Homosexual's Parties in Lahore - We are crying about talibanization what about this extremeism ?

[adnan_younus]

Re: We are crying about talibanization what about this extremeism ?

definition of extremism is when one imposes his vies on others.. like transexuals rioting and demanding that every one must become transexuals or gays...

every society has a tolerance level which reflects through laws.... as per our law gay marriages are not allowed... so they shud be punished.... this is not extremism..

Bro Ilyas
Assalam-o-alaikum
Can you share what u think of definition for EXTREMISM?
Dont relate to terrorism..
As muslim do you know what happened to Qaumay Loot??

 

[adnan_younus]

Re: We are crying about talibanization what about this extremeism ?

now thats a sane comment; these acts are above the tolerance level of our society and may trigger emotions so shud be refrained or kept hidden,,

but it can give extremist a reason to bomb them .ask ur friends to be carefull

 

[angryoldman]

Re: We are crying about talibanization what about this extremeism ?

In which sense is this extremism? Do they interfere with other people's lives? Do they impose their views on others with a gun or bomb? Do they explode themselves in bazars and on roads and in places of religious worships? Isn't it that they just 'mind their own' business? So how is that extremism?

anyie1@so what is bad in it, come on ,,,,, let people breath,,,,,,,,,, let them live the way they want ,,,, till the time they are not a threat to the country,,,,,,
sorry guys by mistake i clicked on thanked.my pc was haged that time.acutally i m fully against this act.ilyas and anyi are right they don't harm anybody.its not extremism etc.its worst then that.it spoil society with its worst results.and its more then extremism coz its unnatural.in extremism u r still in limits limits at their peak point but in this case u cross the limits.even u believ n allah or mother nature.it is unnatural both sides.

 

[mhwaqar]

Re: We are crying about talibanization what about this extremeism ?

In which sense is this extremism? Do they interfere with other people's lives? Do they impose their views on others with a gun or bomb? Do they explode themselves in bazars and on roads and in places of religious worships? Isn't it that they just 'mind their own' business? So how is that extremism?

Abey kia bawla hogaya hay ??????????

 

[angryoldman]

mujhe to fiqar lag gai hai keh siasat.pk kis side ko ja raha hai.yeh title kam the forum main.phir kuch arsy bad is site ka naam kuch aisy hoga.homosiasat.pk.waisy yeh preshani ka muqaam hai.in aman ky parindo ko paker ker in ko mrugha bana ker in ky aman per jhooty lagany chahiy.

 

[anyie1]

If they are just doing it to get visa of USA, UK or other country, they can declare themself as Qadiani (just to get visa). It will be easier for them in this world and hereafter, because declaring themself as Qadiani they will be punished in hereafter but acting as hosmosexual they will be punished in this world as well as hereafter.

in order to declare yourself qadiani you need to get a certificate from their organizations and those are registered with the embassies, it is not easy to get that certificate until or unless you are actually qadiani.......

 

[pak4rule]

Allah rehem karay sab per, I am astonished, really, by reading the responses of MUSLIMS in favour of these acts.
My God, how can we live with this support which yield Allah's anger.
Very brave and daring act , who are disobeying the creater and doing against Allah's command , challanging HIM, asking for HIS wrath.
Is our nation is now so low in morality , equal to the ones who were dishonoured and destroyed by wrath of Allah?
How can it be ?
I still wondering why ? WHY?

 

[anyie1]

Re: We are crying about talibanization what about this extremeism ?

anyie1@so what is bad in it, come on ,,,,, let people breath,,,,,,,,,, let them live the way they want ,,,, till the time they are not a threat to the country,,,,,,
sorry guys by mistake i clicked on thanked.my pc was haged that time.acutally i m fully against this act.ilyas and anyi are right they don't harm anybody.its not extremism etc.its worst then that.it spoil society with its worst results.and its more then extremism coz its unnatural.in extremism u r still in limits limits at their peak point but in this case u cross the limits.even u believ n allah or mother nature.it is unnatural both sides.

instead of getting worried about these liberals who are .0000000001 % of the society why dont you worry about 82% who are jahil and uneducated that have actually ruined this country and brought this nation to its knees........ try to be realistic............

 

[pak4rule]

Re: We are crying about talibanization what about this extremeism ?

Ya tu Allah aisay logon ko hidayet day, aur agar hidayet inn ki qismat main nahi tu jald zaleel-o-khawar aur burbaad kar day.

Trust me , even if these types sold their soul to USA or Uk , they wont get visas that easy, USA/UK not stupid , they just enjoying their stupidity for a while.

 

[pak4rule]

Re: We are crying about talibanization what about this extremeism ?

instead of getting worried about these liberals who are .0000000001 % of the society why dont you worry about 82% who are jahil and uneducated that have actually ruined this country and brought this nation to its knees........ try to be realistic............

If you have little sense left in your head, its not matter of worry, its matter of disobeying Allah's commands openly, its duty of every muslims to stop fellow muslim from the deeds which are forbiden by Allah.
Coz the muslim with Imaan can not be silence over such open display of wrong doing which can cause Allah Almighty's anger towards whole nation.

We are in this world to spend our lives according to the rules given by Allah, CAN NOT live like an animal.

Also these bunch of nasty people are criminals too according to any country's law , using heavy drugs.

My brotherly advise to you that you seek Allah's forgiveness over your such thoughts as soon as possible, please do not be among those who are in Allah's wrath .

And if you are not muslim then kindly keep yourself away from speaking about Islamic rules and obligations.

 

[PkRevolution]

Re: We are crying about talibanization what about this extremeism ?

instead of getting worried about these liberals who are .0000000001 % of the society why dont you worry about 82% who are jahil and uneducated that have actually ruined this country and brought this nation to its knees........ try to be realistic............

You are going to compare 82% with .000000000001%. I tell you these .000000000001% is worst kind of Jahils.

They are even worst then Jahils (homo) in European countries. Because in EU countries they are not aware of Islamic education and in our country they are doing it by knowing What Allah said about that.

DOWN with such efforts to demoralize Pakistan as islamic state. I hope a suicide blast kill them all during party. If they don't stop it is going to happen. Next such kinda party will blow in the air.

Maulana Sahiban has a great responsibility now to clean our society from such swines.

 

[hawk eyed]

What's big deal in it, let people live. I think choice of sexual life should be private matter than public issue. I totally support these people, their voice, their will and choices. State of Pakistan should provide them shelter in all means; politically,socially and economically. After all these things are acceptable to us, until they are socially hidden and keep themselves underground, but question is --- how long? and why? Life is for once, and people should be free and open to choose their sexual liberty. Fanatics should not be allowed to manipulate the whole agenda, and all the time. So folk, keep your spirit high and move on.

feel sad for u....tum moral tarbiyat se mhroom rhe ho bchpan se

 

[A.Ali.T]

What's big deal in it, let people live. I think choice of sexual life should be private matter than public issue. I totally support these people, their voice, their will and choices. State of Pakistan should provide them shelter in all means; politically,socially and economically. After all these things are acceptable to us, until they are socially hidden and keep themselves underground, but question is --- how long? and why? Life is for once, and people should be free and open to choose their sexual liberty. Fanatics should not be allowed to manipulate the whole agenda, and all the time. So folk, keep your spirit high and move on.

Narcissist Bhai or Behen,
If this news made to this forum then it is no longer a private matter, now it has become a public issue. This type of promiscuous sexual behavior cannot stay private for very long. These behavioral disorders have long term social and medical implications. You just cannot discard this by saying that this is a private matter, Don't follow the west blindly, use some common sense, which I know is not so common.

When it comes to choose the sexual life, let that particular person have free will to have it. Who are you to pin point for others?

There are certain norms in the society and one must conduct himself or herself within those norms, otherwise the society will reject and out cast you.

 

[Raaz]

Narcissist Bhai or Behen,
If this news made to this forum then it is no longer a private matter, now it has become a public issue. This type of promiscuous sexual behaviors cannot stay private for very long. These behavioral disorders have long term social and medical implications. You just cannot discard this by saying that this is a private matter, Don't follow the west blindly, use some common sense, which I know is not so common.

Bhai , I am posting the meanings of " narcissism " here :

"excessive or erotic interest in oneself and one's physical appearance. "

So ignore him , he is abnormal by himself.

ANd for you , with love , "This is done by Altaf Bhai.":lol::lol:

I remember and like your old comments. Regards.

 

[Raaz]

Re: We are crying about talibanization what about this extremeism ?

In which sense is this extremism? Do they interfere with other people's lives? Do they impose their views on others with a gun or bomb? Do they explode themselves in bazars and on roads and in places of religious worships? Isn't it that they just 'mind their own' business? So how is that extremism?

خوچہ ، تم ثابت کرتی ہے ،کہ تم اصل پٹھان ہو

ہم تم کو سلام کرتی ہے

 

[ealtaf]

May Allah curse him who does that Luts people did.
(Ibn Hibban)
Since Islam totally rejects homosexuality, the Holy Messenger (may Allah bless and greet him) had been very much explicit in dealing with the persons involved in this abominable act. This act is so much abominable and reprehensible that the Holy Messenger (may Allah bless and greet him) said, When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes. That is why, in very clear and unambiguous terms, the Holy Messenger cursed the homosexuals. This was in the greater interest of the moral health of society that the Mercy to Mankind cursed these maniacs.
In another hadith related by Ibn Abbaas the Holy Messenger (may Allah bless and greet him) said: ... cursed is the one who has intercourse with an animal, cursed is the one who does the action of the people of Lut.
In yet another hadith reported in Tirmidhi, the Holy Messenger (may Allah bless and greet him) prescribed death penalty for the doer of this crime. He said: Kill the one who sodomises and the one who lets it be done to him.
Homosexuality is an abominable act, detestable and thus condemnable. It leaves very ill effect not only on the family and society concerned but also on the persons involved. It is a disease, a psychological and mental disorder; hence the patients stand in great need of medical treatment. A man or a woman with homosexual feelings should fear God and behave like any other human being. He/she shall resist his/her feelings, maintain abstinence, use all available resources of help including medical, social, and behavioural therapies to overcome their behaviour and feelings. He/she should also pray to God to help them getting over it.

 

[jimz84]

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[ealtaf]

The crime of homosexuality is one of the greatest of crimes, the worst of sins and the most abhorrent of deeds, and Allaah punished those who did it in a way that He did not punish other nations. It is indicative of violation of the fitrah, total misguidance, weak intellect and lack of religious commitment, and it is a sign of doom and deprivation of the mercy of Allaah. We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound.

"Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!" They said: "If thou desist not, O Lut! thou wilt assuredly be cast out!" He said: "I do detest your doings. O my Lord! deliver me and my family from such things as they do!" So We delivered him and his family,- all Except an old woman who lingered behind. Then afterward We destroyed the others. We rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): and evil was the shower on those who were admonished (but heeded not)! Qur'an 26:165

 

[ealtaf]

The Qur'an and Homosexuality:
There are five references in the Qur'an which have been cited as referring to gay and lesbian behavior. Some obviously deal with effeminate men and "masculine women." The two main references to homosexual behavior are:
"We also sent Lut : He said to his people : "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds." Qur'an 7:80-81
"What! Of all creatures do ye come unto the males, and leave the wives your Lord created for you? Nay, but ye are forward folk." Qur'an 26:165
Both references relate to gay sexual activities; lesbian practices are not mentioned in the Qur'an.
Lut is referred to as "Lot" in the Hebrew Scriptures. This passage is an apparent reference to the activities at Sodom and Gamorah. It seems to imply that there was no homosexual behavior before it first appeared in Sodom. This is a uniquely Islamic concept; it does not appear in Jewish or Christian beliefs. The passage also links the sin of Sodom (the reason for its destruction) to homosexuality.That linkage is contradicted by other verses in the Hebrew Scriptures.
The Hadith and homosexuality: The Hadith are collections of sayings attributed to Muhammad. Many Hadiths (ahadith) discuss liwat (sexual intercourse between males). Two examples are:
"When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes."
"Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to." (in reference to the active and passive partners in gay sexual intercourse)
There is at least one mention of lesbian behavior mentioned in the Hadith: "Sihaq (lesbian sexual activity) of women is zina (illegitimate sexual intercourse) among them."
Traditionalist orthodox Muslims generally claim that the Hadith literature contains the authentic sayings of Muhammad. Many liberal Muslims doubt their authenticity. The latter might point out that during the times of the first Caliphs, Muslims did not know what to do with individuals guilty of "liwat/lutiyya". No sahabi (companion) of Muhammad could quote a saying or decision of Muhammad relating to this question.
Treatment of homosexuals within Islam:
According to a pamphlet produced by Al-Fatiha, there is a consensus among Islamic scholars that all humans are naturally heterosexual. 5 Homosexuality is seen by scholars to be a sinful and perverted deviation from the norm. All Islamic schools of thought and jurisprudence consider gay acts to be unlawful. They differ in terms of penalty:
The Hanafite school (currently seen mainly in South and Eastern Asia) teaches that no physical punishment is warranted.
The Hanabalites, (widely followed in the Arab world) teach that severe punishment is warranted.
The Sha'fi school of thought (also seen in the Arab world) requires a minimum of 4 adult male witnesses before a person can be found guilty of a homosexual act. Al-Fatiha estimates that 4,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since their revolution in 1979. 10 public executions of homosexuals have been performed in Afghanistan by the Taliban army.

 

[ealtaf]

The Islamic Society of North America:
Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi of the ISNA said: "Homosexuality is a moral disorder. It is a moral disease, a sin and corruption... No person is born homosexual, just like no one is born a thief, a liar or murderer. People acquire these evil habits due to a lack of proper guidance and education.""
"There are many reasons why it is forbidden in Islam. Homosexuality is dangerous for the health of the individuals and for the society. It is a main cause of one of the most harmful and fatal diseases. It is disgraceful for both men and women. It degrades a person. Islam teaches that men should be men and women should be women. Homosexuality deprives a man of his manhood and a woman of her womanhood. It is the most un-natural way of life. Homosexuality leads to the destruction of family life."
I don't know if many people know about this, but on the Internet, there are some pages about Muslims who are homosexuals. It is one issue to be Muslim and a homosexual, and another to try to justify this choice by Allah's (The Exalted) book, the Quran, and the word's of the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace). InshaAllah, in this post I will be dealing with the later issue. The first point to make clear is that as Muslims, we accept Allah (The Exalted) and His Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) as the authority and final word on what is right and wrong. This is in important point to be grasped. Otherwise, there is little use in discussing the issue. This is exactly where the people who try to justify homosexuality, and other practices and beliefs, from the Quran go wrong. The point of this post is to make clear the position of Islam on homosexuality so that there will be no doubts about it.
Now concerning the evidence, we follow the methodology laid out by the Muslim scholars. In general, that is to see what the Quran says about an issue, then the Hadith, and then the consensus of the scholars, and the analogy can be made. The evidence concerning the unlawfulness of homosexuality is as follows:
SODOMY AND LESBIANISM
In more than one place in the Holy Koran, Allah recounts to us the story of Lot's people, and how He destroyed them for their wicked practice. There is consensus among both Muslims and the followers of all other religions that sodomy is an enormity. It is even viler and uglier than adultery.
Allah Most High says: "Do you approach the males of humanity, leaving the wives that Allah has created for you? But you are a people who transgress" Koran (26:165-66)
(1) The Prophet (saws) said: (1) "Kill the one who sodomizes and the one who lets if be done to him." (Tirmidhi, a sahih (authentic) hadith)
(2) "May Allah curse him who does that Lot's people did." (Ibn Hibban, sahih (authentic))
(3) "Lesbianism by women is adultery between them." (Tabarani, sahih)"
Taken from the Reliance of the Traveller, transltaed by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, p 664-665.
There are a lot more Hadiths on the issue, and the issue of what is to be done with one who commits sodomy or lesbianism. I will not deal with these now in this post. All I wanted to do was to show that the position of Islam on this issue is that it is an enormity (kaba'ir), and therefore, forbidden, (haram). May Allah (The Exalted) protect us.
What is forbidden in Islam- Homosexuality or practicing Homosexuality?
The common concept for Muslim homosexuals is to commit suicide since they can't be punished for being homosexuals in a non-Islamic state, but two wrongs don't make one right. While homosexuality is wrong, it doesn't justify suicide under any conditions or circumstances. Please know that if you ever commit suicide, you would have seriously misunderstood Islam and its spirit. If you were ever involved in sexual homosexual acts in the past, you should truly and sincerely repent to Allah, The Merciful, The Gracious, and pledge to Him never to get involved in any homosexual acts anymore. Please note that there is a difference to actually being involved in a homosexual act -which is a sin - from having sexual feelings that you try to control, that you don't express in public, which is not sinful if you try to control them. If medical or psychological counseling helps, then get it, but know that Allah is The Curer, and the Qur'an is your best companion. Give charity, pray, make dua', and Allah will not leave you alone. You have got to believe in the infinite amount of Mercy Allah provides to His servants, and you should also realize that He forgives, if He wishes, all types of sins, except the sin of disbelieving in Him.
What is sinful in homosexuality is the actual sexual act between the couple of a similar sex. if you transform your desires into a struggle and a challenge to overcome it and not physically commit it, then insha'Allah, you will get the reward for it.
Don't lose hope! Fear Allah (S.W.T), ask Him for help earnestly, never give up, and do something to get rid of even the idea of homosexuality. Try to avoid all of the circumstances that trigger your homosexual feelings: don't get alone with an attractive man, always be in the company of others, don't get involved in deep / personal discussions with any person that you may think will trigger your homosexual feeling. Stay away from any other people who have similar feelings. Don't even think in such an idea of this subject, keep yourself busy in different useful thing, and stay away of anything that remind you of homosexuality. Keep a POSITIVE thinking in your mind and keep saying to yourself that you can do something about it. Don't ever say I can't. Remember with every step you are taking toward getting rid of this habit you are getting help and reward from Allah (S.W.T) and you are annoying the shaytan.
Also for many Homosexual Muslims the concept of getting married is unappealing. Having this feeling should not prevent you from considering to get married in the future. You will discover that marriage is more than simply fulfilling your sexual needs... Your wife will insha'Allah bring you peace, tranquility, joy, security, and many other feelings that every human being needs, irrelevant of their "sexual partners". Also, while Muslims are not allowed to lie, you should keep this feeling to yourself and not share it with her or your parents for many reasons... Be patient and make it a lifelong struggle for yourself... You will see how rewarding it is at the end... Remember, there is in this world many compulsive gamblers, alcoholics, adulterers, thieves, but many of them control it and refrain from doing it... If they aren't Muslims and have the will to do it, you are a Muslim and you have Allah on your side when you seek His Help. There is no way you will fail insha'Allah...