Javed Ahmad Ghamidi response to letter by Taliban

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The Taliban’s Line of Reasoning

The self-appointed warriors of God known to the world as the Taliban have killed countless innocent people in the last ten years. They insist that they are doing all this for God and in submission to His directives. They have restated this stance of after their cowardly attack on Malalah Yusufsai. In support of this stance, they present the Qur’an and Hadith and certain incidents that occurred in the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad (sws). Since people are generally unaware of religion and religious disciplines, they may be influenced by this line of reasoning. We, therefore, would like to present some facts in the following paragraphs in consideration of this scenario.

1. No doubt jihad is a directive of Islam. The Qur’an requires of its followers that if they have the strength, they should wage war against oppression and injustice. The primary reason for which this directive is to curb persecution which is the use of oppression and coercion to make people give up their religion. Those having insight know that Muslims are not given this directive of jihad in their individual capacity; they are addressed in their collective capacity regarding this directive. They are not individually addressed in the verses of jihad which occur in the Qur’an. Thus in this matter only the collectivity has the right to launch any such armed offensive. No individual or group of Muslims has the right to take this decision on their behalf. It is for this reason that the Prophet (sws) is reported to have said: A Muslim ruler is a shield; war can only waged under him.1 Even a little deliberation is enough for a person to conclude whether the Taliban are following this principle or blatantly violating it.

2. The directive of jihad given by Islam is war for the cause of God; therefore, it cannot be waged while disregarding moral restrictions. Ethics and morality supersede everything in all circumstances and even in matters of war and armed offensives, the Almighty has not allowed Muslims to deviate from moral principles. Hence, it is absolutely certain that jihad can only be waged against combatants. It is the law of Islam that if a person attacks through his tongue, then this attack shall be countered through the tongue and if he financially supports the warriors then he will be stopped from this support; however, unless a person picks up arms to wage war, his life cannot be taken. So much so, if right in the battle field the enemy throws down his arms and surrenders, he shall be taken a prisoner; he cannot be executed after this. The words of the verse which mention the directive of jihad are: “and fight in the way of Allah with those who fight against you and do not transgress bounds [in this fighting]. Indeed, God does not like the transgressors,” (2:190). The Prophet (sws) forbade the killing of women and children during war.2 The reason for this is also that if they have embarked upon jihad with the army, it is not in the capacity of combatants. At best, they can boost the morale of the combatants and urge them through the tongue to fight.

This then is the shari‘ah of God. But what are the Taliban doing? Men of learning like Mawlana Hasan Jan, Mawlana Sarfaraz Na‘imi and Dr Muhammad Faruq Khan never undertook to wage war against them. Malalah Yusufza’i is an innocent girl. She never took up arms against them. In spite of this, the Taliban insist that all these people deserve death. Is this merely because they had dared to differ with them? There is no doubt that in the presence of political authority in a place that authority has the right to punish criminals; it also is true that in this regard there cannot be any difference between a man and a woman. The Qur’an very explicitly states that whether a woman or a man is guilty of theft both will be punished and both have the same punishment. The same is true for an adulterer and an adulteress. However, when did the Taliban have political authority on the persons just mentioned and when did these persons commit crimes which are punishable by death as per the Islamic shari‘ah? The Qur’an very explicitly states that the death punishment can be meted out only in cases of murder and spreading anarchy in the land and not in any other crime. Who among the people pointed out above is guilty of murdering someone or was guilty of spreading anarchy by threatening the life, wealth or honour of someone? In reality, the Taliban themselves are guilty of these crimes and testify to their confessions every day.

3. Polytheism, disbelief and apostasy are indeed grave crimes; however, no human being can punish another human being for these crimes. This is the right of God alone. In the Hereafter too, He will punish them for these crimes and in this world it is He Who does so if He intends to do so. The matter of the Hereafter is not under discussion here. In this world, this punishment takes place in the following manner: when the Almighty decides to reward and punish people in this very world on the basis of their deeds, He sends His messenger towards them. This messenger conclusively communicates the truth to these people such that they are left with no excuse before God to deny it. After that the verdict of God is passed and those people who even after the conclusive communication of the truth insist on disbelief and polytheism are punished in this world. This is an established practice of God which the Qur’an describes in the following words: “And for each community, there is a messenger. Then when their messenger comes, their fate is decided with full justice and they are not wronged.” (10:47)

This punishment is generally given in the manner it was given to the people of Noah (sws), the people of Hud (sws), the people of Salih (sws), the people of Lot (sws), the people of Shu‘ayb (sws) and to some other nations. However, if a messenger has a substantial number of companions and after migrating from their people, they are also able to gain political authority at some place, then this punishment is implemented through the swords of the messenger and his companions. It is this second situation which arose in the case of Muhammad (sws). Thus the active adversaries among his opponents first met their fate; after this a general order of killing the rest of the adversaries was given. For them the declaration of this punishment came in 9th hijrah on the day of hajj-i akbar. Following are the words of this directive mentioned in the Qur’an: “Then when the sacred months [after the hajj-i akbar] have passed, kill these Idolaters wherever you find them, and [for this objective] capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent and are diligent in the prayer, and give zakāh, then leave them alone.” (9:5)

This is the punishment of God which was meted out to the Idolaters of Arabia. When such a punishment descends on the perpetrators, no exception is given to women and children and they are destroyed the way the nations of Noah (sws) Hud (sws), Salih, Lot (sws) and Shu‘ayb (sws) were destroyed. It is thus mentioned in various narratives that when troops were sent to implement this punishment, he was asked what to do about the women and children of the Idolaters who would also be there; at this, the Prophet (sws) replied that they were from among them.3 It was these people about whom he had directed that if they embraced faith at that time and then became apostates and later adopted disbelief they would deserve this same punishment of death.4

In spite of conclusive communication of the truth, the punishment of these people was deferred till 9 AH because they were not active adversaries and there was a chance that they might repent and hence be saved from punishment. On the other hand, people who besides their rejection of the truth became open and active adversaries were not given this respite. They were killed whenever it became possible. Abu Rafi‘, Ka‘b ibn Ashraf, ‘Abdullah ibn Khattal, his slave-girls and from among the prisoners of the battles of Badr and Uhud ‘Uqbah ibn Abi Mu‘it, Nadr ibn al-Harith and Abu ‘Izzah et al. were killed for this very reason.

This was the verdict of God which is necessarily implemented after conclusive communication of the truth by His messengers. It is about this verdict that the Qur’n has said: “You shall never see any change in this practice of God,” (17:77). Its nature is the same as of the sacrifice of Ishmael (sws) and the incident of Khidr. It is not related to us human beings. Just as we cannot drill a hole in the boat of a poor person to help him and cannot kill a disobedient boy nor embark upon slaughtering any of our sons on the basis of a dream as Abraham (sws) did, similarly, we cannot undertake this task except if a revelation comes from God or if He directly gives an order. Everyone knows that the door to this has permanently been closed.
The incidents which the Taliban are presenting to support their measures are of the nature just described. This is nothing but audacity to generalize for themselves what specifically rests in the hands of God. There can be no greater a crime than this on God’s earth. Every believer should seek God’s refuge from this.


1. Abū ‘Abdullāh Muhammad ibn Ismā‘īl al-Bukhārī, Al-Jāmi‘ al-sahīh, 2nd ed. (Riyād: Dār al-salām, 1999), 489, (no. 2957).
2. Al-Bukhārī, Al-Jāmi‘ al-sahīh, 498, (no. 3015); Abū al-Husayn ibn Hajjāj Muslim al-Nīsabūrī, Al-Jāmi‘ al-sahīh, 2nd ed. (Riyād: Dār al-salām, 2000), 303, (no. 1744).
3. Al-Bukhārī, Al-Jāmi‘ al-sahīh, 497, (no. 3012); Muslim, Al-Jāmi‘ al-sahīh, 303, (no. 1745).
4. Al-Bukhārī, Al-Jāmi‘ al-sahīh, 498, (no. 3017).




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rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
If he is a true muslim why has he run away, makes him a shady character in my eyes. He has the same liberal facist approach of MQM and his brave mentor Gen. Musharraf
 
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jee_nee_us

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
If he is a true muslim why has he run away, makes him a shady character in my eyes. He has the same liberal facist approach of MQM and his brave mentor Gen. Musharraf

I don't know if he is a true muslim or not , neither is he telling us to follow him. It is his point of view which we have to accept or not and I think he has presented this case particularly well.
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I don't know if he is a true muslim or not , neither is he telling us to follow him. It is his point of view which we have to accept or not and I think he has presented this case particularly well.

One should preach what one practises, does not matter what his point of view is if he has not got the character to match his words
 

indigo

Siasat.pk - Blogger
One should preach what one practises, does not matter what his point of view is if he has not got the character to match his words

What he is preaching which he is not practicing? Only ad hominem attacks coming from you.
 

jee_nee_us

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
One should preach what one practises, does not matter what his point of view is if he has not got the character to match his words

Character is best judged by Allah , every man has weaknesses. I was just saying , is there anything wrong with the article he has written. It's only telling the taliban that what you are doing is wrong with references and logic. I am sure everyone of us thinks that taliban are doing wrong unless someone is a taliban himself.
 

Xiggs

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
If he is a true muslim why has he run away, makes him a shady character in my eyes. He has the same liberal facist approach of MQM and his brave mentor Gen. Musharraf


please do tell who of the current religious leaders is a true muslim? jab zalim ke khilaf awaz uthayee jaye to ek dam awaz uthanay walay ko true muslim/fake muslim ki meezan mai nahi utar dia kijiye. jab koi baat ghalat karay to usko condemn karen aur jab koi sahi baat karay to usko support bhi karen.
 

usmanrock

Voter (50+ posts)
kioun kay ghamidi k mutabiq ghamidi k aas pas rahany walo ki zindagi ghamidi ki waja sa khatray ma agae thi is waja sa ghamidi ko mulk chorna para
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
please do tell who of the current religious leaders is a true muslim? jab zalim ke khilaf awaz uthayee jaye to ek dam awaz uthanay walay ko true muslim/fake muslim ki meezan mai nahi utar dia kijiye. jab koi baat ghalat karay to usko condemn karen aur jab koi sahi baat karay to usko support bhi karen.

Dr Israr marhoom was a great islamic scholar, he never left the country even though he was odds with many rulers of Pakistan, rest all of them apni dukaan baichtay hain
 

Xiggs

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Dr Israr marhoom was a great islamic scholar, he never left the country even though he was odds with many rulers of Pakistan, rest all of them apni dukaan baichtay hain

chalen theek hai agar aap esa samajhti hain to....phir dua kijiye ke Allah aapko Dr. Israr ke shagirdon aur perokaron mai shamil karay iss dunia mai bhi aur akhirat mai bhi. :)

wassalam!
 

indigo

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Dr Israr marhoom was a great islamic scholar, he never left the country even though he was odds with many rulers of Pakistan, rest all of them apni dukaan baichtay hain

Dr Israr Marhoom ko is wajha se jaan ka hatra nahi tha kiyo kh unho ne Taliban ko kabhi condemned nahi kiya... jabjay Ghamidi sb or unkay associates nay daray bagaer unhay condemned krtay rahay hain, jiski wajha se Ghamidi sb kay Ishraq kay Editor or Sawat Islamic University kay Headmaster Dr Farooq ka qatal Taliban kr chukay hain. Batay krna bohat assan hai. Ghamidi sb na hi koi Siasat daan hai or na hi koi Inqalabi , sirf or sirf talibulmana kaam krtay hain
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Character is best judged by Allah , every man has weaknesses. I was just saying , is there anything wrong with the article he has written. It's only telling the taliban that what you are doing is wrong with references and logic. I am sure everyone of us thinks that taliban are doing wrong unless someone is a taliban himself.


I totally agree with the assumption that do not see who is saying, see what he is saying. There are lots of people with good words and themselves as unpractical as one can be. Now lets see what this Taliban fitna is doing to our Pakistan Pschie. At least if not anything else, it raised the possibility to see ourselves under the mirror. I am against this forcefully applying Islamic Punishments within your occupied terroteries, However, Look at the Pakistani society as a whole . Do you really think , that this is the ultimate Isamic society and its practices ? An incident which was blown out of propotion and used as a Government propaganda started from this notarious lady ' SHAMIN" and her private brothal house in the middle of a family neighbourhood. The area people and the others placed several complains to remove her activities from the area , but the authorities never bothered to listen. There was pressure from the higher up to continue to protect her activities inspite of the opposition of the whole neighhbourhood. what trasnpired after that is well known to everyone.

When state fails to implement the laws and protect their own subjects from the haram activities of such nature, who you think has a right to stop this filth ? would you think Ghamdi will carry the flag of even peaceful protest to draw their attention ? Did he really came out and said a single word that the authorities failed miserably to implement the law of the land ? Mind you, I like many of his explanations and wish him good. But practical word's requirements are quite different than the theories of many scholars.
 

Umer Baloch

MPA (400+ posts)
If he hadn't left the county same would happen to him what happend with Salman taseer and people like you'd be clapping and calling mumtaz qadri a hero.
If he is a true muslim why has he run away, makes him a shady character in my eyes. He has the same liberal facist approach of MQM and his brave mentor Gen. Musharraf
 

jahanzaibi

Senator (1k+ posts)
Javed Ahmed Ghadha .. .. un ullema ki tarhan hay jin kay baray may quran may hay.. Kama salay himar...
kay bus kitabeen ladi hain likin unki samajh nahi..
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Dr Israr Marhoom ko is wajha se jaan ka hatra nahi tha kiyo kh unho ne Taliban ko kabhi condemned nahi kiya... jabjay Ghamidi sb or unkay associates nay daray bagaer unhay condemned krtay rahay hain, jiski wajha se Ghamidi sb kay Ishraq kay Editor or Sawat Islamic University kay Headmaster Dr Farooq ka qatal Taliban kr chukay hain. Batay krna bohat assan hai. Ghamidi sb na hi koi Siasat daan hai or na hi koi Inqalabi , sirf or sirf talibulmana kaam krtay hain

Konsay walay pakistani yeh Afghani. Agar app kahain kay dono aik hain to behas fazool hai.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
taleban hun ya ghamdi sb yaa dr tahir qadri sb yaa koi aur sb islam deen hai mazhab hai hi nahin. jab tak log islam ko mazhabi chasma lagaa kar dekhte rahen ge woh in maseebatun se nikal hi nahin sakte jo in ko khud apne kartootun ki waja se ghere huwe hen.

har molvi logoon ko draane ke liye yahee kehta hai Allah ne falaan ko azaab kia aur falaan ko azaab kiya yaa falaan qowm ko barbaad kiya. yeh baat sire hi se ghalat hai magar log sochte hi nahin keh khudaa ki zaat ki taraf kaisi baaten mansoob kar rehe hen. jab khudaa kisi qowm ki haalat khud badalta hi nahin to phir khudaa par kisi baat ka ilzaam hi kaisa. har qowm apni achhi buri haalat ki khud zimmadar hai. jaiso karo ge waisa bharo ge. aag main haath daalo ge to jale ga hi. is main khudaa ka kia qasoor hai? us ne aag banayee aur bataa diya yeh jalaane ka kaam kati hai. aage aap jaano aur aap ka kaam.

Allah ne insaan ko azaab dene ke liye peda hi nahin kiya. us ne is ko peda is liye kiya hai takeh yeh us ki qudat ka mazhar bane. pehle din se hi us ne yahee kaha ham ne is ko bulandi par pohnchaane ke liye peda kiya hai apni ghoro fikar aur amal ke zariya. is ko baa ikhtayaar peda kiya gayaa hai aur hidayat is liye is ko di gayee takeh us hidayat aur apni soch se yeh duniya par ghaalib aa jaaye aur yun khudaa ki kaarigari insaaniyat par zahir ho jaaye.

qowmen kyun tabah hui is ki tafseel quran main mojood hai. yani jin logoon ne apne dimaagh aur khudayee hidayat istemaal hi na kiye woh ghaltiyun par ghaltiyan karte gaye aur yun khud ko tabaho barbad kar baithe. kyunkeh system behr haal khudaa hi ne set up kiya hai aur khudaa ne hi program ko tarteeb diya hai isi liye nisbat khudaa ne har baat ki apni taraf kar di hai.

chaaqoo ham ne banaa diya chaaye koi is ko achhe maqsad ke liye istemaal kare yaa bure ke liye yeh istemaal karne waale par hai. albata banaane waala agar chaqoo banaata hi nahin to woh istemaal hi na hota. is lihaaz se khudaa cheezun ki nisbat apni taraf karta hai.

kia in maulana hazraat ki aqal kaam karti hai keh jab ham quran ko kholte hen to sab se pehle ham ko kia nazar aata hai? bismilla, din raat khudaa ko rahmaano raheem bataate hen phir khudaa ki taraf aisi baaten mansoob karte hen. kia in ke nazdeeq quran main aisa kuchh hi paaya jaata hai jaisa yeh log samajjte hen? agar aiasa hai to yeh tazaad hai aur quran kehta hai is main mutazaad bat hi nahin hai aur fil waaqe hi nahin hai.

kaise ho sakta hai Allah insaan ko jahil peda kare maan ke pait se phir khud hi us ke aik din main aalim ban jane ki tawaqo rakhe jab ke insaan ahista ahista parwarish paata aur parwaan chadta hai jismaani aur dimaaghi lihaaz se? insaan ko aap log dekhte nahin ho kaise nashwo numaa paata hai? kitna waqt lagta hai us ko aik aik cheez seekhne main. is liye khudaa ki taraf quran ko tod marod kar ghalat baatun ko mansoob mat karo.

khudaa kisi gaaon ka bada chaudhari nahin hai ke baat baat par apne zere saaya logoon ka jeena haraam kar de.

ummat isi liye aaj tak zaleel hoti chali aa rahee hai ke is ne bewaqoof molavyun ke peechhe chalna shuru kar diya tha. zaroorat is baat ki hai log quran ki zabaan ko samjhen aur duniya ke haqaaiq par nazar bhi rakhen ta keh quran ki drust samajh un ko haasil ho jaaye jo Allah ko maqsood hai.

apni zindagiyan un jahil logoon ke peechhe mat barbaad karo jo khud ko aalim bataate hen magar quran ko samajhne ki koshish hi nahin karte. bas suni sunayee baatun ko islam samjhe huwe hen aur yun apni aur doosrun ki zindagyan tabah kar rehe hen.

Hamaara khudaa rehmaano raheem, hamaara nabi rehmat sab jahanu ke liye isi liye ghalat baatun ki nisbat un ki zaat ki taraf sakht ghalat baat hai.

Allah taala ne kisi insaan ko bhi kabhi bhi azaab main nahin daala. us ne insaan ko baa ikhtayaar peda kiya isi liye jo daaira khudaa ne insaan ke ikhtayaar main apne maqsad ke liye diya us main woh kabhi bhi mudaakhlat nahin karta.

insaan Allah hi ka lagaaya huwa aik poda hai jis ko us ne sab kuchh diya ta keh apne ikhtayaar se is jahan main taraqi karta chala jaaye us ki di hui hidayat ke mutaabiq aur aik din aasmaan bhi haqeeqatan us ke perun ke neeche ho. sab jahaanu ko mussakhar karne ki Allah hi ne insaan main khasusiyato qaabliyat rakhi hai, jaise aik mamooli beej main aik bahot bada drukht banane ki salahiyato ehliyat.

insaan ko aik mamooli hesiyat se aik bahot hi badi hesiyat ka maalik banana hai jis ke liye waqt darkaar hai.

Quran koi mazhabi kitaab nahin hai keh ham is main pooja paat ke masle dhoondate rehen aur apas main jhagde khade karte rehen. yeh insaan ko jagaane waali kitaab hai. is ka kehna hai khol aankh zameen dekh fizaa dekh. sitaarun se aage jahan aur bhi hen.

in baatun ko agar ham ab bhi na samjhen ge to phir kab samjhe ge?

is liye ham ko jahil mullah ko aik taraf kar dena chaiye ta keh ham quran ke saheeh paighaam ko samajh saken aur us par amal kar ke aasmanu ki bulandiyun par pohnch saken jis maqsad ke liye Allah ne insaan ko peda kiya hai. yaheeh hamaari khudaa ki abdiyat ka taqaaza hai keh ham us ki kaarigari ka nazaara apni aankhun se dekhen aur wah wah pukaar uthen ke us ne kia cheez banayee hai insaan ki shakal main.
 
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realityhurts

Councller (250+ posts)
im saying it again and again that this forum has been hijacked by " pervaizies " and the cult ....The devil named "ghamdi" is a pervaizi ,,, i dont know why admin either delete or dont allow our post but ..allow ghamdi " dajjal"



If he is a true muslim why has he run away, makes him a shady character in my eyes. He has the same liberal facist approach of MQM and his brave mentor Gen. Musharraf

I don't know if he is a true muslim or not , neither is he telling us to follow him. It is his point of view which we have to accept or not and I think he has presented this case particularly well.

What he is preaching which he is not practicing? Only ad hominem attacks coming from you.

kioun kay ghamidi k mutabiq ghamidi k aas pas rahany walo ki zindagi ghamidi ki waja sa khatray ma agae thi is waja sa ghamidi ko mulk chorna para

Konsay walay pakistani yeh Afghani. Agar app kahain kay dono aik hain to behas fazool hai.
 

jee_nee_us

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

I totally agree with the assumption that do not see who is saying, see what he is saying. There are lots of people with good words and themselves as unpractical as one can be. Now lets see what this Taliban fitna is doing to our Pakistan Pschie. At least if not anything else, it raised the possibility to see ourselves under the mirror. I am against this forcefully applying Islamic Punishments within your occupied terroteries, However, Look at the Pakistani society as a whole . Do you really think , that this is the ultimate Isamic society and its practices ? An incident which was blown out of propotion and used as a Government propaganda started from this notarious lady ' SHAMIN" and her private brothal house in the middle of a family neighbourhood. The area people and the others placed several complains to remove her activities from the area , but the authorities never bothered to listen. There was pressure from the higher up to continue to protect her activities inspite of the opposition of the whole neighhbourhood. what trasnpired after that is well known to everyone.

When state fails to implement the laws and protect their own subjects from the haram activities of such nature, who you think has a right to stop this filth ? would you think Ghamdi will carry the flag of even peaceful protest to draw their attention ? Did he really came out and said a single word that the authorities failed miserably to implement the law of the land ? Mind you, I like many of his explanations and wish him good. But practical word's requirements are quite different than the theories of many scholars.

Definitely there is a lot wrong in the society , from ruling elite to the everyday wage winner. We are reaping what we sowed during afghan war and before.

Pakistan is not an islamic state by any measure of imagination , it is a state where majority of people are muslim. Our banks run on interests , though our constitution says that there can't be any law made contrary to islamic shariah but why does not it say anything about the interest? How do you expect a muslim society to grow where finance is interest based! Adhay teetar adhay bater hen hen to kon decide kerega ke society mein kya hona chahye ..yah to pooore system ko (politicial , judicial aur defence) islam qabool kerwayen ya phir secular ho jayen.

Adha teeter aadha bater munafqat he.
 
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vitamin B15

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If he is a true muslim why has he run away, makes him a shady character in my eyes. He has the same liberal facist approach of MQM and his brave mentor Gen. Musharraf
idk why you guys use the word liberal fascist, do you even know the meaning.but
I think you've heard it on tv .mqmers are just fascists