Is that what you say when someone comes to Mirzais and says I want to take the bayt, no wonder ( contrary to Mirzai deception, who claim the numbers in 100,000s and even millions ) you people only get a handful of Mirzai converts. Only 1000 converts in a period of 10 years in a country like UK which is now your defacto capital, well 500 to be honest, because are 500 of them left Mirzaiyat
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So once again, if I wanted to become a Mirzai which of the jannati firka of Mirzais and its corresponding Khalifa would I have to give the bayt to ?
P.S : You guys need to proselytize better if you wan't to change those dismal numbers of converts, even the cult of spaghetti monster has better numbers than this.
Don't see that happening with you mirzais, when on the other hand mainstream Islam is the fastest growing religion in the West and maybe even the world. Hmmmm...wonder why that is.
Sawaal dubara perh lou.
Mere sawal ka to jawab nai diya, phele aap
Iss website ko apna qaaba bana lou Citizen X Bhaee
I've been here on this site for a long time now, and have discussed and talked about a lot of subjects. It is you who came defending your cult and failed/failing miserably at it.
ضیاء الحق سے اختلاف اپنی جگہ لیکن پاکستانی سیاست کے سارے منحوس چہرے آمریت کی ہی پیدا وار ہیں آج خاندانی سیاست کے سائے تلے جمہوریت کے چیمپئن ، اور یہ ہی چیمپئن تبدیلی کا نعرہ لگا رہے ہیں
جب ضیاء کا وقت تھا تو تو کتنا بڑا تھا ؟؟؟
بھٹو اور نواز شریف کا نام ساری دنیا نام لیتی ہے ، اس کا ذکر کریں ، جماعت اسلامی کا تو وہ دشمن تھا ، کراچی میں ایم کیو ایم کو بنوایا جماعت کے خلاف ، اسلامی جمعیت پر پابندی لگائی ، ایوب نے جماعت اسلامی پر پابندی لگائی ، ان ہی حکمرانوں نے سید مودودی کو سزائے موت سنائی ، لیکن خود اجڑ گئے ، الله کا فیصلہ کس کی موت کیسے ہوئی ، بھٹو صاحب کی مارشل لاء جمہوریت کو ابھی تک سب بھگت رہے ہیں ، باوجود اس کے کے میں اس کی چند باتوں کو پسند کرتا ہوں اور ذکر بھی کرتا ہوں
Trust me when I say this, I am not using any one site or one source and also try to get as much information as I can from pro ahmedi/neutral sites. I watched a lot of videos and Q&As from your own TV channel or channels. Debates with us Kaafirs or the PC term you use in public "Ghair Ahmedis" providing answers to all the "slander" these ghair ahmedis and their mullah put your so called prophet and religion. So there is no way you can say I am just regurgitating old anti ahmedi propaganda. I question everything, at one time, even my own beliefs, thinking maybe if I was born a hindu then I would be a hindu or if I was born a jew then I would be a jew. So maybe I am not on the right path so I looked very hard into my own beliefs from the eye of a skeptic as well as other faiths. Mirzai in my opinion at best the Muslim version of the Church of the latter day saints or commonly known as Mormons or mormonism. GM might even have been inspired by Joseph Smith. The similarities are too big to be coincidences. He also claimed Jesus didn't die but went to S.America lived a normal life and died a natural death. He also claims to be a "reformer" of Chirstianity to bring it back to its pure form and God revealed scripture to him. He also was a "prophet" who made many prophecies. LDS also has the same kind of cultish shroud that Mirzais have.Basically both have taken an established religion and added to that challenging their core beliefs with which most believe to be outlandish claims. Both claim they havent started a new religion but are prophets of that religion, both make tall and almost identical claims about Jesus. Mormons pretend to have the same core beliefs as ordinary christians with "just a little addition from J.Smith Jr" And Mirzais say we also have the same core beliefs as ordinary muslims with "just a little addition from GM"I am referring to the site which is bread and butter aorhna n bichona for you.Between Nice Excel sheet.
Trust me when I say this, I am not using any one site or one source and also try to get as much information as I can from pro ahmedi/neutral sites. I watched a lot of videos and Q&As from your own TV channel or channels. Debates with us Kaafirs or the PC term you use in public "Ghair Ahmedis" providing answers to all the "slander" these ghair ahmedis and their mullah put your so called prophet and religion. So there is no way you can say I am just regurgitating old anti ahmedi propaganda. I question everything, at one time, even my own beliefs, thinking maybe if I was born a hindu then I would be a hindu or if I was born a jew then I would be a jew. So maybe I am not on the right path so I looked very hard into my own beliefs from the eye of a skeptic as well as other faiths. Mirzai in my opinion at best the Muslim version of the Church of the latter day saints or commonly known as Mormons or mormonism. GM might even have been inspired by Joseph Smith. The similarities are too big to be coincidences. He also claimed Jesus didn't die but went to S.America lived a normal life and died a natural death. He also claims to be a "reformer" of Chirstianity to bring it back to its pure form and God revealed scripture to him. He also was a "prophet" who made many prophecies. LDS also has the same kind of cultish shroud that Mirzais have.Basically both have taken an established religion and added to that challenging their core beliefs with which most believe to be outlandish claims. Both claim they havent started a new religion but are prophets of that religion, both make tall and almost identical claims about Jesus. Mormons pretend to have the same core beliefs as ordinary christians with "just a little addition from J.Smith Jr" And Mirzais say we also have the same core beliefs as ordinary muslims with "just a little addition from GM"
Truth. I did not read your post beyond 6th line because of the same rhetoric u typed and pasted again and again.
This is my last attempt. If you understand fine if not that too fine.
1. When I and we say Gheir Ahmadi we mean all the human beings who do not believe in kalma tayaaba or do not claim to be muslim. If you are Shia Sunni or anyone of other 70 sects than you do not fall in this category of Gheir Ahmadi.
2. If you are from any of the 72 sects and recite Qalma E Tayabba believe in it and claim to be a muslim and believer than I and we call you " Gheir Ahmadi Muslims "
3. We call any Qalma Go Kaafir not by ourselves but we call them Kaafir when the Hadees of He Pbuh implements on them. When and How ?
He Pbuh said that whosoever calls a Qalima Reciter and believe a Kaafir than that Fatwa returns back on him.
So for example if a Shia calls a Sunni kaafir or if a Sunni calls a Shia Kaafir than the one who starts this falls under Hazur Pbuh Hadees so in Allah's Court that Fatwa will return back on him.
4. If a Kalma Go and a believer does Shirk for example going to Graves and asking for help from dead bodies or going to Peer Fakeer and asking for help than when a person does this we say He is doing " Kuffar " as shirk is Kuffar so in this way He can be termed but not ruled as a Kaafir. Because certainly he does Kuffar. But this does not put that person outside the ambit of Islam.
5. Majority Muslims will tell you that who so ever wont believe in Imam Mehdi and wont do his bait He will do Kuffar. Many Ulema have also said that who soever does not believe in Imam Mehdi He would be a Kaafir.
The Ahmadi's claim and believe that Imam Mehdi has come and passed away. We believe that since Quran mentions a special category of Imam's who were Prophets and were given divine wisdom by Allah through Communication via Wahi and they guided people as per Allah's guidance so They were Prophets because they experienced continuous comminication unlike Wali's plus were given abundant knowledge about Ghaib and were made Prophets by Allah so Imam Mehdi's stature is the same aswell as He was made Imam by Allah not by prople and Allah told him that He AS was Imam Mehdi. Hazur Pbuh saying mentions him as Nabi ullah four times and many highly ranked islamic imam's, mujaddid's and wali's saints have written 200 years ago that He will be a Prophetic figure and their interpretation of Khaatam un Nabee-een also differs with your's and today's majority muslims.
So anybody who does not do Bait of Imam Mehdi and does not believe in him does "Kuffar" and is a Kaafir in that respect unless the message hasnt reached him or he did not understand it and is not in denail either. But he is only Kaafir in the sense that He did Kuffar but He wont be considered a Kaafir of the type who does not believe in Allah or He Pbuh or other previous Prophets. He would be considered Imam Mehdi ka Kaafir ie who did kuffar by not accepting him. But it does not mean that since he did Kuffar so despite being Qalma Go He is a Non Muslim because to be defined as a Muslim he fulfils all the requirements of Quran & Siha e Satta Ahadees so no worldly power or person has the right to declare him a Non Muslim and His faith will be judged by Allah in later times.
There was a Prominent Peer in times of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS who had more than 20,000 followers. He had acknowledged eventually that Hazur AS claim was truthful but He did not accept him AS because Worldly gains and fears got better of him. He feared somebody killing him and also Gaddi was a huge source of Bread and Butter for him which he did not want to lose.
On the other hand many other Peer's accepted him As and did bait and left their Peeri. There are ahmadi muslims from such background with whom still they use word Peer like their ancestors but they do not practice it just like their great grand parents left it more than hundred years ago.
Bhaee if you understand than fine. If not than too its fine. No point in lingering on this discussion further. I have tried my best.
Allah told him that He AS was Imam Mehdi.
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P.S If you don't read what I wrote then how can you reply. I read everything you write. And FYI it wasn't rhetoric, I've never heard anyone before compare mormonism to mirzaiyat. This is totally own opinion formed from studying both. And if you don't know about mornomism I suggets you do, these two are very similar including your views about Isa A.S and how the church and jamat in your case plays such a big part in both. And literally both would vanish literally in a period of less than a year if its members stopped giving it "chanda"
The LDS church and your Jammat are the only thing keeping your "religions" alive. Without them neither can survive let alone thrive.
I have read your post.
I dont see any similarities.
We need Money to
1. Build Mosques
2. To Pay Salary of
a. Murabbeaan
b. Mubashireen
c. Moallameen
d. Khaadim Masjids
e. Guards
3. For Printing of Millions of Pumphlets and Folders which are distributed free worldwide spreading our message
4. For Printing Books
5. For Annual & Regular gatherings & meetings of Jamaat members overall or at different tanzeem levels.
6. For the Operations of 15 Madrassa e Ahmadiyya's worldwide (Religious Knowledge Universities)
7. For the Operations of Haafiz e Quran centres
8. For Fazl e Umar Hospital
9. For Tahir Heart Institute
10. For Tahir HomeoPathic Dispensaries & Clinics
11. For hundreds of Free dispensaries in Africa
12. For dozens of Free Schools, Colleges, Technical institutes in Pakistan & Africa.
13. For Humanity First Disaster Management NGO
14. For digging Water wells in Africa
15. For the Kafalatt of Yateems & Shohada families.
16. For the Academic Scholarships, Grants , Loan & for financial help of Needy people in marriages.
17. For the International Peace Conferences in all countries.
18. For International Annual Gatherings in all countries.
19. For the Operation of 3 Satellite & 25 plus Radio Channels.
20. For the Construction of Mission Houses.
So Ahmadi Muslims will keep on doing Financial Sacrifice worth Billions of Rupees till our last breaths for this Holy & Noble Causes whole heartedly InshaAllah Taala.
Alhamdoulillah we have not vanished in last 127 years and we would not vanish in future aswell. I pray that Allah keeps helping and blessing us more and more like he has in last 127 years.
If you don't see any similarites is because you haven't looked or choose not to see and like I said if this chanda was stopped Mirzaiyat will stop. A belief is weak and false if it cannot survive without extorting money in the guise of alms. A tradition laid down by its founder.
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What is this "laazmi chanda" of more than 1/3rd of your income. Is this a religon or an extortion racket?
And if there was anything that would keep me from becoming a Mirzai even if I believed in all the associated dogma of the sect. It would how you are told by your cult leadership to live simple lives but contribute big chunks to the "jaamat", which by the way is not a requirement in Islam other than 2% zakat. And look how much the cult leadership spends on extravagant places of worships, salaN Jlsa etc etc. Look how your Khalifa lives and then compare your Khalifas "rehen sahen" and "chal chalan" with that of our beloved prophet s.a.w and the true Khalifas like Hazrat Abu Bakr r.a, Hazrat Omar bin Khatab r.a and the following Khalifas. Their houses made of mud and like that of the poor.
I don't know if you guys ever read any actual Hadith other than what your jammat tells you to with their own distorted translations but if you do, I am sure you know the story Omar r.a and when he met a woman boiling water pretending to cook something for her children, these were the Khalifa Rashideen. Not that mardood in a sherwani and kalf aali pug living a life of luxury in cool and comfortable Britain. Same as rulers of Pakistan, aap daal na khaie chicken khaien, while I have billions stashed away.
And once again very skilfully you have dodged and entire post and just nit picked one single point you think you could argue and maybe give a defense for and ignored everything else.
You very simply stated GM said Allah told him he is the Mahdi so you believe it, one is simply to take is word for it, thats why to stop such kadhaabs to claim to be Mahdis a whole set of prophecies were revealed so the true momin can indentify the real Mahdi. And not some snake oil selling lackey of the british govt.
I'm sorry if you find all of this offensive but like the saying goes if the cap fits, wear it.
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