India asks Saudi Arabia to help improve ties with Pakistan

[commander]

In an interesting development, India has asked Saudi Arabia to play role of a mediator between India and Pakistan.
Talking to media in Riaz, Indian Minister of State for External Affairs Shashi Tharoor has said that Saudi Arabia and India are faced with similar terror threat and as such both the countries should deliberate upon the issues concerning Pakistan and Afghanistan. A strong terrorist network has been emerged covering Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine and Yemen, Tharoor noted and hoped of having constructive talks with Saudi Arabia in this regard. Meanwhile, talking to mediapersons, Indian envoy Talmeez Ahmed has said that Saudi Arabia is a part of war against terror and added that the latter has some reservations over Pakistans inability to capture key militants.
News Analysis


Dr. Hasan Askari Rizvi

India wants to manipulate Saudi pressure on Pakistan

Senior analyst Hasan Askari, while talking to Dunya News, said that India has no intention to make any country interlocutor, adding that it only wanted to exert Saudi pressure on Pakistan. He also noted that India wanted to take up only terrorism issue with Pakistan. Replying to a question, Askari maintained that on one hand India wanted to enhance ties with Saudi Arabia, but simultaneously it has started an anti-Pakistan movement. He said India wanted Suadi Arabia to convince Pakistan to talk terrorism only, as it thought that LeT was behind all terrorist activities in the region. He said India was trying to make the international community realize that Pakistans efforts against terrorism are not enough.

http://www.dunyanews.tv/main_category_e ... d=2&flag=d

 

[saynotwar]

FIRST INDIA MUST DEFINE WHAT THEY ACTUALLY WANT FROM PAKISTAN!
ONCE THEY MADE UP THEIR MINDS THE NEXT STEP IS TO HAVE REALISTIC
DEMANDS!

Don't ask pakistan to bring stars from sky its not possible for us
like closing those camps which DONT exist in pakistan or dawood ibrahim
and take action against hafiz mohammed saeed and other people.

[pk flag]

 

[gazoomartian]

In an interesting development, India has asked Saudi Arabia to play role of a mediator between India and Pakistan.
Talking to media in Riaz, Indian Minister of State for External Affairs Shashi Tharoor has said that Saudi Arabia and India are faced with similar terror threat and as such both the countries should deliberate upon the issues concerning Pakistan and Afghanistan. A strong terrorist network has been emerged covering Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine and Yemen, Tharoor noted and hoped of having constructive talks with Saudi Arabia in this regard. Meanwhile, talking to mediapersons, Indian envoy Talmeez Ahmed has said that Saudi Arabia is a part of war against terror and added that the latter has some reservations over Pakistans inability to capture key militants.
News Analysis


Dr. Hasan Askari Rizvi

India wants to manipulate Saudi pressure on Pakistan

Senior analyst Hasan Askari, while talking to Dunya News, said that India has no intention to make any country interlocutor, adding that it only wanted to exert Saudi pressure on Pakistan. He also noted that India wanted to take up only terrorism issue with Pakistan. Replying to a question, Askari maintained that on one hand India wanted to enhance ties with Saudi Arabia, but simultaneously it has started an anti-Pakistan movement. He said India wanted Suadi Arabia to convince Pakistan to talk terrorism only, as it thought that LeT was behind all terrorist activities in the region. He said India was trying to make the international community realize that Pakistans efforts against terrorism are not enough.

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They also want to ensure that KSA doesnt interrupt oil to India in case of war with Pak. His trip should be taken with serious concern in Islamabad.

After Singh is back, Gillani should take his entourage to meet the King to neutralize Singh's meeting.

 

[Star Gazer]

Strange are the ways of the neighbor. On one hand india has always refused to accept a third party intervention in any matter especially with Pakistan,while on the other hand it is trying to engage SA. India should first announce if there is a change in it's policy of accepting third party intervention/mediation,if so be the case then Pakistan can also ask other countries to help solve the Kashmir issue.
Ithink they are now 'sattpattaiy' hooway.

 

[desicad]

Strange are the ways of the neighbor. On one hand india has always refused to accept a third party intervention in any matter especially with Pakistan,while on the other hand it is trying to engage SA. India should first announce if there is a change in it's policy of accepting third party intervention/mediation,if so be the case then Pakistan can also ask other countries to help solve the Kashmir issue.
Ithink they are now 'sattpattaiy' hooway.

Mr. Tharoor did it again. This man has a habit of putting foot in his mouth and clarifying later. He should have known better that media would jump at the word 'Interlocutor'.

Saudi Arabia an 'interlocutor' not 'mediator': Tharoor
RIYADH: Following controversy over his remarks that Saudi Arabia can be a "valuable interlocutor" between India and Pakistan, MoS for external affairs Shashi Tharoor quickly clarified he did not mean Riyadh should be a mediator.

Meanwhile, the minister also issued a clarification on the Ministry of External Affairs website. The statement said: "A section of the media has misread the remarks made by me in Riyadh last evening. What I basically said was that Saudi Arabia is a valuable interlocutor for India. Any other interpretation was neither meant nor warranted."

In comments that raised eyebrows in Indian political circles, Tharoor had said, "We feel that Saudi Arabia of course has a long and close relationship with Pakistan but that makes Saudi Arabia even a more valuable interlocutor for us." Tharoor is currently accompanying Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on a three-day visit to the oil-rich kingdom.

"When we tell them about our experience, Saudi Arabia listens as somebody who is not in anyway an enemy of Pakistan but rather is a friend of Pakistan and therefore I am sure will listen with sympathy and concern to a matter of this nature," he said when asked by reporters what kind of cooperation did he expect from Riyadh considering its close relations with Islamabad.

"No chance of my saying Saudi Arabia should be a mediator. Never said that or anything like it," Tharoor said.

Tharoor also issued a 'clarification' on Twitter. "If I speak to u, u are my interlocutor! I mentioned the Saudis as OUR interlocutors, ie the people we are here to speak to. Some misinterpretn," he said.

Good day of mtgs, marred in some Indian media by misunderstanding of word "interlocutor". An interlocutor is someone u spk to, nothing more," he added.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... r-Tharoor/

 

[Star Gazer]

From What I have found out following are the meanings of the word "Interlocutor";
1 Talker
2 Speaker
3 Interviewer
4 Interrogator
5 Questioner

It is not simply 'some one you talk to' It means someone you talk to with a certain purpose. So desicad before you try to fool us make sure that your politicians weave a very intricate and ghambeer jala of confusion around the issue.
As for Mr. tharoor his anti Pakistan stance is well known.

 

[desicad]

From What I have found out following are the meanings of the word "Interlocutor";
1 Talker
2 Speaker
3 Interviewer
4 Interrogator
5 Questioner

It is not simply 'some one you talk to' It means someone you talk to with a certain purpose. So desicad before you try to fool us make sure that your politicians weave a very intricate and ghambeer jala of confusion around the issue.
As for Mr. tharoor his anti Pakistan stance is well known.

Haha....you did manage to spend some time with the dictionary.
I never said talking without any purpose. He didn't go there on a picnic to chit chat with Abdullah.
One thing is for sure it does not mean mediation between two parties.

 

[gazoomartian]

ub dekhna yeh hai key KSA ka camel kis karwat baithta hai.....

If KSA falls for Singh's whinning, and attempt to drive a wedge between KSA and Pak, then it will be a major setback for Pak

But what does govt of Pak care? They are busy looting the country [wall]

 

[dil-se-desi]

Strange are the ways of the neighbor. On one hand india has always refused to accept a third party intervention in any matter especially with Pakistan,while on the other hand it is trying to engage SA. India should first announce if there is a change in it's policy of accepting third party intervention/mediation,if so be the case then Pakistan can also ask other countries to help solve the Kashmir issue.
Ithink they are now 'sattpattaiy' hooway.

when you people ask for solution of kashmir problem do you
think india will give you kashmir on a plate?
you have destroyed your generations on this issue ,did you achieve anything?

put your house in order first,you know how grave situation is inside.you have
nothing to offer to indian kashmiris other than hunger and destruction.

worse case scenario....if the whole world unite against indian on kashmir issue
(chances are not there in next 2000 years) india has 18 crore indian muslim card,which it can play.
what is the future of 18 corore muslims in india after kashmir is gone????

 

[Star Gazer]

[quote="Star Gazer":ciifaxsc]Strange are the ways of the neighbor. On one hand india has always refused to accept a third party intervention in any matter especially with Pakistan,while on the other hand it is trying to engage SA. India should first announce if there is a change in it's policy of accepting third party intervention/mediation,if so be the case then Pakistan can also ask other countries to help solve the Kashmir issue.
Ithink they are now 'sattpattaiy' hooway.

when you people ask for solution of kashmir problem do you
think india will give you kashmir on a plate?
you have destroyed your generations on this issue ,did you achieve anything?

put your house in order first,you know how grave situation is inside.you have
nothing to offer to indian kashmiris other than hunger and destruction.

worse case scenario....if the whole world unite against indian on kashmir issue
(chances are not there in next 2000 years) india has 18 crore indian muslim card,which it can play.
what is the future of 18 corore muslims in india after kashmir is gone????[/quote:ciifaxsc]


This tantamounts to a racial threat!! Is this your thinking or you are giving us an idea ofn your governments thought process?

 

[desicad]

[quote="dil-se-desi":2eq3cj5d][quote="Star Gazer":2eq3cj5d]Strange are the ways of the neighbor. On one hand india has always refused to accept a third party intervention in any matter especially with Pakistan,while on the other hand it is trying to engage SA. India should first announce if there is a change in it's policy of accepting third party intervention/mediation,if so be the case then Pakistan can also ask other countries to help solve the Kashmir issue.
Ithink they are now 'sattpattaiy' hooway.

when you people ask for solution of kashmir problem do you
think india will give you kashmir on a plate?
you have destroyed your generations on this issue ,did you achieve anything?

put your house in order first,you know how grave situation is inside.you have
nothing to offer to indian kashmiris other than hunger and destruction.

worse case scenario....if the whole world unite against indian on kashmir issue
(chances are not there in next 2000 years) india has 18 crore indian muslim card,which it can play.
what is the future of 18 corore muslims in india after kashmir is gone????[/quote:2eq3cj5d]


This tantamounts to a racial threat!! Is this your thinking or you are giving us an idea ofn your governments thought process?[/quote:2eq3cj5d]
Haha... just relax, it is his personal opinion, may be he got carried away a bit.

 

[rakeem82]

It is a great development, India said last time that they are'nt desperate for talks all of a sudden run to Saudi Arabia take the route of US ask Saudi to pressurize Pakistan to deliver their demands of extraditing Pakistani citizens. They are seeing the effects of the shift in foreign policy of US who now need Pakistan's help in Afghanistan and are resorting to desperate tactics to persuade Pakistan. This govt. foreign policy is at least better than last Musharraf govt. who bend over backwards to get anything from them while these Indians dragged their feet. Pakistan's number one issue must be the blocking of rivers by India. Days after 26/11 an indian professor from bangalore wrote in dnaindia.com how Indians can turn Pakistan into a desert. We need to understand Indian dont understand peace they only understand 'strength' if Pakistan flex its muscle like breaching their airspace revoking of the ceasefire on the border[which they have been violating killing our jawans], putting more troops on the border with India and show them that Pakistan can inflict some form of damage [where they with their growing economy stand to lose more than us] if they block our rivers this Indian govt. is inherently coward they will blink sooner or later if they realize Pakistan is 'serious'.

 

[Star Gazer]

[quote="dil-se-desi":2r7dg6bk][quote="Star Gazer":2r7dg6bk] you people ask for solution of kashmir problem do you
think india will give you kashmir on a plate?
you have destroyed your generations on this issue ,did you achieve anything?

put your house in order first,you know how grave situation is inside.you have
nothing to offer to indian kashmiris other than hunger and destruction.

worse case scenario....if the whole world unite against indian on kashmir issue
(chances are not there in next 2000 years) india has 18 crore indian muslim card,which it can play.
what is the future of 18 corore muslims in india after kashmir is gone????

This tantamounts to a racial threat!! Is this your thinking or you are giving us an idea ofn your governments thought process?

Haha... just relax, it is his personal opinion, may be he got carried away a bit.[/quote:2r7dg6bk][/quote:2r7dg6bk]

It would be better if you would ask him to retract if you think he got carried away rather than tell me to relax.Untill then I maintain that he is threatening the indian muslims.

 

[dil-se-desi]

[quote="Star Gazer":3azeyycf][quote="dil-se-desi":3azeyycf][quote="Star Gazer":3azeyycf] you people ask for solution of kashmir problem do you
think india will give you kashmir on a plate?
you have destroyed your generations on this issue ,did you achieve anything?

put your house in order first,you know how grave situation is inside.you have
nothing to offer to indian kashmiris other than hunger and destruction.

worse case scenario....if the whole world unite against indian on kashmir issue
(chances are not there in next 2000 years) india has 18 crore indian muslim card,which it can play.
what is the future of 18 corore muslims in india after kashmir is gone????

This tantamounts to a racial threat!! Is this your thinking or you are giving us an idea ofn your governments thought process?

Haha... just relax, it is his personal opinion, may be he got carried away a bit.[/quote:3azeyycf][/quote:3azeyycf]

It would be better if you would ask him to retract if you think he got carried away rather than tell me to relax.Untill then I maintain that he is threatening the indian muslims.[/quote:3azeyycf]



neither I retract or carried away,It is a version ,been discussed on so many forums.
EVERYBODY PLAY ITS CARDS,like pakistan plays it nuclear card.

If country's integrity is at a stake that means secular forces fails and paves the way
for fundamentalists into the power and you know fundamentalist have same
philosophy worldwide.

so rest of the world will never support any more division of india on religion basis.
It will be disaster for whole world.lets pray secular forces to succeeds.

 

[dil-se-desi]

[quote="Star Gazer":2zj9axtm][quote="dil-se-desi":2zj9axtm][quote="Star Gazer":2zj9axtm] you people ask for solution of kashmir problem do you
think india will give you kashmir on a plate?
you have destroyed your generations on this issue ,did you achieve anything?

put your house in order first,you know how grave situation is inside.you have
nothing to offer to indian kashmiris other than hunger and destruction.

worse case scenario....if the whole world unite against indian on kashmir issue
(chances are not there in next 2000 years) india has 18 crore indian muslim card,which it can play.
what is the future of 18 corore muslims in india after kashmir is gone????

This tantamounts to a racial threat!! Is this your thinking or you are giving us an idea ofn your governments thought process?

Haha... just relax, it is his personal opinion, may be he got carried away a bit.[/quote:2zj9axtm][/quote:2zj9axtm]

It would be better if you would ask him to retract if you think he got carried away rather than tell me to relax.Untill then I maintain that he is threatening the indian muslims.[/quote:2zj9axtm]




one more question,when your people openly say to NUKE india on this forum,
you never conclude any threat to india muslims then.
when you nuke india ,will nukes not kill muslims there?is that ok for you.

one thing I conclude from you people that you are totally confuse from top to bottom
about your priorities.your illiterate citizens thinks OIC will unite and fight for them some day. and see how manmohan singh got welcom in saudi arbia.
they know worlds 70% trade is through indian ocean.india is their priority.
if you people keep an eye on global politics,affairs & realities then you will not
be shocked on any post on this from.

 

[furry87]

From What I have found out following are the meanings of the word "Interlocutor";
1 Talker
2 Speaker
3 Interviewer
4 Interrogator
5 Questioner

It is not simply 'some one you talk to' It means someone you talk to with a certain purpose. So desicad before you try to fool us make sure that your politicians weave a very intricate and ghambeer jala of confusion around the issue.
As for Mr. tharoor his anti Pakistan stance is well known.

Haha....you did manage to spend some time with the dictionary.
I never said talking without any purpose. He didn't go there on a picnic to chit chat with Abdullah.
One thing is for sure it does not mean mediation between two parties.

Precisely what we say all the time , the back stabbing never stops...we did not say u want a mediator, you just want to defame and malign pakistan. Till now ajmal kasab the lone surviving terrorist has not been convicted by ur courts infact he stated that he had been tortured and shot to spread false propaganda, and then ur own government admitted that there were indian links, now im not saying kasab didnt do it or that it wasnt a terrorist act...im just saying look at the facts please for once, many acts of terrorism were committed by your own hindu extremist as false flags and you cannot deny that..Im not saying we didnt support terrorism or arnt doing it now, im just saying there isnt enough compelling evidence out there to prove that we did mumbai or samjhota . And once again you chose to look at the after effects of the real problem and not the real problem itself. You can dodge and jump the real issue like youve been doing for 60 years but the world and paksitanis are not stupid.

Again what the article said India does not want a mediator because they know they are wrong ,all the article said was that you are putting pressure on pakistan by interlocuting and maligning it infront of the international community and more importantly our friends.
This is exactly the sort of behaviour that we pakistanis despise and this is exactly why we do not trust bharat. Name one incident where pakistan has done this to you, unlike you we play fair. India is just milking mumbai and nothing else, and if you guys were ubias and impartial youd actually come to realize that. Dodging and jumping ,only now ur very good at avoiding the issues and mixing words to prolong ur occupation.
Your government has come to realize that a plebecite would mean only two things, kashmir joining pakistan or an independant kashmir hence all the drama.

No offence intended ,just calling it like i see it.

 

[desicad]

From What I have found out following are the meanings of the word "Interlocutor";
1 Talker
2 Speaker
3 Interviewer
4 Interrogator
5 Questioner

It is not simply 'some one you talk to' It means someone you talk to with a certain purpose. So desicad before you try to fool us make sure that your politicians weave a very intricate and ghambeer jala of confusion around the issue.
As for Mr. tharoor his anti Pakistan stance is well known.

Haha....you did manage to spend some time with the dictionary.
I never said talking without any purpose. He didn't go there on a picnic to chit chat with Abdullah.
One thing is for sure it does not mean mediation between two parties.

Precisely what we say all the time , the back stabbing never stops...we did not say u want a mediator, you just want to defame and malign pakistan. Till now ajmal kasab the lone surviving terrorist has not been convicted by ur courts infact he stated that he had been tortured and shot to spread false propaganda, and then ur own government admitted that there were indian links, now im not saying kasab didnt do it or that it wasnt a terrorist act...im just saying look at the facts please for once, many acts of terrorism were committed by your own hindu extremist as false flags and you cannot deny that..Im not saying we didnt support terrorism or arnt doing it now, im just saying there isnt enough compelling evidence out there to prove that we did mumbai or samjhota . And once again you chose to look at the after effects of the real problem and not the real problem itself. You can dodge and jump the real issue like youve been doing for 60 years but the world and paksitanis are not stupid.

Again what the article said India does not want a mediator because they know they are wrong ,all the article said was that you are putting pressure on pakistan by interlocuting and maligning it infront of the international community and more importantly our friends.
This is exactly the sort of behaviour that we pakistanis despise and this is exactly why we do not trust bharat. Name one incident where pakistan has done this to you, unlike you we play fair.

Rmemeber 1999, Kargil? Please don't make tall claims of playing fair. Thanks.

India is just milking mumbai and nothing else, and if you guys were ubias and impartial youd actually come to realize that. Dodging and jumping ,only now ur very good at avoiding the issues and mixing words to prolong ur occupation.
Your government has come to realize that a plebecite would mean only two things, kashmir joining pakistan or an independant kashmir hence all the drama.
No offence intended ,just calling it like i see it.

Kashmiris wanting Independence or autonomy is understandable, but they wanting to join pakistan is the biggest joke. And fury87 absolutely no offence intended here.

 

[desicad]

[quote="Star Gazer":1tvoxwt0]Strange are the ways of the neighbor. On one hand india has always refused to accept a third party intervention in any matter especially with Pakistan,while on the other hand it is trying to engage SA. India should first announce if there is a change in it's policy of accepting third party intervention/mediation,if so be the case then Pakistan can also ask other countries to help solve the Kashmir issue.
Ithink they are now 'sattpattaiy' hooway.

when you people ask for solution of kashmir problem do you
think india will give you kashmir on a plate?
you have destroyed your generations on this issue ,did you achieve anything?

put your house in order first,you know how grave situation is inside.you have
nothing to offer to indian kashmiris other than hunger and destruction.

worse case scenario....if the whole world unite against indian on kashmir issue
(chances are not there in next 2000 years) india has 18 crore indian muslim card,which it can play.
what is the future of 18 corore muslims in india after kashmir is gone????[/quote:1tvoxwt0]
Hello dil-se-desi, not sure what you mean by India playing a muslim card. If you mean India will claim Kashmir just because it has the second largest muslim population in the world then that will never happen. India's policy is clear on this matter that regions cannot be divided or claimed on the basis of religion. Also there is no relation between the future of Indian muslims and the Kashmir dispute.
Hope you understand what I mean.

 

[desicad]

[quote="Star Gazer":376px00a][quote="dil-se-desi":376px00a][quote="Star Gazer":376px00a] you people ask for solution of kashmir problem do you
think india will give you kashmir on a plate?
you have destroyed your generations on this issue ,did you achieve anything?

put your house in order first,you know how grave situation is inside.you have
nothing to offer to indian kashmiris other than hunger and destruction.

worse case scenario....if the whole world unite against indian on kashmir issue
(chances are not there in next 2000 years) india has 18 crore indian muslim card,which it can play.
what is the future of 18 corore muslims in india after kashmir is gone????

This tantamounts to a racial threat!! Is this your thinking or you are giving us an idea ofn your governments thought process?

Haha... just relax, it is his personal opinion, may be he got carried away a bit.[/quote:376px00a][/quote:376px00a]

It would be better if you would ask him to retract if you think he got carried away rather than tell me to relax.Untill then I maintain that he is threatening the indian muslims.[/quote:376px00a]
Yup,I have already made my point in the previous point which is yet to be approved.

 

[sakayani]

India + USA = USA + Saudia
Its not difficult to solve this equation.