World In

http://www.infowars.com/number-one-...es-that-the-united-states-leads-the-world-in/

#1 The United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world and the largest total prison population on the entire globe.

#2 According to NationMaster.com, the United States has the highest percentage of obese people in the world.

#3 The United States has the highest divorce rate on the globe by a wide margin.

#4 The United States is tied with the U.K. for the most hours of television watched per person each week.

#5 The United States has the highest rate of illegal drug use on the entire planet.

#6 There are more car thefts in the United States each year than anywhere else in the world by far.

#7 There are more reported rapes in the United States each year than anywhere else in the world.

#8 There are more reported murders in the United States each year than anywhere else in the world.

#9 There are more total crimes in the United States each year than anywhere else in the world.

#10 The United States also has more police officers than anywhere else in the world.

#11 The United States spends much more on health care as a percentage of GDP than any other nation on the face of the earth.

#12 The United States has more people on pharmaceutical drugs than any other country on the planet.

#13 The percentage of women taking antidepressants in America is higherthan in any other country in the world.

#14 Americans have more student loan debt than anyone else in the world.

#15 More pornography is created in the United States than anywhere else on the entire globe. 89 percent is made in the U.S.A. and only 11 percent is made in the rest of the world.

#16 The United States has the largest trade deficit in the world every single year. Between December 2000 and December 2010, the United States ran a total trade deficit of 6.1 trillion dollars with the rest of the world, and the U.S. has had a negative trade balance every single year since 1976.

#17 The United States spends 7 times more on the military than any other nation on the planet does. In fact, U.S. military spending is greater than the military spending of China, Russia, Japan, India, and the rest of NATO combined.

#18 The United States has far more foreign military bases than any other country does.

#19 The United States has the most complicated tax system in the entire world.

#20 The U.S. has accumulated the biggest national debt that the world has ever seen and it is rapidly getting worse. Right now, U.S. government debt is expanding at a rate of $40,000 per second.

Occupy Wall Street Protests Too Big to Ignore

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OCCUPY PROTESTS: Clashes in London, violence in Rome

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solution lies in the message of the quran, two nation theory may well be proven true if protests continue

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...AB-V-SECULARISM-Where-should-we-stand-and-why

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...ani-generation)/page2&highlight=nation+theory

Mughal1 · Oct 26, 2011

Mughal1 · Nov 1, 2011

Iqbal Koun - Who is Iqbal - A documentary about the life of Allama Iqbal

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Mughal1 · Dec 6, 2011

indigo · Dec 22, 2011

beautiful...your words are :)

kmanzar said:
Oh yes, Javed Ghamidi is a student of shaitan because: -

- He lays stress on understanding the sprit of Islam with rationale instead of following it blindly (unlike moliyana approach)
- He believes on the importance of research and rationale approach
- He discourages quoting traditions blindly (without checking the authenticty)
- He dont take any tradition just emotionally, but tries to judge it's authenticity and context first
- He tries to judge the traditions and past incidents in the light of Quran (instead of interpreting Quran in light of such un-authentic individual incidents)
- He believes that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance
- He thinks that Islamic message can be spread to others via rationale and logic (instead of imposing with the use of power)
- And so on (list of his crimes is very long)

So, definitely its important to get rid of such followers of shaitan ASAP, as we recently executed another student of shaitan: Dr. Farooq Khan, need is to execute him as well in the same manner..

We dont need such criminals, only need mullahs (sorry, i mean: Ulama-e-karam), those who dont possess any ability to challenge any tradition on basis of Quran and rationale. We don't need such people who have ability to take the challenges of the modern time, we need talibnazined Ulama-e-Karaam those who take us back in the era of barbarism, as we don't want to live in this modern world.

And thanks Allah we have plenty of such Ulama-e-Karam, and their followers within us

knower · Dec 23, 2011

Mughal1 · Jan 5, 2012

rulers aur mullah ki shaamat

sunnat ki tareef
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?68250-بیوٹی-پارلرز-کی-آڑ-میں-کیا-ہو-رہا-ہے&p=417839&viewfull=1#post417839

islam aur quran ki haqeeqat

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...-amp-tribalism&p=657523&viewfull=1#post657523

deen kia hai
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quran main kia hai

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?50593-Javed-Ghamdi-Salman-Taseer-Asma-Jhangir-Khuda-ka-khof-karen-plz!-Nice-Column-by-Orya-Maqbool-Jan/page5

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iceburg · Jan 5, 2012

Circular argument in article. Law is wrong for civilian matters .... should be considered for change ... same situation for religious matters ... same change required ... but "why they consider it for change...?"

Very shallow thinking in this article .....

Umer Baloch · Jan 5, 2012

That maulvi thing shud end now. Supporting Taliban for jihad as our brother has cost us a lot . These lil secular scholars like ghamidi shud come up.

Mughal1 · Jan 8, 2012

Why Islam V Imperialism, Mulluhism and Secularism etc

It should be obvious from my posts as to why Islam opposes imperialism, mullaism and secularism. Implementation of quran as islamic constitution was the reason for creation of pakistan to show the world a working modal of islam just like the prophet of islam created the state of madinah in order to convince the world only islam was the way forward for humanity, socially, politically, culturally and most importantly economy wise. This was not an over night inception but through actions and reactions within muslims as well as between muslims and nonmuslims. It does take time for things to sink in as to what is going on all around and whether it is good or bad for a people and how to react to it. Only people like sir syed and iqbal had that little bit extra insight where others failed. However it is unfortunate that ground that was gained by sir syed and iqbal like great muslim thinkers was not held by the community they entrusted it to. It is because even though muslims succeeded in gaining a separate identity they did not turn it into a reality that iqbal and jinnah expressed their desire for.

Most people of pakistan have no idea what two nation theory was all about and remain confused about it. This is how hindus were easily manipulated by rivals of muslims to instigate troubles. The whole idea was so easy to explain and understand. The separation of pakistan from india was like separation between brothers but it was turned into a terrible agony due to manipulation of people with harmful and destructive agendas of some self serving power hungry people.

All that these insightful muslim leaders wanted was islamic constitution in place in a piece of land in order to better the lot of people in the land. These people did not want imperialist islam, they did not want mullah's islam and they certainly did not want capitalism based economic system. This is why british were showing animosity to muslims but not to hindus because hindus leaders like gandhi and nehru would implement british system even after independence of india. This meant monopoly of british over india would stay in place even after british leave india. This also explains why paksitan was never accepted as an independent state ever. It explains why british divided states which were supposed to be part of pakistan because they were majority muslim state eg punjab. kashmir was handed to india likewise through conspiracies.

It was not nonmuslims' animosity with muslim people other than their economic interest but mainly ideology of islam because if islam got foot-hold in a place then that would spell end of all the ideologies in the world as explained very clearly in the quran. This also explains why nonmuslim powerful and wealthy state administrations and people behind them support mullahs and madrassas in muslim and nonmuslim countries because it is mullahs who misinterpret and misrepresent islam to their masses to suit the rich and wealthy people who are in governments or behind them all over the world. The so called secular democracy means absolutely nothing when only rich and powerful people can become leaders of a community to exploit their own weak and poor people as well as the others. Exactly what kings and mullahs did after the prophet and what is ruling elite and their mullahs are doing to pakistan and other muslims countries through out the world. This is why once one understands two nation theory all pieces of jigsaw fall in to place.

The very idea that muslims cannot live with nnonmuslims is utterly stupid and is used as a propaganda tool. Islam is not at all about separating people on any basis whatsoever save man cannot be master or slave of another man regardless a muslim or a nonmuslim. It is because there are pharaohs in this world or wolves in sheep clothing that islam wants all people to unite and fight against them to take away their control over land and resources, means of production and distribution. The earth belongs to none but God and all people are his children and have equal right to all there is in this world. This is what is explained right in the beginning of the quran. People are free to manipulate all there is so long as they do it together with full cooperation for the good of humanity as a whole. A muslims cannot stop a nonmuslim brother or sister from his heavenly granted right and he is not allowed to let anyone take away his own right either. You do no harm to anyone but at the same time you are not allowed to let others harm you either. Willingly people can die for each other but force is not allowed for harming each other. This is how islam means peace.

The whole idea was to take a piece of land and try governing it by the ideas stated in the quran for the purpose of peace. Nothing to do with separation of people at all. Muslims did not take any piece of land from india which did not already belong to them ie they were already living in that land which they wanted to use for this experiment and others did not like it and created problems for muslims. Thus these ignorant people not only ruined muslims but also other human beings. Today the whole world is in turmoil and does not know which way to turn. Had these stupid short sighted people allowed those far sighted muslims complete their pilot project today the whole world would have been in peace seeing that project successful. All people want a good peaceful life save a few with destructive and harmful mindset so once muslims would have shown the way all would have followed suit.

Jinnah did not use islam to gather muslims but secularism and dangers it posed. I would like you to think about consequences for playing islamic card. This card would have divided muslim ummah in india even more thanks to mullahs and their backer imperial powers so it would have created yet more dangerous situation for muslims. The very reason that muslims did not divide yet more on basis of islam tells us very clearly that Pakistan was to be such a muslim state that was not to be based on western concept of secularism and democracy. Why not? Because secularism would have been a harmful and dangerous theefore an immoral base to begin with. It is not corruption in the system but system is set on the foundation of corruption. Wait till we all realise it yet more let things get yet worse.

One has to realise that western secularism is for western democracy and western democracy is for capitalism and free market and that is for negative competition which can only and only produce one end result ie total destruction of weak and poor people and nations ie a huge divide between those who have and those who have not leading to countless unrests amnd wars. Moreover capitalism and free market only suits those who have capital and not those who only have to offer their labour.

If you have your foundation wrong whatever you build on it will not be right. India has wrong foundation ie secular democracy based upon capitalism and free market, which is based on negative competition. This is evil system to the very core. It leaves no dignity for a human being. People are forced to behave like dogs.

On the contrary two nation theory is build on solid foundation but muslims so far have not been able to understand it never mind being able to build upon it. Two nation theory was a multi-facet project that has yet to be phased in or realised in Pakistan. However when it is then Pakistan will be a great nation if we get a breathing space from our enemies.

Let me give you something to think about.

Let us supposed that person A is an employer and needs a worker. In the system that you promote, he will be looking for a person who could give him most possible work but in return accepts from him least possible wage. After all this is what negative competition is all about.

The worker is in need of job otherwise he will have nothing to live on. Person A advertises his vacancy and there are hundreds of people at his door looking for the very same job. He has the power to decide terms and pay not the workers at his door. It is same for you if you are looking for a loan from the bank where it is the bank that sets terms and interest rate and since you are desperate for loan you are forced to accept any terms and sign at the bottom of the loan agreement.

Where is yours or the worker's dignity in this and how can you or the worker keep even your humanity? Person A cannot employ everyone and therefore if he is a decent human being he will have heavy heart when refusing job to others who may need it more than the guy he hires, otherwise he is just a dog looking for a kill, which takes away his humanity and dignity. On the other side each person looking for job will be trying to put down the next person so that this person gets the job. Is there any dignity in this for the people looking for work? Another twist is that your business competitors are trying to run you out of your business by under cutting you. Employers under cutting employers and workers under cutting workers and employers under cutting workers.

Can you therefore see the downward spiral and where it leads us all one by one? This is the end result of what many of us are supporting knowingly or unknowingly. This kind of competition has nothing to do with humanity or merit, for they are positive trends for going upwards not in pit of hell. It should be very clear to such people who are looking for success in this kind of system how destructive this system is for humanity as a whole. So only an ignorant or a devil will support this system not a human being with brains.

This is why today humanity is in bits because we are breaking up communities, tribes, clans, extended families, core family units and finally individuals are also breaking down nervously. Is this the kind of world we want?

All this very clearly shows that we are our own worst enemies. This is what the quranic system opposes which whole world is fighting against thanks to stupidity of people who are not bothered to understand the divine message nor the needs of humanity itself. What a wonderful world and what a wonderful people!

We pride ourselves telling each other look at how many billionaires we have in our countries. Is it not the time to count the number of billionaires in contrast to the million they have destroyed in the process of trying to become billionaires. This is the difference between a human being with brains and the animal who looks like a human being but has no brain.

Success is to try and be happy yourself and help others to be happy as well. Your happiness is not real if you took off smile from faces of many others and deep inside you will not find peace and you will not be able to face the man in the mirror.

My advice please don't fight islam, learn it and support it because this is the only way to change the world for the better. Don't be critical of people who stand for God and humanity but be critical of anti humanist systems, people and other elements. Otherwise one is born to hate oneself because that is what hating humanity means. If we have humanity then we must work for the good of mankind and not support ideas and things that go against that. After all if I am doing ok, are those people as well upon whom I depend for my own well being and happiness?

We are not animals like other animals but human beings with brains, we should not live by nature but understand nature and control it for the good of humanity. If we lived by nature then there is no difference between us and other animals because animals accept nature and live by it ie they are not able to change their environment much but we are capable of changing natural environment at a much greater scale, so, let us work towards better world and not make it a hell hole. It is time to raise our thinking level.

Mughal1 · Jan 29, 2012

By reading so many posts on this forum I realised that we have a split regarding what islam really is. Thank you for clarifying your positions and I am glad that you did because this gives me opportunity to explain the fact islam is deen not a mazhab. In other words islam has nothing to do with dogmas, superstition, demons and magic or mysteries etc. Islam is a goal set for mankind by their creator and the quran is its revolutionary text book, manifesto and constitution all in one.

In order to understand islam properly and therefore to know why all existing translations/interpretations of the quran are wrong one needs to know about imperialism, role of imperial priests though out history and origin of split between religion and state as a trick or ploy to fight against divine rule. Kings and priests used each other to gain power over land and people by throwing God out of his kingdom through their tricks against their own masses as well as by using their own masses against others. Kings gained right to dictate their own laws in their kingdoms in the name of God through backing of their priests who confined God to heavens and then priests by their tricks invented so called personal or private laws in the name of God and controlled private lives of their people. Thus land became property of kings and people became property of priests to use and abuse at will in the name of God.

The quran makes this point very clear and tells us none has the right to rule in the name of God save God himself and this is how the quran defines shirk, which is in fact rebellion against God by these people who do not rule by constitution of God.

This sets the context in which the quran makes sense but since the quran taught human brotherhood in the name of God not slavery of man for man the kings and their mullahs masked the quran by their deliberate misinterpretations and misrepresentations in order to move quranic islam out of their way. They also invented some ahadith and some laws as shariah of islam in order to move people away from the quran by telling them virtue lies in things that had no benefits for people themselves as individuals nor as a community.

This explains why religious people are totally unreasonable because that is how ignorant people have been programmed. Spreading ignorance, diverting teachings and masking the true meanings of the quranic terminology all played part in creating the state in which we find muslims nations today.

This also explains why would rich and powerful people and governments would support mullahs and madrassas to give bad name to islam and keep muslims ignorant so that they could quietly take away or take over their lands and resources without much resistance. It is like you give a sweet to a child and take away from him the piece of gold.

This also explains origin of TAREEQAT=the way of God or the way to God. As Allah sent prophets and books and the divine rule was established on the earth by prophets and their followers, each time some bullies rose from within the community and began to dominate others and so ended divine rules on the earth. These people then did not tolerate those who really looked back to divine kingdom and wished to recreate it. Such people were brutally murdered because they posed danger to rules of kings and priests. As a result each time these people came under threat they started underground movements spreading proper message person to person in order to gain enough support to bring back the divine rule. So these so called soofi movements were reactionary movements to what kings and priests did to divine rule in the divine kingdom. This is why nobody knows origin of these movements because they were started as secret movements. Just as shariah rule was divine rule once up a time so tareeqat was original movement to bring back divine rule after it was dismantled. However even secret movement do not remain secret because ruling powers infiltrate them and then divert them to their own agendas if they cannot then they are destroyed. All these explanations fit all pieces of jigsaw together nicely. This is how they prove that this is the best explanation for their existence and their purpose. Tareeqat had nothing to do with superstition but after it was infiltrated then movements was derailed and so it too became a matter of purposeless ritualism.

The context of the quran is of vital importance to understand the quran. Without having the purpose of the quran in your mind you cannot understand the reason as to why a word should be taken to mean one thing in one place in its context but in another context it ought to be taken in another sense.

Let me give you a couple of examples, take the words ZOJUKA= should you translate it as your wife or as your companion? It depends on the context ie if the context is private family life discussion, you can translate it as your wife but suppose the context was constitutional state administration and talking was about work colleagues? You will be forced by context to translate it as fellow administrator or fellow worker etc in administration.

Take another example, MAA MALAKAT AIMAANUKUM=if context was imperialism then these words would mean your slaves and maids but if you were talking in context of a constitutional administration the same words would means people working under your responsibility.

Take more examples in general use of language eg family relationship words.

UMMI=biological mother in one sense but you could be talking about a mother company, daughter organisation or sister country or community.

AABAA=bilogical father but could be predecessor, father of nation or tribe or first man who did something in some sense or someone who has some importance in role eg like a father is important for family.

Brother could be biological brother and person who supports you in some sense eg fellow countryman, fellow human etc etc.

JIBAAL=mountains when talk about hills protruding from the earth however if we are talking about a human society then jibaal means heavy weights in the community ie people who have influence in the community.

SAMAA and ARD=heaven and earth but when used in sense of community it means people who have high status in society and people who live down to earth level or even in a ditch ie indignity.

JANNAT= garden or blissful place or state or divine kingdom here or inhereafter.

These examples should be enough to show when a word means what in the quran depends on what do you know about the quran and islam. For short, islam is a set goal for humanity by Allah to accomplish here on the earth for peace, progress and prosperity of the humanity itself.

The quran is text book for a revolution to change the world from what it is to what it should be ie before mankind the earth was a paradise but after creation of man due to man's self indulgence it became hell and Allah has been sending prophets and books to educate man to be a proper human being and make this earth a paradise like it used to be.

So the struggle between illiterate and ignorant human beings who want to decide everything by force and the ones educated and wise had been going on ever since. And people who are educated and think things through are making the difference little by little. The need for making this process quicker and quicker is obvious if we want to avoid a lot of pain and suffering that humanity is going through.

The quran sets terms and condition for peace for mankind and it is manifesto of islam for people who wish to join it and a constitution to build a good society or community upon so that peace could be achieved between people so that then together through full cooperation and hard work humanity makes progress and becomes prosperous in the name of Allah and if it makes that commitment and works for it or succeeds in doing that Allah will reward it in hereafter for what it would have achieved for itself.

Those who will put obstacles in its way and cause harm and destruction instead would have a lot to regret over in the hereafter when they are made to realise what they did and how wrong it was.

Allah is not a tyrant and he did not create world for testing people to reward and punish them. This is all mullahs made stuff. Allah is very kind being and like a good father figure decided to have creation and then he wanted people to be free agents so he gave them everything including his advice and let them do as they please and face the outcome of their own actions. The quran explains all that is essential regarding the world and people this is why understanding the quran will save us from wasting our time and effort in doing useless things. It is like our parents tell us to go from a to b and give us road map to get there but we decide to go our own way throwing away the map and getting into all sorts of troubles and blaming our parents for all this.

1) It is necessary for all who wish to talk to realise that language itself is the only way to communicate one's thoughts. Thoughts only make sense when they are rational or logical. LOGIC=MANTAQ=way of communication=language=vehicle for communication. So if it is not logical it is not a communication because what you are trying to communicate or covey makes no sense to those to whom you communicate.

2)All things that happen are bound by divine laws=physical laws=natural laws. Since all things that happen according to some law regardless e know that law or not therefore they have explanation regardless we knopw that explanation or not.

3)MOJIZA=aqlan aajiz kar dene waali mantaqi daleel. We see lawyers doing that everyday in courts of law all over the world to prove or disprove each others claims and allegations. A claim is either proved or disproved only by one party making such a reasonable point that the other party cannot undo it by their reasoning and so one party stops the other in its tracks thereby proving or disproving a claim that they fight over. MOJIZA does not means anything that has nothing to do with aqal.

4)By rejecting aqal one denies being a human being because the only thing that really makes difference is man's ability to understand things beyond the level of animals and that is why man is able to change his environment to suit him at much greater scale than any animal. For the same reason Allah tells him to go and control the natural world and use it for the benefit of mankind. So if one denies being above animals then none would bother communicating with such an animal. People love such animals who are willing to learn to communicate with humans but not those who do not. Human babies are born ignorant 16/78 but are normally capable of learning and that is why even though they are just animals in human shape within several years of their life they can prove they are above animals. Therefore one denies oneself right of being heard if one wishes to remain an animal after being born by not learning thereby refusing to become a human being. This also shows we Allah calls some people animals or even worst.

5) Imperial mullahs were animals because they were disloyal to humanity on behest of some bully boys who wanted to have the whole human world under their dirty thumb. This is why they employed there dirty animals to destroy rule of Allah in the earth each time prophets of Allah installed it for the benefit of humanity. Emperors ruled the world by telling people through their priests that God only rules in the heaven not on the earth. Earth for to be rules by these scoundrels. This is how kings and mullahs invented state and religion concept and promoted it by full force of imperial power. This is why kings made laws for state affairs using name of God and mullahs made laws in the name of God for controlling private lives of people and both together then used and abused their people. This is why kings' islam is not real islam and mullahs' islam is not real islam either. It is because it inflicted harm and destruction upon individual as well as upon whole of humanity instead of leading them to peace, progress and prosperity.

6)It should leave one in no doubt that sir syed understood this point very well seeing how mullahs have turned muslims ummah into an ignorant people and therefore in to a dead nation or ummah. He was the only one who began to look for solutions after knowing what the problem was ie lack of proper education that makes people logical thinkers. Education is opposed by rulers always because when public become educated it becomes self aware and tries to understand its problems and realises their solutions. Since main problems are rulers regardless in form of kings, politicians or their mullahs so as soon as public becomes educated it can see its enemies and that means it is going to turn their rule upside down therefore they ensure in many different way that public remain illiterate or less educated. However it has doubt edge effect ie even though rulers succeed in making fool of their own people under them,others from outside may become aware of this weakness and therefore attack the people from outside and take over the land of these weaklings, killing all people or keep some as slaves and maids.

This is like a bad family where the ignorant father of the house tries to keep his wife and kids under his thumb. He does not want them to become clever than him because if they did he fears they will then not listen to him. The down side is that when these kids grow up they cannot compete with kids of the families that based their cooperation upon reasoning thing through together. So one can see if control is by rule of law or house keeping rules then all are bound by same laws and rules so everyone knows his cut out part in this that one has to play but full heartfelt cooperation is fundamental for this idea to succeed. However if control is to be by force then whenever a situation arises for doing anything some body will have to become controlling freak to make everyone do the same thing that the controlling freak wants regardless of reason or purpose. It is therefore clear that tension between these people will always run high. It is called alpha mentality.

It should be clear from these points that if islam=peace which it does than rule by kings and mullahs is not allowed in islam because in islam it has to be rule that gives humanity peace, progress and prosperity not harm and destruction.

This is why sir syed is right and all who oppose him are wrong when he takes stand in favour of rationality. One can also see why educated people who can think critically support sir syed's stand and why selfish, greedy, stupid people or ignorant support rulers and mullahs. The quran supports sir syed on rationality and opposes ruling elite and their mullahs due to their stupidity.

One must always remember that the divine constitution is supreme not any person be he a prophet of Allah, see 3/64,79 and 9/31 etc.

When any people want to form an organisation they let their related public know about it by communicating why they need to do that and how they going to do it. Once people are convinced by them and support them then they form organisation and if they need wider support then they spread information about this organisation by spreading its manifesto and constitution so that people who have similar ideas in mind come to them and expand the organisational activities. The quran tells us same thing about the prophets ie how they approached their people telling them they knows their problems and needs their support to solve them for them. This is how they gathered people around them and once they had sufficient supports they changed over the ruling from manmade constitutions to God sent constitutions which they taught to their people. Muslims today need to do the same thing but they need to be careful that they do not replace nonmuslim imperialism with muslim imperialism as they did in the past. It has to be khilaafate nabavi.

Islam is all about joining together under umbrela of the quran as the divine constitution, under the leadership of the final divine messenger who brought the quran and that is it. NO FIRQA NO MULLAH NO FASAAD. Again it was iqbal who realised mullahs were FASAAD KI JAD.

All mullah based interpretations of the quran are fundamentally anti quran therefore using them to defend islam is actually attacking islam. Quran is for peace, progress and prosperity of humanity but mullahs tell things to destroy it. My posts need to to be read carefully because I have tried to explain things for tyhose who wish to learn sense, however if anyone thinks one knows better then please lay down what you think islam is and let us benefit from what you know about islam and if you put forth solid explanation then it will be worth supporting, why not? Islam is based upon merit not force. Whoever talks better sense deserves our full support this is the only way forward not only for us muslims but the whole of humanity.

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