How to Pray Fajar Without Hadith

knowledge88

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
For those who adhere strictly to the Quran and do not accept Hadith, can you please explain how to perform the Fajar prayer in detail? Specifically, how many Rakats should be prayed, what should be recited in each Rakat, and how many times in a day is Salat (Namaz) compulsory (Farz) according to the Quran?


I am asking this question because we have a few members here on siasat.pk who ridicule anyone who supports Hadith and try to present scholarly arguments against its use.

I am genuinely interested in seeing how those who reject Hadith perform Namaz. When I wake up tomorrow at Fajar, I want to pray according to their guidance. So please guide me.
 

Siberite

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
For those who adhere strictly to the Quran and do not accept Hadith, can you please explain how to perform the Fajar prayer in detail? Specifically, how many Rakats should be prayed, what should be recited in each Rakat, and how many times in a day is Salat (Namaz) compulsory (Farz) according to the Quran?


I am asking this question because we have a few members here on siasat.pk who ridicule anyone who supports Hadith and try to present scholarly arguments against its use.

I am genuinely interested in seeing how those who reject Hadith perform Namaz. When I wake up tomorrow at Fajar, I want to pray according to their guidance. So please guide me.
I am not really sure why you need to explore someone's faith. I believe in Hadith and Quran. But I will not argue with someone who has his/her reservation regarding the praying time of all five prayers. Discussing of such matter here on this public site is not going to resolve any issues between the faith of one member to another since there are all kinds of members with different faiths and believes. If you really need guidance refer to some really good Alam .
 

Wake up Pak

President (40k+ posts)
For those who adhere strictly to the Quran and do not accept Hadith, can you please explain how to perform the Fajar prayer in detail? Specifically, how many Rakats should be prayed, what should be recited in each Rakat, and how many times in a day is Salat (Namaz) compulsory (Farz) according to the Quran?


I am asking this question because we have a few members here on siasat.pk who ridicule anyone who supports Hadith and try to present scholarly arguments against its use.

I am genuinely interested in seeing how those who reject Hadith perform Namaz. When I wake up tomorrow at Fajar, I want to pray according to their guidance. So please guide me.
The people who follow only the Quran, do not perform Namaz, so it is not logical to ask them about how to perform it. It is those who follow the Hadith have to explain how to perform the Namaz.
Provide all the Ahadith that explains in detail how to perform Namaz, including the number of Rakats for each Namaz, the recitations for each Rakat, and the number of times Salat (Namaz) is compulsory (Farz) in a day according to the Ahadith.
 

Siberite

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The people who follow only the Quran, do not perform Namaz, so it is not logical to ask them about how to perform it. It is those who follow the Hadith have to explain how to perform the Namaz.
Provide all the Ahadith that explains in detail how to perform Namaz, including the number of Rakats for each Namaz, the recitations for each Rakat, and the number of times Salat (Namaz) is compulsory (Farz) in a day according to the Ahadith.
So, I assume since you don't follow Hadith, you don't pray any of the five prayers?
 

knowledge88

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Let me ask you again. You don't pray?
He told you very specificly that Namaz is man made but you keep asking him the same question.
By the way there are lots of muslims who don't offer salat. But there is a difference, he thinks those who pray Namaz are not following Islam. He just mentioned praying namaz is a man made rule.
 

knowledge88

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yes! If it is not in the "Quran", then it is a man-made Namaz.


Your buddy Citizen X also wrote a while ago About Namaz to me that


Citizen X " No such thing as daily ritual prayers in the Quran, you're welcome.

Here is the link

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To both of you, Not only your knowledge of Hadith is limited but your knowledge of Quran is also limited.

Here are some verses of the Quran that imply the regularity and specific times for Salah:


  1. Surah Hud (11:114)
    • "And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night. Indeed, good deeds do away with misdeeds. That is a reminder for those who remember."
  2. Surah Al-Isra (17:78)
    • "Establish prayer at the decline of the sun [from its meridian] until the darkness of the night and [also] the Qur'an of dawn. Indeed, the recitation of dawn is ever witnessed."
  3. Surah Taha (20:130)
    • "So be patient over what they say and exalt [Allah] with praise of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before its setting; and during periods of the night [also] exalt [Him] and at the ends of the day, that you may be satisfied."
  4. Surah An-Nur (24:58)
    • "O you who have believed, let those whom your right hands possess and those who have not yet reached puberty among you ask permission of you at three times: before the dawn prayer and when you put aside your clothing [for rest] at noon and after the evening prayer. These are three times of privacy for you..."
  5. Surah Ar-Rum (30:17-18)
    • "So exalted is Allah when you reach the evening and when you reach the morning. And to Him is [due all] praise throughout the heavens and the earth. And [exalted is He] at night and when you are at noon."

I request all the Hadith deniers to respond to my response.

Citizen X

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Wake up Pak

President (40k+ posts)
Your buddy Citizen X also wrote a while ago About Namaz to me that


Citizen X " No such thing as daily ritual prayers in the Quran, you're welcome.

Here is the link

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
To both of you, Not only your knowledge of Hadith is limited but your knowledge of Quran is also limited.

Here are some verses of the Quran that imply the regularity and specific times for Salah:


  1. Surah Hud (11:114)
    • "And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night. Indeed, good deeds do away with misdeeds. That is a reminder for those who remember."
  2. Surah Al-Isra (17:78)
    • "Establish prayer at the decline of the sun [from its meridian] until the darkness of the night and [also] the Qur'an of dawn. Indeed, the recitation of dawn is ever witnessed."
  3. Surah Taha (20:130)
    • "So be patient over what they say and exalt [Allah] with praise of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before its setting; and during periods of the night [also] exalt [Him] and at the ends of the day, that you may be satisfied."
  4. Surah An-Nur (24:58)
    • "O you who have believed, let those whom your right hands possess and those who have not yet reached puberty among you ask permission of you at three times: before the dawn prayer and when you put aside your clothing [for rest] at noon and after the evening prayer. These are three times of privacy for you..."
  5. Surah Ar-Rum (30:17-18)
    • "So exalted is Allah when you reach the evening and when you reach the morning. And to Him is [due all] praise throughout the heavens and the earth. And [exalted is He] at night and when you are at noon."

I request all the Hadith deniers to respond to my response.

Citizen X

"
Once again:
The people who follow only the Quran, do not perform Namaz, so it is not logical to ask them about how to perform it. It is those who follow the Hadith have to explain how to perform the Namaz.
Provide all the Ahadith that explains in detail how to perform Namaz, including the number of Rakats for each Namaz, the recitations for each Rakat, and the number of times Salat (Namaz) is compulsory (Farz) in a day according to the Ahadith.
 

knowledge88

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I am not really sure why you need to explore someone's faith. I believe in Hadith and Quran. But I will not argue with someone who has his/her reservation regarding the praying time of all five prayers. Discussing of such matter here on this public site is not going to resolve any issues between the faith of one member to another since there are all kinds of members with different faiths and believes. If you really need guidance refer to some really good Alam .
Oh! Not only it is very important but it is part of my religion. These people are brainwashing people to give up believing in Hadith and I should keep quiet and let them throw dirt on the Hadith. It is my right to reveal the weakness in their faith. There are many people who pose as religious in this forum but do nothing to give counterarguments to them. It is my third consecutive day and today I have successfully revealed that they don't follow Islam. Thank God.
 

knowledge88

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Once again:
The people who follow only the Quran, do not perform Namaz, so it is not logical to ask them about how to perform it. It is those who follow the Hadith have to explain how to perform the Namaz.
Provide all the Ahadith that explains in detail how to perform Namaz, including the number of Rakats for each Namaz, the recitations for each Rakat, and the number of times Salat (Namaz) is compulsory (Farz) in a day according to the Ahadith.



I very clearly showed you where in the Quran Allah asks us to pray Namaz, read it again By the way The word "Salat" (for Namaz) (or its derivatives) appears in the Quran approximately 99 times.

Here are some verses of the Quran that imply the regularity and specific times for Salah:


  1. Surah Hud (11:114)
    • "And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night. Indeed, good deeds do away with misdeeds. That is a reminder for those who remember."
  2. Surah Al-Isra (17:78)
    • "Establish prayer at the decline of the sun [from its meridian] until the darkness of the night and [also] the Qur'an of dawn. Indeed, the recitation of dawn is ever witnessed."
  3. Surah Taha (20:130)
    • "So be patient over what they say and exalt [Allah] with praise of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before its setting; and during periods of the night [also] exalt [Him] and at the ends of the day, that you may be satisfied."
  4. Surah An-Nur (24:58)
    • "O you who have believed, let those whom your right hands possess and those who have not yet reached puberty among you ask permission of you at three times: before the dawn prayer and when you put aside your clothing [for rest] at noon and after the evening prayer. These are three times of privacy for you..."
  5. Surah Ar-Rum (30:17-18)
    • "So exalted is Allah when you reach the evening and when you reach the morning. And to Him is [due all] praise throughout the heavens and the earth. And [exalted is He] at night and when you are at noon."
 

Wake up Pak

President (40k+ posts)
I very clearly showed you where in the Quran Allah asks us to pray Namaz, read it again

Here are some verses of the Quran that imply the regularity and specific times for Salah:


  1. Surah Hud (11:114)
    • "And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night. Indeed, good deeds do away with misdeeds. That is a reminder for those who remember."
  2. Surah Al-Isra (17:78)
    • "Establish prayer at the decline of the sun [from its meridian] until the darkness of the night and [also] the Qur'an of dawn. Indeed, the recitation of dawn is ever witnessed."
  3. Surah Taha (20:130)
    • "So be patient over what they say and exalt [Allah] with praise of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before its setting; and during periods of the night [also] exalt [Him] and at the ends of the day, that you may be satisfied."
  4. Surah An-Nur (24:58)
    • "O you who have believed, let those whom your right hands possess and those who have not yet reached puberty among you ask permission of you at three times: before the dawn prayer and when you put aside your clothing [for rest] at noon and after the evening prayer. These are three times of privacy for you..."
  5. Surah Ar-Rum (30:17-18)
    • "So exalted is Allah when you reach the evening and when you reach the morning. And to Him is [due all] praise throughout the heavens and the earth. And [exalted is He] at night and when you are at noon."
These verses do not give you any details. So, you have to provide the details either from the Quran or your Ahadith.
 

Siberite

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Oh! Not only it is very important but it is part of my religion. These people are brainwashing people to give up believing in Hadith and I should keep quiet and let them throw dirt on the Hadith. It is my right to reveal the weakness in their faith. There are many people who pose as religious in this forum but do nothing to give counterarguments to them. It is my third consecutive day and today I have successfully revealed that they don't follow Islam. Thank God.
Relax man . No one can force anyone to quit following his/her faith. It is only we who get offended and nervous. Allah is the owner of everything in this world and hereafter. And he is most merciful and able and have his power. So, we shouldn't worry about some misguided ones. Remember, it is not me and you but Allah (ST) who can change people's heart.
 

Siberite

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
He told you very specificly that Namaz is man made but you keep asking him the same question.
By the way there are lots of muslims who don't offer salat. But there is a difference, he thinks those who pray Namaz are not following Islam. He just mentioned praying namaz is a man made rule.
Thats is okay. It won't become man made only because he says so. I am still waiting for his reply. Allah give us all Hidaya.
 

knowledge88

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
These verses do not give you any details. So, you have to provide the details either from the Quran or your Ahadith.
These verses confirm Salat is compulsory, Allah mentions the time of the day as well as when Salat has to be offered. Allah mentions Salat in the Quran frequently.

What else could these verses mean? Please explain. What does Allah want you to do on those specific times if he does want you to offer Salat?
 

Wake up Pak

President (40k+ posts)
These verses confirm Salat is compulsory, Allah mentions the time of the day as well as when Salat has to be offered. Allah mentions Salat in the Quran frequently.

What else could these verses mean? Please explain. What does Allah want you to do on those specific times if he does want you to offer Salat?
It is your responsibility to explain the details of Namaz, as you hold it dearly. Instead of going in circles, it's up to you to provide the details of Namaz.
 

nawaz.sharif

Minister (2k+ posts)
The people who follow only the Quran, do not perform Namaz, so it is not logical to ask them about how to perform it.

so bro, not debating but for my own knowledge, if you don't perform Namaz, then how do you interpret ayats about establishing salat... do you make some kind of dua as an alternative to formal namaz?
 

Wake up Pak

President (40k+ posts)
I knew it that no one could provide a unified method of Namaz from the ahadith either. The thread starter himself is clueless and lost as he keeps asking questions instead of providing the details of the Namaz.
Just let me know where Allah said to raise the hands to your ears and then fold them on your chest or belly by saying Allah Akabar.
Where did Allah say to face the Kaaba when performing Namaz?