Data Darbar Blast - 1st July 2010 [CCTV Footage Added]

adnan78692

MPA (400+ posts)
Brothers, There are hundreds of threads to discuss political differences. This thread has nothing to do with politics. Please leave aside differences and unite against Terrorism.



Why don't you appreciate that Hardcore PTI supporters on this forum have denied the blame on MQM regarding this incident and tried their best not to divert discussion in wrong way? Please understand the situation and have patience.

fully Agree.... this is not the actual place/thread to discuss this type of blame game.. please pray to Allah For His Mercy for Our Beloved Pakistan.. Koi to jaga ho jahan ham sab aik soch k sath ikhatay ho sakein... jiss main just humanity ho... itehaad ho... bhai chara ho... insaniat k sath mohabat ho...
 

shaheedchoudry

Minister (2k+ posts)
I agree with your comments about MQM that they are violent in Karachi but out of Karachi they have no stakes.
However, I disagree with your analysis about Qadyanis. Their leaders don't call for revenge, hence they are not culprits is a weak agrument in my opinion.
I can share some information without naming people in responsible positions in Lahore. A very large deposit of amunition was caught in Lahore four days back, media somehow got the news and intelligence agencies requested not to break this news for 24 hours only as they were onto the real culprits behind this war scale amunition. Najam Sethi program was on air when Dunya TV got this news. He completely ignored request from Intelligence and aired the news. Najam Sethi, in my opinion, is a B... who would sell his mother for right amount of money, should be picked up by ISI and MI. There is a definite Qadyani Link in these Blasts.

We can't and should not defend Barbarism of Taliban but a man with a beard and Shalwar Kameez does not automatically become Taliban. Hindus and Sikhs have same kind of beard and they start wearing Shalwar Kameez, do they become Taliban as well, this is the question to one Zehreeli Zuban Wali, suddenly very active with all her venom.
1/2 Thanks.
You tried to educate me about Qadiyanis. Arms caught in Lahore belonged to them according to you. Instead of logic you used conspiracy theory.
I have met, dealt with qadiyanis in Europe and North America. Here they are free to express their feelings and what they aspire. I have not heard a single violent word from their mouth. I have heard their leaders on youtube a lot. I would say almost all that might be available on Youtube. Now I challenge you to provide one clip where some qadiyani is talking about violance. You should be sure I am always willing to change. You should be logical and I am yours.
 

Aijazahmed

Minister (2k+ posts)
Brothers, There are hundreds of threads to discuss political differences. This thread has nothing to do with politics. Please leave aside differences and unite against Terrorism.



Why don't you appreciate that Hardcore PTI supporters on this forum have denied the blame on MQM regarding this incident and tried their best not to divert discussion in wrong way? Please understand the situation and have patience.

I appreciate everybody who condemned the blamers of MQM in this tragic incident, but I also solely condemn those who started this dirty blame game. I don't care if they are against Indians, or Ahmadis or even if they are senior by age or by experience in this forum.
We need to be united as one nation. We are Pakistanis and we are under attack. We have to fight this war by ourselves.
 

GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
1/2 Thanks.
You tried to educate me about Qadiyanis. Arms caught in Lahore belonged to them according to you. Instead of logic you used conspiracy theory.
I have met, dealt with qadiyanis in Europe and North America. Here they are free to express their feelings and what they aspire. I have not heard a single violent word from their mouth. I have heard their leaders on youtube a lot. I would say almost all that might be available on Youtube. Now I challenge you to provide one clip where some qadiyani is talking about violance. You should be sure I am always willing to change. You should be logical and I am yours.

I FULLY agree with you and I am sure I will not find any violent word uttered by their leaders, anywhere.

I did not use a theory, I wrote what I had heard from Lahore and that was from responsible officials so I could safely base my opinion on the information provided.

Living in London - hub of their movement, I happen to know a few of these with their charms and artificial smiles, but I will not bother to state any personal experience as it probably won't matter because you wish to see some clip on youtube as a proof and backing of my argument.

My Hands are Up mate, you have already done the research so I am going to bother to find a clip to prove myself. You Win.

But please do factor in recent incident of Gari Shahu Mosque, an act of barbarism no doubt but revenge is human nature.
 

tiger54

MPA (400+ posts)
its time that pakistan shuts down all the breeding cells of terrorists also called madrassas and burns down all this literature that teaches and encourages u to kill others!!!time to eradicate this country of these filthy pigs!
 

lastbullet

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Mansoora and Idara-e-Noor o Haq should be searched they are the real suporters of these kharjees, and always have links with them!!!!!
 

alihbkable

MPA (400+ posts)
Senior Columnists Slamming Terrorists

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Ammad Hafeez

Minister (2k+ posts)
Brothers, There are hundreds of threads to discuss political differences. This thread has nothing to do with politics. Please leave aside differences and unite against Terrorism.



Why don't you appreciate that Hardcore PTI supporters on this forum have denied the blame on MQM regarding this incident and tried their best not to divert discussion in wrong way? Please understand the situation and have patience.

I appreciate PTI Supporters condemnation against blame on MQM..
But, Can any one answer my question, I anxious to listen any answer.. Plz
 

Ammad Hafeez

Minister (2k+ posts)
fully Agree.... this is not the actual place/thread to discuss this type of blame game.. please pray to Allah For His Mercy for Our Beloved Pakistan.. Koi to jaga ho jahan ham sab aik soch k sath ikhatay ho sakein... jiss main just humanity ho... itehaad ho... bhai chara ho... insaniat k sath mohabat ho...

Agreed Bro.. But plz Answer my Question.. Or am i right??
 

Noor-e-Qalb

MPA (400+ posts)
Lahore Ro Raha Hai...

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Ammad Hafeez

Minister (2k+ posts)
Still shying away from condemning suicide bombings

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Supporters of Sunni Tehreek wave sticks while chanting slogans against clashes between Ahle Sunnat and Deobandi sects in Faisalabad March 1, 2010. The clashes between the two groups on February 27 left dozens of vehicles, motor bikes and buildings damaged in the city. - Photo by Reuters.

LAHORE: The Deobandi leadership in the country has for the moment refused to give a consensual nod of disapproval to suicide attacks and other acts of militancy despite efforts by some members to reconcile the school to new realities.

A meeting held here recently was part of this initiative for reconciliation. Rising above their political and factional disputes, around 150 leaders representing different Deobandi groups, seminaries and political parties from Karachi to Bajaur converged in Lahore on April 15 for a rare meeting.

Over three days they shared space at the Jamia Ashrafia, one of the oldest and influential Deobandi institutions in the city.

Many participants are known to have links with Pakistans visible and invisible establishment. They included moderates such as Mufti Rafi Usmani and hardliners such as Maulana Mohammad Ahmed Ludhianvi of the banned Sipah-i-Sahaba Pakistan.

Big names in politicis Maulana Fazalur Rehman, Hafiz Hussain Ahmed and Maulana Samiul Haq, whose Darul Aloom Haqania in Akora Khattak in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa is credited to have given birth to Afghanistans Taliban movement, were also there along with heavyweights such as Maulana Saleem Ullah Khan and Hanif Jallundhry, who manage the Deobandi seminaries and education system in the country.

The objective of this rare Deobandi gathering, according to some participants, was to deliberate on terrorism, debate its causes, discuss impact on the economy and politics and suggest solutions and work together to stem the menace.

The basic goal of this conference was to organise the movement for enforcement of Shariah through peaceful and democratic means, and discuss the reasons for terrorism in the country, Qari Hanif Jallundhry told this reporter from Multan by telephone.

The other objective was to draw public attention towards the need for defending Pakistans sovereignty and security. More parochially, the organisers of the meeting were worried that growing militancy in the tribal backwaters of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and increasing incidence of terrorism in the cities in the rest of the country are exclusively being seen as a Deobandi phenomenon and has the potential to discredit the movement among the masses suffering because of it.

After all, the tribal fighters engaged in a pitched war with the military and killing its soldiers in the north-west or suicide bombers carrying out operations elsewhere in the country are either graduates of the Deobandi seminaries or are linked with Deobandi groups and organisations.

Apprehension

Qari Hanif conceded that militancy and terrorism could harm the Deobandi movement. If terrorism can impact upon the economy and add to the troubles of common citizens of this country, how can we escape its effects, he wondered.

Others say the meeting was organised at the behest of the government (read establishment), which is desperately looking for wider support from Deobandi pockets against militants fighting the army in the tribal areas. The most important objective of those who arranged the assembly was to somehow convince the participants to issue a fatwa or religious edict censuring militants involved in terrorism and fighting the army and urging them to renounce violence at the behest of the government, a participant from Balochistan told Dawn by telephone.

He said a part of our leadership is under pressure (from the establishment?) to help evolve a wider consensus among all the Deobandi groups and organisations against the militants attacks on our soldiers and military installations as well as terrorist raids within the country. If that was what the meeting aimed to gain, it was only partially achieved.

Maulana Ludhianvi and Hafiz Hussain Ahmed are said to have turned the tables on the organisers and forced them to restrict themselves to issuing a joint communiqu that was soft on militants and harsh on government and, obviously, the United States.

Neither a fatwa triggered this war nor will it help stop one. If a fatwa could stop this war, we would have peace in our tribal areas and the rest of the country now, another participant, who also refused to give his name, said. Whatever is happening in Pakistan or Afghanistan today is a reaction to the American policies, its increasing influence and interference in Pakistan and our governments inability to understand this fact and side with the West.

The same source said a majority of the participants agreed that militancy and terrorism would continue to haunt this nation as long as the factors and causes responsible for forcing people to take up were not removed. This was exactly what the joint communiqu says. It blames the governments policy of toeing the American line on Afghanistan for growing terrorism. ..militancy and terrorism continue to haunt this country in spite of wide denunciation of such acts (suicide bombings and subversive activities) by all patriotic people as well as use of organised military force. The situation calls for a dispassionate analysis of the fundamental causes (of this situation). In our view it is the consequence of the foreign policy that Pervez Musharraf pursued (in the aftermath of 9/11) and the incumbent government continues to follow. We demand that the government separates itself from the war in Afghanistan and stops pursuing pro-American foreign policies and providing logistics support to foreign forces (for military operations in Afghanistan, the communiqu says. The opponents of an edict against militants were vociferously supported by the participants from Swat and Bajaur and other tribal areas. They are the people who are actually suffering at the hands of Americans and their allies in Pakistan. They are the people who have to bear the brunt of military action and drone attacks. How could they support pro-government edicts and decrees?, the participant from Balochistan quoted above argued. Nevertheless, the communique did urge the militant groups to pursue peaceful means to achieve their objectives of enforcement of Shariah and expulsion of Americans from the country.

The paper calls for an end to all kinds of terrorist and subversive activities (by militant organizations). If the government is following erroneous policies, it does not mean that we set our home afire. We, therefore, confidently and honestly believe that only peaceful struggle is the best strategy that can help enforcement of Islamic Shariah in Pakistan and secure it from the foreign influences.

The use of violence is contrary to Islamic teachings and detrimental to our objective of enforcement of Shariah in the country and efforts to expel Americans from this region. Rather, it is helping the United States deepen its influence in this region, it argues.

Speaking to Dawn about the objectives and outcome of the meeting, Maulana Samiul Haq said: We must avoid saying and doing anything that helps the evil forces (America in this case). And terrorism is helping the Americans.

He made a distinction between what is going on in Afghanistan and in Pakistans tribal regions. What is going in Afghanistan is essentially jihad. They (Afghan Taliban) are fighting for the freedom of their country from foreign occupation. Some of our people (Pakistani Taliban) also want to go there and help their brethrens in their war for freedom. He pointed out that certain elements who have entered the ranks of Pakistani Taliban and are killing innocent civilians and soldiers, are responsible for obliterating the distinction between jihad and terrorism. The present situation is quite worrisome for us because it can build up pressures against our seminaries. But, the Maulana said, it is wrong to expect that the use of force can stop the militants from carrying out their operations or stem terrorism from the country. The only lasting solution to the issue lies in talks. If the government is willing to talk (to the militants) on some solid, concrete points, we are ready to act as a bridge and mediate between the two parties. But before proceeding in that direction the government has to distance itself from the American policy objectives. You cannot stop suicide attacks and terrorism as long as you are seen to be standing side by side with the United States, he contended.

Another JUI leader said it is important for Pakistan to bring the militants to the negotiation table. The Americans are talking to Taliban, the Afghan regime is talking to Taliban. Why cant our rulers? He was perturbed that Washington ignored Islamabad as it began peace talks with the Afghan Taliban in spite of the fact that we are the ones providing it logistics support and cheap oil for its operations there. The communique too urged the government to realise that the lasting solutions to internal insurgencies lay in peace talks. It, therefore, should review its foreign policy in the light of recommendations of the in-camera session of the parliament and effect necessary shift in its policies. A participant conceded that the moderate Deobandi leadership is worried about its loss of influence and control over younger graduates from the seminaries. This loss of influence on younger generations is pushing them towards militancy. The communique particularly addressed the younger students of Deobandi seminaries and advised them to follow the opinion and views of ulema to stay on the right path.
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Spartacus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Why is Lahour weeping now.....Musharraf was against those sucide bombers and he was stoping and killing those bomber but most of the Lahoure voted against MUSHARRAF on 18 Feb. 2008 .
Do you know how many sucide bombers got success in MUSHARRAF time.....How many sucide bombing in his time in LAHOURE and how many sucide bombing after Musharraf ???
You people decided to vote against MUSHARRAF and you supported BOMBERS SUPPORTERS....
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
ہارون صاحب، بحیثیت قوم ہم ریوڑ ہی ہیں، کبھی گاجر کبھی ڈنڈا دیکھا کر رخ ہی موڑنا ہوتا ہے، تیس سال پہلے گاجر اور آج ڈنڈے کے زور پر ہانکے جا رہے ہیں.

جہاں تک برہمن اور ملحد سوچ کا سوال ہے سیکولرازم اور مغربی جمہوریت کی اندھا دھند پروی ہی الحاد اور برہمنیت ہے
 

adnan78692

MPA (400+ posts)
Oh My God.. Haron Rashed k column main reference hai k

" Akhbaar Navees Usman Gani k mutabiq Thursday Night 10:30pm CM Punjab Shahbaz Sharif ne un say ye kaha k Rehman Malik ne Wafaqi idaron ko Dehshat gardi se mutalak malomaat Punjab Hukumat ko Punhchane say rook dia hai "


wah Rehman Malik Wah... Gareebon ki jano se ziada tumhain apni siasat pyari hai... apni parti piari hai... Gareebon Maskeeno Begunahon ki jaano ko tum Apni Siasat Chamkane kl lie use kar rahe ho..??? Lanat ho tum pe... Hazaar bar lanat ho...
what a stupid non-sense cheap person... zameer ****** berehm darendon se ziada saffaq hain ye loog...
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Why is Lahour weeping now.....Musharraf was against those sucide bombers and he was stoping and killing those bomber but most of the Lahoure voted against MUSHARRAF on 18 Feb. 2008 .
Do you know how many sucide bombers got success in MUSHARRAF time.....How many sucide bombing in his time in LAHOURE and how many sucide bombing after Musharraf ???
You people decided to vote against MUSHARRAF and you supported BOMBERS SUPPORTERS....

Not only Lahore whole country is weeping, suicide bombing are result of Musharaf's pro American policies.
 

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