Is this translation is correct? 53:1

[Mughal1]

Mughal1, no need to see this link, it must be your master and guru Pervaiz, I bet.(bigsmile)
And we know what he and you believe. No Angels, right!!! instead they are forces of nature.:lol::lol:

Dear crankthskunk, I am glad you are having your fun may be one day you will start thinking about the issues you disagree with seriously and come up with better explanations than parwez sb.

http://www.parwez.tv/free-audio.html

regards and all the best

 

[crankthskunk]

Dear crankthskunk, I am glad you are having your fun may be one day you will start thinking about the issues you disagree with seriously and come up with better explanations than parwez sb.

http://www.parwez.tv/free-audio.html

regards and all the best

Mugal1, looking at the face of Pervaiz is not a priority in my life. Why should I bother to listen to a person who has no knowledge, education or understanding of the Holy Quran? As for the non-sense on "forces of nature" BS, humans know very little about the universe. Anyone making definite statements like "Angels" are forces of nature and only mentioned as metaphor in the Holy Quran, is totally misguided and also misguiding others.

Here is something, which may make you think, I know you are beyond redemption after listening to idiot like Pervaiz but may be, just may be!!

The Extraordinary Paranormal Events On The Salyut 7 Space Station

Tanya Wallace


Taking a look into the strange paranormal events that took place on the Salyut 7 space station in the summer of 1984. Angels seen in space by Russian cosmonauts.


In the summer of 1984, cosmonauts of the Soviet space station, Salyut 7, reported a strange event even by the standards of space. Commander Oleg Atkov and comrades Vladmir Solovyov and Leonid Kizim were on the 155th day of their mission when they reported to ground control that the space station was completely surrounded and bathed in a spectacular orange light.

For a few short moments the light was so bright it completely blinded the cosmonauts. Unsure of what had happened, when they regained their eyesight, each of them peered out the portholes thinking that it may have been some type of explosion or fire, as the Salyut 7 already had a track record for number of fires occurring on previous occasions, but what the cosmonauts saw was even more staggering then the light.

Incredibly they reported seeing the faces of seven angels who were hovering just outside the space station. They told ground control their faces and bodies looked human but these beings had wings and misty-like halos. The angels kept up with the movement and speed of the space station for 10 minutes before disappearing as quickly as they had come.

Being logical, the cosmonauts talked this matter over amongst themselves and agreed that because they had been in space for so long, they were probably were suffering from the stress of long term space travel and were more than likely having some kind of group hallucination.

After spending another 11 days on the space station, on day 167, the crew was then joined by three more of their colleagues from the Soyuz T-12 space craft, Svetlana Savitskaya, Igor Volk and Vladimir Dzhanibekov. After only a short period of time upon entering the space station the crew once again reported to ground control that the space station was bathed in a dazzling orange light.

Now all six of the cosmonauts looked out the portholes and reported seeing seven angels all resembling humans but with wings. Each angel was reported to have been as big as a jet airliner and each of them had a smile of their face as if trying to share some kind of knowledgeable secret with the cosmonauts. Again keeping up with the movements and speed of the space station for a short while they later just simply disappeared.

Longterm stress could certainly explain what had happened to the first crew members, however; it was only a short while after the arrival of the second crew that the angels revealed themselves again. How could the second crew be suffering from the stress of long term space travel as they had just arrived. All six cosmonauts saw this event take place right before their very eyes with no explanation as to why the second time.

After this strange phenomena occurred the crew went on to set a record of 237 days in space . After the crew left the Salyut 7, it was lost in space in 1985 and began to drift. When recovered, they found it completely dead of all charge and covered in ice but after diagnosing the problems they were able to fix the vessel.
The Salyut 7 was last used in 1986. It reentered the earths atmosphere in 1991, just over Argentina, falling uncontrollably and scattering most of its debris over a town named Captian Bermudez.

There are numerous Ahdiths which described that the Angels are beings created from light. Their physical attributes are not visible to human, but they are capable to reveal themselves.

43:19And [yet] they claim that the Angels - who in themselves are but beings created by the Most Gracious - are females: [but] did they witness their creation? This false claim of theirs will be recorded, and they will be called to account [for it on Judgment Day]!

Forces of nature are not beings.

25:22 [Yet] on that Day - the Day on which they shall see the Angels there will be no glad tiding for those who were lost in sin; and they will exclaim, By a forbidding ban [are we from Gods grace debarred]!

So, on the day of Judgement when we shall see the Angels, there would be no glad tiding for you, whatsoever.
I suggest you keep yourself in the darkness and keep believing in liars like Mirza or Pervaiz, good luck to you.

The fact is the Holy Quran mentioned that Prophet SAW, saw Gabriel AS twice in his AS true form. Once during his As descend when the whole visible spectrum was filled with his As presence. Ahadiths traditions tell us, he AS had 600 wings.

We as Muslim have to believe in every Word of the Holy Quran. Prophet SAW was not seeing "Forces of nature" in their true form. He has described to the Sahabas the shape and nature of Gabriel As.

And when the Holy Quran decree us to believe in Allah SWT, in His Prophets, in His revelations and in His Angels, all the other three are realities, so why only the Angels would be "forces of nature"?

Don't tell me you believe that Allah SWT is also a "Force of Nature" or "Nature" itself is God ( nauzobillah). I am sure after following Mirza and Pervaiz nothing is beyond you.

 

[Mughal1]

Mugal1, looking at the face of Pervaiz is not a priority in my life. Why should I bother to listen to a person who has no knowledge, education or understanding of the Holy Quran? As for the non-sense on "forces of nature" BS, humans know very little about the universe. Anyone making definite statements like "Angels" are forces of nature and only mentioned as metaphor in the Holy Quran, is totally misguided and also misguiding others.

Here is something, which may make you think, I know you are beyond redemption after listening to idiot like Pervaiz but may be, just may be!!



There are numerous Ahdiths which described that the Angels are beings created from light. Their physical attributes are not visible to human, but they are capable to reveal themselves.

43:19And [yet] they claim that the Angels - who in themselves are but beings created by the Most Gracious - are females: [but] did they witness their creation? This false claim of theirs will be recorded, and they will be called to account [for it on Judgment Day]!

Forces of nature are not beings.

25:22 [Yet] on that Day - the Day on which they shall see the Angels there will be no glad tiding for those who were lost in sin; and they will exclaim, By a forbidding ban [are we from Gods grace debarred]!

So, on the day of Judgement when we shall see the Angels, there would be no glad tiding for you, whatsoever.
I suggest you keep yourself in the darkness and keep believing in liars like Mirza or Pervaiz, good luck to you.

The fact is the Holy Quran mentioned that Prophet SAW, saw Gabriel AS twice in his AS true form. Once during his As descend when the whole visible spectrum was filled with his As presence. Ahadiths traditions tell us, he AS had 600 wings.

We as Muslim have to believe in every Word of the Holy Quran. Prophet SAW was not seeing "Forces of nature" in their true form. He has described to the Sahabas the shape and nature of Gabriel As.

And when the Holy Quran decree us to believe in Allah SWT, in His Prophets, in His revelations and in His Angels, all the other three are realities, so why only the Angels would be "forces of nature"?

Don't tell me you believe that Allah SWT is also a "Force of Nature" or "Nature" itself is God ( nauzobillah). I am sure after following Mirza and Pervaiz nothing is beyond you.

Dear crankthskunk, as I said learning is a life long process and you are just beginning in this field. You will have to let go make beliefs or result is not going to be to your liking once you are near the end of your life. I hope you have the long life because life can end at any time and wrong paths particularly make beliefs leave people in lurch.

As for the paranormal, please think of vested interests who benefit from making up such stories. World is run on false notions and has been through out history of mankind. Whenever people invent and spread stories the ignorant people always fall for it that is why humanity as a whole is in the state of affairs that it is.

The divine mission is all about raising mankind out of ignorance and nonsense to heights of knowledge. All I can advise is that interest in childish stories is not a healthy one for an adult and thinking mind therefore educated people are those who grow out of them as they become better aware of things all around them. Of course it takes longer for some than others. However some kids never grow out of childhood so all I can do is leave them to themselves because discoveries only come to those who make efforts to explore and discover thing. Make belief based minds do not need to do anything they just need to sit and believe with all their power and things will happen for them all by themselves. Self deception is very much prevalent in our culture and in such a culture it is very easy to make up stories and spread them and fool make each other fool without much bother.

This is not the case only with people who claim to be muslims but all other people as well with similar mindset and attitude. Hoaxes are many times exposed by many concerned people but because people have a mindset therefore they keep falling for the same tricks.

If the jaadu is not in chulla then it is in tanoor. As the saying goes beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Make belief minds are difficult to convince mere by arguments because arguments are all about proof and proving and that is all about reasoning and reality. Is it not strange that even make belief minds use arguments to try to prove their stand point. IT is because they cannot see the contradictions that stare them in the face. It is because they lack in ability of of their reasoning.

The quran tries to educate people out of ignorance by teaching people how to reason. It confronts peoples' unreasonable stands. It tries to educate people about rules so that they could see which reasons stand and which reasons do not and therefore which reasons can help build the complete picture and which cannot. That is how we can come to know whether something is true or false. But ultimately we are all free to follow what we think is right and good for ourselves till the results of our actions confirm our stand points. So it is all matter of waiting till game is over.

regards and all the best.

 

[adilumer]

Is this translation is correct???? Is this translation correct.

 

[crankthskunk]

Dear crankthskunk, as I said learning is a life long process and you are just beginning in this field. You will have to let go make beliefs or result is not going to be to your liking once you are near the end of your life. I hope you have the long life because life can end at any time and wrong paths particularly make beliefs leave people in lurch.

As for the paranormal, please think of vested interests who benefit from making up such stories. World is run on false notions and has been through out history of mankind. Whenever people invent and spread stories the ignorant people always fall for it that is why humanity as a whole is in the state of affairs that it is.

The divine mission is all about raising mankind out of ignorance and nonsense to heights of knowledge. All I can advise is that interest in childish stories is not a healthy one for an adult and thinking mind therefore educated people are those who grow out of them as they become better aware of things all around them. Of course it takes longer for some than others. However some kids never grow out of childhood so all I can do is leave them to themselves because discoveries only come to those who make efforts to explore and discover thing. Make belief based minds do not need to do anything they just need to sit and believe with all their power and things will happen for them all by themselves. Self deception is very much prevalent in our culture and in such a culture it is very easy to make up stories and spread them and fool make each other fool without much bother.

This is not the case only with people who claim to be muslims but all other people as well with similar mindset and attitude. Hoaxes are many times exposed by many concerned people but because people have a mindset therefore they keep falling for the same tricks.

If the jaadu is not in chulla then it is in tanoor. As the saying goes beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Make belief minds are difficult to convince mere by arguments because arguments are all about proof and proving and that is all about reasoning and reality. Is it not strange that even make belief minds use arguments to try to prove their stand point. IT is because they cannot see the contradictions that stare them in the face. It is because they lack in ability of of their reasoning.

The quran tries to educate people out of ignorance by teaching people how to reason. It confronts peoples' unreasonable stands. It tries to educate people about rules so that they could see which reasons stand and which reasons do not and therefore which reasons can help build the complete picture and which cannot. That is how we can come to know whether something is true or false. But ultimately we are all free to follow what we think is right and good for ourselves till the results of our actions confirm our stand points. So it is all matter of waiting till game is over.

regards and all the best.

Why are you writing, I have just started the journey. I have spent years learning the Holy Quran.

Why would Russian Cosmonauts make up stories? And not just one or two but six of them?
Or was it you outside their window with your mates?:lol::lol:

 

[mustafvi]

Tahir ul Qadri

1. قَسم ہے روشن ستارے (محمد صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) کی جب وہ (چشمِ زدن میں شبِ معراج اوپر جا کر) نیچے اترےo

1. By the bright star (Muhammad [blessings and peace be upon him]) when (he ascended during the Ascension Night in the twinkling of an eye and) descended.

Here is the translation by few other scholars

53:1 (Asad) CONSIDER this unfolding [of Gods message], as it comes down from on high! [SUP][1]

[/SUP]53:1 (Y. Ali) By the Star when it goes down,-

53:1 (Picktall) By the Star when it setteth, -

Amin Ahsan Islahi

- شاہد ہیں ستارے جب کہ وہ گرتے ہیں۔


Javed Ahmad Ghamidi

تارے گواہی دیتے ہیں، جب وہ گرتے ہیں۔​

How many people you have tagged and even not tagged can understand Arabic here? And this is not a matter of understanding Arabic only. Can any one explain the exact time when this verse was revealed? These are quite sensitive things and I suggest that such topics should not be discussed in this forum.

 

[Mughal1]

Why are you writing, I have just started the journey. I have spent years learning the Holy Quran.

Why would Russian Cosmonauts make up stories? And not just one or two but six of them?
Or was it you outside their window with your mates?:lol::lol:

Well dear crankthskunk, do you really need me to tell you why people lie? You are talking about six people whereas millions lie and millions more follow those lies without ever questioning them. That is the world we live in. The whole world is controlled by liars yet you seem to be unaware of all this. May be gradually you will come to know why people lie and why people follow those lies but only if you would explore this yourself. If anyone suggests to you anything you rather avoid it because may be you are afraid of finding out the truth about things that you do not want to know. Only you can overcome your fears. Or may be you have not yet discovered the criterion for yourself to distinguish between truth and falsehood. In that case you better start working on it because that needs loads of time as it involves very hard work.

I can only wish you success but to be successful you will have to follow the goal with hard work.

regards and all the best

 

[Temojin]

Thread has been derailed, no use discussing here.

 

[Mughal1]

How many people you have tagged and even not tagged can understand Arabic here? And this is not a matter of understanding Arabic only. Can any one explain the exact time when this verse was revealed? These are quite sensitive things and I suggest that such topics should not be discussed in this forum.

Dear mustafvi, people ave very wrong idea about translation when it comes to the quranic text. They do not realise that you cannot actually translate the quran because 1)no language has words exactly equal in meanings and expressions as another and 2)because the quranic text in itself is uniquely structured. It is the very reason people cannot produce the text like that of quran. It carries parallel concepts all in one and the very same piece of text. Only reading the quran in its original language can help one understand what it is saying. All we can do is explain its textual concepts. Various people chose various aspects and emphasised them leaving out the rest. This is why all translations are defective and so are all tafaseer. Some more than others. Individuals realise these lacks and try to fill the gaps they see the while they miss out some others.

Dr qadri sb is a very informed person and has covered a lot of ground coming from brelavi background but he still has a lot of ground yet to cover as well. When a person starts expressing himself beyond norms of a society he comes from he is going to be criticised. So I would not worry about criticism so long as it is baseless. I like his work in trying to unite ummah and humanity in general though I see him leaning towards personality cult sort of thing. In my view he needs to be like that in order to help educate those kind of people out of their ignorance. Thanks to him a lot of brelavi people are getting better informed about islam and are moving away from some of the wrong ideas. It is going to take a lot of time to educate the totally lost people and qadri sb is doing a lot of good. A person can only do so much. For his part he has done ummah a lot of good and yes and lot mote needs to be done and hopefully people will keep on doing it till ummah becomes a real ummah the quran wants it to be.

I look at all people who express their understanding of islam as good teachers at various level. It is like people who teach naazra quran and meanings and ideas and so on and so forth. All are doing great job so long as they are staying out of sectarianism otherwise I label them ignorant and fasadi or mullahs.

Fasadies and their mullahs instead of contributing positively to ummah are busy dividing ummah for their anti islam agendas because a muslim cannot work against islam, muslims' and wider humanity. I support all muslim scholars who are trying to unite ummah regardless whichever sectarian background they come from.

By supporting people like these we are actually sending a strong signal to other scholars to come out and you will have support of ummah. This is a good way to undermine and isolate fasadi people in the ummah.

regards and all the best.