Burkas not welcome in France: Sarkozy

[Saladin A]

Sarkozy is a womanizer, sinner, lecherous, sharabi, zani, kebabi and a devious man. He does not know anything about Islam and would be happy to see French women go naked with least clothes on them, make sex on every street, on every roads, on every corner, on every beach, in every public park, in every public place rather than see a Muslim woman dressed up modestly, covering her flesh and looking decent.

If a Muslim woman wished to dress up decently wearing hijab, head scarf and loose clothes instead of wearing anything or showing their naked body: why should the French object? The fact of the matter is that in the West women do not wish wear anything and even wearing a bikini is too much for them but they do not like to see Muslim women dressed up in modesty and decently.

 

[mirchi]

mirchi bhai,

It means that you don't accept her rights? Right?
You should accept her with all her rights. Why to be separated?

I do accept her rights...that's why i am not saying that i will kill her...
I have some rights too, and i am exercising them...i have a right to decide whether i want to be in such a relationship...

When you say that you have some rights as well, then why you and SARKOZY and like minded are not accepting that a Muslim father, mother and brother have rights as well? These rights are given by our Lord and nobody can challenge that.

For you it may be ok if your daugher or wife has illicite relations with anybody but for us it counts a lot. If I don't bother then there is no difference between me and an animal.

 

[contra]

mirchi bhai,

When you say that you have some rights as well, then why you and SARKOZY and like minded are not accepting that a Muslim father, mother and brother have rights as well? These rights are given by our Lord and nobody can challenge that.

Friend, if you are saying that father, mother and brother have a right to "veto" the decision of an adult female, then i disagree with you.
Anyway, i respect your beliefs and you are entitled to them.

 

[taul]

What contra is exercising and trying to fool himself is "Hypocrisy" at it's best not "Freedom"..Ofcourse you would opt out of a thing if you dislike it just as contra mentioned he'd be out of the relationship because it wouldn't sit well with his thinking so indirectly he disapproves of such an immoral and bestial act of hers,had he liked it he wouldn't desert her.simple Psychology!!

 

[mirchi]

mirchi bhai,

When you say that you have some rights as well, then why you and SARKOZY and like minded are not accepting that a Muslim father, mother and brother have rights as well? These rights are given by our Lord and nobody can challenge that.

Friend, if you are saying that father, mother and brother have a right to "veto" the decision of an adult female, then i disagree with you.
Anyway, i respect your beliefs and you are entitled to them.

I am sorry that I have to talk some nonsense as well, although I would not have talked that nonsense.

So if your wife want to sleep with some one else, in your presence, then you should not object because she has a right to do so. Because you cannot or should not veto that. Am I right?

 

[contra]

mirchi bhai,
Consider the following situations:

Situation 1: Mirchi finds his wife in bed with another man...Mirchi kills her.

Situation 2: Contra finds his wife in bed with another man...Contra doesn't kill her, instead he divorces her.

 

[sagaciouscorpion]

@contra...

Sorry to intervene... just to add a bit to your knowledge....

Mirchi is not allowed to do so by the religion...... May be some Tom, Dick and Harry kill their wife too... its just a matter of human jealousy...

so applying your logic.. for saving polygamous wives from being killed... we should make it obligatory for all wives to become polyandrous and adultrous... like sarkozi's??? so that nobody gets killed??

Interesting...

 

[taul]

:D :D :D :D :D :D 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

good one scorpion but then again we're dealing with a Hypocrite.

 

[foqia khan]

@ mirchi

I also disagree on veto power of parents n other relatives with u ....it can be a part of culture or cultural law but not the part of religion islam .there is no ayat in Quran which allow parents or relatives to take the law in their hands by taking life of a girl.....so plz don't mix up things.

@ contra

u wrote that women who want to wear burqa should think about their sisters who don't want to wear burqa n r facing death at the hands of their father or brother.
let me give u an example that if a police man stops a person ...who did overspeeding n instead of giving him a ticket or warning ,he kill the overspeeding person ....so do u expect that judge should order that from now on everyone will walk ,instead of driving b-coz some policemen don't know their limits of punishing n of their authority....or this is right that judge should punish the policeman who crossed his limits by punishing the overspeeding guy more than his crime.
definitely u will choose the second judgement....
so same judgement will be given here for the father or on other relatives who cross their limits under the eye of islamic religion n under the country's law ....so that they become example for others who try to take law in their hands.
parents have every right morally , religiously n under the law to raise their kids freely according to whatever they feel is good for their kids but to force them unreasonibly n inhumanly is not allowed any where in the teaching of Islam too....
u gave the example of the father who killed her 14 to 15 yrs old daughter in mississsuga,canada...but u don't know that how much this behaviour of the father was condemned in every mosque of ontario.
if still u thing that sarkozy is right...then this will be the justice of other extremist group ,
which has same nothing to do with civilization or religion like the one who is using Islam name.

 

[sagaciouscorpion]

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Good example sis...

 

[Wolverine25]

@ mirchi

I also disagree on veto power of parents n other relatives with u ....it can be a part of culture or cultural law but not the part of religion islam .there is no ayat in Quran which allow parents or relatives to take the law in their hands by taking life of a girl.....so plz don't mix up things.

@ contra

u wrote that women who want to wear burqa should think about their sisters who don't want to wear burqa n r facing death at the hands of their father or brother.
let me give u an example that if a police man stops a person ...who did overspeeding n instead of giving him a ticket or warning ,he kill the overspeeding person ....so do u expect that judge should order that from now on everyone will walk ,instead of driving b-coz some policemen don't know their limits of punishing n of their authority....or this is right that judge should punish the policeman who crossed his limits by punishing the overspeeding guy more than his crime.
definitely u will choose the second judgement....
so same judgement will be given here for the father or on other relatives who cross their limits under the eye of islamic religion n under the country's law ....so that they become example for others who try to take law in their hands.
parents have every right morally , religiously n under the law to raise their kids freely according to whatever they feel is good for their kids but to force them unreasonibly n inhumanly is not allowed any where in the teaching of Islam too....
u gave the example of the father who killed her 14 to 15 yrs old daughter in mississsuga,canada...but u don't know that how much this behaviour of the father was condemned in every mosque of ontario.
if still u thing that sarkozy is right...then this will be the justice of other extremist group ,
which has same nothing to do with civilization or religion like the one who is using Islam name.

You're right and yeah most people would pick choice #2

 

[contra]

sagaciouscorpion bhai,

so applying your logic.. for saving polygamous wives from being killed... we should make it obligatory for all wives to become polyandrous and adulterous... like sarkozi's??? so that nobody gets killed??

1. How did you reach the conclusion that I am calling for all wives to become polyandrous and adulterous?

2. If an adult woman wants a lifestyle like that, then her decision is personal and her right. Why should anybody kill her? Divorce her instead.

3. I am calling for respect for an adults choice. For you to say that unless there is a death penalty, every woman will become adulterous, this view is chauvinistic, biased and degrading.

 

[contra]

foqia bhai,

let me give u an example that if a police man stops a person ...who did overspeeding n instead of giving him a ticket or warning ,he kill the overspeeding person ....so do u expect that judge should order that from now on everyone will walk ,instead of driving b-coz some policemen don't know their limits of punishing n of their authority....or this is right that judge should punish the policeman who crossed his limits by punishing the overspeeding guy more than his crime.
definitely u will choose the second judgement....

1. Here you are using the example of a policeman, police is a symbol of authority and government. In this discussion it would be appropriate to say that the father, brother, mother or any relative of the speeding driver kills him(the driver).

2. The relative should be punished, no doubt.
In countries like Saudi Arabia women are not allowed to drive( yes, i know Saudi Arabia is not an example of an Islamic State). So,
Lets say for example a woman wants to drive, but her father kills her. So, should the government issue a ban on all female drivers???
NO...government of a democratic welfare state should bring a law which states that women should in no way be restrained from driving. Also, it should encourage women to learn how to drive. So that their dependence on other people is reduced.
Being able to drive a Car is Freedom...

3. Your above example is flawed in the sense that we are talking about freedom of women from suppression from their family. Comparing Burqa clad women with freedom to drive...hmmmm..........

 

[sagaciouscorpion]

sagaciouscorpion bhai,

so applying your logic.. for saving polygamous wives from being killed... we should make it obligatory for all wives to become polyandrous and adulterous... like sarkozi's??? so that nobody gets killed??

1. How did you reach the conclusion that I am calling for all wives to become polyandrous and adulterous?

2. If an adult woman wants a lifestyle like that, then her decision is personal and her right. Why should anybody kill her? Divorce her instead.

3. I am calling for respect for an adults choice. For you to say that unless there is a death penalty, every woman will become adulterous, this view is chauvinistic, biased and degrading.

The Conclusion: It is your Burqa logic... simple analogy.. for protection of (may be 5-10% of burqa wearing girls)who are forced to wear Burqa.. you suggest to impose a ban on Burqa.. so to protect women like Sarkozi's wife.. people like you will suggest lets make a law for every women that she has to be polygamous... so that Mrs. Sarkozi doesnt look bad..

An adult women can stay nude in her house.. but she has no right to do this in public and keeps announcing it in public... because there are those who feel it indecent.. if I dont like it.. and you do it infront of me... that s stripping me off my basic right... same burqa logic!!!

You have the same biased views of sarkozi... so to balance the equation .... I have to add some bias on the other side..(I dont personally agree to those who say Burqa is compulsory and I believe opening the face is optional)

Contra =Sagacious
Bias+Logic= Logic

Seems unbalance

Contra =Sagacious
Bias+Logic= Logic+ A bit of bias...

Seems more appropriate... :P

 

[taul]

See all how ill-informed contra is??he's confused in his head trying to mix up some bad deeds with Islam,well he's confused,in-denial,frustrated and taking his frustration out on a complete Wrong and Unrelated thing are his symptoms and in Psychology again it's a defence mechanism called "Displacement".guy needs a shrink Period!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

i see another symptom of Obsession with "Killing" so will need some more time to get things sorted out in his head hmm interesting case... :roll:

We all made it clear but guy is still in a Huge Denial!!!!

@ scorpion

Very well put :ugeek: :ugeek: :ugeek: but guy needs help my chumps!!

 

[contra]

I think President Sarkozy is doing the right thing.
His bold decision will help many women.
I salute him.

 

[taul]

No Place for Hypocrites and Hate Mongers in a Free Society.Contra would be damned in the biggest and Largest Free society of all USA. :lol: :lol: 8-)

 

[contra]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlkxlzTZc48[/video]

 

[taul]

---Too bad he's your big bro :oops: ..that's all :lol: :lol: ..No wonder ,why jerks and retards like him aren't heard :P :lol:

 

[niazi]

baqa bhai,
You are comparing nuns and other women going to holy places with muslim women wearing veil????
Going to buy groceries wearing a veil.....

Contra, God is not restricted to churches and holy places,it is the beauty of islam that we feel and pay due respect to our creator in public or privacy,God is every where all the time you just have to feel him inside you.