FAKE PEER Arrested Narowal

[samar]

Dear Samar,

Please do not mix worldly day to day affairs with religion. The religion Islam has been completed by our beloved Prophet Muhammad pbuh before he pbuh died. All kind of Shirks Muslims are doing today were not done by Sahaba (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) after the death of Prophet.

None of the great people like Ali Hajveri (RA), Farid (RA) , etc. preached the SHIRK Muslims are involved today. Nobody is blaming these pious people. Muslims should follow only Quraan and Sunaah pbuh to be successful, period.

Well in your religion day to day affairs may not be part of religion but my religion is complete and takes care of all day to day affairs.............

come out of munafikat have you read kashf ul majoob ............ or any other book by a well known wali Allah.

just define shirk .

 

[samar]

میرے جاھل بھائی۔ میرے ھر کام میں اللہ کی رضا ھے۔ اللہ اگر چاھتا تو میں ماں کے پیٹ میں ھی مر جاتا۔ اگر وہ چاھتا تو شاید ماں کا دودھ پینا بھی نصیب نہ ھوتا۔ میں اگر بیمار ھوتا ھوں تو اللہ کی مرضی سے۔ اگر ٹھیک ھوتا ھوں تو اللہ کی مرضی سے۔ ڈاکٹر کے پاس جا کر علاج کروانے اور داتا دربار پر جا کر دعا مانگنے میں فرق ھے۔ داتا ایک مردہ ھے۔ ایک مرا ھوا انسان اپنے لئے کچھہ نہی کرسکتا تو وہ دوسروں کو کیا دے گا۔ حضرت ابراھیم علیہ سلام نے جو بت توڑے تھے وہ اپنے آپ کو نہ بچا سکے۔ داتا دربار پر جو خودکش حملہ ھوا تو داتا صاحب بھی اپنی حفاظت نہ کرسکے۔ ایک مردہ کچھہ نہی کرسکتا۔ اپنے شرک کو قدرت کے قانون سے نہ جوڑو۔ شرک شرک ھے۔ ناقابل معافی گناہ۔
قرآن کو ترجمہ سے پڑھو اور حدیث سنت پر چلو۔ میں اتنا پوچھا تھا کہ قرآن سے اور حدیث سے ثابت کرو اپنے اس شرک کو۔ لیکن نہی یہ جاھل قبر کو سجدہ کرنے والے پانی پینے کے لئے گلاس کو وسیلہ بنانے کی مثالیں پیش کرتے ھیں۔

tum ne merey sawaloon ka jawab nhi diya i will be waiting for the reply ????

abi to tum ne apni maan ki b nafi kr dee baap ki b nafi kr dee kia tumhareey man baap me koi talluk paida hoa tha jiskey baad tum paida hoey ya vesey hi aasman se a girey ??????????

kia me zinda se mangoon to shirk nhi he murda se mangoon to shirk he ?????? ye konsi definition tum ne bna leee??????

matlab obama se mangna jaiz he data se mangna najaiz he......... kia kehtey ho???

jb shifa Allah ne deenee he to doctor k paas kion jatey Allah to kehta he k main shifa deta hoon..........kia doctor k paas janey vala ore saree doctors mushrik hain ?????????????

jawab do bhagney nhi donga main.

tumhain kia khabr he k kon zinda he kon murda he vesey zinda ore murda se mangney vali logic tum ne pehley samjhanee he vo udhaar he........

jo Allah ki rah me jihad krta hoa mara jaey .....Allah talla khud frmata he k usey murda na kahoo vo zinda he blkey tum fehm nhi rakhtey ............

abb zara btana k Allah ki rah me mara hoa kaisey zinda he ore Allah hukam de raha he k usey murda na kahoo kion ??????????

aik ore hadyt he jis me hzur s.a.w kisi jang se vapis lout rahey hain to sahab karam r.a se keh rahey hain k hm chotey jihad se barey jihad ki taraf laut rahey hain............

abb je batao k chota jihaad vala zinda he to barey jihaad vala kaisey mar gaya ???????

vesey lan.at he tumharee ghatia soch pe .........

ye btao k lal masjid Allah ka ghar tha na vahan Allah ne asleha kion lejaney diya vahan operation kion honey diya..........

khana kaaba Allah ka ghar tha na vahan 1979 me kion logo ne qabza kr lia??????????

ore phir insaano ne usey churaya jis me french commandoes b they kia khuda khud nhi chura sakta tha ?????????

jawab zroor dena i will b waiting.....

Qudrat kon he me to Allah be yakeen krta hoon qudrat kia cheez he.
Allah zinda he ore hr cheez se ba khabar ore daikhney ore sunney vala he.

I think na to tum ne merey kisi sawal ka jawab diya he na hi koi shirk ki definition he tumharey paas sirf baselss davey hain ore kuch nhi.........

sirf firkawariat ki ghalazat bharee hoeey he bunyaad kuch b nhi.

Jee meree jan sab quran o sunnat se hi sabit he........kisi ne qabr ko sajda krney ka nhi kaha jo kehta he vo gumrah he ore jo jhoota ilzaam lagaey vo munafiq ha.

kaaba pathr se bana hoa he pathr ki bzaat e khud koi value nhi bs Allah k Nabi ne un patharo ko Allah k ghar me use kr k izzat baksh dee.

jogging krna koi ibadat nhi lakin Allah ne Apni bandee ki adad pasand anee pe saree ummat e Mohammadi s.a.w k liaey hajj me saee ibadat bna dee...

kankarian marna koi ibadat nhi lakin Allah ko apne bandee ki ada pasand aiee to poori ummat k liaey kankarian marna ibadat bna diya.........me pochta ho kia shiatan vahan hazaroon saal se khara he ?????????

hr cheez ki nisbat he ore vo nisbat hi uski pehchan bun jatee he.........alif ....lam ore .meem ki bzaat e khud koi value nhi lakin jb alif laam meem koi kahey ga to isey izzat mil jaey gee kionkey nisbat khuda se he......

kaghaz ore kitab ki koi hasiat nhi lakin jb us pe Allah ki kalam likh dee jaey to vo mukadas bun jateee he kionkey abb nisbat mil gaee he.....

makam e ibrahim pe kion duain kabool hotee hain Allah to hr jaga he ?????

kaey makamaat pe ibadaat ka sawab bohut ziada he fark sirf nisbat ka he....

shayad kuch baat samhaj me agaee ho aapko...........lakin shart ye he k dil me bughz na ho vrna phir duper ko b sooraj nazar nhi ata..

 

[samar]

کیا جہالت ھے۔ بزرگو کس نے کہا ھے زندہ مدد کر سکتا ھے اور مردہ نہی۔ نہ زندہ نہ ھی مردہ مدد کرتا ھے۔ مدد ھمیشہ اللہ کی ھی ھوتی ھے۔ کچھہ خدا کا خوف کریں اور بات کرنے سے پہلے یہ سمجھہ لیا کریں کہ میں کس کو کس بات کا جواب دے رھا ھوں۔ جب نبی مدد کے لئے اللہ کو پکارے تو پھر اگر عقل رکھتے ھو تو اس بات میں تمھاری غلط فہمی دور ھو جائے گی۔ لعنت ھے اس انسان پر جو اللہ کے سوا کسی اور سے مانگے اور مسلمان بھی کہلائے۔

Yaar phir to supreme court me jao ore writ dair karo k ye poice valey mushrik ho gaeey hain kionkey inho ne madadgaar 15 force bna dee he

recuse 15 valey b sare mushrik hain vo to Allah k kamo me dakhal andazi kr ahey hain???????? logo ko mushrik bna rahey hain.

jb kuffar ko zakat ka kaha gay ato unki b yahi daleel thee k Allah ne jinko ghareeb paida kia he ye nabi s.a.w kehtey hain k inhain zakat do ..........ye to Allah k kamo me mdakhilat he kionkey inko Allah ne ghareeb paida kia hoa he...

saudia ki governmet sary mushrik kionkey unho ne Allah se nhi America se madad talab kee jawab do ??????

pakistani hakumat b mushrik kionkey ye Allah se nhi china se madad letey hain kia khiyaal he ?????????

f16 Allah se nhi mangtee america se mangtey hain mushrik ho gaee he na ????

aajkal drone technology maang rahey hain brey sakht mushrik hain mangtey he mangety hain kia khial he??????

sellaab ata he to phir paisey mangtey hain america se shirk kr rahey hain he na ????

tumharee shirk ki definition ko me agar maan loon to mujhey to sarey hi mushrik nazar atee hain.......

 

[MYCOUNTRY]

خدا کو چھوڑ کر پیروں فقیروں کے چکر میں یہی حاصل ھونا تھا۔ اور کرو شرک​

Mayray London waly Peer ko kuch na kehna,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Warna Karachi main na reh sako gaay.

Fazulur Rehman bhee Peroin ko nahin manta magar Islamabad walay peer ka mureed haay...........haahahahhah

 

[Pakistani1947]

Oh Bhai,

Please read my question, my question was: It's Allah who listens Dua but Kafir listens to Dua as well so that means Allah is not the only one who listens to Dua!

That was my question.

I hope you can make out now.

No one listens to Dua except Allah. Allah says:

[FONT=&quot]7:194 Those whom you call upon besides Allah, [such as mystics and saints], are people like you. Go ahead and call upon them, let them respond by helping you if you are true in your belief. [/FONT]

بے شک جنہیں تم الله کے سوا پکارتے ہو وہ تمہاری طرح کے بندے ہیں پھر انہیں پکار کر دیکھو پھر چاہے کہ وہ تمہاری پکار کو قبول کریں اگر تم سچے ہو
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7:197 Whomever you call instead of Him, have no power to help you, nor can they help themselves. [/FONT]

اور جنہیں تم پکارتے ہو وہ تمہاری مدد نہیں کر سکتے اور نہ اپنی جان کی مدد کر سکتے ہیں
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7:198 Such people are lost in their reverence of false deities. When you invite them to Guidance, they hear without listening and you see them looking at you, but they see not. [/FONT]

اور اگر تم انہیں راستہ کی طرف پکارو تو وہ کچھ نہیں سنیں گے اور تو دیکھے گا کہ وہ تیری طرف دیکھتے ہیں حالانکہ وہ کچھ نہیں دیکھتے

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34:22 Say, Call upon those whom you imagine beside Allah! They have not an atoms weight of power either in the heavens or in the earth, nor have they any share in either, nor does He need any of them as a helper. [/FONT]
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کہہ دوالله کے سوا جن کا تمہیں گھمنڈ ہے انہیں پکارو وہ نہ تو آسمان ہی میں ذرّہ بھر اختیار رکھتے ہیں اور نہ زمین میں اور نہ ان کا ان میں کچھ حصہ ہے اور نہ ان میں سے الله کا کوئی مددکار ہے​

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[BKKhan]

Ye to pakrha gaya.... Iss leiay log iss ko jalee kehte hain.... Haqeeqat main ye sab aisay hee hain... Bahut achha hua iss larhki k saath...ye ibrat hay unn logon ke leiay jo apni betyon, behnon ko in laa'ntyon ke pas bhejte hain... Ye hay shirk ka anjaam

 

[lllcolumbuslll]

There is huge difference between a Prophet obeying Allah order to call a dead bird and a Mushrik calling dead saint to grant him a son!

اوہ بھائی آپ کس جاھل کو جواب دے رھے ھیں۔ یہ بابا جی لگتا ھے نئے نئے رٹایئرڈ ھوئے ھیں۔ ان کے پاس اور کوئی کام نہی ھے۔ یہ نک بھی ویلا مست رکھا ھے۔ ان کو ان کے حال پر چھوڑ دو۔ یہ تو سارا دن رات انٹرنیٹ پر گزارتے ھیں۔ آدھی رات کو یہ اٹھہ ٹھہ کر کمپیوٹر پر دیکھتے ھیں کہ میرے سوال ابھی تک جواب کیوں نہی آیا۔
ابھی بابا جی جواب میں کہیں گے۔ میں تو ابھی جوان ھوں۔

 

[Mughal1]

Dear friends, I am sorry to say but this discussion is not going to produce any clear result because real issue is proper understanding of the quran objectively not justifying one's own make beliefs.

What you are doing is looking at some words in the quran and their meanings and picking the one's that support your beliefs that you already hold. This is wrong approach to the quran.

What we need to do is discover which meanings best explain the quranic text and give it flow that is clear in its context and does not cause contradictions within the quran or between the quran and self evident facts.

The quran is a book that has no hidden agenda nor any secret meanings beyond reality of this world when it talks about it.

As far as shariyat and tariqat and divine kingdom, read history about it and put two and two together you may realise what has been going on in muslim world in the name of islam. We are all aware that once upon a time the prophet of islam brought about the divine kingdom or moral based kingdom just like Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David or Solomon did. These were blessed people and so was our prophet.

Unfortunately, these sample paradises on earth did not last for long because every now and again some people conspired and worked against these heavenly kingdoms and they were brought to an end.

Later generations went back to life styles that were anti heavenly kingdom and those who were concerned at the time were forced to go in to hiding and work secretly for the kingdom of heaven. This is wherein began silaasile tariqat to pass on true knowledge of islam from person to person as emperors and their forces did not let anyone speak the truth openly. The reason these are two opposing ideologies, each is enemy of the other and both cannot exist at the same time. If one gains strength the other goes weak.

In actual fact it is a war between good people and bad people or angels and satans wherein angels are leaders of good people and satans are leaders of bad people.

There comes a time when one party penetrates the circle of the other to keep an eye on their activities and to use them for their purpose.

This is how muslims kings derailed silaasile tareeqat as well that worked against them and turned them round to serve them instead.

The prophet preached openly when he could as well as secretly where he had to, to gain support for his mission or movement.

Anyone who thinks that any person had any supernatural powers is not thinking right because all prophets were human beings who were guided by revelations to show people how to create and maintain a human society that is politically and economically divine. It is of vital importance to look at these stories in context of power struggles between those who wanted perosnal glory and those who wanted to live as a family in the name of Allah.

Islam is not a religion but a deen. Religion is all about pleasing God or Gods by rituals and lets people get on with their lives as they see fit. Deen is political and economic system based upon heavenly guidance for the good of mankind.

The prophets were sent to set examples for normal people as to how to bring about what is required of them and maintain it. This is why they set out to do things like any other person would reading the same message which they read.

It was not that God made prophets supernatural beings to do all this.

If one reads verses like Allah would have sent MALAAIKAH as prophets if the world was full of malaaikah. The real meaning of the verses like this simply mean that kufaar chiefs used to say that why a prophet arises from amongst people who come from poor background rather than the ruling families? Allah replies because most of the world is full of poor people not rich. If world was full of rich and powerful people then Allah would have sent prophets from amongst them.

These verses are not about supernatural powerful beings. Why not? Because if one interprets word malaaikah as supernatural powerful beings with huge powers then throusands of angels in battlefields against a few kufaar would make little sense. This is why we should not interpret the quran in light of make beliefs but keep things real and relevant to normal daily life struggles.

Muslim ummah has become totally dependent on make beliefs instead of learning the purpose of the quran and its plan for mankind. People do not learn what the quran says to them rather they look into the quran for evidences to back up what is already in their own minds. This means instead of getting the guidance from the quran they are trying to guide the quran ie taking it in their direction.

Till this ummah realises these problems clearly and gives up this way of looking at the quran I am very sure that things will only get worse. Sectarianism will gain longer life because people are not working towards a common ground in light of the quran. They are simply reading the quran to justify their own stand point. This leads to misunderstanding of the quran and mistranslations and interpretations.

There is no flow in any translation or interpretation of the quran as it is in the actual quranic text. It is because people did not translate or interpret the quran but put their own make beliefs in there and covered up buried under it the actual message of the quran instead.

If we want guidance from the quran then first step needs to be to translate the quran for ourselves by interpreting it in way that it makes sense in context of its purpose. Do we not find it strange that the quranic text does not contradict itself but almost all translations and its interpretations do. This is clear proof that the quran has not been translated and interpreted correctly.

Most work on islam was done in time when islam was in danger by those who were its enemies. They tried to cover up the message of quran because it opposed their wicked ambitions and desires.

They wanted to build their personal empires on backs of others and they did and they needed religious legitimacy and that was provided by these mullahs and peers whom we worship today thanks to our ignorance of their role in bringing down islamic empire and then thanks to them that we are still fighting with each other not bothered with learning of the quranic message.

The quran is testimony of Allah for the mankind to examine and scrutinize for themselves to see if its claims are true or just make beliefs. From sectarian interpretations it seems the quran is book of make bleiefs and not at all word of Allah. We only need to see what the nonmuslims say about the quranic text as interpreted by our mullahs and peers.

Till we can really prove to ourselves, the quran is really word of Allah we should not think of ourselves as knowledgeable muslims. If we can really understand the quran ourselves then proving to others with knowledge is not difficult at all.

All prophets managed to silence their clever chiefs just by arguing their case effectively. Please read the story of Moses and Pharaoh with understanding.

ASAA is not a stick that turns to snake. ASAA is staff and look up the dictionaries of various languages what staff or stick means. Power upon which one can rely. DUNDE KE ZORE PAR HUKOOMAT. This is revelation that Allah sent to Moses to argue his case with Pharaoh and his chiefs. This is rule based on revelation of Allah ie revelation is dunda of Allah.

Raising of dead discussed by Allah in the quran is not about ordinary life and death but rising and falling of nations. The prophet's ask Allah for his guidance as to how to bring their people back to life again after they have become useless nations.

In story of Abraham Allah is teaching Abraham how to train birds and once they are trained properly how they behave so if he could train his people the nation will follow him and become alive again.

It is very sad that people do not think over what the quran is actually saying.

This problem is highlighted by the quran in surah baqarah 60 etc. When moses observes his people, he sees that they are totally bereft of knowledge ie they are in utter ignorance so he devises a program to educate them so that they could become a living nation once more.

The story is not about moses hitting his danda on a stone to get water for them. They are found to be needing knowledge not water. That is because in pharaoh's captivity they were deprived of learning because egyptians did not want them to be powerful people. Knowledge is power and so message of Allah is sent to moses to use it as a basis for training of Israelites.

During power struggles a lot of people die and these sacrifices must never be allowed to be forgotten because they keep a people alive. So long as a people take pride in dying for what they believe is right and good for them, such people can never be taken as slaves.

Are we children living in fairy land or educated people who should think and guide ourselves and others by proper understanding of the quran?

May Allah have mercy on this ummah and help its educated people to realise the real message of the quran.

regards and all the best.

 

[hammad78]

Mujhay Hairat hoti hai ke yeh kaisay musalman hain jo Allah ko chor kar Peeron Faqeeron ke chakron main paray rehtay hain. Main nay aaj tak Allah ke sawa kisi se nahin manga, na main kisi mazar pay gia hoon, is ke bawajood Allah nay mujhay sab kuch dia hai.

 

[Veila Mast]

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Having said that I just want to elaborate Veila had no intention to take topic to this direction but you provoked me to do so as my dear friend Mr. Pakistan always blame me to deviate topic!

Now could Mr. Pakistan be witness of this post by you and I believe next time Mr. Pakistan won't blame me for that.

Secondly, I must CONFESS that VEILA MAST is very young and very handsome guy (Masha Allah) and I will ask Mr. Pakistan to issue a FATWA how come someone know UNSEEN!

It's Allah who knows UNSEEN!

Isn't it?

That's your problem Sir, when you act upon something then that's justified but if we do then we are at guilty!

Suppose wearing Green Turban, look at Mr. Zia ur Rahman, prominent leader of Sipah Sahaba Pakistan:

Now listen to Zia ur Rahman about Rahmat e Nabi @ 6:50/10:29:

 

[Pakistani1947]

Mujhay Hairat hoti hai ke yeh kaisay musalman hain jo Allah ko chor kar Peeron Faqeeron ke chakron main paray rehtay hain. Main nay aaj tak Allah ke sawa kisi se nahin manga, na main kisi mazar pay gia hoon, is ke bawajood Allah nay mujhay sab kuch dia hai.

May Allah bless you with his "naimats" in this world and the hereafter.

The du'a is one of the best deeds with Allah ta a'la and is characterized as the core of ibaadah. The Messenger salallahu aleyhi wa selam said : 'ed du'ah huval ibaadah', the duah is Ibaadah. Afterwards He recited the ayah:

وَقَالَ رَبُّكُمُ ادْعُونِي أَسْتَجِبْ لَكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَسْتَكْبِرُونَ عَنْ عِبَادَتِي سَيَدْخُلُونَ جَهَنَّمَ دَاخِرِينَ
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Yusuf Ali 60: And your Lord says: "Call on Me; I will answer your (Prayer): but those who are too arrogant to serve Me will surely find themselves in Hell - in humiliation!"

اور تمہارے رب نے فرمایا ہے مجھے پکارو میں تمہاری دعا قبول کروں گا بے شک جو لوگ میری عبادت سے سرکشی کرتے ہیں عنقریب وہ ذلیل ہو کر دوزخ میں داخل ہوں گے
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Du'a as ibaadah to Allah ta a'la is strictly required to be invoked only from Allah the One who is alone and without partners. Allah also says:

وَإِذَا سَأَلَكَ عِبَادِي عَنِّي فَإِنِّي قَرِيبٌ ۖ أُجِيبُ دَعْوَةَ الدَّاعِ إِذَا دَعَانِ ۖ فَلْيَسْتَجِيبُوا لِي وَلْيُؤْمِنُوا بِي لَعَلَّهُمْ يَرْشُدُونَ
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Yusuf Ali 186: When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way. (Quraan, Baqarah 2:186)

اور جب آپ سےمیرے بندے میرے متعلق سوال کریں تو میں نزدیک ہوں دعاا کرنے والے کی دعا قبول کرتا ہوں جب وہ مجھے پکارتا ہے پھر چاہیئے کہ میرا حکم مانیں اور مجھ پر ایمان لائیں تاکہ وہ ہدایت پائیں​