China Pakistan Relationship! your views

[@@O.P]

The Chadd's are good only at attacking the helpless and defenseless public. When it comes to real world stand-off they turn their lower back to the opponent and get big time drilled.

the problem is the image right wing extremist leader carry, modi will have to respond to save his image thus his votes, he can't go against China but Nepal and Pakistan are open!

 

[Wadaich]

agreed, Pakistan as long as India stays with the U.S and not China. Pakistanis do need to know that Pakistan has to stand its own feet and not rely on other superpowers, this is my reason to make this thread,

Please remember Pakistan is not a parasite. Since its creation it has been target. It is miracle that it survived every odd ......... many times its end was predicted. But now it can handle the things on its on strength. In regional set up one have to take sides. So is being done by Pak. Be confident.

 

[Dr Adam]

Pakistan took a few advantages of the relationship with the U.S, what has Pakistan learned for it and is applying those lessons with the relationship with China?

True.
But please keep this in mind that the US was 10,000 miles away from Pakistan, however China is our next door neighbor with whom we share a common border. Relationship among countries with common borders and with whom you do not have any territorial dispute is entirely different ball game. They share common interests, as we do with China. US-Canada relationship can be cited as a good example
On the other hand, neighbors who have territorial disputes and are always at logger heads among them the whole relationship gambit is a different ball game. Case in point.. Pakistan India relationship.
Additionally, there is no one shoe that fits all when it comes to relationships among the nations.
It is my considered opinion that Pakistan China relationship is entirely different scenario as compared with Pakistan US relationship, there is no comparison between the two. Pakistan will gain more keeping good relations with China as the two nations share similar interests... both economical and in the area of defense.
Among India China, they may have good economic relations but never ever in the defense field as they jealously guard their own interests and are rivals.

 

[@@O.P]

Please remember Pakistan is not a parasite. Since its creation it has been target. It is miracle that it survived every odd ......... many times its end was predicted. But now it can handle the things on its on strength. In regional set up one have to take sides. So is being done by Pak. Be confident.

I'm confident in the power that saved Pakistan from a few enemies outside and from many enemies from within (its not GHQ). Just putting options on table for what could happen.

 

[Wadaich]

the problem is the image right wing extremist leader carry, modi will have to respond to save his image thus his votes, he can't go against China but Nepal and Pakistan are open!

Nepal has given China access to "chicken's neck" and challanging Chaddi's....... seven sisters are in the lap of dragon.

Gone are days........Pakistan is now open to rip the Chaddi's apart if some space is left after China's adventure.

 

[Wadaich]

I'm confident in the power that saved Pakistan from a few enemies outside and from many enemies from within (its not GHQ). Just putting options on table for what could happen.

Hope for the best In Sha Allah!

 

[@@O.P]

True.
But please keep this in mind that the US was 10,000 miles away from Pakistan, however China is our next door neighbor with whom we share a common border. Relationship among countries with common borders and with whom you do not have any territorial dispute is entirely different ball game. They share common interests, as we do with China. US-Canada relationship can be cited as a good example
On the other hand, neighbors who have territorial disputes and are always at logger heads among them the whole relationship gambit is a different ball game. Case in point.. Pakistan India relationship.
Additionally, there is no one shoe that fits all when it comes to relationships among the nations.
It is my considered opinion that Pakistan China relationship is entirely different scenario as compared with Pakistan US relationship, there is no comparison between the two. Pakistan will gain more keeping good relations with China as the two nations share similar interests... both economical and in the area of defense.
Among India China, they may have good economic relations but never ever in the defense field as they jealously guard their own interests and are rivals.

Wonderfully said especially the point with border, My comparison had a major flaw which was the geography location among few other but my whole reason to mention U.S and China was to show that Pakistan needs to stop relying on others and think of a way to stand on their own feet this will take time but the attitude many Pakistanis have is " we have china we will be fine".

 

[@@O.P]

Nepal has given China access to "chicken's neck" and challanging Chaddi's....... seven sisters are in the lap of dragon.

Gone are days........Pakistan is now open to rip the Chaddi's apart if some space is left after China's adventure.

never underestimate a pagal "dog", if you look at the India media and Modi Supporters they believe they are superior and in past, they have acted upon that notion and almost brought the countries to war. Imagine if half the Tv is hosted and guest is Zaid Hamid in Pakistan, half the population will think Pakistanis are a superman and they can defeat India overnight, you tell a lie so many times then you start to believe it and theirs nothing dangerous than a fool who believes he's the strongest!


Enjoy the humilation of Modi but also stay on your toes!

 

[Wadaich]

never underestimate a pagal "dog", if you look at the India media and Modi Supporters they believe they are superior and in past, they have acted upon that notion and almost brought the countries to war. Imagine if half the Tv is hosted and guest is Zaid Hamid in Pakistan, half the population will think Pakistanis are a superman and they can defeat India overnight, you tell a lie so many times then you start to believe it and theirs nothing dangerous than a fool who believes he's the strongest!
Enjoy the humilation of Modi but also stay on your toes!

Being superman on media is something else. ........ and facing in the is totally a different.

 

[IMIKasbati]

Important country like pakistan can't survive in the Jungle (world) without making relations. The type of the relation depends on how independent we are. The weaker you are the more dependent you would be.

Until we get independent, I mean powerful enough, china seems the best choice for reasons already mentioned.

If the current honest leadership remains for a decade or so, we should expect that we will progress to a level where our dependence on others will gradually decrease.

As of now the only positive thing for Pakistan is that we have most sincere civil military leadership and hence we need not worry much on the international front.

Our biggest obstacles are our internal institutes which are corrupt to the core and hence are the biggest obstacles in our progress.

 

[Respect]

In Shaa Allah, I believe there's nothing wrong with asking a question and looking at things from different angles. Most of articles and magazines published by think tanks all over the world do just that. so let me ask you your opinion on, Pakistan took a few advantages of the relationship with the U.S, what has Pakistan learned from it and is applying those lessons with the relationship with China?

Pakistan was boot polishing US and what came out of it was humiliation, debt and loss of lives.
With China PK has an alliance for decades as long as we keep China in good books they shut be OK with us. We can only pray too Allah swt that he protects us all if China decides too turn against PK then that will not be a good situation for PK, just look at what is happening to India right now.

The difference between US and China relationship is do more with China they do not interfere much in internal matters of PK.

 

[Masud Javed]

both of us can only benefit from each other

 

[@@O.P]

Important country like pakistan can't survive in the Jungle (world) without making relations. The type of the relation depends on how independent we are. The weaker you are the more dependent you would be.

Until we get independent, I mean powerful enough, china seems the best choice for reasons already mentioned.

If the current honest leadership remains for a decade or so, we should expect that we will progress to a level where our dependence on others will gradually decrease.

As of now the only positive thing for Pakistan is that we have most sincere civil military leadership and hence we need not worry much on the international front.

Our biggest obstacles are our internal institutes which are corrupt to the core and hence are the biggest obstacles in our progress.

could not agree more with your opinion!

 

[@@O.P]

Pakistan was boot polishing US and what came out of it was humiliation, debt and loss of lives.
With China PK has an alliance for decades as long as we keep China in good books they shut be OK with us. We can only pray too Allah swt that he protects us all if China decides too turn against PK then that will not be a good situation for PK, just look at what is happening to India right now.

The difference between US and China relationship is do more with China they do not interfere much in internal matters of PK.

what to say Pakistan don't start boot polishing China in future? Pakistan owns lots of loan to them and Cpec will be carrying majority Chinese goods!

 

[Respect]

what to say Pakistan don't start boot polishing China in future? Pakistan owns lots of loan to them and Cpec will be carrying majority Chinese goods!

possible that's why PK has to work towards a loan free Pakistan inshallah.

 

[Dream Seller]

what is your opinion on this, please give me more than one-liner ;)
Pakistan took a few advantages of the relationship with the U.S, what has Pakistan learned for it and is applying those lessons with the relationship with China?

I think US has taken more advantages than Pakistan. US has tried in the past to create hurdles between pak China relationships but it’s just not possible for both countries to give up on each other. Remember the strategic locations when we talk about the relationship of both countries. Blessing in disguise is that they’ve a common enemy who makes their relationship stronger.

 

[Mughal1]

Pakistan and china are fine for the time being and hopefully india will also join them in not too distant future. What pakistan needs to plan for is its near future. This means pakistan needs to work on the rationalisation of the actual message in the quran. This is the best way to unite people. So long as pakistan refuses to rationalise actual message in the quran it will remain in turmoil and no one can help it come out of that turmoil.

Pakistan was not created for namaaz roza but for showing humanity how to live the best possible way in this kingdom of God called the universe. China and india will join pakistan as well as other countries if muslims of pakistan sorted out themselves as true followers of the quran with its proper understanding. For a detailed explanation of things about the quran, deen of islam and pakistan see HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE.

 

[Imranpak]

There are no friends in politics.The relationship is "you scratch my back and i'll scratch yours". The relationship is based on shared interests otherwise we have nothing in common with them. Our culture and religion are totally different to there's so this "bhai bhai" nonsense does not fool me. Pakistanis and Chinese people don't ever socialise together. It's a dog eat dog world now. When Muslim countries don't support us on Kashmir then why would China unless they gain something. They need us for CPEC and we want them to batter India.

 

[@@O.P]

@MODS, I have contacted the admins via posts and "contact us" feature asking why my rights to post are removed and how to get them backed? no one replied its been quite some time now, but no one replied, some mods with some power and they use it and abuse it as they want?
P.S this thread was made by me