I apologise but ur views seem too biased to me. U said about iranian involvement in terrorism nd killing in Pakistan without any solid proof. On the other side of the picture shia complains about saudi involvment in their genocide but still saudia is our brother and we r paying the price of this brotherhood. If both iran and saudia r involved then it should be dealt accordingly and equally. This is unfair that we close our eyes towards saudia and make noise against iran.
I reject the notion that I am biased only because I have dared to speak out against Iranian plans of regional hegemony and colonization. It is an open fact that ISO has direct links with Iran and funded by them, directly, even before the so-called Khomeinayi inqilaab. There is no debate on this matter because even they are not ashamed of it or bother hiding this fact.
They sing songs and anthems in favour of Khomeini praying that another leader like him comes to this world and even have pictures of him and Khamenei. If you can find at least one such organization that does the same for King Abdullah, is in every school and college of Pakistan (including major ones) and praises him, I would believe your point about Iran and Saudi rivalry in trying to have or maintain influence in Pakistan.
Having pictures of foreign heads of states in this manner, has no other meaning except that they are their stooges and loyal to them. Do our so-called agents in India or Afghanistan have pictures of Jinnah or Iqbal in their organizations or meetings, although, Iqbal makes sense because he was a poet and well-respected among the Muslims there, Jinnah does not.
They make Iqbal day and do other things like celebrate his poetry because he was a common poet for the Muslims of India, pre-partition but if they had pictures of Jinnah, it would automatically mean that they are more loyal to Pakistan than India. Its very simple, brother.
There are about 13 or 14 Iranian consulates and community centers in Pakistan that have diplomatic immunity whilst the Pakistani embassy is the only cultural exchange center allowed there (and the only masjid for the Muslims in Tehran - Momineen close down all Masajid during eid and force them to pray behind Khamenei).
There is nothing hidden in all of these facts and even they display this openly whilst they flaunt their bigotry in our faces. What I said is not a difficult point of view to have when we look at how bigoted they are towards Muslims.
Now, to address your point on Saudia:
The majority of the movements that are apparently anti-Shia are not Saudi-funded for many reasons. Prior to sharing these reasons, I would like to bring your attention to the shooting of a Saudi employee and diplomat in Karachi and five police officers beating up one on an airport. We do not treat them in the manner that you have suggested.
So, now, lets discuss these reasons. Most of the movements that you have alluded to are Deobandi whilst Saudis are ahl-e-hadith slash Salafi and believe in rad-e-hanfiyat. There would be no reason for them to be funding two different groups, simultaneously. Those who are providing us links of Saudi funding terror outfits need to know that the same country and resources have provided us with information that Iran is the biggest sponsor of world terrorism. This is available to everyone and can be accessed by anyone
Hezbollah, Imamia Students Organization (ISO), Moqtada al-Sadr (Mahdi army), Assad (Shabiha), al-Wefaq in Bahrain, etc.
These are not sectarian minded people who are explaining this and neither is that my motivation. These are open facts, available to the entire globe and you can search them, yourself. It is a very easy Iranian strategy to end the conversation by cornering the individual into defending himself from the label of sectarianism, while they are the ones promoting sectarianism, blatantly.
Saudis might have an influence in our politics and might have money coming in but it is very unfortunate that there has been no proof of this, either, except that Nawaz was in Jeddah.
I know Saudis fund religious organizations like al-Huda, etc. and religious preachers. Their main goal is to try and convert Pakistanis into Wahhabi slash Salafi but only 3% have been converted.
Now if we see india is our open rival even we still lick our wound of 1971 war siachen fata involvment baluchistan etc but still we do business with them. Same russia and usa and china and india r doing only for their own interests. Pakistsn is in this crisis from decades and we rely solely on amreekan promises up till now but for how long?? Ur needs r increasing while production is decreasing day by day. Museebat ke waqt gaghay ko bhi baap banana parta hai ye kisi ne wese hi nahi kaha? Aur bhai iraanion ko kiya ***** ku.ttay ne kaata hai ke wese hi logon per bomb barsayengay bilawaja???
India is our open rival, yes, but I have given you so many proofs of Iranians openly saying that they are willing to kill people and they have been killing people.
Why are you turning a blind eye to Iran and accepting their attitude towards Muslims but the attitude that America has, is a problem.
I gave you so many proofs against Iran and their involvement in killings across the globe but it is not acceptable to you. Is this not bias, friend.
Aur haan, yeh baat waazeh hai kay woh kabhi bhi, kisi per bhi bumb barsaanay kay liye tayar ho jaingay sirf yeh keh ker kay humaray imam nay kaha hai.
Iss wajah say to Turkey bhi fikrmand hai kyunkay woh kehtay hain kay humara aik haazir imam hai jo 1000 saal say ghayab hai laikin humsay raabta rakhta hai. Uska raabta qaaim hai Iran kay leaderaan kay saath aur jab chahay woh keh daitay hain kay hum yeh unki khushi kay liye ker rahay hain aur awaam maan laiti hai
Ahmedinejad nay bhi is ka tazkara kiya hai mere bhai aap kaunsi dunya main ji rahay ho?
Yeh bahut khatarnaak falsafa hai kyunkay iss ko koi bhi istemaal ker kay apnay maqaasid kay liye qatl o ghaarat ker sakta hai
Hezbollah, jo kay aik dehshatgard tanzeem hai, uskay leader nay kaha kay hum Mubarak, Gadaffi aur Zine el Abedin ki takhti ulat tay huay dekh sakhtay hain laikin Syria ki nahi. Kyun? Aap samajhdaar aadmi nazar aatay hain, iss liye aap ko zyada samjhana zaruri nahi samajhta
baaki aap 1945 se lekar aaj tak dekh len ke kis ne har jaga apni naak gusaae hai aur kitne logon ko katal kiya hai even hamare liaqat ali khan ke katal mai bhi unka hath hai. Unke ye jaraim record per hain jabke iran ya kisi dosre muslim mumalik ke khilaf sirf propaganda hi hota hai. Agar amreeka ke hathon hathon tabahi ka shikar hone walon ka mawazna kiya jaye to shayed changez khan waghera bhi sharam se paseena choot jaye... Ab aap khud hi dekh lo ke jab hazaron bachon ke kaatil ko aman ka noble inaam mile to aise community mai kiya karain. Aur to aur amreeka ki najayez aulaad kitne palestinion ko shaheed kar chuki hai unke ke paas bhi nukes hain lekin kisi ko koe problem nahi hai. Khud amreeki ye sawal poochte hain ke khud to din ba din duniya ki tabahi ke takarwar se takatwar bomb bana rahe hain to phir dosron ko kyon roktay hain? Amreeka ne jo aslaha india ko farokht kiya wo kis ke khilaaf use hoga? Aur Pakistan ko jo used f16 milay wo bhi almost out dated ho gaye hain
Do you know about the mazaar of Abu Lo Lo Firuz in Iran?
What about the material that they produce and have been trying to sneak into our society in the garb of Islam?
There are always protests against America if a stupid video or cartoon is published but nothing ever happens against Iran, why?
This is very unfair and biased, in my opinion.
In America, including in Washington and on Capitol Hill (their parliament) there is a mosque but what about Iran?
In America, they light the Empire State Building green for Eid and even have Muslim congressman in the Congress.
What about Iran? Only momineen are allowed in their shura and even Jews have seats there but not Muslims.
Here, in Pakistan, we make our legislation using Shia opinion but they never take the opinion of the vast majority of the Muslims, not even in the areas that are majority Muslim and minority Momin like Sistan va Baluchistan.
Even on this site, you can see Iranian propagandists maligning our religious holy figures, and cursing openly but no one takes notice despite the religious sentiments of the vast majority of us being hurt. They say that the Quran was eaten by a goat (nauzobillah).
Why are you silent then and only when America does something, there is an issue, you demand an apology from them and then continue to bash them, anyway?
If Indian sites are banned in Pakistan, why not these Iranian sites and the propaganda material that we see, here. Why is this non-sense allowed?
And, if people speak against it, they are forcibly silenced as sectarian. What kind of society are they trying to create, here?
Can you possibly imagine anything of the sort taking place in an open and religious society like America where there are millions of Muslims living, freely, including the very Palestinians you are so close to. There are Palestinian professors, organizations and population, which is about 5% of entire Palestinian population in Palestine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_American
Now, there are reasons to believe that Iran is a threat to Pakistani existence and all of the points mentioned earlier are not based on pointless propaganda like the comparison with America and Iran possessing a bomb.
i m not a shia nor i m sunni. I m first Muslim then Pakistani and i keep Pakistan first. If saudia and iran both r involved in Pakistan then they must be dealt with iron fist. We should not fall for false propaganda.
Brother, I am saying the same thing, which is why I believe that if you want to put Pakistan first, you have to give up this pipeline drama.
Also, brother, please explain to me, why do people force others to call them Shia if they are Muslim and we are Muslim?
If both of us are content with the basic label of Muslim and do not want to call ourselves anything but, why are there some people who say that no matter what, you have to call us Shia?
This was never the case before the Khomeini inqilaab, please try to understand this very basic issue. If we are all the same, then why pray differently, at different times, why curse holy figures that are meant to be the same, why say that the Quran is not the same?
This is an agenda by the Iranians to divide the Muslims because those who call themselves Shia now, did not bother to do it, before.
Pakistan wahid muslim country hai jis ke paas nukes hain aur shayad yahi aik waja haii Ke Pakistan ka haal afghanistan jesa abhi tak nahi huaa. Agar aap ki nazron se amreeka ki "tashweesh" ke pakistani hathiyar shiddat pasandon ke hath lagne ka khatra hai to phir banda kiya behes kar sakta hai. Agar aap ne amreeki aur israeli dhamkian nahi sunii hamari installations per attack ki to ye baree serious baat hai. Saudia aur iran ki involvement to sirf propaganda hai lekin cia raw mossad Xe/black water to openly involve hain. We should know our real enemy and must fight against and deny this divide and conquer plan of enemies
Mere bhai, yeh baat kaafi waazeh hai aur maine ooper likha bhi hai kay Pakistan kay nukes kabhi bhi ghalat haathon main nahi jaa saktay. Aap nay shayad ghalat parha ya ghalat samjha hai isko kay Pakistani nukes, mere nazdeek, kabhi shiddat pasandon kay haathon main jaa sakaingay.
Maine aapko abhi bataya kay America kay General, Admiral Mullen nay kaha hai kay woh safe hain aur woh kabhi bhi ghalat haaton main nahi jaa saktay aur main iss baat say ittefaaq kerta hun.
Maine kab kaha kay woh unkay haathon main jaa saktay hain
Main yeh keh raha hun kay bhai, Iran to pehlay hi shiddat pasandon kay haath main hai to nuke to unko bilkul bhi nahi milna chahiye hai.
Baqi rahi baat Amreeka ki to maine kabhi nahi inkaar kiya kay unhon nay ghalatian ki hain laikin uss ki aarh main Iran ki aik pitthu riasat ban jana, Iraq and Syria kay manand, nihayat hi ahmaqana soch ka muzahira kernay kay mutaradif hai
