Dr Zakir Naik & Altaf Hussain-Same Thought About Partition

[Abher]

I, being a Pakistani, give a damn to his opinion about the creation of GREAT PAKISTAN.... When people say that, the situation of Indian Muslims is better than the people of Pakistan, it makes me laugh... One must remember that 2 years ago, Pakistan was among the 11 fastest growing economies (Within the developing countries)... We have a bad time right now, but it does not mean that it will go on like this... It will be over soon inshaAllah and we will again be on the path of rapid growth...

GOD bless PAKISTAN.... PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

 

[Abher]

With all due respect, Altaf or his family was not alone who migrated ......... my family was migrated from indian to Pakistan... My Grand father was killed on his way and my father became orphan even before his birth... My family was well off there but when they arrived here, they lost everything.. but it does not mean that you start talking like this.... Those sacrifices were for a purpose.... By saying that Pakistan was a mistake, we are denying the sacrifices of all those SHAHEEDS....

lol you killed them and didnt let them leave haha...u try walking 2000 miles whilst staying alive ..im sure you could do it too with a few bottles of cow urine haha...haha is it worship so suck the pee thru the cows lingum , lol just curious..

PS guys you have to understand where altaf was coming from , it was obviously a huge deal for them ...they lost their homes , their business and loved ones...some say a million people died ,that to me is a human catastrophy...lets stop this anti mqm agenda the people of pakistan are not idiots anymore if karachites want mqm to rule them then thats their problem...but please understand where they are coming from ...i personally think he said it cause of the loss of life and because he was entertaining the indian crowd in his own extremely weird way

 

[rakeem]

Partition was a great opportunity which we have lost. India immediately after partition initiated land reform, by first bribing their princes with huge pension from Indian govt. then threw their maharajas, and confiscated their estate. Pakistan is still practicing status quo draconian aristocratic law with the same feudal players calling the shots. What has Pakistan gained after its independence, it has lost parts of its country as well as is going towards total destruction as a failed state. Economically, politically backward sitting on huge resources but unable to use it for their own benefit. No respect outside the country and no respect for each other more divided then united in different classes, ethnicities, sects, languages.
Giving so much time to bash an individual for speaking his mind if we have tried to spend this much in our own country, instead of surrendering to the feudals. If we were a nation we should've be talking about future not scrutinizing from where did the rot started. No need to waste ourselves about a comment from a politician instead try to improve of what we have.

 

[nasir ahmed]

***** on both pieces of shit how many muslims were salughtered for this country and two holes say it was wrong it was made by the will of Allah not two indians

 

[patriot]

I do understand Zakir Naik's views about creation of Pakistan.
Maybe he is thinking about so many lost sheep that could have been his.

 

[YAHYA87]

In Israel, there no such party like MQM, with No Go areas and Bori Culture. Your pain towards "stranded Pakistanis" is nothing but your wish to
increase your vote bank with their numbers.

So if it is then how does this make them NON PAKISTANI????Whatever might be my concern but since we are talking about Ideology so wasnt our IDEOLOGY suppose to TALK ABOUT THEIR RETURN????Vote Bank or not but that Pakistan Ideology is under discussion here so dont match POLITICS FROM IDEOLOGY....

 

[bankalalookheti]

In Israel, there no such party like MQM, with No Go areas and Bori Culture. Your pain towards "stranded Pakistanis" is nothing but your wish to
increase your vote bank with their numbers.

Exactly, they will come here and like their brethren, who came in the 70, will fight with every ethnic group in Orangi. Pakistan, especially Sindh, cannot afford another wave of Bihari immigrants from India or Bangladesh. Those Biharis in Bangladesh should be clearly told that now you are a citizen of Bangladesh, be thankful and unlike your brethren in Orangi, live peacefully with your other Bangladeshi countrymen.

 

[jootaymaro]

Why MQM is still Struggling to justify their leaders statements?

Must read the comment posted with this video in youtube.

 

[GeoG]

ہڈی گلے میں بری طرح پھنس گئی ہے
نہ نکلے گی نہ اگلی جا سکے گی

الطاف حسین کا گانوں کا اگلا والیم تو کافی سریلا ہو گا ​

 

[Night-Hawk]

I am very much amazed by the thought-provoking analysis of Brother [Jootaymaro]. However I beg to differ on certain points. Altaf's proposition of united India and Zakir Naik's stance are poles apart. Little did our thread starter realize that Altaf in his very essence is fasaad fil ard, hell bent on dividing the Muslims (Muslims of Pakistan in his case), while talking about the the whole Muslims of India ---- it is ridiculous. The one whose whole ideology rests on segregating the muslims on ethnolinguistic lines, is talking about the whole muslims of India --- something beyond my comprehension. Zakir Naik on the other hand is representing an Indian stance on the division of subcontinent. This is quite conceivable and a muslim being loyal citizen of the state must be in tune with the official standpoint of the Indian government. It would be imprudent to expect from a person like Zakir Naik to express approval of the partition for two basic reasons ;

1- He is one of the leading muslim scholars in India and his statement in favour of partition would have caused a significant backlash on Muslims in India. He will never usher a statement which portrays or insinuates something opposite to the Indian national sentiments. Hats off to his patriotism.

2- A vast majority of Indian muslims still thinks that division of the subcontinent has actually harmed them. They hold the curse of partition responsible for the oppression and poverty of Indian Muslims. Although Hindu intellectuals are of the view that majority of the well off families left for Pakistan.

Partition, the way it was conceived was not meant for complete segregation of Muslim and Hindu communities into two different countries. The actual plan was to unite muslim majority provinces into a separate state to safeguard the interests of those areas and also to initiate a long awaited Muslim renaissance in a Muslim autonomous region (which would have otherwise been impossible in united India). However the way things unfolded was quite contrary to the actual notion. Stronger urge for Pakistan emerged in those areas where Muslims felt threatened from surrounding Hindu majority. Similarly another big blow was division of Punjab and Bengal. Punjab and Bengal provinces with Muslim majorities were geographically unmitigated entities. Quaid-e-Azam's philosophy was not to divide these provinces and he was also against major demographic shift. In order to stop the division of aforementioned provinces he urged Hindus and Sikhs to remain in Punjab and Bengali Hindus to remain in East Pakistan so that the whole provinces fall with in Pakistan. He tried his best to persuade Master Tara Singh and other Congressmen but to no avail. The major partition trauma which led to forced evacuation and slaughtering of Hindus and Muslims from either sides, was due to stubbornness of Congress leaders. Had there been no partition of Punjab there would have been no dispute over Kashmir.

 

[YAHYA87]

Exactly, they will come here and like their brethren, who came in the 70, will fight with every ethnic group in Orangi. Pakistan, especially Sindh, cannot afford another wave of Bihari immigrants from India or Bangladesh. Those Biharis in Bangladesh should be clearly told that now you are a citizen of Bangladesh, be thankful and unlike your brethren in Orangi, live peacefully with your other Bangladeshi countrymen.

So then why Bother Calling Pakistan an IDEOLOGICAL STATE?????When Pakistan isnt even True to its own Ideology then why Even call Pakistan An Ideological country???Till their return Pakistan would be called ARTIFICIAL COUNTRY cause the country which cant even TRUE to ITS CREATION then what else should that Country be called???BTW Karachi is not the Only place where WHOLE PAKISTAN CAN DUMP ANY REFUGEES their is a Big Brother Punjab also there to BEAR SOME BURDEN if Sindh have Problems then...BTW do you Expect them to live PEACEFULLY in Awaami League Govt. which they OPPOSED with PASSION at Fall of Dhaka???They arent even Declare citrizens of Bangladesh cause they dont speak bangali as their First Language so they dont have any Future there but their real FUTURE is Pakistan....

 

[Night-Hawk]

THE SLOGAN OF TWO-NATION THEORY WAS RAISED TO DECEIVE THE ONE HUNDRED MILLION MUSLIMS OF THE SUBCONTINENT – ALTAF HUSSAIN

I have few queries --- deception to Muslims by whom? Who raised this slogan and who propagated this slogan? And of which timeline he and his disciples are talking about? Pre-partition or post-partition? Because the slogan was raised before partition. If this idea has proved wrong afterwards then why he is doubting the intentions of the pioneers of freedom?

 

[YAHYA87]

THE SLOGAN OF TWO-NATION THEORY WAS RAISED TO DECEIVE THE ONE HUNDRED MILLION MUSLIMS OF THE SUBCONTINENT – ALTAF HUSSAIN

I have few queries --- deception to Muslims by whom? Who raised this slogan and who propagated this slogan? And of which timeline he and his disciples are talking about? Pre-partition or post-partition? Because the slogan was raised before partition. If this idea has proved wrong afterwards then why he is doubting the intentions of the pioneers of freedom?

Post Partition Pakistan is relally looks like a big Deception from Two Nation Theory cause today's Pakistan cant REFLECT any Two Nation Theory at all...Two Nation Theory was about Whole Indian Subcontinent while Pakistan is now become all about Few States of Indian Subcontinent....So on what basis Today's Pakistan could be Considered as TWO NATION THEORY????

 

[Night-Hawk]

Post Partition Pakistan is relally looks like a big Deception from Two Nation Theory cause today's Pakistan cant REFLECT any Two Nation Theory at all...Two Nation Theory was about Whole Indian Subcontinent while Pakistan is now become all about Few States of Indian Subcontinent....So on what basis Today's Pakistan could be Considered as TWO NATION THEORY????

Is this an answer to my question? Please ask your seniors to quench the intellectual and philosophical thirst of Pakistanis after reading the "philosophical statement" of your British-Indian leader.

 

[YAHYA87]

Is this an answer to my question? Please ask your seniors to quench the intellectual and philosophical thirst of Pakistanis after reading the "philosophical statement" of your British-Indian leader.

British Indian Leaders were not AWARE of Pakistan could be END UP like that so they werent the DECEIVERS but the Leaders who came Afterward were found out to be Deceivers...

 

[mehwish_ali]

I am very much amazed by the thought-provoking analysis of Brother [Jootaymaro]. However I beg to differ on certain points. Altaf's proposition of united India and Zakir Naik's stance are poles apart. Little did our thread starter realize that Altaf in his very essence is fasaad fil ard, hell bent on dividing the Muslims (Muslims of Pakistan in his case), while talking about the the whole Muslims of India ---- it is ridiculous. The one whose whole ideology rests on segregating the muslims on ethnolinguistic lines, is talking about the whole muslims of India --- something beyond my comprehension. Zakir Naik on the other hand is representing an Indian stance on the division of subcontinent. This is quite conceivable and a muslim being loyal citizen of the state must be in tune with the official standpoint of the Indian government. It would be imprudent to expect from a person like Zakir Naik to express approval of the partition for two basic reasons ;

1- He is one of the leading muslim scholars in India and his statement in favour of partition would have caused a significant backlash on Muslims in India. He will never usher a statement which portrays or insinuates something opposite to the Indian national sentiments. Hats off to his patriotism.

2- A vast majority of Indian muslims still thinks that division of the subcontinent has actually harmed them. They hold the curse of partition responsible for the oppression and poverty of Indian Muslims. Although Hindu intellectuals are of the view that majority of the well off families left for Pakistan.

پتا نہیں آپ کونسے چشمے سے چیزوں کو دیکھتے ہیں کہ "ایک ہی کہی گئی بات " کو گھما پھرا کر ایک شخص کے لیے گناہ عظیم بنا دیتے ہیں، جبکہ دوسرے فریق کے لیے باعث افتخار۔ مداری پن کا یہ کرشمہ ہے تو غلط، مگر اپنی مثال آپ ہے۔

آپ کا دعوی یہ ہے کہ ذاکر نائیک نے یہ بات صرف اس لیے کہہ دی ہے کیونکہ وہ ہندوؤں سے "تقیہ" کر رہا ہے ورنہ وہ بھی تقسیم پاکستان کے حق میں ہے؟

تو میں آپ کو مشورہ دوں گی کہ آپ انڈیا کے سینکڑوں ہزاروں مسلمانوں سے پرائیویٹ میں مل لیں اور وہ آپ کو پرائیویٹ میں بھی یہ کہتے نظر آئیں گے کہ تقسیم پاکستان ایک غلطی تھا (اُنکی لاجک کے مطابق) حالانکہ انہی انڈین مسلمانوں کی پرانی نسلوں نے پاکستان بنانے کے لیے سب سے زیادہ متحرک تحریک چلائی تھی اور قربانیاں دی تھیں۔

اور آپ نے الطاف حسین کو انڈین مسلمانوں سے بالکل الگ اکھاڑ کر کیوں پھینک دیا؟ اگر ذاکر نائیک آپ کے بقول انڈین مسلمانوں کی نمائندگی کر رہے ہیں تو الطاف حسین اُن ہزاروں لاکھوں "مسلمان خون کے تقسیم شدہ خاندانوں کی نمائندگی کر رہے ہیں کہ جن کے ماں باپ انڈیا میں ہیں تو بیٹی پاکستان میں۔ بہن بھائی سے جدا ہے تو کہیں اولاد اپنے والدین سے۔

اور اگر ذاکر نائیک کو آپ تقیہ کا حق دے رہے ہیں تو آپ الطاف حسین کو تقیہ کا یہ حق کیوں نہیں دے رہے تاکہ انڈین حکومت کا رویہ ان مہاجر خاندانوں کی طرف نرم ہو سکے اور انہیں ویزے مل سکیں، انہیں انڈیا آنے جانے میں آسانیاں مل سکیں، انہیں اپنے پیاروں سے ملنے کے لیے موجودہ ہزاروں مسائل کا سامنا نہ کرنا پڑے؟ الطاف حسین نے کب پاکستان توڑنے کی بات کی ہے؟ کوئی ایک جملہ دکھا دیں اس تقریر کا جہاں الطاف حسین نے پاکستان توڑنے کی بات کی ہو۔ نہیں، الطاف حسین نے کھل کر پاکستان کے استحکام کی بات کی ہے اور انڈیا میں کھڑے ہو کر کہا ہے کہ اب انڈیا اور پاکستان دو "حقیقتیں " بن کر معرض وجود میں آ چکی ہیں، دونوں کو ایک دوسرے کو کھلے دل سے تسلیم کر لینا چاہیے، خطے میں امن و امان قائم کرنا چاہیے تاکہ دونوں ممالک کی غریب عوام غربت کی چکی میں نہ پستی رہے۔

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[bankalalookheti]

So then why Bother Calling Pakistan an IDEOLOGICAL STATE?????When Pakistan isnt even True to its own Ideology then why Even call Pakistan An Ideological country???Till their return Pakistan would be called ARTIFICIAL COUNTRY cause the country which cant even TRUE to ITS CREATION then what else should that Country be called???BTW Karachi is not the Only place where WHOLE PAKISTAN CAN DUMP ANY REFUGEES their is a Big Brother Punjab also there to BEAR SOME BURDEN if Sindh have Problems then...BTW do you Expect them to live PEACEFULLY in Awaami League Govt. which they OPPOSED with PASSION at Fall of Dhaka???They arent even Declare citrizens of Bangladesh cause they dont speak bangali as their First Language so they dont have any Future there but their real FUTURE is Pakistan....

63 years have passed since the creation of Pakistan and a lot of water has passed under the bridge since the inception of this country. We are facing new problems today and we have to adjust our priorities to adrress the new problems accordingly. I am for the repatration of the millions of illegal aliens from Karachi to Bangladesh, let alone bringing those stranded Biharis to Krachi. Sindh cannot afford a new wave of Bihari or Bangladeshi immigrants, and no matter where these wannabe Pakistanis are settled their exodus will end up in Karachi. The so-called ideology of Pakistan and the propa****a of the two nation theory by the Alll India Muslim League is a thing of past, we have to educate our people we have to provide them jobs and seucrity, our people are our first priority. Thsoe Biharis have been awarded Bangladeshi citizensip in the past and now the time has come for them to face the reality and they have to accept it. Take the Bangladeshi citizenship and and be a good Bangladeshi citizen.

 

[Muhammad Ikhlaq Siddiqui]

So one indian and the other ones who want to be an indian have same thought...whats the big deal...

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[mehwish_ali]

British Indian Leaders were not AWARE of Pakistan could be END UP like that so they werent the DECEIVERS but the Leaders who came Afterward were found out to be Deceivers...

یحیی بھائی، میں تو ہمیشہ سے اس نظریے کی قائل رہی ہوں کہ قیام پاکستان صحیح تھا اور نہ غلط، بلکہ ہمارا بطور قوم ایک امتحان تھا۔ افسوس کہ بعد مٰیں آنے والے حکمران اور نسلیں اس امتحان میں ناکام ہو رہے ہیں اور قائد کی امیدوں اور خوابوں کے مطابق ابھی تک پاکستان کو نہیں ڈھال سکے ہیں۔

پاکستان میں آبادی کم تھی اور پاکستان کے پاس بہت مواقع تھی کہ وہ دن دگنی اور رات چوگنی ترقی کرتا کیونکہ پاکستان کے وسائل اسکی آبادی کے تناسب سے کم تھے جبکہ انڈیا میں آبادی کے تناسب سے وسائل کم۔

 

[bankalalookheti]

British Indian Leaders were not AWARE of Pakistan could be END UP like that so they werent the DECEIVERS but the Leaders who came Afterward were found out to be Deceivers...

What is your problem buddy? I have hardly any idea what you are trying to convey here? Please elaborate.