Dont blame Pakistan for failure of the war: Imran Khan

raju

Senator (1k+ posts)
LONDON, July 27 (APP)-Chairman, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf Imran Khan in his article appearing in the British daily ‘The Times’ has called on political leaders in the US and UK to realise that people in the streets of New York and London are not threatened by the people in the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan but by the growing radicalisation of their own marginalised Muslim youth. Khan noted that there is no danger of Talibanisation in Pakistan but there is a very real threat of chaos and radicalisation, especially of the youth.

Speaking about the conflict in Afghanistan, Khan wrote: “There is only one solution to this chaos. This is to implement an immediate ceasefire and commence talks with all militant groups in Afghanistan.
Either America leaves or Pakistan withdraws from this war.”
He goes to say: “The US should not worry about Pakistan. Once the bombing stops, it will no longer be jihad and the suicide attacks will immediately subside. About 18 months ago the former head of the CIA’s Kabul station, Graham Fuller, wrote in the International Herald Tribune that once the US leaves the region Pakistan will be stable.”
According to him ‘there is now a general recognition that the war in Afghanistan cannot be won militarily. All the Taliban have to do to win is not to lose. The Americans won’t stay and everybody knows that.
‘The focus has come to rest on the inevitable need to talk with all militant groups in Afghanistan. While most important players are ready to talk peace, the US remains confused and has still to straighten out its policy. This confusion is once again taking its toll, especially on Pakistan.
‘As the US and Nato realise the failure of their military policy in Afghanistan, they are seeking to shift the centre of gravity of the war into the north west of Pakistan, the region known as the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA). One of the fears raised in the West at the prospect of withdrawing troops from Afghanistan is that it will lead to a Taliban- controlled nuclear Pakistan. That fear betrays a total ignorance about the evolution of the Taliban movement as well as the impact of the War on Terror on Pakistan.
‘Remember, there was no Pakistani involvement in 9/11. Nor throughout the period of the Taliban regime in Kabul was there Talibanisation in Pakistan.
When the Americans were drawing up their military response to the 9/11 attacks, they drew up a list of seven conditions for Pakistan to meet to attract US support. The assumption was that ex-President General (retd) Pervez Musharraf, might agree to three or four. Instead he unilaterally signed up for the lot. These conditions were a total violation of the human rights of the people of Pakistan and the sovereignty of the country.
About suicide bombing, he wrote :‘We never had suicide bombings in our history until 2004. Now we have 30 to 40 deaths a day from shells or bombings and the suicide attacks continue to increase. While we have received about $15 billion in aid from the US, our own economy has lost about $50 billion.
We have borrowed a record amount of money from the International Monetary Fund, which was only given to us because of our role in the war, not because we could afford to pay it back. Our social and economic fabric is being destroyed because of the conditions that the IMF has imposed.
Furthermore, Imran Khan mentioned about US failure to take advantage of the situation in the post 2001 situation.
‘It is unfortunate that the US was unable to use the window of opportunity that it had in the immediate aftermath of the removal of the Taliban Government in late 2001. It could have brought in a truly broad-based Afghan government and invested in the development of the country. Instead, it continued its military actions and brought corrupt and criminal elements into power in Kabul.


http://ftp.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=110528&Itemid=2
 

Abdali

Senator (1k+ posts)
David Cameron should keep his filthy zionist mouth period.The smell alone of his retarded statement is causing cancer among sane people of UK.What
A baffoon his little britain is occupyning Iraq and Afghanistan, and he is talking about Pakistan??F U DAVID THE JEW CAMERON and his master Rothchild.
 

Geek

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Don't blame Pakistan for the failure of the War! Imran Khan

Before the West invaded Afghanistan my country had no suicide bombers, no jihad and no Talebanisation.

There is now a general recognition that the war in Afghanistan cannot be won militarily. All the Taleban have to do to win is not to lose. The Americans won’t stay and everybody knows that.

The focus has come to rest on the inevitable need to talk with all the militant groups in Afghanistan. While most important players are ready to talk peace, the US remains confused and has still to straighten out its policy. This confusion is once again taking its toll, especially on Pakistan.

As the US and Nato realise the failure of their military policy in Afghanistan, they are seeking to shift the centre of gravity of the war into the north west of Pakistan, the region known as the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA). One of the fears raised in the West at the prospect of withdrawing troops from Afghanistan is that it will lead to a Taleban- controlled nuclear Pakistan. That fear betrays a total ignorance about the evolution of the Taleban movement as well as the impact of the War on Terror on Pakistan.

Remember, there was no Pakistani involvement in 9/11. Nor throughout the period of the Taleban regime in Kabul was there Talebanisation in Pakistan
.

When the Americans were drawing up their military response to the 9/11 attacks, they drew up a list of seven conditions for Pakistan to meet to attract US support. The assumption was that General Pervez Musharraf, the former President of Pakistan, might agree to three or four. Instead he unilaterally signed up for the lot. These conditions were a total violation of the human rights of the people of Pakistan and the sovereignty of the country.

This was a leader with whom President Clinton had refused to shake hands when he came to Pakistan before 9/11, for fear of being seen to support a dictator. It was quite shameless how the Pakistani leadership capitulated and how the US gave Musharraf the embrace of legitimacy. This was reminiscent of the Cold War era when tinpot dictators were routinely supported by the US.

In 2004 Pakistan’s Government sent troops into Waziristan, where al-Qaeda was allegedly present. I was one of the only politicians from outside the tribal areas who had been to Waziristan and I opposed the move in Pakistan’s Parliament. Anyone who knows the region and its history could see it would be a disaster.

Until that point we had no militant Taleban in Pakistan. We had militant groups, but our own military establishment was able to control them. We had madrassas, but none of them produced militants intent on jihad until we became a frontline state in the War on Terror.

The country is fighting someone else’s war. We never had suicide bombings in our history until 2004. Now we have 30 to 40 deaths a day from shells or bombings and the suicide attacks continue to increase. While we have received about $15 billion in aid from the US, our own economy has lost about $50 billion.

We have borrowed a record amount of money from the International Monetary Fund, which was only given to us because of our role in the war, not because we could afford to pay it back. Our social and economic fabric is being destroyed because of the conditions that the IMF has imposed.

Millions of our people have been displaced and a massive radicalisation of our youth has taken place as they see the Pakistani state becoming a puppet doing US bidding. The military operations by Pakistan in FATA have led to 40,000 casualties in indiscriminate aerial bombardment and ground fire.

The attacks by US drones, in which the Government of Pakistan is complicit, have also killed thousands of civilians, leading to a growing hatred becoming embedded among the local population. There is deep resentment of the war in the frontier regions, where high unemployment feeds the discontent.

The war in Afghanistan is justified as a stabilising force for Pakistan, whereas in truth the country is collapsing under the pressure. We are like Cambodia in the Vietnam War. After the Wikileaks revelations yesterday reports are being floated that the ISI, Pakistan’s intelligence service, is aiding the Afghan militancy. The fact is that the ISI is not that powerful, but certainly in an environment of chaos and uncertainty Pakistan will need to protect its interests through all means necessary.

It is unfortunate that the US was unable to use the window of opportunity that it had in the immediate aftermath of the removal of the Taleban Government in late 2001. It could have brought in a truly broad-based Afghan government and invested in the development of the country. Instead, it continued its military actions and brought corrupt and criminal elements into power in Kabul.

Pakistan, supposedly an ally of the US, is bearing the brunt of American failure in Afghanistan. A recent poll showed that 80 per cent of Pakistanis consider the US a bigger threat to their country than India. Nor is this view about the US solely because of the “War on Terror”. Pakistanis also blame the US for brokering the “National Reconciliation Order”, which was intended to sustain Musharraf in power while also bringing rogue Pakistani politicians back into the political landscape.

The result is a total collapse of governance in Pakistan today. There is no danger of Talebanisation in Pakistan but there is a very real threat of chaos and radicalisation, especially of the youth.

There is only one solution to this chaos. This is to implement an immediate ceasefire and commence talks with all militant groups in Afghanistan. Either America leaves or Pakistan withdraws from this war.

The US should not worry about Pakistan. Once the bombing stops, it will no longer be jihad and the suicide attacks will immediately subside. About 18 months ago the former head of the CIA’s Kabul station, Graham Fuller, wrote in the

International Herald Tribune that once the US leaves the region Pakistan will be stable.


Political leaders in the US and UK should realise that people in the streets of New York and London are not threatened by the people in the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan but by the growing radicalisation of their own marginalised Muslim youth.

Imran Khan is the founder and chairman of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (the Movement for Justice Party).

Don't blame Pakistan for your own Failures of War! - Imran Khan
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
پاکستان کا بے وقوف ترین احمق لیڈر: عمران خان


He goes to say: The US should not worry about Pakistan. Once the bombing stops, it will no longer be jihad and the suicide attacks will immediately subside.[/url]


اس احمق کو کوئی جا کر سوات کے حالات دکھائے جہاں طالبان کو نفاذ شریعت بل کے نام پر پورا علاقہ حوالے کر دیا گیا۔

مگر نتیجہ کیا؟

کیا طالبان اپنے فتنے و فساد سے باز آ گئے؟

کیا طالبان نے پاکستان کے آئین کو تسلیم کر لیا؟ یا پھر انہوں نے پاکستان کے آئین کو کافرانہ نظام قرار دے دیا؟

کیا طالبان اپنے فتنے سے باز آ گئے۔۔۔۔ یا پھر سوات ڈیل نے انہیں پورا موقع فراہم کیا کہ وہ دوبارہ سے منظم ہو کر بونیر اور اگلے اگلے علاقوں تک جنگ کو پھیلاتے ہوئے اپنا اثر و رسوخ بڑھاتے جائیں؟ کیا آپ کو پتا ہے اس نفاذ شریعت امن معاہدے کے بعد طالبان کے ہاتھوں کتنے معصوم پاکستانی مسلمانوں نے اپنی جان کھوئی اور خون میں لت پت ہو گئے؟ کیا آپ کو انکی پہاڑوں میں تڑپتی لاشیں یاد ہیں کہ جب طالبان نے بونیر پر حملہ کر کے ان معصوموں کو قتل کر دیا تھا؟


کاش عمران خان اپنے مفادات کو بلند رکھنے کی بجائے پاکستان کے مفادات کو بلند رکھتا۔ ایسے سیاسی بیان دے کر اسے سستی شہرت تو مل جائے گی، مگر قوم کا بیڑہ غرق کر دے گا۔

ایک لیڈر کو عوام کا موڈ دیکھ کر نہیں چلنا چاہیے، بلکہ عوام کو صحیح راہ دکھانی چاہیے، چاہے وہ مشکل راہ ہی کیوں نہ ہو۔ عمران خان سستی شہرت حاصل کرنے کے لیے ہوا کے رخ پر چل تو رہا ہے، مگر پاکستان میں طالبان امریکہ کے جانے کے بعد ہتھیار ڈالنے اور اپنے فتنے سے باز آنے والے نہیں۔


طالبان کے خلاف جنگ سب سے پہلے ہماری اپنی ہے۔ طالبان نے پاکستانی سرزمین پر قبضہ کر کے اپنا جابرانہ نظام زبردستی لوگوں پر نافذ کر رکھا ہے اور پاکستان کو سب سے پہلے پاک سرزمین کو ان طالبان سے پاک کرنا ہے۔

 

LeftBrain

MPA (400+ posts)
I agree with Imran here, he talks sense on the issue of, and for the solution of problems in that part of the world. Retaliation automatically stops when attacks stop, it may take some time, but it will difinitely far less then, and far less bloody then, what this region is going through because of US and NATO presence.
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I agree with Imran here, he talks sense on the issue of, and for the solution of problems in that part of the world. Retaliation automatically stops when attacks stop, it may take some time, but it will difinitely far less then, and far less bloody then, what this region is going through because of US and NATO presence.

بھائی،۔ عمران خان جب امریکہ کی بات کرتا ہے کہ اُسے علاقے سے نکل جانا چاہیے، تو یہ یقینا صحیح بات ہے۔

مگر عمران خان کیوں اکیلا امریکہ پر تنقید کرتا ہے، اور کیوں اپنے حمید گل کے تربیت یافتہ آئی ایس آئی کے جنریلوں پر تنقید نہیں کرتا کہ انکا امریکہ کی مدد سے طالبان کو ناجائز جنم دینا غلط کام تھا، کیوں نہیں کھل کر کہتا کہ عمران خان کے آج کے یار غار حمید گل جیسے لوگ غلطی پر ہیں جب انہوں نے زبردستی طالبان کو افغانستان کی معصوم عوام پر مسلط کرنا چاہا تاکہ پاکستان افغانستان میں اپنی پروکسی حکومت بنا سکے؟

عمران خان کو کھل کر بولنا چاہیے کہ طالبان کا پاک سرزمین کے کسی بھی حصے پر قبضہ نامنظور ہے، اور اگر وہ یہ قبضہ قائم رکھتے ہیں تو پھر انکے خلاف وار آف ٹیرر ہماری اپنی ہے۔

طالبانی خصلت کا ذکر میں اوپر کر چکی ہوں۔ کو کچھ انہوں نے سوات میں نفاذ شریعت بل منظور ہو جانے کے بعد کیا، اور جتنے معصوم لوگ اس معاہدے کے بعد طالبان کے ہاتھوں بے قصور خون کی نظر ہو گئے، ان سب کا حساب کون دے گا؟ اس سب خون کے ذمہ دار عمران خان اور ان جیسے دوسرے لوگ ہیں جنہوں نے طالبان کو "ہمارے بھائی" کہتے ہوئے سوات کا علاقہ انکے حوالے کرنے کی مخالفت نہیں کی۔

مگر نہیں آپ کو اب ان معصوموں کا خون اب نظر نہیں آئے گا کیونکہ ان کے ذمہ داروں میں طالبان کے علاوہ عمران خان بھی اپنی بے وقوفی کی وجہ سے شامل ہے۔

سیدھی سی بات ہے، عمران خان کو اپنے مفادات سے زیادہ ملک کے مفادات کو مقدم رکھنا چاہیے۔
 

dagreat123

Siasat.pk - Blogger
بھائی،۔ عمران خان جب امریکہ کی بات کرتا ہے کہ اُسے علاقے سے نکل جانا چاہیے، تو یہ یقینا صحیح بات ہے۔

مگر عمران خان کیوں اکیلا امریکہ پر تنقید کرتا ہے، اور کیوں اپنے حمید گل کے تربیت یافتہ آئی ایس آئی کے جنریلوں پر تنقید نہیں کرتا کہ انکا امریکہ کی مدد سے طالبان کو ناجائز جنم دینا غلط کام تھا، کیوں نہیں کھل کر کہتا کہ عمران خان کے آج کے یار غار حمید گل جیسے لوگ غلطی پر ہیں جب انہوں نے زبردستی طالبان کو افغانستان کی معصوم عوام پر مسلط کرنا چاہا تاکہ پاکستان افغانستان میں اپنی پروکسی حکومت بنا سکے؟

عمران خان کو کھل کر بولنا چاہیے کہ طالبان کا پاک سرزمین کے کسی بھی حصے پر قبضہ نامنظور ہے، اور اگر وہ یہ قبضہ قائم رکھتے ہیں تو پھر انکے خلاف وار آف ٹیرر ہماری اپنی ہے۔

طالبانی خصلت کا ذکر میں اوپر کر چکی ہوں۔ کو کچھ انہوں نے سوات میں نفاذ شریعت بل منظور ہو جانے کے بعد کیا، اور جتنے معصوم لوگ اس معاہدے کے بعد طالبان کے ہاتھوں بے قصور خون کی نظر ہو گئے، ان سب کا حساب کون دے گا؟ اس سب خون کے ذمہ دار عمران خان اور ان جیسے دوسرے لوگ ہیں جنہوں نے طالبان کو "ہمارے بھائی" کہتے ہوئے سوات کا علاقہ انکے حوالے کرنے کی مخالفت نہیں کی۔

مگر نہیں آپ کو اب ان معصوموں کا خون اب نظر نہیں آئے گا کیونکہ ان کے ذمہ داروں میں طالبان کے علاوہ عمران خان بھی اپنی بے وقوفی کی وجہ سے شامل ہے۔

سیدھی سی بات ہے، عمران خان کو اپنے مفادات سے زیادہ ملک کے مفادات کو مقدم رکھنا چاہیے۔

oh hello MEHWISH BIBI he talks at least about all issues ,LONDON MEIN BAITH KER HUWAEE FIRNG NAEE KERTA,HE CATEGORICALLY ALSO HAS DENIED THAT HE DOESN'T SUPPORTS TALIBAN,AND HE DESPISES THEM,laikin ap logoo ko tu wohi BHAGOORA ACHA LAGTA HAI,ap IK KO AHMEQ kaisay keh saktee hain,he is the only one talking about solutions,yahan puray PAKISTAN MEIN KOEE SOLUTION KEE BAAT NAEE KERTA!!

ap ko juwab dainay ka faida naee hai kyun kay ap ki mujboori hai kay AP NAY LONDON WALAY PEER KO SUPPORT KERNA HAI AND UR VERY MUCH BIASED TOWARDS PTI JAB NUETRAL DIMAGH SAY JAWAB SUNAY KAY LIYAY TYAR HOJAEE TAB AP BTAYAY GA!!
 

dagreat123

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Aur mehwish BIBI,he has been 2 SWAT RECENTLY ON THE CONDOLENCE OF HIS DEATH OF THE PTI PRESIDENT OF SWAT SHER KHAN WHO WAS KILLED,at least IK KNOW'S what is happening in pakistan ,he is the only leader visiting all parts of pakistan!!
 

LeftBrain

MPA (400+ posts)
بھائی،۔ عمران خان جب امریکہ کی بات کرتا ہے کہ اُسے علاقے سے نکل جانا چاہیے، تو یہ یقینا صحیح بات ہے۔

مگر عمران خان کیوں اکیلا امریکہ پر تنقید کرتا ہے، اور کیوں اپنے حمید گل کے تربیت یافتہ آئی ایس آئی کے جنریلوں پر تنقید نہیں کرتا کہ انکا امریکہ کی مدد سے طالبان کو ناجائز جنم دینا غلط کام تھا، کیوں نہیں کھل کر کہتا کہ عمران خان کے آج کے یار غار حمید گل جیسے لوگ غلطی پر ہیں جب انہوں نے زبردستی طالبان کو افغانستان کی معصوم عوام پر مسلط کرنا چاہا تاکہ پاکستان افغانستان میں اپنی پروکسی حکومت بنا سکے؟

عمران خان کو کھل کر بولنا چاہیے کہ طالبان کا پاک سرزمین کے کسی بھی حصے پر قبضہ نامنظور ہے، اور اگر وہ یہ قبضہ قائم رکھتے ہیں تو پھر انکے خلاف وار آف ٹیرر ہماری اپنی ہے۔

طالبانی خصلت کا ذکر میں اوپر کر چکی ہوں۔ کو کچھ انہوں نے سوات میں نفاذ شریعت بل منظور ہو جانے کے بعد کیا، اور جتنے معصوم لوگ اس معاہدے کے بعد طالبان کے ہاتھوں بے قصور خون کی نظر ہو گئے، ان سب کا حساب کون دے گا؟ اس سب خون کے ذمہ دار عمران خان اور ان جیسے دوسرے لوگ ہیں جنہوں نے طالبان کو "ہمارے بھائی" کہتے ہوئے سوات کا علاقہ انکے حوالے کرنے کی مخالفت نہیں کی۔

مگر نہیں آپ کو اب ان معصوموں کا خون اب نظر نہیں آئے گا کیونکہ ان کے ذمہ داروں میں طالبان کے علاوہ عمران خان بھی اپنی بے وقوفی کی وجہ سے شامل ہے۔

سیدھی سی بات ہے، عمران خان کو اپنے مفادات سے زیادہ ملک کے مفادات کو مقدم رکھنا چاہیے۔

You get it all wrong, as usual.
Because he is wrong in other front, it necessarily means he is wrong in every other front as well.............?
Hazrat Ali ka qol hey, yeh may dekho kon keh raha hey, yeh dekho ke kiya keh raha hey............

But I think you doesnt understand it, any ways, leave it.
 

Daniel

New Member
While I am sure that Imran Khan’s impassioned plea for a full withdrawal of Western soldiers from the Afghanistan Pakistan region is heartfelt, he is playing fast and loose with the facts. Although the rate of suicide bombings in Pakistan has increased significantly before 2004 is palpably untrue. To my knowledge, there were at least two major suicide attacks in Karachi in 2002 and another attack in Islamabad in 1995.

Furthermore, to lay the blame for these attacks on Western forces in the region is to ignore the fact that Pakistan’s security service, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), has been linked with running networks of suicide bombers in Afghanistan and providing logistical support and ideological backing for groups such as Jaish-e-Mohammed, which frequently carries out suicide attacks within Pakistan’s borders.

To say that the ISI is “not that powerful” is also far from accurate.

The ISI has been described by the Pakistani High Commissioner to Britain as a “state within a state”, dictating foreign policy and leading Pakistan to engage in nuclear brinkmanship with India.

Daniel Morgan
danieljmorgan.wordpress.com
 

GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
پاکستان کا بے وقوف ترین احمق لیڈر: عمران خان

لندن میں پناہ لئے فرنگیوں کے چھٹے پر پلنے والے لومڑ سے یہ جیسا ہے ویسا ہی اچھا
 

LeftBrain

MPA (400+ posts)
While I am sure that Imran Khans impassioned plea for a full withdrawal of Western soldiers from the Afghanistan Pakistan region is heartfelt, he is playing fast and loose with the facts. Although the rate of suicide bombings in Pakistan has increased significantly before 2004 is palpably untrue. To my knowledge, there were at least two major suicide attacks in Karachi in 2002 and another attack in Islamabad in 1995.

Furthermore, to lay the blame for these attacks on Western forces in the region is to ignore the fact that Pakistans security service, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), has been linked with running networks of suicide bombers in Afghanistan and providing logistical support and ideological backing for groups such as Jaish-e-Mohammed, which frequently carries out suicide attacks within Pakistans borders.

To say that the ISI is not that powerful is also far from accurate.

The ISI has been described by the Pakistani High Commissioner to Britain as a state within a state, dictating foreign policy and leading Pakistan to engage in nuclear brinkmanship with India.

Daniel Morgan
danieljmorgan.wordpress.com
you cant be serious, so you mentioned three attacks in Pakistan in 7 years (1 in 1995 and 2 in 2002 as you mentioned) and this is bigger number then hundreds of such attacks every year since Oil Grabbers aka USA came to this region?
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
All these Taliban group are fake created by US/Israel/India. These are being used to destroy us. At the end of the day, they are all salaried employees of the CIA. Its quiet obvious.

They are not here to eradicate 'taliban'! They are here to take away or at least neutralize our nukes and form a ring around Iran. Only an idiot would have different opinion

Cost: Destruction of Pakistan, US is in red for over a $1tril, few hundred if not thousands white soldiers have dies for no reason just cus there supreme commander wanted it that way.

Washington should pay $1mil to the survivors of each dead soldiers of all countries involved in Iraq, Afghan, and Pakistan.

If not we should bill them and few 100 billions for the property damage in Pak