How to Pray Fajar Without Hadith

[Wake up Pak]

Because there were many sahaba so there were many narrators. I specifically told you that the Namaz procedure above is taken from Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.

You have not provided any details about Namaz from ahadith, just some copy-paste from a website which every Namazi does in any way.
How come not a single Ravi couldn't provide the details of the Namaz after all he must be a Muslim and performing Namaz.

 

[Cyber_Security]

Once again, your topic was Namaz. Why are you hiding under different topics? I knew that you are a clueless and lost soul who does not know right from wrong.

Oh No, it is very relevant. There is a Namaz after death, which is Namaz-e-Janaza. You don't believe in Namaz so I guess you don't believe in Namaz-e-Janaza, right?

 

[Cyber_Security]

You have not provided any details about Namaz from ahadith, just some copy-paste from a website which every Namazi does in any way.
How come not a single Ravi couldn't provide the details of the Namaz after all he must be a Muslim and performing Namaz.

I write it again , because there were many witnesses (sahaba) as expected who said Prophet Muhammad performed salat, and they all mentioned in ahahdees how he performed Salat.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Oh No, it is very relevant. There is a Namaz after death, which is Namaz-e-Janaza. You don't believe in Namaz so I guess you don't believe in Namaz-e-Janaza, right?

Here you go again, now you are hiding under Namaz Janaza.

 

[Wake up Pak]

I write it again , because there were many witnesses (sahaba) as expected who said Prophet Muhammad performed salat, and they all mentioned in ahahdees how he performed Salat.

Illogical justification

 

[taban]

For those who adhere strictly to the Quran and do not accept Hadith, can you please explain how to perform the Fajar prayer in detail? Specifically, how many Rakats should be prayed, what should be recited in each Rakat, and how many times in a day is Salat (Namaz) compulsory (Farz) according to the Quran?


I am asking this question because we have a few members here on siasat.pk who ridicule anyone who supports Hadith and try to present scholarly arguments against its use.

I am genuinely interested in seeing how those who reject Hadith perform Namaz. When I wake up tomorrow at Fajar, I want to pray according to their guidance. So please guide me.

باوا جی جو حدیث کو نہیں مانتے وہ نماز نہیں پڑھتے

 

[Citizen X]

@Citizen X where are you?

Unlike many, I do have a life outside this forum so I can't be at your beck and call 24/7/365

why it is unIslamic to offer Salat in his opinion.

I already have given you my opinion in the thread you already quoted here including what I said, in addition why it is unislamic is you commit shirk 5 times a day without even knowing it when you "send salutations" to Prophet Mohammed and Ibrahim and not just them their families too??? In your so called darood shariff.

Allah clearly says do not worship anyone but him and do not call out to anyone in your prayers other than him. Yet you send your salutations to prophets and their families 5 times a day in your prayers. Go to your Mosque and you will see the name of Allah and Muhammad placed side by side, de facto giving him the same stature as Allah and then bowing to his name 5 times a day.

Some Mosques go as far as to have names of Abu Bakr and Umar also placed there.

If you want to keep on doing your namaz, don't let me stop you, you go right ahead, but at the very least omit this darood from them, for your own sake.

 

[Citizen X]

they all mentioned in ahahdees how he performed Salat.

You keep repeating this and yet have failed to quote a single hadith showing this.

This is how you quote a hadith
Narrated Abu Juhaifa: I asked Ali, “Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah’s Book?”Ali replied, “No, by Him Who splits the grain of corn and creates the soul. I don’t think we have such knowledge, but we have the ability of understanding which Allah may endow a person with, so that he may understand the Qur’an, and we have what is written in this paper as well.” I asked, “What is written in this paper?” He replied, “(The regulations of) blood-money, the freeing of captives, and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 3047

Sahih al-Bukhari 3047 - Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad) - كتاب الجهاد والسير - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

You quote the hadith, the book, the number and a link to verify it. Not some cut n paste saying oh all of this is based on hadith

 

[Siberite]

باوا جی جو حدیث کو نہیں مانتے وہ نماز نہیں پڑھتے

بغیر صلاۃ کے حج کا کونسپٹ ناقابل ھضم ھے ۔ کعبہ میں جا کے کیا کرتے ہونگے ؟ حج میں ھر قدم پہ آذان کے ساتھ باجماعت نماز پڑھی جاتی ھے ۔ اب ان کی باتوں پہ بندہ ھنسے یا روئے یا چپ کرکے تماشا دیکھے ۔​

 

[Wake up Pak]

بغیر صلاۃ کے حج کا کونسپٹ ناقابل ھضم ھے ۔ کعبہ میں جا کے کیا کرتے ہونگے ؟ حج میں ھر قدم پہ آذان کے ساتھ باجماعت نماز پڑھی جاتی ھے ۔ اب ان کی باتوں پہ بندہ ھنسے یا روئے یا چپ کرکے تماشا دیکھے ۔​

Phelay tou yeah batao kay aik cement pathar key chaar diwari kay girdh 7 chakkar laganay ka kahan Quran may may kaha hay? kiya yeah shirk nahi hay kay aik pathar key chaar diwari o sajada kar rahay ho?
Dousri baat yeah batao kay Kaaba kis nay banaya tha?

 

[Siberite]

Phelay tou yeah batao kay aik cement pathar key chaar diwari kay girdh 7 chakkar laganay ka kahan Quran may may kaha hay? kiya yeah shirk nahi hay kay aik pathar key chaar diwari o sajada kar rahay ho?
Dousri baat yeah batao kay Kaaba kis nay banaya tha?

او بس کردے کا کے ، بس کردے ۔اب کیا رولائے گا ؟

مجھے علم نہیں تھا تو اینا وڈا عالم ایں ۔

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[Wake up Pak]

او بس کردے کا کے ، بس کردے ۔اب کیا رولائے گا ؟

مجھے علم نہیں تھا تو اینا وڈا عالم ایں ۔

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May koi alim shalim nahi bus aik adna sa Quran ka student hoon. Aaj say 10-12 saal phelay may bhi namaz parhta tha aur 3 dafa umra bhi kiya laykin jab aap ghor o fikar kartay hain tou bohat si baatain samajh aani shru ho jaati hain.
Mayray ghar walay namaz parhtay hain kiyonkay may nay aaj tak kisi ko (iss forum per bhi) namaz na parhnay key talqeen nahi key laykin samjhany key koshish zaroor key hay.

 

[taban]

بغیر صلاۃ کے حج کا کونسپٹ ناقابل ھضم ھے ۔ کعبہ میں جا کے کیا کرتے ہونگے ؟ حج میں ھر قدم پہ آذان کے ساتھ باجماعت نماز پڑھی جاتی ھے ۔ اب ان کی باتوں پہ بندہ ھنسے یا روئے یا چپ کرکے تماشا دیکھے ۔​

اصل میں ویک اپ ابھی ویک اپ نہیں ہوا اللہ جب اسے راستہ دکھا ئے گا توتب بات اسے سمجھ آئے گی

 

[Wake up Pak]

اصل میں ویک اپ ابھی ویک اپ نہیں ہوا اللہ جب اسے راستہ دکھا ئے گا توتب بات اسے سمجھ آئے گی

Bhai wake up abhi tou wake up hua hay phelay soo raha tha baqi musalmanoo key tarah

 

[taban]

او بس کردے کا کے ، بس کردے ۔اب کیا رولائے گا ؟

مجھے علم نہیں تھا تو اینا وڈا عالم ایں ۔

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دیکھ میرے دوست اسلام ایک بہت ہی مظلوم دین ہے اس پر غیر مسلم تو حملہ آور تو ہوتے رہتے ہیں مگر مسلمان بھی اس پر حملہ کرنے سے نہیں چوکتے مسلمانوں نے اس مین اتنے فرقے بنا دئیے ہیں اور پھر نئی توجیہات لے کر آتے ہیں کوئی نماز کا انکاری ہے کوئی حدیث کا کوئی کیا اور کوئی کیا اگر تم منکران حدیث سے بحث کرو گے تو یہ ادھر ادھر کی ہانکتے ہیں حدیث کو نہیں مانتے مگر جن لوگوں نے احادیث بیان کی ہیں انہی کے پہنچائے ہوئے قرآن کی بات کرتے ہیں بس ایک عجیب تماشا ہے

 

[Siberite]

May koi alim shalim nahi bus aik adna sa Quran ka student hoon. Aaj say 10-12 saal phelay may bhi namaz parhta tha aur 3 dafa umra bhi kiya laykin jab aap ghor o fikar kartay hain tou bohat si baatain samajh aani shru ho jaati hain.
Mayray ghar walay namaz parhtay hain kiyonkay may nay aaj tak kisi ko (iss forum per bhi) namaz na parhnay key talqeen nahi key laykin samjhany key koshish zaroor key hay.

بات کو زرا غور سے سن میرے دوست ۔ میں بھی کوئ عالم دین نہیں ھوں اور نہ ھی کوئ مبلغ لیکن رب کا شکر ھے جس نے مجھے بھی دوسروں کی طرح ھدایت بخشی ھے اور یہی ھدایت میرے لیے نعمت ھے ۔

کعبہ کی عزت اور تحریم اس وجہ سے نہیں ھے کہ اس میں حجر اسود نصب ھے ۔ اور نہ ھی مسلمان عمرے اور حج کی سعادت محض اس لیے حاصل کرتے ہیں کہ اس چہار دیواری کے گرد چکر لگا ئیں ۔ اس کا ایک تاریخی پس منظر ھے اور اس کی ایک اھمیت اور شناخت ھے ، اور یہ ھماری شناخت ھے ۔

اگر تو قرآن کا مطالعہ کرتا ھے تو جہاں اللہ نے اطیعواللہ کہا ھے وھی اطیعوالرسول کی تلقید کی ھے ۔ اگر اللہ کی اطاعت کرتے ہو تو رسول کی اطاعت ھر حال میں لازم قرار دی گئ ھے ۔

رسول کی اطاعت اللہ کی اطاعت ھے ۔ بنی کی اطاعت ان کے عمل کی اطاعت ھے اور یہ صرف عبادات تک محدود نہیں ھے بلکہ زندگی کے ھر شعبہ میں ان کے احکامات کی تعلیم ھے ۔


تم احادیث سے انکار کرسکتے ہو لیکن بنی کے اعمال کی اطاعت انہیں جانے بغیر ناممکن ھے ۔ حج ، عمرہ اور دیگر عبادات میرے بنی نے ھی سکھائ ہیں ۔ ھم اپنے رب کی اطاعت اپنے بنی کی زندگی سے ھی جانتے اور سیکھتے ہیں ۔
من اپنا پرانا پاپی ھے ، برسوں میں نمازی بن نہ سکا ۔​

 

[Wake up Pak]

کعبہ کی عزت اور تحریم اس وجہ سے نہیں ھے کہ اس میں حجر اسود نصب ھے ۔ اور نہ ھی مسلمان عمرے اور حج کی سعادت محض اس لیے حاصل کرتے ہیں کہ اس چہار دیواری کے گرد چکر لگا ئیں ۔ اس کا ایک تاریخی پس منظر ھے اور اس کی ایک اھمیت اور شناخت ھے ، اور یہ ھماری شناخت ھے ۔

Waysay agar jahalt kahin khatum hoti hay tou woh tujh jaysay insaan per hoti hay. Abbay baat soun yeah hajrae aswad kahan say aa gay? iska tou quran may zikar tak nahi hay. May nay kaha nakay toum loog pathar kay pujari ho toum jaysay logoon nay Islam ko barbaad kar diya hay.
Kaaba ka kiya tareekhi pus manzar hay? Kiya yeah bata sakta hay kay Kaaba kis nay banaya?

گر تو قرآن کا مطالعہ کرتا ھے تو جہاں اللہ نے اطیعواللہ کہا ھے وھی اطیعوالرسول کی تلقید کی ھے ۔ اگر اللہ کی اطاعت کرتے ہو تو رسول کی اطاعت ھر حال میں لازم قرار دی گئ ھے ۔

رسول کی اطاعت اللہ کی اطاعت ھے ۔ بنی کی اطاعت ان کے عمل کی اطاعت ھے اور یہ صرف عبادات تک محدود نہیں ھے بلکہ زندگی کے ھر شعبہ میں ان کے احکامات کی تعلیم ھے

May Quran say he tujh say baat karoon ga kiyonkay toum jaysay jahiloon kay paas dou numbri ahadith jo Rasool key wafatt kay 250 saal baad likhi gai hain ounka sahara lay tay ho laykin toum nay khud aaj tak sari ahadith nahi parhi hogi.
Tayri information kay liyay kay ahadith may aysa aysa gundh hay kay tou apnay kaano ko haath laga lay ga.
Jahan tak Rasool key verses hain kiya iss ka matlab ahadith ko follow karna hay? toum nay jo soun liya bus woh he likh diya kabhi khud tehqeeq kar kay daykh shayad tayri ankhain khul jaain.

تم احادیث سے انکار کرسکتے ہو لیکن بنی کے اعمال کی اطاعت انہیں جانے بغیر ناممکن ھے ۔ حج ، عمرہ اور دیگر عبادات میرے بنی نے ھی سکھائ ہیں ۔ ھم اپنے رب کی اطاعت اپنے بنی کی زندگی سے ھی جانتے اور سیکھتے ہیں ۔

Phir wohi murghi key aik taang. abay ghamar jo information Allah nay dayni thee woh Quran may complete kar dee hain'
Agar tou nay Quran paraha hota tou tujhay pata hota kay Quran may Allah nay kaha hay kay yeah kitab complete aur detail hay aur agar toum yeah atyat nahi maantay iska matlab hay kay toum munkare Quran ho.

 

[Cyber_Security]

Here you go again, now you are hiding under Namaz Janaza.

You keep repeating this and yet have failed to quote a single hadith showing this.

This is how you quote a hadith
Narrated Abu Juhaifa: I asked Ali, “Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah’s Book?”Ali replied, “No, by Him Who splits the grain of corn and creates the soul. I don’t think we have such knowledge, but we have the ability of understanding which Allah may endow a person with, so that he may understand the Qur’an, and we have what is written in this paper as well.” I asked, “What is written in this paper?” He replied, “(The regulations of) blood-money, the freeing of captives, and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 3047

Sahih al-Bukhari 3047 - Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad) - كتاب الجهاد والسير - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

You quote the hadith, the book, the number and a link to verify it. Not some cut n paste saying oh all of this is based on hadith

I am telling you in the Quran where exactly Allah say to pray salat what time of the day and you are rejecting it saying it is man made, then what difference would it make to you if I start collecting Ahadith from Saha Satta about Salat for you.
Both of you have revealed you don't believe on Ahadith, you don't believe on Quran, because I showed you in Quran how Allah wants us to pray every day but you say it is a humanly made daily ritual. Your partner made fun of Khana kaba.
Fact is both of you have left Islam but don't have the guts to admit it.
There is nothing wrong in it. Some people don't follow Islam. We can't force our opinion on them, but please don't play a drama of believing on Quran only because you rejected Salat from Quran which is the main message of Quran mentioned at least 99 times.

 

[Cyber_Security]

بغیر صلاۃ کے حج کا کونسپٹ ناقابل ھضم ھے ۔ کعبہ میں جا کے کیا کرتے ہونگے ؟ حج میں ھر قدم پہ آذان کے ساتھ باجماعت نماز پڑھی جاتی ھے ۔ اب ان کی باتوں پہ بندہ ھنسے یا روئے یا چپ کرکے تماشا دیکھے ۔​

He told you he has his own method of Hajj, which doesn't involve tawaf-e -kaba and praying salat.

 

[Cyber_Security]

Waysay agar jahalt kahin khatum hoti hay tou woh tujh jaysay insaan per hoti hay. Abbay baat soun yeah hajrae aswad kahan say aa gay? iska tou quran may zikar tak nahi hay. May nay kaha nakay toum loog pathar kay pujari ho toum jaysay logoon nay Islam ko barbaad kar diya hay.
Kaaba ka kiya tareekhi pus manzar hay? Kiya yeah bata sakta hay kay Kaaba kis nay banaya?

May Quran say he tujh say baat karoon ga kiyonkay toum jaysay jahiloon kay paas dou numbri ahadith jo Rasool key wafatt kay 250 saal baad likhi gai hain ounka sahara lay tay ho laykin toum nay khud aaj tak sari ahadith nahi parhi hogi.
Tayri information kay liyay kay ahadith may aysa aysa gundh hay kay tou apnay kaano ko haath laga lay ga.
Jahan tak Rasool key verses hain kiya iss ka matlab ahadith ko follow karna hay? toum nay jo soun liya bus woh he likh diya kabhi khud tehqeeq kar kay daykh shayad tayri ankhain khul jaain.

Phir wohi murghi key aik taang. abay ghamar jo information Allah nay dayni thee woh Quran may complete kar dee hain'
Agar tou nay Quran paraha hota tou tujhay pata hota kay Quran may Allah nay kaha hay kay yeah kitab complete aur detail hay aur agar toum yeah atyat nahi maantay iska matlab hay kay toum munkare Quran ho.

The Quran does speak about the sanctity of the Kaaba. Here are some verses that highlight its significance:

1. Surah Al-Baqarah (2:125):
   • "And [mention] when We made the House a place of return for the people and [a place of] security. And take, [O believers], from the standing place of Abraham a place of prayer. And We charged Abraham and Ishmael, [saying], 'Purify My House for those who perform Tawaf and those who are staying [there] for worship and those who bow and prostrate [in prayer].'"
2. Surah Al-Baqarah (2:144):
   • "So from wherever you go out [for prayer, O Muhammad], turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] may be, turn your faces toward it in order that the people will have no argument against you, except for those of them who commit wrong; so fear them not but fear Me. And it is so I may complete My favor upon you and that you may be guided."
3. Surah Al-Baqarah (2:149):
   • "So from wherever you go out [for prayer, O Muhammad], turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram, and indeed, it is the truth from your Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what you do."
4. Surah Al-Baqarah (2:150):
   • "And from wherever you go out [for prayer], turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] may be, turn your faces toward it in order that the people will not have any argument against you, except for those of them who commit wrong; so fear them not but fear Me. And it is so I may complete My favor upon you and that you may be guided."
5. Surah Al-Imran (3:96):
   • "Indeed, the first House [of worship] established for mankind was that at Makkah - blessed and a guidance for the worlds."

These verses clearly mention the importance of the Kaaba as a sacred place of worship and a central point of the Islamic faith.