A Tribute to Mard e Momin Zia Ul Haq

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Saudi officials say 12 out of 19 people arrested over Monday's three bomb attacks in the country are Pakistani.

An interior ministry spokesman also named a suicide bomber who killed four security officers near a mosque in the sacred city of Medina as Naer Muslim Hamad, a 26-year-old Saudi man.
The ministry said he had a history of drug abuse.


Three people who allegedly carried out attacks in Qatif were also named. Their nationalities are not clear.
Their names were given as Abdulrahman al-Omar (23), Ibrahim al-Omar (20) and Abdulkarim al-Husni (20). The ministry said none of them had Saudi IDs.
The attacks in Qatif took place on the same day and were also suicide bombings.


A man died in Jeddah on Monday when attempting to detonate a bomb.


No group has claimed responsibility for the attacks yet but they are suspected to have been the work of people with allegiances to so-called Islamic State.


The group has targeted Saudi security personnel before. Some online observers pointed out that the guards had been protecting the Sunni-ruled country's Shia, who IS considers irredeemable apostates subject to punishment by death, and facilitating their access to the sacred cities Medina and Mecca.
The attacks happened at the end of the holy month of Ramadan, shocking many moderate Muslims. But after an IS spokesman called for "a month of calamity for unbelievers" there have been multiple attacks carried out by IS sympathisers across the world during Ramadan this year.

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SachGoee

Senator (1k+ posts)
Is that what you say when someone comes to Mirzais and says I want to take the bayt, no wonder ( contrary to Mirzai deception, who claim the numbers in 100,000s and even millions ) you people only get a handful of Mirzai converts. Only 1000 converts in a period of 10 years in a country like UK which is now your defacto capital, well 500 to be honest, because are 500 of them left Mirzaiyat

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So once again, if I wanted to become a Mirzai which of the jannati firka of Mirzais and its corresponding Khalifa would I have to give the bayt to ?

P.S : You guys need to proselytize better if you wan't to change those dismal numbers of converts, even the cult of spaghetti monster has better numbers than this.





Don't see that happening with you mirzais, when on the other hand mainstream Islam is the fastest growing religion in the West and maybe even the world. Hmmmm...wonder why that is.


Sawaal dubara perh lou.
 

SachGoee

Senator (1k+ posts)
Mere sawal ka to jawab nai diya, phele aap

Pehlay Aap. Taakay debate he bund ho jaey agar definition aap k khayalaat o eemaan pe poori utarray tou.

Otherwise aap chup ho jaeeay q k waqt hai waqt e sougg ka. Dil bharra hai mard e momin, janmati musalmaan, pride of nation ki rehlat pe.
 

SachGoee

Senator (1k+ posts)
I've been here on this site for a long time now, and have discussed and talked about a lot of subjects. It is you who came defending your cult and failed/failing miserably at it.


I am referring to the site which is bread and butter aorhna n bichona for you.


Between Nice Excel sheet.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
ضیاء الحق سے اختلاف اپنی جگہ لیکن پاکستانی سیاست کے سارے منحوس چہرے آمریت کی ہی پیدا وار ہیں آج خاندانی سیاست کے سائے تلے جمہوریت کے چیمپئن ، اور یہ ہی چیمپئن تبدیلی کا نعرہ لگا رہے ہیں


بھٹو اور نواز شریف کا نام ساری دنیا نام لیتی ہے ، اس کا ذکر کریں ، جماعت اسلامی کا تو وہ دشمن تھا ، کراچی میں ایم کیو ایم کو بنوایا جماعت کے خلاف ، اسلامی جمعیت پر پابندی لگائی ، ایوب نے جماعت اسلامی پر پابندی لگائی ، ان ہی حکمرانوں نے سید مودودی کو سزائے موت سنائی ، لیکن خود اجڑ گئے ، الله کا فیصلہ کس کی موت کیسے ہوئی ، بھٹو صاحب کی مارشل لاء جمہوریت کو ابھی تک سب بھگت رہے ہیں ، باوجود اس کے کے میں اس کی چند باتوں کو پسند کرتا ہوں اور ذکر بھی کرتا ہوں
جب ضیاء کا وقت تھا تو تو کتنا بڑا تھا ؟؟؟
تیری جماعت منافق تو پلی بڑھی ہی ضیاء اور مشرف کے زمانے میں ہے
ملا ملٹری اتحاد نے سب کچھ تباہ کر دیا
کبھی شرم کیا کر اپنے گریبان میں جھانک کر


ضیاء ، میاں طفیل کو ماموں کہتا تھا
جماعت اپنے کرتوتوں کی وجہ سے ختم ہوئی
ایم کیو ایم کو پی پی ختم کرنے کے لئے بنایا تھا
بےشرم جھوٹ کتنا بولتا ہے
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
I am referring to the site which is bread and butter aorhna n bichona for you.Between Nice Excel sheet.
Trust me when I say this, I am not using any one site or one source and also try to get as much information as I can from pro ahmedi/neutral sites. I watched a lot of videos and Q&As from your own TV channel or channels. Debates with us Kaafirs or the PC term you use in public "Ghair Ahmedis" providing answers to all the "slander" these ghair ahmedis and their mullah put your so called prophet and religion. So there is no way you can say I am just regurgitating old anti ahmedi propaganda. I question everything, at one time, even my own beliefs, thinking maybe if I was born a hindu then I would be a hindu or if I was born a jew then I would be a jew. So maybe I am not on the right path so I looked very hard into my own beliefs from the eye of a skeptic as well as other faiths. Mirzai in my opinion at best the Muslim version of the Church of the latter day saints or commonly known as Mormons or mormonism. GM might even have been inspired by Joseph Smith. The similarities are too big to be coincidences. He also claimed Jesus didn't die but went to S.America lived a normal life and died a natural death. He also claims to be a "reformer" of Chirstianity to bring it back to its pure form and God revealed scripture to him. He also was a "prophet" who made many prophecies. LDS also has the same kind of cultish shroud that Mirzais have.Basically both have taken an established religion and added to that challenging their core beliefs with which most believe to be outlandish claims. Both claim they havent started a new religion but are prophets of that religion, both make tall and almost identical claims about Jesus. Mormons pretend to have the same core beliefs as ordinary christians with "just a little addition from J.Smith Jr" And Mirzais say we also have the same core beliefs as ordinary muslims with "just a little addition from GM"
 

SachGoee

Senator (1k+ posts)
Trust me when I say this, I am not using any one site or one source and also try to get as much information as I can from pro ahmedi/neutral sites. I watched a lot of videos and Q&As from your own TV channel or channels. Debates with us Kaafirs or the PC term you use in public "Ghair Ahmedis" providing answers to all the "slander" these ghair ahmedis and their mullah put your so called prophet and religion. So there is no way you can say I am just regurgitating old anti ahmedi propaganda. I question everything, at one time, even my own beliefs, thinking maybe if I was born a hindu then I would be a hindu or if I was born a jew then I would be a jew. So maybe I am not on the right path so I looked very hard into my own beliefs from the eye of a skeptic as well as other faiths. Mirzai in my opinion at best the Muslim version of the Church of the latter day saints or commonly known as Mormons or mormonism. GM might even have been inspired by Joseph Smith. The similarities are too big to be coincidences. He also claimed Jesus didn't die but went to S.America lived a normal life and died a natural death. He also claims to be a "reformer" of Chirstianity to bring it back to its pure form and God revealed scripture to him. He also was a "prophet" who made many prophecies. LDS also has the same kind of cultish shroud that Mirzais have.Basically both have taken an established religion and added to that challenging their core beliefs with which most believe to be outlandish claims. Both claim they havent started a new religion but are prophets of that religion, both make tall and almost identical claims about Jesus. Mormons pretend to have the same core beliefs as ordinary christians with "just a little addition from J.Smith Jr" And Mirzais say we also have the same core beliefs as ordinary muslims with "just a little addition from GM"


Truth. I did not read your post beyond 6th line because of the same rhetoric u typed and pasted again and again.

This is my last attempt. If you understand fine if not that too fine.


1. When I and we say Gheir Ahmadi we mean all the human beings who do not believe in kalma tayaaba or do not claim to be muslim. If you are Shia Sunni or anyone of other 70 sects than you do not fall in this category of Gheir Ahmadi.

2. If you are from any of the 72 sects and recite Qalma E Tayabba believe in it and claim to be a muslim and believer than I and we call you " Gheir Ahmadi Muslims "

3. We call any Qalma Go Kaafir not by ourselves but we call them Kaafir when the Hadees of He Pbuh implements on them. When and How ?
He Pbuh said that whosoever calls a Qalima Reciter and believe a Kaafir than that Fatwa returns back on him.

So for example if a Shia calls a Sunni kaafir or if a Sunni calls a Shia Kaafir than the one who starts this falls under Hazur Pbuh Hadees so in Allah's Court that Fatwa will return back on him.


4. If a Kalma Go and a believer does Shirk for example going to Graves and asking for help from dead bodies or going to Peer Fakeer and asking for help than when a person does this we say He is doing " Kuffar " as shirk is Kuffar so in this way He can be termed but not ruled as a Kaafir. Because certainly he does Kuffar. But this does not put that person outside the ambit of Islam.

5. Majority Muslims will tell you that who so ever wont believe in Imam Mehdi and wont do his bait He will do Kuffar. Many Ulema have also said that who soever does not believe in Imam Mehdi He would be a Kaafir.

The Ahmadi's claim and believe that Imam Mehdi has come and passed away. We believe that since Quran mentions a special category of Imam's who were Prophets and were given divine wisdom by Allah through Communication via Wahi and they guided people as per Allah's guidance so They were Prophets because they experienced continuous comminication unlike Wali's plus were given abundant knowledge about Ghaib and were made Prophets by Allah so Imam Mehdi's stature is the same aswell as He was made Imam by Allah not by prople and Allah told him that He AS was Imam Mehdi. Hazur Pbuh saying mentions him as Nabi ullah four times and many highly ranked islamic imam's, mujaddid's and wali's saints have written 200 years ago that He will be a Prophetic figure and their interpretation of Khaatam un Nabee-een also differs with your's and today's majority muslims.

So anybody who does not do Bait of Imam Mehdi and does not believe in him does "Kuffar" and is a Kaafir in that respect unless the message hasnt reached him or he did not understand it and is not in denail either. But he is only Kaafir in the sense that He did Kuffar but He wont be considered a Kaafir of the type who does not believe in Allah or He Pbuh or other previous Prophets. He would be considered Imam Mehdi ka Kaafir ie who did kuffar by not accepting him. But it does not mean that since he did Kuffar so despite being Qalma Go He is a Non Muslim because to be defined as a Muslim he fulfils all the requirements of Quran & Siha e Satta Ahadees so no worldly power or person has the right to declare him a Non Muslim and His faith will be judged by Allah in later times.


There was a Prominent Peer in times of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS who had more than 20,000 followers. He had acknowledged eventually that Hazur AS claim was truthful but He did not accept him AS because Worldly gains and fears got better of him. He feared somebody killing him and also Gaddi was a huge source of Bread and Butter for him which he did not want to lose.

On the other hand many other Peer's accepted him As and did bait and left their Peeri. There are ahmadi muslims from such background with whom still they use word Peer like their ancestors but they do not practice it just like their great grand parents left it more than hundred years ago.


Bhaee if you understand than fine. If not than too its fine. No point in lingering on this discussion further. I have tried my best.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Truth. I did not read your post beyond 6th line because of the same rhetoric u typed and pasted again and again.

This is my last attempt. If you understand fine if not that too fine.


1. When I and we say Gheir Ahmadi we mean all the human beings who do not believe in kalma tayaaba or do not claim to be muslim. If you are Shia Sunni or anyone of other 70 sects than you do not fall in this category of Gheir Ahmadi.

2. If you are from any of the 72 sects and recite Qalma E Tayabba believe in it and claim to be a muslim and believer than I and we call you " Gheir Ahmadi Muslims "

3. We call any Qalma Go Kaafir not by ourselves but we call them Kaafir when the Hadees of He Pbuh implements on them. When and How ?
He Pbuh said that whosoever calls a Qalima Reciter and believe a Kaafir than that Fatwa returns back on him.

So for example if a Shia calls a Sunni kaafir or if a Sunni calls a Shia Kaafir than the one who starts this falls under Hazur Pbuh Hadees so in Allah's Court that Fatwa will return back on him.


4. If a Kalma Go and a believer does Shirk for example going to Graves and asking for help from dead bodies or going to Peer Fakeer and asking for help than when a person does this we say He is doing " Kuffar " as shirk is Kuffar so in this way He can be termed but not ruled as a Kaafir. Because certainly he does Kuffar. But this does not put that person outside the ambit of Islam.

5. Majority Muslims will tell you that who so ever wont believe in Imam Mehdi and wont do his bait He will do Kuffar. Many Ulema have also said that who soever does not believe in Imam Mehdi He would be a Kaafir.

The Ahmadi's claim and believe that Imam Mehdi has come and passed away. We believe that since Quran mentions a special category of Imam's who were Prophets and were given divine wisdom by Allah through Communication via Wahi and they guided people as per Allah's guidance so They were Prophets because they experienced continuous comminication unlike Wali's plus were given abundant knowledge about Ghaib and were made Prophets by Allah so Imam Mehdi's stature is the same aswell as He was made Imam by Allah not by prople and Allah told him that He AS was Imam Mehdi. Hazur Pbuh saying mentions him as Nabi ullah four times and many highly ranked islamic imam's, mujaddid's and wali's saints have written 200 years ago that He will be a Prophetic figure and their interpretation of Khaatam un Nabee-een also differs with your's and today's majority muslims.

So anybody who does not do Bait of Imam Mehdi and does not believe in him does "Kuffar" and is a Kaafir in that respect unless the message hasnt reached him or he did not understand it and is not in denail either. But he is only Kaafir in the sense that He did Kuffar but He wont be considered a Kaafir of the type who does not believe in Allah or He Pbuh or other previous Prophets. He would be considered Imam Mehdi ka Kaafir ie who did kuffar by not accepting him. But it does not mean that since he did Kuffar so despite being Qalma Go He is a Non Muslim because to be defined as a Muslim he fulfils all the requirements of Quran & Siha e Satta Ahadees so no worldly power or person has the right to declare him a Non Muslim and His faith will be judged by Allah in later times.


There was a Prominent Peer in times of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS who had more than 20,000 followers. He had acknowledged eventually that Hazur AS claim was truthful but He did not accept him AS because Worldly gains and fears got better of him. He feared somebody killing him and also Gaddi was a huge source of Bread and Butter for him which he did not want to lose.

On the other hand many other Peer's accepted him As and did bait and left their Peeri. There are ahmadi muslims from such background with whom still they use word Peer like their ancestors but they do not practice it just like their great grand parents left it more than hundred years ago.


Bhaee if you understand than fine. If not than too its fine. No point in lingering on this discussion further. I have tried my best.

So you have two distinctions of Kafirs, I guess if that is the truth, I can live with that, so I'm a smaller Kafir than regular full time kafir. But then no matter how roundabout way you put it you consider any one who is ghair ahmedi kaafir, well atleast you busted that myth, yourself.

As for the rest

Allah told him that He AS was Imam Mehdi.


So you just took GMs word for it that Allah has told him he was Mahdi, even though he did not fulfill any of the conditions.

1. He will be a desendent of The Holy Prophet. GM was not.
2.There will be a battle in Mina. There was none.
3.Alfurat will reveal great wealth or gold. It did not
4.A tyrant descendent Of Abu Sufiyan will emerge from Damascus and will send his armies to kill Imam Mahdi. No one emerged.

There are tons more of which none happened, but I will just leave it at this for now.

What if I told you I was Mahdi, you should also take my word for it. Why is GMs word better than mine ?

Who accepted him and who did not is pointless, specially in those times where people didn't have access to information like we do and most hardly had an education or even knew how to read and write. And believed almost anything if told in the right way and as show previously more than half leave mirzaiyat sometime after joining it, more than half of the 300 something "sahaba" of GM left mirzaiyat and Ive seen a lot of videos including the one's you have posted about people who have become Ahmedis, these people were mostly people who were Muslim by name only not well educated knew nothing about Islam, so these people are easy prey. On the other hand majority of the Ahmedis who have left it, were very well educated and left Ahmediyat because the more they got into in specially reading more and more of the 80-90 books written by GM the more they got convinced they were on the wrong path. No one came to them and did dawa etc etc From what Ive gathered most Mirzais actually havent read much of his stuff, just selected bits and parts which your organization, jamat or suitably cult wants you to read. And I don't blame them either, who has time to read so many 80 plus books nowadays, the one who do mostly leave it. One question, how much or many of GMs books have you read yourself ? highlighting it only so you dont forget to answer it

I only brought up this point because you brought up peer babas becoming mirzais

A no Imam Mahdi will NOT be prophet the word Mahdi itself means The Rightly Guided one, he will be the last Khalifa Rashideen, he will be a normal man with no ilm-e-ghaib or wahi. Just like the previous Khalifas, Abu Bakr a.s, Omar a.s, so on and so forth. They did not require wahi from Allah to be just rulers, rightly guided and do the right thing.

And Imam Mahdi and Hazrat Isa are two different people and not one. Just like GM did not fulfill any of the prophecies of Imam Mahdi he did not fulfil any of the prophecies of Isa A.S

So when a man who makes certain claims but cannot fulfill any of the conditions of those claims hence cannot be Imam Mahdi or Isa A.S or anyone holy or pious, unless you can prove otherwise.
 
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Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
P.S If you don't read what I wrote then how can you reply. I read everything you write. And FYI it wasn't rhetoric, I've never heard anyone before compare mormonism to mirzaiyat. This is totally own opinion formed from studying both. And if you don't know about mornomism I suggets you do, these two are very similar including your views about Isa A.S and how the church and jamat in your case plays such a big part in both. And literally both would vanish literally in a period of less than a year if its members stopped giving it "chanda"

The LDS church and your Jammat are the only thing keeping your "religions" alive. Without them neither can survive let alone thrive.
 

A.G.Uddin

Minister (2k+ posts)
Zia ul Haq ki dark legacy ko dark sabit karne keliye yehi cheez kaafi hay key uske fans us per zara si bhi tanqeed per aapko agent , kafir, ghaddar, mirzai, mulhid, rafizi, angrez ki najayaz aulad, yahudi aur najane kaun kaun say titles say nawazein. Aur yaqeen manu Zia ko Islam ka hero maanne wale aur patriotism aur pure Muslim ke certificates baantne wale loug woh hain key jab in per koi kada waqt aayega tau ye Lal Masjid ki burqewali sarkar jaisa attitude bhi apna salkte hain especially ye Zia loving keyboard warriors.
 

A.G.Uddin

Minister (2k+ posts)
zia ko ek bat ka credit jta hy k is ne Bhutto jsi lenj ye awam ke jan churwayee, pr overall zia ko prny chitter hi chahiyee, Pak ke 3rd class cycle k sat bandh kr :133::smashfreakB::133::smashfreakB:


Yaar Bhutto sahab nay mulk tau nahi chauda tha na unlike Nawaz Sharif. Plus he was not submitting to US hegemony in the country / region. USA ko suna hay hiladala tha unhoon nay. Aaj bhi Pakistan bhar ke Socialists jo key welfare state ka concept Jamati munafiqoun say better samajhte hain Bhutto ko yaad karte hain.

Aaj shayad Pakistan ke uske tamaam neighbours ke saath ache ya stable relationship hote agar Bhutto sahab 10 saal aur rule karlete. Ye Zia jaise contract killer ka he kamal hay key green passport waloun ko dunya may aaj bus ginti ke kuch countries he on arrival visa dete hain.

Haan ZAB was not beyond criticism aur unki aik ghalti ye thi key kuch jagah unhoon nay Mullahs ko raasta dediya. Humare kuch liberal circles ka ye bhi maanna hay key 1974 ka Ahmadis say related amendment he religious extremism ka beej tha....magar Ahmadis ko tau Indonesia aur Bangladesh waghera may bhi non-Muslims consider kiajata hay. Plus, kuch log kehte hain key Afghanistan may strategic depth ZAB nay start ki aur Zia nay usse bus teil dala. Allah behter jaane.
 

SachGoee

Senator (1k+ posts)
P.S If you don't read what I wrote then how can you reply. I read everything you write. And FYI it wasn't rhetoric, I've never heard anyone before compare mormonism to mirzaiyat. This is totally own opinion formed from studying both. And if you don't know about mornomism I suggets you do, these two are very similar including your views about Isa A.S and how the church and jamat in your case plays such a big part in both. And literally both would vanish literally in a period of less than a year if its members stopped giving it "chanda"

The LDS church and your Jammat are the only thing keeping your "religions" alive. Without them neither can survive let alone thrive.

I have read your post.

I dont see any similarities.

We need Money to

1. Build Mosques

2. To Pay Salary of

a. Murabbeaan
b. Mubashireen
c. Moallameen
d. Khaadim Masjids
e. Guards


3. For Printing of Millions of Pumphlets and Folders which are distributed free worldwide spreading our message


4. For Printing Books


5. For Annual & Regular gatherings & meetings of Jamaat members overall or at different tanzeem levels.


6. For the Operations of 15 Madrassa e Ahmadiyya's worldwide (Religious Knowledge Universities)


7. For the Operations of Haafiz e Quran centres


8. For Fazl e Umar Hospital


9. For Tahir Heart Institute


10. For Tahir HomeoPathic Dispensaries & Clinics


11. For hundreds of Free dispensaries in Africa


12. For dozens of Free Schools, Colleges, Technical institutes in Pakistan & Africa.

13. For Humanity First Disaster Management NGO

14. For digging Water wells in Africa

15. For the Kafalatt of Yateems & Shohada families.

16. For the Academic Scholarships, Grants , Loan & for financial help of Needy people in marriages.

17. For the International Peace Conferences in all countries.

18. For International Annual Gatherings in all countries.

19. For the Operation of 3 Satellite & 25 plus Radio Channels.

20. For the Construction of Mission Houses.


So Ahmadi Muslims will keep on doing Financial Sacrifice worth Billions of Rupees till our last breaths for this Holy & Noble Causes whole heartedly InshaAllah Taala.


Alhamdoulillah we have not vanished in last 127 years and we would not vanish in future aswell. I pray that Allah keeps helping and blessing us more and more like he has in last 127 years.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
I have read your post.

I dont see any similarities.

We need Money to

1. Build Mosques

2. To Pay Salary of

a. Murabbeaan
b. Mubashireen
c. Moallameen
d. Khaadim Masjids
e. Guards


3. For Printing of Millions of Pumphlets and Folders which are distributed free worldwide spreading our message


4. For Printing Books


5. For Annual & Regular gatherings & meetings of Jamaat members overall or at different tanzeem levels.


6. For the Operations of 15 Madrassa e Ahmadiyya's worldwide (Religious Knowledge Universities)


7. For the Operations of Haafiz e Quran centres


8. For Fazl e Umar Hospital


9. For Tahir Heart Institute


10. For Tahir HomeoPathic Dispensaries & Clinics


11. For hundreds of Free dispensaries in Africa


12. For dozens of Free Schools, Colleges, Technical institutes in Pakistan & Africa.

13. For Humanity First Disaster Management NGO

14. For digging Water wells in Africa

15. For the Kafalatt of Yateems & Shohada families.

16. For the Academic Scholarships, Grants , Loan & for financial help of Needy people in marriages.

17. For the International Peace Conferences in all countries.

18. For International Annual Gatherings in all countries.

19. For the Operation of 3 Satellite & 25 plus Radio Channels.

20. For the Construction of Mission Houses.


So Ahmadi Muslims will keep on doing Financial Sacrifice worth Billions of Rupees till our last breaths for this Holy & Noble Causes whole heartedly InshaAllah Taala.


Alhamdoulillah we have not vanished in last 127 years and we would not vanish in future aswell. I pray that Allah keeps helping and blessing us more and more like he has in last 127 years.

If you don't see any similarites is because you haven't looked or choose not to see and like I said if this chanda was stopped Mirzaiyat will stop. A belief is weak and false if it cannot survive without extorting money in the guise of alms. A tradition laid down by its founder.

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What is this "laazmi chanda" of more than 1/3rd of your income. Is this a religon or an extortion racket?

And if there was anything that would keep me from becoming a Mirzai even if I believed in all the associated dogma of the sect. It would how you are told by your cult leadership to live simple lives but contribute big chunks to the "jaamat", which by the way is not a requirement in Islam other than 2% zakat. And look how much the cult leadership spends on extravagant places of worships, salaN Jlsa etc etc. Look how your Khalifa lives and then compare your Khalifas "rehen sahen" and "chal chalan" with that of our beloved prophet s.a.w and the true Khalifas like Hazrat Abu Bakr r.a, Hazrat Omar bin Khatab r.a and the following Khalifas. Their houses made of mud and like that of the poor.

I don't know if you guys ever read any actual Hadith other than what your jammat tells you to with their own distorted translations but if you do, I am sure you know the story Omar r.a and when he met a woman boiling water pretending to cook something for her children, these were the Khalifa Rashideen. Not that mardood in a sherwani and kalf aali pug living a life of luxury in cool and comfortable Britain. Same as rulers of Pakistan, aap daal na khaie chicken khaien, while I have billions stashed away.

And once again very skilfully you have dodged and entire post and just nit picked one single point you think you could argue and maybe give a defense for and ignored everything else.

You very simply stated GM said Allah told him he is the Mahdi so you believe it, one is simply to take is word for it, thats why to stop such kadhaabs to claim to be Mahdis a whole set of prophecies were revealed so the true momin can indentify the real Mahdi. And not some snake oil selling lackey of the british govt.

I'm sorry if you find all of this offensive but like the saying goes if the cap fits, wear it.
 

SachGoee

Senator (1k+ posts)
If you don't see any similarites is because you haven't looked or choose not to see and like I said if this chanda was stopped Mirzaiyat will stop. A belief is weak and false if it cannot survive without extorting money in the guise of alms. A tradition laid down by its founder.

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What is this "laazmi chanda" of more than 1/3rd of your income. Is this a religon or an extortion racket?

And if there was anything that would keep me from becoming a Mirzai even if I believed in all the associated dogma of the sect. It would how you are told by your cult leadership to live simple lives but contribute big chunks to the "jaamat", which by the way is not a requirement in Islam other than 2% zakat. And look how much the cult leadership spends on extravagant places of worships, salaN Jlsa etc etc. Look how your Khalifa lives and then compare your Khalifas "rehen sahen" and "chal chalan" with that of our beloved prophet s.a.w and the true Khalifas like Hazrat Abu Bakr r.a, Hazrat Omar bin Khatab r.a and the following Khalifas. Their houses made of mud and like that of the poor.

I don't know if you guys ever read any actual Hadith other than what your jammat tells you to with their own distorted translations but if you do, I am sure you know the story Omar r.a and when he met a woman boiling water pretending to cook something for her children, these were the Khalifa Rashideen. Not that mardood in a sherwani and kalf aali pug living a life of luxury in cool and comfortable Britain. Same as rulers of Pakistan, aap daal na khaie chicken khaien, while I have billions stashed away.

And once again very skilfully you have dodged and entire post and just nit picked one single point you think you could argue and maybe give a defense for and ignored everything else.

You very simply stated GM said Allah told him he is the Mahdi so you believe it, one is simply to take is word for it, thats why to stop such kadhaabs to claim to be Mahdis a whole set of prophecies were revealed so the true momin can indentify the real Mahdi. And not some snake oil selling lackey of the british govt.

I'm sorry if you find all of this offensive but like the saying goes if the cap fits, wear it.


First of All since you do not believe that Hazrat Eesa As is dead so

Read

1. Haqiqat ul Wahi page 95 to 130

and

2. Maseeh Hindustaan mein page 1 to 130.



You will find

A. Evidence from Bible that Hazrat Eesa As did not die on cross neither was ascended to heaven alive or dead.

B. Evidence from Budhmatt religious books about Death of Hazrat Eesa As

C. Evidence from Books of History and historians about the migration of Hazrat Eesa As to Kashmir and his dead there.

D. Evidence from Verses of Quran & Ahadees that Maseeh e Nasri ie Hazrat Eesa As is dead and he died before Prophet Mohammad Pbuh.



Now read the answer to your other question.


No Ahmadi is kicked out of the Jamaat because he does not pay chanda, pays less chanda or is unable to pay chanda becahse of Finamcial constraints.


Secondly Laazmi chandajaat's are two Chandaaz

1. Hissa Aamad which is 1/16 of your monthly pay or 1/10 of your monthly pay if you have done waseehat.

Now i have willfully by my owm consent done waseehat so i pay 1/10th.

2. Chanda Jalsa Salana which is 0.8333 % of your monthly pay.


Other than this we pay Zakaat aswell in %age prescribed by He Pbuh. Similarly we give Sadqa aswell and Fitrana Fidya too and we do Ibrahimic sacrifice on Eid ul Adha aswell.


Apart from different Jamaat's are given targets worldwide under the categories of

1. Tehreek e Jadeed
2. Waqf e Jadeed
3. Syedana Bilal Fund
4. Maryum Shaadi Fund
5. Taleemi fund
6. Ansarullah Chanda
7. Lajna Chanda
8. Khuddaam Chanda
9. Yaksad Yatama
10. Tahir Homeo Pathic
11. Fazl e Umar fund
12. Mta fund.


In these some pay in all categories as per toufeeq. Some pay in certain categories and we give our yearly pledges as per our financial capacaties and passion of financial sacrifice.


We all do it wilfully. 99.9 % of us earn our livelihood by halaal means Alhamdoulillah and We do this financial sacrifice for all the noble, holy and humanitarian works our Jamaat is doing worthwide for Islam.


Whatever we sacrifice in the way of Allah its between our Jamaat its members and Allah and you need not to worry as I amd We dont snatch this money from you or anybody.


Bohat se logoun ko takleef hai k hum iss paisay se dunya mein jo kaam ker rahay hein aor Saeed fitrat loug hamara kirdaar aor ka dekh k Ahmadiat mein daakhil horahah hein alhamdoulillah.


Remember we also pay taxes in which ever country we live as required.


Allah humein rizq e halaal de raha hai so hum Allah ki Rah mein aor dein ge. Allah Rizq mein kushaadagi detay hein bless kertay hein tou hum aor berh k maali jehaad kertay hein Allah ki Rah mein.


Logoun k Propaganda ko 99.9 % Ahmadi Musalmaan jooti ki noke pe rakhtay hein. Hum fully waqif hein k Hazur Ayadullah Taala kaham rehtay hein unki kya zindagi hai. Unka Rehun Sehun hum se dhakka chupa hua nai hai.


Hum nai chahtay k Hazur ko Pakistan mein jhootay cases mein Jail mein rehna perhay ya Unn ko Shaheed kiya jaey. Ya Ulema e Soo Gustakhee k jhootay muqadmoun aor Murtadd k fatwoun mein Jaali Aashiq e Rasool k through unka khoon bahaein. So hijrat ker k bilkul theek kiya hai. Jub tak Haalaat iss Nehaj pe nai thay tou 3 Khalifa Pakistan mein rahay. Bilkul theek hijrat ki khalifa Raabay Rt aor Khalifa Khaamis Ayadullah taala benaslil aziz ne . . .



Aap loug pehlay kehtay thay k

Humein Tamaam funding Jews & Christian kertay hein. Aor uss paisay se hum tableegh ker rahay.

Phir aap loug kehtay thay k dunya mein jo ahmadi horahay unko paisa hum detay jews n christian give. So iss liye jamaat berh rai k logoun ko paisa milta muft ka ahmadi honay se.

Ab Aap logoun ka teesra jhoot hai k jamaat zabardasti hum se paisa leti hai aor chanda umara aor badshah ayaashee kertay hein uss paisay se.


Abi Aap loug rukkay nai 4th se ley k 1000 statements aap badlein ge aor bohtaanoun jhootoun ki factories band nai hogee.


Hamara saara paisa Charity ki madd mein kahan jata hai ? Har mulk mein humein total money ka annual audit kerwana perhta hai k kitni collection hui aor kahan pe paisa kharch hua.


Aapko Ilm hai k Khalifa e Waqt kahan rehtay hein ? Nai aapko nai pata.


Aor Aapko pata hai k Hamari Jamaat mein Unn Maooun k Sapoot zinda hein jo Tohfatann In love of Hazur ABA unko car gift kertay hein. Aap ko agar takleef hai tou rahay. Allah ne jisay maali kashaish di hai uski marzi. Mujhay b toufeeq millay gee mein b ye kerum ga. Aap kya Jaano Khilafat kya hoti hai.


Jub 2010 mein Pakistan mein Lahore mein 95 ahmadi shaheed hogaey thay tou hum ne apni government se aik aana bhee nai liya aor unn tamaam khaandaanoun ki kafalat hum apne financial sacrifice se ker rahay hein. Agar aapko takleef hai tou rahay. Aap hamari Jaib ki hamaray paisay ki fikar na kerein. Aapko kyun Maroarh uth rahay hein ?


Raaj Paal Hindu ne Jo Hazur Pbuh pe Ganday Ilzamaat lagaey, jo jo aeyrazaat Meeca ka sub se Aalim Abu Jehal kerta tha uss se kya Islam Ruk gaya khatam hogaya ?

Aap loug b 127 saal se Hazrat Maseeh e Mouood As ki zaat pe, Tehreeraat pe, Khulafa k Character pe Aetrazaat ker ker k thaktay nai hein. Hazaaroun aetrazaat. Per agar Hazrat Maseeh e Mouood As ki jamaat ko unkay maan ne waaloun ko Aap ya aapkay Zameeni khuda 127 saal mein nai mita sakay na he iski growth ko rok sakay tou apne zameeni khudaoun se sawaal keejiye jinhoun ne budtareen persecution bhee ki, kaee khoon b kiye per ye jamaat khatam na hui. Phir Allah k aagay apne maathay ragrheeay sajdoun mein aor rou rou k sawaal keejiye k YaAllah Nabioun k Sardaar k mutaliq Nabooat ka Aap ne jo mayaar rakhna jaanchne ka Hazur Pbuh k liye aor unkay baad jo jo jhoota kaazib tha Musalima kazaab se le ker Alexander Dowee tal 29 k 29 ko Aap ne Nishaan e Ibrat bana diya aor unkay Naam leva wo kuch saal mein Safa e hasti se mita diya Surah e Haaqa k waada k aen mutaabiq aaj dunya mein koi unka maan ne waala nai. YaAllah Aap ne 127 saal mein Mirza Ghulam Ahmed As, Khulafa e Ahmadiat aor Ahmadioun ka wo haal kyun nai kiya agar ye Jhootay Kazaab Nabi k maan ne waalay hein.


So Aapki Jang Khuda se Hai. Khuda se lerheeay aor ussi se jawaab paaieye.


Allah taala ki rehmatein aor fazail aap aor aapkay pyaaroun pe houn. Aameen



FeeimaanAllah.
 

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