مرزائیوں کو اقلیتی حقوق دینے کے حکومتی فیصلہ پر اسلام پسندوں کا نکتہ نظر

Oldwish

Senator (1k+ posts)

کیا اہلحدیث مسلمان ہیں؟
بریلوی کہتے ہیں اہلحدیث نجدی ہیں اور توہینِ رسالت کی بنیاد پر کافر ہیں۔
دیوبندی مسلمان ہیں؟
اکابر بریلوی علما کے مطابق گستاخ رسول ہونے کی وجہ سے دیوبندی بھی کافر ہیں
بریلوی مسلمان ہیں؟
اہلحدیث و دیوبندی علماء متفق ہیں کہ بریلوی قبر پرست کافر مشرک ہیں
شیعہ مسلمان ہیں؟
گستاخ صحابہ ہونے کی وجہ سے وہ بھی کافر ہیں

مذکورہ بالا سارے کافر متفق ہیں کہ مرزائی کافر ہیں یعنی سارے "کفار" نے اکثریت کے بل بوتے پر ایک اقلیت کو کافر قرار دلوا رکھا ہے۔ ستم بلائے ستم یہ کہ مرزائی کہتے ہیں سارے غیر احمدی کافر ہیں۔
کمال کا تماشا ہے یہ تماشے کا کمال ہے؟

These are our issues, ummahs issues.
It's not qadinies business. You stick to your Mirza.
 

Oldwish

Senator (1k+ posts)
I dont know why an issue is being created here.

Q) Are qadianis non muslims?
A) Yes

If they are non muslim than they will come under minorities just like Hindus, Sikhs and Christians. So what exactly is the problem here? If they dont come under minorities than in which category do we put them?

Some people keep saying that qadiyanis don't call themselves non muslims but that doesnt change anything. They are still non muslims and should be treated like non muslims.
I can only admire your innocence if its really innocence.
If you heard ibtesam Elahi sahib he already answer your question.
Counterfeit, 2 number, fake etc products are not accepted.
 

Oldwish

Senator (1k+ posts)
پہلے احمدیوں سے تو پوچھ لو کہ وہ اس کمیشن کا حصہ بھی بنیں گے یا نہیں ۔ یہ حکومتی فیصلہ ہے احمدیوں کا نہیں اس لئے تمام سرکاری مسلمانوں سے گذارش ہے کہ اپنا وقت ضائع نہ کریں اور خوامخواہ اس بحث میں نہ پڑھیں
You are absolutely right. This is what we are talking about. These qadianies dont accept them as non muslims . The government knows this and has given them a green light to damage what ever is left of Pakistan.
 

Oldwish

Senator (1k+ posts)
they are human beings...they needed their rights
well done to them pm
They are a counterfeit, 2 number, fake brand. They can not be allowed as a product of same value. No one says they are not humans.
Are you sleep walking or brain dead? Christian's, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists etc are accepted as minorities without any objection! Right? If you dont understand this then do ask an adult.
 

taban

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
bcoz u r waiting for a one Prophet.
تمہاری سوچ اور کم علمی پہ افسوس ہی کیا جا سکتا ہے اپنی اسلام دشمنی سے باہر نکل کر اسلام کے بارے میں صیح معلومات حاصل کرو
 

ts_rana

Minister (2k+ posts)
تمہاری سوچ اور کم علمی پہ افسوس ہی کیا جا سکتا ہے اپنی اسلام دشمنی سے باہر نکل کر اسلام کے بارے میں صیح معلومات حاصل کرو

Khuda behtar janta hai ke kon dushman hai aur kon nahi aur ham apne muamlat khuda per hi chorte hain.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
mirza sb ka khudaa ki taraf se nabuwwat ke milne ka dawaa jhoota tha. agar sacha hota to us ka aaj bhi koi saboot hota magar nahin hai. ye dawa bilkul ussi tarah jhoota saabit kiya jaa sakta hai jaise deegar mazaahib ke bebunyaad dawe keh woh khudaa ki taraf se hen.

is liye keh un ke paas quraan jaisi koi kitaab hi nahin hai. agarche qadiyani hazraat quraan ko maanane ka dawa karte hen magar quraan to mirza sb per nahin utaara gayaa woh to un ki paidaash se be bahot pehle ka is duniya main mojood hai.

mirza sb per kon si wahee utri zaraa woh to qadiyani hazraat khudaa ka kalaam saabit karen. issi baat per faisla ho jaata hai keh mirza sb sache the apane dawe main ya jhoote.

quraan ko maanane ka dawa kerne waala koi aik shakhs bhi agar dawae nabuwwat kare to woh us ko kabhi saabit ker hi nahin sakta. ye hai quraan ki sachayee ka jeeta jaagta saboot keh keh ye khudaa ka naazil karda hai.

For a detailed explanation of things about the quran, deen of islam and pakistan see HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE.


No doubt, we all must judge opinions of each other to come to realise what is actually true and what is actually right. However before we do that we must learn the quran properly ourselves or shooting at each other in the dark is in no way any service to the mission assigned by the quran.
 
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Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

کیا اہلحدیث مسلمان ہیں؟
بریلوی کہتے ہیں اہلحدیث نجدی ہیں اور توہینِ رسالت کی بنیاد پر کافر ہیں۔
دیوبندی مسلمان ہیں؟
اکابر بریلوی علما کے مطابق گستاخ رسول ہونے کی وجہ سے دیوبندی بھی کافر ہیں
بریلوی مسلمان ہیں؟
اہلحدیث و دیوبندی علماء متفق ہیں کہ بریلوی قبر پرست کافر مشرک ہیں
شیعہ مسلمان ہیں؟
گستاخ صحابہ ہونے کی وجہ سے وہ بھی کافر ہیں

مذکورہ بالا سارے کافر متفق ہیں کہ مرزائی کافر ہیں یعنی سارے "کفار" نے اکثریت کے بل بوتے پر ایک اقلیت کو کافر قرار دلوا رکھا ہے۔ ستم بلائے ستم یہ کہ مرزائی کہتے ہیں سارے غیر احمدی کافر ہیں۔
کمال کا تماشا ہے یہ تماشے کا کمال ہے؟


azeezam behnam sb, is duniya main sirf aur sirf wohee shakhs asal musalmaan hai jo dil se haq ya sach ki talaash main hai aur us ko paane ke liye apni taraf se poori poori mehnat karta hai apni khudadaad salahiyatoon ke mutaabiq. baaqi sab apne apne gumaan main musalmaan hen warna aaj insaanu ki is duniya main ye haalat na hoti agar woh quraan ko theek tarah se samajh ker us per amal ker rahe hote.

regards and all the best.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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azeezam karachi waala sb, baghair daleel ke kisi baat ko maanana ya na maanana dono baaten quraan ki roshni main ghalat maloom hoti hen. quraan khud bhi dalaail deta hai aur doosrun se bhi dalaail maangta hai aur logon ko un baatun se door rehne ko kehta hai jin ka un ko ilm na ho jab tak un ka ilm woh haasil na kar len. lihaaza quran ki roshni main zaroori hai jo jiye daleel se jiye aur jo mare daleel se mare. in baatun ke mutaliq poochha jaaye ga.

regards and all the best.
 

debugz

Citizen
The nation where a 'sarkari musalman' moulvi calls the entire nation as besharam, bahaya, chor, badmaash, haram khor, is out in force to label other groups as good or bad Muslims or even if someone is a Muslim. If one looks at deeds, then majority of this jaahil nation is in fact non Muslim.
Rahi baat khatme nabuwat ki, to jakar apnay moulvioun kay ustadon ki kitabein parho jis mein woh bhi yehi opinion rakhtay hein ke khatam ka maina Urdu wala akhri/khatam nahin hai.
Bhai Logo. Pehli hi Allah ka azaab sar par hai. Aur apni jahalat say Allah ko naraz na karo key jis baat ka ilm nahin, us kay baray mein behas mein paro.
 

Oldwish

Senator (1k+ posts)
The nation where a 'sarkari musalman' moulvi calls the entire nation as besharam, bahaya, chor, badmaash, haram khor, is out in force to label other groups as good or bad Muslims or even if someone is a Muslim. If one looks at deeds, then majority of this jaahil nation is in fact non Muslim.
Rahi baat khatme nabuwat ki, to jakar apnay moulvioun kay ustadon ki kitabein parho jis mein woh bhi yehi opinion rakhtay hein ke khatam ka maina Urdu wala akhri/khatam nahin hai.
Bhai Logo. Pehli hi Allah ka azaab sar par hai. Aur apni jahalat say Allah ko naraz na karo key jis baat ka ilm nahin, us kay baray mein behas mein paro.
Regardless of sarkari or ghair sarkari, regardless of azab or no azab qadianies are non muslims. Mirza was a kizzab a lair.
 

arafay

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Regardless of sarkari or ghair sarkari, regardless of azab or no azab qadianies are non muslims. Mirza was a kizzab a lair.

ok mirza is a liar but what do govt do with his followers in pakistan?
1) Kill them all?
2) Throw them out of pakistan?
3) Treat them as non muslims?

Clearly any sane Muslim would go with 3rd option.
 

Oldwish

Senator (1k+ posts)
ok mirza is a liar but what do govt do with his followers in pakistan?
1) Kill them all?
2) Throw them out of pakistan?
3) Treat them as non muslims?

Clearly any sane Muslim would go with 3rd option.
No, leave them alone. Don't give them a free hand to enter every institution openly.
Obviously no one is going to treat them as muslims and that's been declared almost 50 years ago. No need to dance again.
 

Oldwish

Senator (1k+ posts)
And you are God's appointed representative? Lagay raho apni isi jahalat mein.
That's a stupid statement, I guess you are frustrated.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know some one claiming to be a prophet after Muhammad PBUH is a kafir.
 

debugz

Citizen
That's a stupid statement, I guess you are frustrated.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know some one claiming to be a prophet after Muhammad PBUH is a kafir.
Frustration aap logon mein hai. Jo marzi karlo aap log, Jo bhi apnay aap ko Musalmaan kahay ga usay jaahil moulvi types kabhi kafir nahin bana saktay. Yeh Allah ka faisla hai kon Muslim hai aur kon nahin.
Ahmadis are in fact accepted everywhere as Muslims, they go for Hajj and Umrah, and are growing in large numbers even in Arab countries where people have begun to wake up and question the absurd claims made by jaahil moulvis, giving up the silly interpretations of Islam and shunning the extremist ideologies like kafir this, kafir that and seeing what happens when they follow 'sarkari muslaman moulvis' in the form of daesh/isis. I guess it hurts you given how much hatred you have but you can't escape from the facts.
 

debugz

Citizen
A big and ever growing number of Muslims, including me do not believe in this. What about us then.
It's up to you what to believe in. No one has the right to say that you are not allowed to believe in whatever you want to believe in. That is the issue. It's not about who is going to heaven or hell or right or wrong or if someone is Muslim or not. That's for God alone to decide.
The sad thing is that the very people who are rotten to the core in terms of their deeds have the gall to deem others non Muslim.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
It's up to you what to believe in. No one has the right to say that you are not allowed to believe in whatever you want to believe in. That is the issue. It's not about who is going to heaven or hell or right or wrong or if someone is Muslim or not. That's for God alone to decide.
The sad thing is that the very people who are rotten to the core in terms of their deeds have the gall to deem others non Muslim.
That's rich coming from a people who don't consider us as Muslims.
 

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