Alhamdolillah! No Sind Card In Presence Of MQM

[Star Gazer]

Jury is supposed to be a collective body os people for making democratic decisions but we have a one man Jury.

 

[bhitai]

I would like to know from the writer of this thread as to what is percieved to be a Sind Card? Because when some one says card it sounds some special tecnique of getting what you want other than straightforward.

Sindh card is kinda the same as 'Baluchistan card'

..and Pashtunistan card.

Some cards have been played in the past, some are being played currently, and some have been kept for future.

Sindh card can be played when the need arrives, it exists because Pakistan as a nation has NEVER delivered on the promises of a federation as envisioned on 23rd March, 1940!

 

[PakPatriot1]

Very valid and basic question Gazoomartian.
I would like to know from the writer of this thread as to what is percieved to be a Sind Card? Because when some one says card it sounds some special tecnique of getting what you want other than straightforward.

@Sobia and Mr. Gazoomartin:
I know you will never agree with me because you have a mind set against MQM, and that mind set does not allow you to think beyond your self imposed imaginations.

Anyways, for the sake of the other young audience I want to clearify what is Sindh Card is.

This is historical reality that PPP has always been doing it's politics in enterior Sindh on the basis of Sindhi Nationalism. This is not new, it has beeen prevailing from Z.A. Bhutto to now Zardari and Zulfiqar Mirza.
When in 1977, with the help of American aid, a massive movement was launched against Bhutto and PPP the whole Pakistan was involved in that movement except enterior sindh.
And then Bhutto's govt. was ousted by Zia regime and every party on that time distributed "Mithai" in all over Pakistan including Karachi and Hyderabd. Those days these two cities were politically controlled by Jamat -e - Islami and Norrani Mian parties, there was no MQM there.

Down the road Bhutto was hung on the gallows and again Mithai was distributed in all over the Pakistan.

That was the time when Murataza and Shanawaz Bhutto {with the obvious permission of Banazir and Nusrat Bhutto), formed a terrorist organization and named it Alzulfiqar. The members of that Alzulfiqar hijacked a PIA airliner and after killing some passengers, as a ransom, they got released many PPP workers from the jail. Thsy killed many political leaders and rivals of Bhuttos including Ch. Zahoor Illahi in Punjab and Zahoor ul Hasan Bhopali in karachi.

MRD movement against Zia regime was launched and soon it became very popular in enterior sindh because a common Sindhi rightly thought Bhutto was murderd by Zia and Pakistani establishment

Now when the MRD movement getting strength, Sindhi Waderas came into action and started their dirty game to inject the poisonous thoughts against Pakistan, Punjabis and Muhajirs into the minds of common innocent Sindhis.
This technique worked and MRD movement turned to a seperatist movement in enterior sindh. G A Sindh was in full swing on those days in E. Sindh.

That is the Sindh Card means you give us everything otherwise we will break Pakistan.

They could succeeded in their planning but Zia was very smart, he realised the situation and immediately started to take actions to check the out of control situation in Sindh.

Zia knew that in Urban Sindh within Muhajir community there is no roots of Sindh Card, so he might be I am not sure though, formed or just supported MQM and Altaf Hussain. But the overwhelming response MQM and Altaf Hussain got from the people, was not in the imagination of anyone. MQM became popular within no time. It was a sudden change and kind of revolution in Pak politics especially in sindh. May be Zia forme MQM but who became it popular? only people. This is another fact that many MQM haters can not digest easily.

Since then MQM has been acting as the Great Wall of China against Sindhi seperatists, Muhajirs are being victimised from these seperatists time by time.

If only Karachi support them and MQM and Altaf Hussain shake hands with these elements in Sindh, then no one can control the possible anarchy in Sindh, and the end result could be anything- might be break up of Pakistan. But your Traitor Altaf Hussain and his workers, supporters and voters are the main front liners against all of these theories of Sindh Card etc etc.
I don't want you to believe, (because it will be against your mind set) but this is the fact, until MQM exist in Sindh, no one can seperate Sindh from Pakistan.

PERIOD.

 

[itsnotme90]

I appreciate Pakpatriot response on this post but what i hav notice on this forum for example members like sobia403 if you explain them 1 then 2 then 3 , 4 , 5, 6,7,8, 9 steps and after 9 you hav to start from zero again to explain them coz they have zero general knowledge and they will deny any thing without any information and after some time same person will come along with new name and new id & they will ask you same questions repeatedly again & again like kids so i will request those people who just jump into any conclusion that plz increase your knowledge and dont make your point of view just a kitchen window.

 

[such]

PakPatriot1 and itsnotme90 may ALLAH help u guys bcoz all yr efforts r useless n waste of time to make these people understand, or I shud say "Bhains kay agay been bajana" I am also uploading sum pictures here to make these people understand easily bcoz they even don't understand wat ever u write

 

[PakPatriot1]

I appreciate Pakpatriot response on this post but what i hav notice on this forum for example members like sobia403 if you explain them 1 then 2 then 3 , 4 , 5, 6,7,8, 9 steps and after 9 you hav to start from zero again to explain them coz they have zero general knowledge and they will deny any thing without any information and after some time same person will come along with new name and new id & they will ask you same questions repeatedly again & again like kids so i will request those people who just jump into any conclusion that plz increase your knowledge and dont make your point of view just a kitchen window.

Thanks bro.
My intention always be to address to everyone not people like you mentioned (although I give response to them). I know many youngsters in this forum don't know the facts about Pakistan's political history and their minds are being maligned by these people.

These people are on the internet just to spread hatered. Nothing constructive service for Pakistan can be expected from them.

But I always feel responsible to clearify the facts, no matter who thinks what about me, my party, my leader and my community.

 

[Star Gazer]

Thankyou for your kind words and simili, although according to my training and upbringing this is considered inappropriate, your case may be different. But if you are using it as a ploy to push your critiques away it will not work with me although you try your best to derrogate any one who questions your mighty opinions because you people are the heirs to all wisdom handed down from the top brass and that ofcourse now has to be imported from a more developed country,so you have to accept it!!

You have gone to a great length to explain the history of MQM I know that and that was not my question. So what you are saying is that sindh card is used to threaten the federation of Pakistan by sindhi seperatists? and that would be PPP? correct me if I am wrong??
For your information I have only one party: PAKISTAN.
No political affiliations, but always get suspicious when simple questions rattle the people.

 

[gazoomartian]

Very valid and basic question Gazoomartian.
I would like to know from the writer of this thread as to what is percieved to be a Sind Card? Because when some one says card it sounds some special tecnique of getting what you want other than straightforward.

Actually I thought it was some sorta welfare or food stamps card like the Lonestar card in Texas... I am soooooo embarassed [anger]

 

[gazoomartian]

Very valid and basic question Gazoomartian.
I would like to know from the writer of this thread as to what is percieved to be a Sind Card? Because when some one says card it sounds some special tecnique of getting what you want other than straightforward.

@Sobia and Mr. Gazoomartin:
I know you will never agree with me because you have a mind set against MQM, and that mind set does not allow you to think beyond your self imposed imaginations.

Why would I not believe you if you present your point with full conviction? In this case you have done so. In terms of polictics, all imaginations are self imposed....I am not against the MQM just for fun. I used to MQM lover. I was in Karachi in 1986 when first HUGE jalsa happen. But only recently, I viewed the video in which he said: Pakistan was the biggest blunder, if mahajirs come back, please forgive them. He said all this in fornt of enemy audience. It would not be bad if he says in any country, but sepcially in India, which is our sworn enemy, proven in 1971. I have lived thru the days of Sheikh Mujeeb, I KNOW WHAT A GHADDAR is. I moved from East Pakistan in June 1972, 7 months afer humiliating defeat of Pakistan. So please dont tell me how to define Ghaddar.

Anyways, for the sake of the other young audience I want to clearify what is Sindh Card is. I dont know how old sister sobia is, I know I aint no spring chicken no more. :D

This is historical reality that PPP has always been doing it's politics in enterior Sindh on the basis of Sindhi Nationalism. This is not new, it has beeen prevailing from Z.A. Bhutto to now Zardari and Zulfiqar Mirza.
When in 1977, with the help of American aid, a massive movement was launched against Bhutto and PPP the whole Pakistan was involved in that movement except enterior sindh.
And then Bhutto's govt. was ousted by Zia regime and every party on that time distributed "Mithai" in all over Pakistan including Karachi and Hyderabd. Those days these two cities were politically controlled by Jamat -e - Islami and Norrani Mian parties, there was no MQM there.

YES, Shaheed ZAB was a victim of conspiracy but unfortunately he had big mouth (dont no body be offended) to announce: Why cant we have Islamic bomb? So when I heard Altaf's blunder, naturaly my mind thinks he is a ghaddar.

Down the road Bhutto was hung on the gallows and again Mithai was distributed in all over the Pakistan. Mithai distribution was not the right thing to do but people do have right to express their happyness, anger, satisfaction etc, right or wrong

That was the time when Murataza and Shanawaz Bhutto {with the obvious permission of Banazir and Nusrat Bhutto), formed a terrorist organization and named it Alzulfiqar. The members of that Alzulfiqar hijacked a PIA airliner and after killing some passengers, as a ransom, they got released many PPP workers from the jail. Thsy killed many political leaders and rivals of Bhuttos including Ch. Zahoor Illahi in Punjab and Zahoor ul Hasan Bhopali in karachi.
So Murtaza and Shanawaz did commit murders for revenge. I did not know, thanks for informing me
MRD movement against Zia regime was launched and soon it became very popular in enterior sindh because a common Sindhi rightly thought Bhutto was murderd by Zia and Pakistani establishment

Now when the MRD movement getting strength, Sindhi Waderas came into action and started their dirty game to inject the poisonous thoughts against Pakistan, Punjabis and Muhajirs into the minds of common innocent Sindhis.
This technique worked and MRD movement turned to a seperatist movement in enterior sindh. G A Sindh was in full swing on those days in E. Sindh. Well i hope it doesnt happen and things get better, Ameen

That is the Sindh Card means you give us everything otherwise we will break Pakistan.

They could succeeded in their planning but Zia was very smart, he realised the situation and immediately started to take actions to check the out of control situation in Sindh.

Zia knew that in Urban Sindh within Muhajir community there is no roots of Sindh Card, so he might be I am not sure though, formed or just supported MQM and Altaf Hussain. But the overwhelming response MQM and Altaf Hussain got from the people, was not in the imagination of anyone. MQM became popular within no time. It was a sudden change and kind of revolution in Pak politics especially in sindh. May be Zia forme MQM but who became it popular? only people. This is another fact that many MQM haters can not digest easily.

Since then MQM has been acting as the Great Wall of China against Sindhi seperatists, Muhajirs are being victimised from these seperatists time by time.

If only Karachi support them and MQM and Altaf Hussain shake hands with these elements in Sindh, then no one can control the possible anarchy in Sindh, and the end result could be anything- might be break up of Pakistan. But your Traitor Altaf Hussain and his workers, supporters and voters are the main front liners against all of these theories of Sindh Card etc etc.

he is not MY traitor, he is Pak's traitor, just for the record. By the way, I am NOT a MQM hater, I am hater of their policies and actions
I don't want you to believe, (because it will be against your mind set) but this is the fact, until MQM exist in Sindh, no one can seperate Sindh from Pakistan.

Big difference between East Pak and Sind. Sind is jeographically attached to Pak, East Pak wasnt

PERIOD.

Thanks for defining the Sind card

GazooMartian

 

[itsnotme90]

Sobia403 i know you hav army background thats why you hav no affiliation from any party coz army dont take part in any election just jump into prime minister house and take over the country and start making laws in favour of army and for their children and take advantages from the govt of pakistan on the tax of pakistani people but the difference between you and me is that i hav no affiliation from any party as well but i work hard for what i achieve in my life as other pakistani people do and you only claiming benefits from govt of pakistan and doing kitchen politics so answer the question dont do hanky panky.

 

[gazoomartian]

PakPatriot1 and itsnotme90 may ALLAH help u guys bcoz all yr efforts r useless n waste of time to make these people understand, or I shud say "Bhains kay agay been bajana" I am also uploading sum pictures here to make these people understand easily bcoz they even don't understand wat ever u write

Merey bhais ko danda keon mara++++
Woh khet mein chara charti thi [hilar]

 

[gazoomartian]

I appreciate Pakpatriot response on this post but what i hav notice on this forum for example members like sobia403 if you explain them 1 then 2 then 3 , 4 , 5, 6,7,8, 9 steps and after 9 you hav to start from zero again to explain them coz they have zero general knowledge and they will deny any thing without any information and after some time same person will come along with new name and new id & they will ask you same questions repeatedly again & again like kids so i will request those people who just jump into any conclusion that plz increase your knowledge and dont make your point of view just a kitchen window.

well well well if you think I am dummy, then please take notice that YOU ARE RIGHT [funnny]

 

[gazoomartian]

I appreciate Pakpatriot response on this post but what i hav notice on this forum for example members like sobia403 if you explain them 1 then 2 then 3 , 4 , 5, 6,7,8, 9 steps and after 9 you hav to start from zero again to explain them coz they have zero general knowledge and they will deny any thing without any information and after some time same person will come along with new name and new id & they will ask you same questions repeatedly again & again like kids so i will request those people who just jump into any conclusion that plz increase your knowledge and dont make your point of view just a kitchen window.

Thanks bro.
My intention always be to address to everyone not people like you mentioned (although I give response to them). I know many youngsters in this forum don't know the facts about Pakistan's political history and their minds are being maligned by these people.

These people are on the internet just to spread hatered. Nothing constructive service for Pakistan can be expected from them.

But I always feel responsible to clearify the facts, no matter who thinks what about me, my party, my leader and my community.

pakpatriot, such, and itsnotme, may I ask your gender and ages please?

 

[PakPatriot1]

Thankyou for your kind words and simili, although according to my training and upbringing this is considered inappropriate, your case may be different. But if you are using it as a ploy to push your critiques away it will not work with me although you try your best to derrogate any one who questions your mighty opinions because you people are the heirs to all wisdom handed down from the top brass and that ofcourse now has to be imported from a more developed country,so you have to accept it!!

You have gone to a great length to explain the history of MQM I know that and that was not my question. So what you are saying is that sindh card is used to threaten the federation of Pakistan by sindhi seperatists? and that would be PPP? correct me if I am wrong??
For your information I have only one party: PAKISTAN.
No political affiliations, but always get suspicious when simple questions rattle the people.

What and where yours and mine upbringings and trainings took place is off topic here.
I am an all time member of this forum, and people know me how I always react to the people. I respect you, who ever you are.

What I have explained to you was not your question then please eloborate more your concerns. Probably I can explain in more details.

I am not saying PPP is the seperatist party, but yes, in enterior sindh they have very strong support from all the seperatists. Just look at Zulfiqar Mirza's recent statement against Pakistan and you will better understand the thinking of these hard liners within PPP in Sindh.

The only power who is against these elements are MQM and it's voters. The dilemma is that MQM fight for Pakistan and Punajbis in sindh, and Punjab always blame them and label them as traitors.

I am again saying if MQM shakes hand with these seperatists , then India and USA will also jump into the dirty game and they will provide the fuel for the nasty movement against Pakistan in Sindh.

It is good to know that your party is only Pakistan, so do it for others too. Can you please become the critique of other parties also except MQM? I tell you if you put off the biased band from your sight then you will easily see there are way bigger crimes, flaws and mistakes in other parties also. MQM is nothing against those. But, as I said earlier, your mind set will never allow you to see beyond your imagination.

Pakistan has PPP, PMLN, JI, PTI and others also. Please take a look at them and then say your party is PAKISTAN.
Thanks

 

[Star Gazer]

My brother pakpatriot1, if you have been reading my posts on other topics you would have realized that I have been applying the same standards of critisizm to all parties,I do not try to defend one or the other. If you are right in what you say and believe then why should it bother you what other people say. Your 's and your friends answers are always laced with sarcasm directed at the writer and this kind of makes the whole issue less intellectual. Living in Pakistan and being politically involved by now should have taught you to be patient and take crisizm with humor.
Politics is not life or death,it is a way to achieve certain ends.Always keep the fact in mind whoever you defend or critisize that you are being honest in your effort and only you and Allah know that. One may be wrong, that is ok even with the best intentions because then Allah takes over and usually no great harm befalls the members.
May God guide and bless us all.
ps; I will keep pointing out, lets just stick to the leaders and issues.

 

[PakPatriot1]

My brother pakpatriot1, if you have been reading my posts on other topics you would have realized that I have been applying the same standards of critisizm to all parties,I do not try to defend one or the other. If you are right in what you say and believe then why should it bother you what other people say. Your 's and your friends answers are always laced with sarcasm directed at the writer and this kind of makes the whole issue less intellectual. Living in Pakistan and being politically involved by now should have taught you to be patient and take crisizm with humor.
Politics is not life or death,it is a way to achieve certain ends.Always keep the fact in mind whoever you defend or critisize that you are being honest in your effort and only you and Allah know that. One may be wrong, that is ok even with the best intentions because then Allah takes over and usually no great harm befalls the members.
May God guide and bless us all.
ps; I will keep pointing out, lets just stick to the leaders and issues.

Thanks to call me brother. What you have said in your last post, I also have been a very strong advocate of such notions. Tolerance in politics is the essence. One should listen to the other, and either be agreed or disagreed, but at least should talk with logic. Danda le ke kisi ke peechey parh jane se problem hal nahi hosakti and MeiN ne ManooN policy always let us down and thats what happening in Pak politics for years.

Please do appreciate something what is candidate to be appreciated. Like MQMs development works in Karachi and their stand to not to be with enemies of Pakistan.

Yes, I agreed in thousand times that MQM or Altaf Hussain are not angels, they also do mistakes and they also have weaknesses. But if I look at them what they were 25 years ago, I found them a lot different and improved party now. They always try to correct their mistakes. I also agreed, Altaf Hussain should not deliver a nasty and stupid speech in India. That is a MQMs damage that put us, as workers, on back foot. We can not defend it.

But personally I know Altaf Hussain is not a traitor. He had many chances in the past when he could easily declare and start a civil war in Karachi against the federation, but he never intended to.

Sindhi nationalists want MQM to join them, but MQM has never be in that mood at all.

Baseless allegations just create more hatred in our already turmoiled society. The end result of this exercise is sufferings of common Pakistanis.

Mind it, elite class politicians foul play always put this poor nation in more turbulence.

Any ways if you were offended from any of my word, please ignore it and I do apology on everything what you feel was inappropriate.