How is this blasphemy?

Theekra

Senator (1k+ posts)

For the frenzied, hurt 'Muslims', I as a practising Muslim, have a few questions:

1) If that Qawwali being discussed compared Hazrat Fatima R.A with Veena Malik, is it also blasphemous for a prostitute named Ayesha or Fatima to be called by these revered names? Is that also not comparing the two?

2) The Qawwali under discussion is played in many Ehl-e-Tashee Majaalis. Is it also blashpemous there?

3) The so-called Sayyads of the present day, who pose to be family members of Prophet PBUH, have had thiefs, murderers, rapists etc in their family lines. Is it also not blasphemous to ehl-e-bait to call them Syed?

4) Many of qawwalis at mazaars etc compare Prophets with a given Saint, are they committing blasphemy as well?

5) In the qawwali Allah Hoo, Allah Hoo, when Nusrat Fateh Ali sings,

"Jot Sassi Ke Agar Mann Mein Tumhari Jaagay
Tum Usse Tapte Huay Thal Mein Jala Dete Ho

Sohni Gar Tum Ko Mahiwal Tasawwur Kar Le
Uss Ko Biphri Hui Lehron Mein Baha Dete Ho

Khud Jo Chaaho To Sar-e-arsh Bula Kar Mehboob
Ek Hi Raat Mein Mairaaj Kara Dete Ho
"

Has the poet compared Allah with Sassi and Sohni?

Is he comparing the love of God for Prophet Muhammad PBUH with that of Sassi and Punno?

Is this blasphemous?

6) Do prostitutes, who DO get married, pray the same Nikah prayers as Prophet's family members did? Why did GOD not make a separate dua for them?

7) Is it blasphemous to call people named Ali, Umar etc by derogatory nicknames?


In case some of you might be tempting to accuse me of blasphemy too, I watched the controversial Shaista Lodhi show, and no, I did not writhe in pain, die in agony or groan in wrath.
I found the whole exercise rather distasteful, but more importantly, I could only marvel at the lowest ARY and its toadies can go to.



 

funkymonk

Minister (2k+ posts)
spot on ... really liked your post
but I am sure bharre ke tattu will find another justification keh joota aise rakha tha aise nahin blah blah .. I also found this on facebook worth reading





اعمال کا دارومدار نیت پر ہے لیکن توہین کا دارومدار مولوی کے موڈ پر ہے، جو جیو کے وقت آف تھا اور
ARy, Samaa کے وقت آن
 

yeh-cheez

Minister (2k+ posts)
Agreed to an extent...!!

But we have to understand that culprit is not qawwali and its singing..

Its the way they have picturized it...depicted it..and the kanjarr khaana style of morning shows..and that shoe waving...and to ice the cake..veena malik..they all contributed towards.

In short...GEO kay lau*ay lagnay thay...us ka time thaa..buraii aanee thee...so aa gaee..!
 

jee_nee_us

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think the qawwali itself is wrong .. and if you play it on any wedding then you are unintentionally comparing the dulha and dulhan with the Sacred Family. I don't know blasphemous or not ..but no muslim would tolerate it if its played on the prostitutes wedding.
 

Faheem Imtiaz

MPA (400+ posts)
@ THEEKRA Your Answers brother are here!!! And I will try to be logical as well as referring to the Holy Quran & SAHIH AHADITHS as well!!!!! ANSWER # 1 It is different that one says his/her name is Fatima or Mohammad or Khadija or Ayesha than if one says that he or she is like Fatima (RA) or Mohammad (SAW) nauzubillah!!! no one argues on names but if you actually ask a vulgar personality to be like one of pious one!!!!! ANSWER # 2 As no one can be like Fatima (RA) or ALI (RA) hence the qawwali played in marriages & referring to bride & groom as Fatima (RA) or ALI (RA) is also blasphemous!!!!! ANSWER # 3 As per the holy Quran and Sahih Ahdith the only justification for superiority is "TAQWAH" jaisa k AAP (SAW) ne irshad farmaya "Kisi arabi ko kisi ajami par or kisi ajami ko kisi arabi par koi foqiyat nahe magar taqwa pa"! hence any one claiming just on the basis of progency is against Holy Quran & Sahih Ahadith!!!!!! ANSWER 4!!!! Yes if any one compares any one with Prophet Mohammad (SAW) in such a way that he gives him the same status as Mohammad (SAW) is committing blasphemy!! Irshad hua "Tum men sa koi shakhs us waqt tak momin nahe ho sakta jab tak ALLAH or US k Rasool (SAW) ki mohabbat us ki har cheez or har kisi sa zyada na ho" AL QURAN!!!! ANSWER 5! The qawwali is not ALLAH HOO ALLAH HOO but "TUM IK GORAKH DHANDA HO" meaning "No one can capture ALLAH in his senses that's what the poet of that qawwali referring to that I cant understand what is this same as in shikwa by ALLAMA IQBAL! I recommend you to listen the whlole qawwali carefully no where he has compared the two loves all he is saying that I cant understand all this due to my limitations!!!! ANSWER 6!!!!! Because ALLAH asks us to hate the "JURM" not the "MUJRIM". JURM sa nafrat karo MUJRIM sa nahe MUJRIM ko saza k bad muafi ha!!!! Lekin SAZA k baad har gunah baghair saza k muaf nahe kiya ja sakta!!!!!! ANSWER 7 !!!!! "It is blasphemous to call any person by derogatory and disrespectful nick names as per Sahih Ahadih it is a makrooh AMAL!!!!! HOPE THAT THIS EXPLANATION WILL SUFFICE THE PURPOSE
 

Faheem Imtiaz

MPA (400+ posts)
NOTE: My above answer above is only to Mr. THEEKRA and while answering I kept in mind of his status as a practicing MUSLIM hence I assumed He will be fully aware of the QURAN and SAHIH AHADITH teachings for that purpose I have not quoted all the reference and AHADITHs. Walla ho ALLam
 

Faheem Imtiaz

MPA (400+ posts)
Blasphemy is the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God, to religious or holy persons or things, or toward something considered sacred or inviolable.[SUP][/SUP] Definition of Blasphemy which I missed in my ANSWER!!!!
 

Lefty

Minister (2k+ posts)
but my question is here and that is not only for JEW Tv but to all the news channel that, Are they working as banquet hall/marriage bearue instead of tv station

Once it is called news channel then there should be only news and news that reflects the goods only and being pakistani new channels they should reflect good happening in our country instead of showing good of indian's actresses and bad or wrong happening in our country
 

Politcs

Minister (2k+ posts)
Banned organisation need some reason to show army that they are their dog and loyal to them like they were before 9/11. Geo did wrong but what about other channels who did same thing again and again?

This is not about religion but use of religion in politics and settling commercial points scoring. I always disagree with pti policies but really really shocked to see when sheeren mazari did a press conference telling Geo hurts muslim feeling and should be banned. You like it or not but pti is a big political party but people like shreen mazari are not taking imran khan into right directions. PTI has all the right to boycott Geo but using religion to ban them is not making me any sense especially when same act was done by Ary and Sama. On sama tv same Qawali was played with girl dancing but why shreen mazari did not speak against them.

I would say that I always disagree with PTI but it really hurt when imran khan has political advisor like Mazari. I always disagree with imran khan politics but never dislike him as a person and hope he will realise what path he is put on.

what PTI is doing today with Jang group was already done by NS. I remembered when Najam Sethi was tortured and Jang newspaper was banned by pmln government. Everybody was saying that this time Jang group will finish but they survive. Even Mushi attacked Geo head office in Islamabad and who office was destroyed and Hamid Mir was force to do program on roads but still they survive. Now it is PTI turn to do what Mushi and pmln failed to do which is destroying Jang group.
 
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Politcs

Minister (2k+ posts)
but my question is here and that is not only for JEW Tv but to all the news channel that, Are they working as banquet hall/marriage bearue instead of tv station

Once it is called news channel then there should be only news and news that reflects the goods only and being pakistani new channels they should reflect good happening in our country instead of showing good of indian's actresses and bad or wrong happening in our country

Morning show was on Geo entertainment channel not on Geo news.
 

Lefty

Minister (2k+ posts)
dont take it personal politics, my question was in this circumstances that after all what has nation to do with such types of entertainment where the people are jobless, people are dying with hungers, people are selling their children, people are trying to get visas of different countries, people are trying to grab one from another, people are taking debts from their circles and so on ..... after all these still do we deserve to be entertained and specially songs from neighbor country their good news,cant they find a single good news within the pakistan ??????

and this is not only for Jew Tv but for all the channel
 

shah3145

Minister (2k+ posts)
Your questions are like of communism that " Can ALLAH make a stone which HE can not lift. If HE can not make one HE is not ALLAH and if HE can not lift one HE is again not ALLAH."

If you want to justify geo u can do by doing many stupid logics. Even Iblees was the most learned then ADAM. You can confuse people by silly logics. But keep your HAND on your heart and ask yourself if GEO did not do any thing wrong in this , before and now. Geo did this to calm ISI anger on last episode of their agenda against ISI but they are now stuck.
 

Islamabadi1

Minister (2k+ posts)
Completely wrong khotey ki aulaad....just because a person is named Ali or Fatima doesn't mean he is being compared with those 2 people from 1400 years ago....same way somebody named George or Henry or Richard is not named to be compared to ancient kings...freaking narrow mined lowlife...
 

abdullah.drs

Senator (1k+ posts)
Banned organisation need some reason to show army that they are their dog and loyal to them like they were before 9/11. Geo did wrong but what about other channels who did same thing again and again?

This is not about religion but use of religion in politics and settling commercial points scoring. I always disagree with pti policies but really really shocked to see when sheeren mazari did a press conference telling Geo hurts muslim feeling and should be banned. You like it or not but pti is a big political party but people like shreen mazari are not taking imran khan into right directions. PTI has all the right to boycott Geo but using religion to ban them is not making me any sense especially when same act was done by Ary and Sama. On sama tv same Qawali was played with girl dancing but why shreen mazari did not speak against them.

I would say that I always disagree with PTI but it really hurt when imran khan has political advisor like Mazari. I always disagree with imran khan politics but never dislike him as a person and hope he will realise what path he is put on.

what PTI is doing today with Jang group was already done by NS. I remembered when Najam Sethi was tortured and Jang newspaper was banned by pmln government. Everybody was saying that this time Jang group will finish but they survive. Even Mushi attacked Geo head office in Islamabad and who office was destroyed and Hamid Mir was force to do program on roads but still they survive. Now it is PTI turn to do what Mushi and pmln failed to do which is destroying Jang group.


Just show me the press conference where Dr Mazari has said that Geo should be banned ..Dr Mazari only condemned it just like or Abid Sher Ali is condemning it right now..khuda ka wasta hai being anti pti doesn't mean that you should lie and distort facts to drag pti in all matters
 

mfaranhassan

Voter (50+ posts)
Most of your queries are based upon parallels which are normally drawn by the people who argue on the basis of mere logic irrespective of the logic being correct or not.

Answers to your questions:


1) If that Qawwali being discussed compared Hazrat Fatima R.A with Veena Malik, is it also blasphemous for a prostitute named Ayesha or Fatima to be called by these revered names? Is that also not comparing the two?
Faran: Whenever you call a prostitute with her name (name could be same of any pious personality), do you mean to call that prostitute or are you calling that pious personality? Its just like if your father's name is Javed, so whenever you meet a person with the name Javed and you call him with his name, are you calling that person at that time or you feel that you are calling your father? Whatever is your answer to my question, consider the same to your query.

2) The Qawwali under discussion is played in many Ehl-e-Tashee Majaalis. Is it also blashpemous there?
Faran: I personally feel that it would have been better if this Qawwali is not telecasted in any manner on the TV. However, there is a religious sect as mentioned in your question, who use to sing this Sehra on their marriage ceremonies and it has a religious association with their beliefs. So, we should not question why they sing it. However, the issue at this point of time is not this Sehra instead the way it has been telecasted in the concerned morning show.

3) The so-called Sayyads of the present day, who pose to be family members of Prophet PBUH, have had thiefs, murderers, rapists etc in their family lines. Is it also not blasphemous to ehl-e-bait to call them Syed?
Faran: How it is blasphemous to call a Syed a Syed? Do you change your caste whenever you do something good or something bad? BTW here is another aspect of the respect towards Syeds. Note that, if a person is pious, people will respect him irrespective of whether he is Syed or not. While if a person is bad, he will be condemned irrespective of his tribe or association. But for Syeds, I as a Muslims, feel that we need to restrict our condemnation for a person who is Syed and doing bad habbits and leave his case to Allah and State. This is my opinion keeping in view the human feeling which every person has towards his descendants.

4) Many of qawwalis at mazaars etc compare Prophets with a given Saint, are they committing blasphemy as well?
Faran: If there is something like this, it must be considered blasphemous.

5) In the qawwali Allah Hoo, Allah Hoo, when Nusrat Fateh Ali sings,

"Jot Sassi Ke Agar Mann Mein Tumhari Jaagay
Tum Usse Tapte Huay Thal Mein Jala Dete Ho

Sohni Gar Tum Ko Mahiwal Tasawwur Kar Le
Uss Ko Biphri Hui Lehron Mein Baha Dete Ho

Khud Jo Chaaho To Sar-e-arsh Bula Kar Mehboob
Ek Hi Raat Mein Mairaaj Kara Dete Ho
"

Has the poet compared Allah with Sassi and Sohni?

Is he comparing the love of God for Prophet Muhammad PBUH with that of Sassi and Punno
Is this blasphemous?

Faran: Brother, you need to improve your understanding of poetry. This is not about parallels and istead the poet is talking about the limitations which a human has to face in Ishq e Majazi. Not blasphemous at all. BTW, you also need to understand the rules for Samaa as well. (Samaa is the right word and not Qawwali). One of the basic rules of Samaa is that it should not be done in front of common people who do not have deep understanding of religion and the poetic values. Our problem is this, we have made Qawwalis a thing of consumption for every person who even does not know basics of poetry.

6) Do prostitutes, who DO get married, pray the same Nikah prayers as Prophet's family members did? Why did GOD not make a separate dua for them?
Faran: Why Allah should give a separate dua for them? Tomorrow you will ask that there should be a separate prayer and Quran for them as well? As long as a prostitute is Muslim, she has to follow all the instructions of Islam which are applicable to a common muslim.


7) Is it blasphemous to call people named Ali, Umar etc by derogatory nicknames?
Faran: In Quran & Hadith, it has been severely discouraged to call people names whatever there name is. Period.
 

Muqadas

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
جیو کا معاملہ "توہین اہل بیت" کا نہیں بلکہ "توہین آئی ایس آئی" کا ہے ورنہ یہی قوالی
پر بھی چل چکی ہے ARY اور Samaa
 

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