6 SCARY Reasons For Regret On Judgement Day

Khair Andesh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
If the mullahs translation does not interpolate with ahadeeth and Rawayat then it should be fine.
You can use Arabic English lexicon.
آپ کو کیسے پتا لگے کا کہ کوئی ترجمہ کسی حدیث کے ساتھ موافق یا مخالف ہے۔
You can use Arabic English lexicon.
آپ اپنا مذاق اڑوانے کے موڈ میں ہو۔ میں نے کہا کہ اگر کوئی ان پڑھ شخص اردو بھی صحیح سے نہیں جانتا، وہ کیا کرے گا(اور صرف پاکستان میں کڑوڑوں لوگ ایسے موجود ہیں)، اور آپ نے انگلش عربی ڈکشنری کا قصہ چھیڑ دیا۔
ایک شخص جو آٹھ سال دین کی تعلیم حاصل کرتا ہے، اور درجنوں علوم اس حوالے سے پڑھتا ہے، وہ بھی ترجمہ کرنے کا سوچ نہیں سکتا(یہی وجہ ہے کہ لاکھوں علماء ہیں، اور تراجم چند درجن ہوں گے)، اور آپ ڈکشنری پکڑ کر دین سکھنے کا مشورہ دے رہے ہو۔ کیا آپ نے کبھی دیکھا ہے کہ کوئی شخص انگلش دکشنری کے سہارے ڈاکٹر بن گیا ہو؟جب تک کوئی استاد یا رہنمائی کرنے والا نہیں ہو گا، تو آپ نورانی قاعدہ بھی نہیں پڑھ سکتے۔
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
آپ کو کیسے پتا لگے کا کہ کوئی ترجمہ کسی حدیث کے ساتھ موافق یا مخالف ہے۔

آپ اپنا مذاق اڑوانے کے موڈ میں ہو۔ میں نے کہا کہ اگر کوئی ان پڑھ شخص اردو بھی صحیح سے نہیں جانتا، وہ کیا کرے گا(اور صرف پاکستان میں کڑوڑوں لوگ ایسے موجود ہیں)، اور آپ نے انگلش عربی ڈکشنری کا قصہ چھیڑ دیا۔
ایک شخص جو آٹھ سال دین کی تعلیم حاصل کرتا ہے، اور درجنوں علوم اس حوالے سے پڑھتا ہے، وہ بھی ترجمہ کرنے کا سوچ نہیں سکتا(یہی وجہ ہے کہ لاکھوں علماء ہیں، اور تراجم چند درجن ہوں گے)، اور آپ ڈکشنری پکڑ کر دین سکھنے کا مشورہ دے رہے ہو۔ کیا آپ نے کبھی دیکھا ہے کہ کوئی شخص انگلش دکشنری کے سہارے ڈاکٹر بن گیا ہو؟جب تک کوئی استاد یا رہنمائی کرنے والا نہیں ہو گا، تو آپ نورانی قاعدہ بھی نہیں پڑھ سکتے۔
Do whatever suits you. The Muslims needs to use thier God given intellect to verify things from right to wrong.
A mullah does not preach you from the Quran but he mixes it with fairy tales and Rawayat. If this sort of Islam suits you then by all means follow the mullah and his counterfeit Islam.
 

Khair Andesh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Do whatever suits you. The Muslims needs to use thier God given intellect to verify things from right to wrong.
A mullah does not preach you from the Quran but he mixes it with fairy tales and Rawayat. If this sort of Islam suits you then by all means follow the mullah and his counterfeit Islam.
غالبا ایک دوسری جگہ آپ نے اعتراف کیا کہ اپ کو عربی نہیں آتی۔ پھر آپ کو کیسے پتا لگتا ہے کہ کوئی بات قرآن میں لکھی ہے، اور کون سی بات ملا کی اپنی گھڑی ہوئی ہے؟
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
غالبا ایک دوسری جگہ آپ نے اعتراف کیا کہ اپ کو عربی نہیں آتی۔ پھر آپ کو کیسے پتا لگتا ہے کہ کوئی بات قرآن میں لکھی ہے، اور کون سی بات ملا کی اپنی گھڑی ہوئی ہے؟
Read the Quran and compare it to what mullah is saying it is not really that hard.
Even if he gives the reference from the Quran you should still verify it.
 

Wake Up Pakistan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Doesn't matter what i read just start from any translation.
Problem is majority will argue in vain without evrn reading the hadeeth leave alone the Quran.
Be honest to yourself have you read the Quran with translation? Hsve you read all 6 books of ahadees? I guarantee you haven't.
You have not answered my simple question.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
You have not answered my simple question.
You don't have any legitimate questions.
Bedides im not here to spoon feed everyone.
If after watching the above video and you still believe what that mullah is saying is correct then you need to rethink where you have been wrong all along.
 

Wake Up Pakistan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You don't have any legitimate questions.
Bedides im not here to spoon feed everyone.
If after watching the above video and you still believe what that mullah is saying is correct then you need to rethink where you have been wrong all along.
BHAI I WANT TO LISTEN YOUR CORRECT VERSION TO GET SOME KNOWLEDGE

I KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE DONT EVEN ACCEPT HOLY QURAN WORD BY WORD

LIKE QADIYANS DONT BELIEVE ON AYAT OF "Khatam an-Nabiyyin"

THATS WHY ASKED YOU SIMPLE QUESTION WHOSE

EXPLANATION OF TRANSLATION OF HOLY QURAN DO YOU READ OR RECITE
 

GreenMaple

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
samjha naheee
You were in a dialogue with this other member and wanted him to respond on this issue. All I am saying that forget about him: just do your own research and go straight to the source. Anyway I am signing out after this. Thanks.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
BHAI I WANT TO LISTEN YOUR CORRECT VERSION TO GET SOME KNOWLEDGE

I KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE DONT EVEN ACCEPT HOLY QURAN WORD BY WORD

LIKE QADIYANS DONT BELIEVE ON AYAT OF "Khatam an-Nabiyyin"

THATS WHY ASKED YOU SIMPLE QUESTION WHOSE

EXPLANATION OF TRANSLATION OF HOLY QURAN DO YOU READ OR RECITE
Brother as i said you can pick up any translation to start with. Just get yourselves an Arabic English lexicon.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
BHAI I WANT TO LISTEN YOUR CORRECT VERSION TO GET SOME KNOWLEDGE

I KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE DONT EVEN ACCEPT HOLY QURAN WORD BY WORD

LIKE QADIYANS DONT BELIEVE ON AYAT OF "Khatam an-Nabiyyin"

THATS WHY ASKED YOU SIMPLE QUESTION WHOSE

EXPLANATION OF TRANSLATION OF HOLY QURAN DO YOU READ OR RECITE
That is where people don't agree with me as i do not believe in any sect may it be Shia sunni wahabi deobandi barelvi qadiani etc.
Our Nabi pbuh was just Muslim.
His job was to deliver the message of Allah through the Quran only.
 

Wake Up Pakistan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
That is where people don't agree with me as i do not believe in any sect may it be Shia sunni wahabi deobandi barelvi qadiani etc.
Our Nabi pbuh was just Muslim.
His job was to deliver the message of Allah through the Quran only.
Wahabi Doebandi Bareli is not sec they are all different School of thoughts May be some Wahhabis are too extreme because they don't study same as deoband and braeli

Shia to some extent is School of thought except some of Shia sections like Alvis etc

Qadayani is not Islamic sect they are minority and have different belief

Please make sure you know what you are talking about.

Islam is not just Muslims its a Way of Life and offers Complete Socio economic justice Systems which is Given by Holy Quran Sunna and Aqadeesay Rasoool SAW

which unfortunately We muslims don't Follow
 

Wake Up Pakistan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You were in a dialogue with this other member and wanted him to respond on this issue. All I am saying that forget about him: just do your own research and go straight to the source. Anyway I am signing out after this. Thanks.
I M TOO NAIVE TO DO ANY RESEARCH UNTIL I STUDY SOMEWHERE

ITS SAME LIKE YOU STUDY IN COLLGE OR UNIVERSITY

DEEN IS SAME YOU HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY (MADRASSAS) TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE ITS NOT THAT EASY
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
I M TOO NAIVE TO DO ANY RESEARCH UNTIL I STUDY SOMEWHERE

ITS SAME LIKE YOU STUDY IN COLLGE OR UNIVERSITY

DEEN IS SAME YOU HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY (MADRASSAS) TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE ITS NOT THAT EASY
It is easy only mullahs have made it difficult.
With its information age, you can get lots of material online.
.
 

Wake Up Pakistan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It is easy only mullahs have made it difficult.
With its information age, you can get lots of material online.
.
THEN BETTER U DONT GO TO SCHOOL AND COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY AND JUST STAY HOME AND BECOME PHD DOCTOR OR SCIENTIST IS IT POSSIBLE? AND THEN U WILL GET JOB ? WAOOOO U R BILL GATES GENIUS I AM NOT

DEEEN IS SAME ONLINE MATERIAL WONT HELP MUCH

U NEED TO GO TO ISLAMIC COLLEGE SCHOOL UNIVERSITY AND STUDY FROM TEACHERS
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Wahabi Doebandi Bareli is not sec they are all different School of thoughts May be some Wahhabis are too extreme because they don't study same as deoband and braeli

Shia to some extent is School of thought except some of Shia sections like Alvis etc

Qadayani is not Islamic sect they are minority and have different belief

Please make sure you know what you are talking about.

Islam is not just Muslims its a Way of Life and offers Complete Socio economic justice Systems which is Given by Holy Quran Sunna and Aqadeesay Rasoool SAW

which unfortunately We muslims don't Follow
What I mentioned is are all sects or maslaks whatever you want to call it they all are not found in the Quran and Nabi was none of them just Muslim.
Last time just go through any translation start somewhere. You can search thousands of information on the net.
The Quran is a complete and detailed book so we don't need an outside source to understand it. People have made it into mazhab but in fact, it is a complete code of life.
 

Citizen X

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Let me interject my 2 cents into this conversation, we as Muslims should know about these things but my objection is this methodology of preaching the deen that if you don't do this and this and this you will end up in hell and all these bad things will happen to you.

It should be about how beautiful and wonderful Islam is and making people want to do good deeds for the sake of the creators happiness and wanting to be a better person in this life and look forward to its reward in the hear after.

I remember after reading the entire Quran with word for word translation and tafsir followed by reading and then finishing the entire Sahih Bhukari and I mean all the volumes cover to cover. I felt it was almost impossible for even the worst or the worst Muslim to end up in hell because of all the love, compassion and mercy endowed upon us is massive. And there a so so so many ways in which Allah is willing and does forgives us again and again for our wrong doings.

And while we are on the topic of Hadith

CHAI THERE ARE LOTS OF AHADDES WHCH IS CALLED AHADEESAY QUDSI THT HUKAM FROM ALLAH

AND ONLY THOSE AHADEES WILL BE CONSIDERED NOT AUTHENTIC IF IT CONTRADICT WITH HOLY QURAN

PLEASE DONT SPREAD WRONG IDEAS

There is no such thing as Hadith al qudsi, all of Allah s.w.t commands and what he wanted to say to us is in the Quran, if it's not in the Quran, then nauzbillah the Prophet didn't do his job properly of relaying Allah's message . The problem we take the Hadith and sunnah as one and also we take the Hadith as holy scripture as in word of God. Hadith does not add anything to the Quran and it doesn't take anything away from the Quran and in the end of the day is work of man and there is always room for error.

The hadith is more or less a record of the times and life of the Prophet s.a.w. How he lived, what were his likes and dislikes, how he interacted with people, how he interacted with his friends and family, how he carried out his duties, how he went about his daily life. And is an invaluable source for us to know our beloved Prophet

Problem is our clergy has turned every word of hadith as a strict commandment to be followed when that is clearly not the case. For example lets take the most talked about subject. The beard, there is absolutely no obligation for a Muslim to keep a beard, but if he chooses to out of love for the Prophet because he also had one, then there is no harm in it either. But some of our clergy has turned into something like a basic tenet of Islam that a Muslim male MUST have a beard.
 

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