Is Hijab valid today?

Keep the trust

Minister (2k+ posts)
Both formal and informal dresses can be modest. In official dinners people dress formally thats why you did not happen to see shorts in a formal dinner
West mai log parday kay liya fine pay karrahay hain aur aap pak mai uss per sawal utha rahay hain.. any how manana ya manana aap ki marzi.
 

Dr Adam

President (40k+ posts)
Yeah thats why you are giving Thumbsup to every comment abusing me
Salam
Because your opponents comments on the matter under discussion are in line with our divine religion as compared to your knee jerk superficial utterings which do NOT make any sense.
Enough.
WaaAlaikum Salaam.
 

StarTrooper

MPA (400+ posts)
Because your opponents comments on the matter under discussion are in line with our divine religion as compared to your knee jerk superficial utterings which do NOT make any sense.
Enough.
WaaAlaikum Salaam.
It is your prerogative to declare your liked tribal pagan culture as divine what can I say, I can just make such threads to enlighten you
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Quran 33: 59

O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments.1 That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.



One thing is clear from this Quranic verse that Hijab is for identification for believing women. Now we turn to Tafsirs why this identification was needed

Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs

(O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them) to cover their necks and bosoms ((when they go abroad). That will be better, that so they may be recognised) as free women (and not annoyed) and not be harmed by the fornicators. (Allah is ever Forgiving) He forgives what they have done in the past, (Merciful) He shows mercy on them regarding that which they will do in the future.

Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir

Here Allah tells His Messenger to command the believing women -- especially his wives and daughters, because of their position of honor -- to draw their Jilbabs over their bodies, so that they will be distinct in their appearance from the women of the Jahiliyyah and from slave women. The Jilbab is a Rida', worn over the Khimar. This was the view of Ibn Mas`ud, `Ubaydah, Qatadah, Al-Hasan Al-Basri, Sa`id bin Jubayr, Ibrahim An-Nakha`i, `Ata' Al-Khurasani and others. It is like the Izar used today. Al-Jawhari said: "The Jilbab is the outer wrapper. `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas said that Allah commanded the believing women, when they went out of their houses for some need, to cover their faces from above their heads with the Jilbab, leaving only one eye showing. Muhammad bin Sirin said, "I asked `Ubaydah As-Salmani about the Ayah:يُدْنِينَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِن جَلَـبِيبِهِنَّ(to draw their Jalabib over their bodies.) He covered his face and head, with just his left eye showing.''ذلِكَ أَدْنَى أَن يُعْرَفْنَ فَلاَ يُؤْذَيْنَ(That will be better that they should be known so as not to be annoyed. ) means, if they do that, it will be known that they are free, and that they are not servants or whores.

Tafsir of Imam Abdul Razzaq al-Sanani, Al-Musannaf:


Another narration from his tafsir:



Also, the same stance from Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Qayyim.

Is Hijab to identify married women ?

Narrated `Aisha:
The wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqi` at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. `Umar used to say to the Prophet (ﷺ) "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam`a the wife of the Prophet (ﷺ) went out at `Isha' time and she was a tall lady. `Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-Hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).
Sahih al Bukhari 146
Book 4, Hadith 12


Is Hijab a solution?


A'isha reported that Sauda (Allah he pleated with her) went out (in the fields) in order to answer the call of nature even after the time when veil had been prescribed for women. She had been a bulky lady, significant in height amongst the women, and she could not conceal herself from him who had known her. 'Umar b. Khattab saw her and said:
Sauda, by Allah, you cannot conceal from us. Therefore, be careful when you go out. She ('A'isha) said: She turned back. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was at that time in my house having his evening meal and there was a bone in his hand. She (Sauda) cline and said: Allah's Messenger. I went out and 'Umar said to me so and so. She ('A'isha) reported: There came the revelation to him and then it was over; the bone was then in his hand and he had not thrown it and he said:" Permission has been granted to you that you may go out for your needs."
Sahih Muslim2170a : Book 39, Hadith 23


Conclusion

It is clear Hijab was for identification to differentiate between free women and slave women so that people do not approch or abuse them as they do with slave women
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for married women so that people do not approch/ annoy them with marriage proposals thinking that they are free/unmarried

As slavery has been abolished through out world by UNO. No slavery means there is no validity left for Hijab to differentiate between free and slave women.

Indeed those unmarried women who wear hijab is equal to a declaration by them that the believing/free women who do not wear hijab are slaves and should be abused which is itself a slander and a participation in a crime against other free women


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There is no such thing as hijab in the Quran, the word hijab has never been used in the Quran pertaining to womens attire. Hijab means barrier and not what we think it means.

There is only part of the Quran which addresses the dress code for both men and women and thats it. The Verse you have quoted was mostly for the prophet's wives for a certain situation.

That's why you will find hadith where the prophets wives spoke to people from behind a curtain or veil. No other women of the time did that or were required to do that.

This whole debate I find real petty ( not pointing my finger at you but talking in general ) You think Allah s.w.t really cares what you dress like, if your head is covered or not, whether you have a beard or not, whether your shalwar is above your ankles or not? First we exhalt Allah as the most gracious, the most merciful and then immediately say and to be honest insult him ( nauzibilah ) that he is so petty that he is more worried about how one looks likes or dresses so much so that he condemns them to eternal damnation?

I think people who concentrate on such petty matters really haven't understood the true spirit and meaning of Islam, and fail to see its bigger picture.
 

Nice2MU

President (40k+ posts)
bhai main ny aap sy shayad ziada parha mughay bhe aisa he maloom hua lolz khooni librals ke aik or bongi well said

برادر الحمدللہ اتنا تو پڑھا ہے کہ کوئی مولوی یا ایسا خونی لبرل دھوکہ نہیں دے سکتا۔۔۔ میں نے یہ پوسٹ بارے کی تھی ۔۔
 

khipk

Senator (1k+ posts)
You are the one in Favor Of exposed ass Not I.
You said Naked Ass won't attract nothing then bring your maama's ass.
Why you encourage other women nudity bring your own mama and sisi in the play.
COME ON
Its obvious that naked Ass would attract more. But if someone forces himself on the one with naked ass(be it a man or woman), he wont be justified at all. and he is the one doing the crime.
Look at it this way, if you leave your car unlocked with keys inside, it will attract thieves. this doesnt mean that its not a crime to steal it. Stealing the car is still a crime, whether its unlocked or not. Having it unlocked doesnt justify stealing,.
 

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