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To an Atheist, you can only prove the existence of Allah through Qur'an

To an Atheist, you can only prove the existence of Allah through Qur'an. If it is word of God then you cannot find any contradiction in it. Let’s list below some scientific facts mentioned in Qur’an 1400 year ago, while those facts were known and proved scientifically recently within few years to few hundred years. Only creator of thsi Universe would know the answer 1400 years ago.

There may be some verses in Qur’an which may be confusing only because of mis-interpretation by humans or lack of our knowledge. Our job is to search for the correct translation.

Big Bang theory:

(Qur'an 21:30) أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ​

Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?

کیا منکروں نے نہیں دیکھا کہ آسمان اور زمین جڑے ہوئے تھے پھر ہم نے انھیں جدا جدا کر دیا اورہم نے ہر جاندار چیز کو پانی سے بنایا کیا پھر بھی یقین نہیں کرتے
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Earth has Geoid shape:

(Qur'an 79:30) وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَ*ٰلِكَ دَحَاهَا​

After that He smoothed out the earth.

اور اس کے بعد زمین کو بچھا دیا
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In the above verse, the word "daha" is used in the original Arabic. It, translated as "smoothed out," comes from the word "dahv," meaning "to spread." Although the word "dahv" also means to cover or to set out, the meaning of the verb is more than just a prosaic setting out, since it describes setting out in a circle.

The concept of roundness is also present in other words derived from "dahv." For example, the word "dahv" also refers to children dropping a ball into a hole in the ground, games involving throwing stones into holes and games played with walnuts. Words derived from that root are also used for an ostrich making a nest, cleaning stones from where it is about to lie down, the place where it lays its eggs and the egg itself.
Indeed, the Earth is round, in a manner reminiscent of an egg. The slightly flattened spherical shape of the Earth is known as geoid. From that point of view, the use of the word "daha" contains important information about the shape that Allah has given to the Earth. For hundreds of years, people imagined the Earth to be completely flat and only learned the truth thanks to technology. Yet, this fact was revealed in the Qur'an fourteen centuries ago.

Sun revolves around its axis:
The sun certainly does rotate - it has a rotational period of about 25 days. This is apparent if you have ever used a telescope to project images of the sun onto a piece of white card so that you can see the sunspots. If you do this over several days, the sunspots appear to move across the face of the sun. Not only does the sun rotate, but it also orbits the centre of our galaxy, completing one orbit every 226 million years or so. source

(Qur'an 21:33) وَهُوَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ اللَّيْلَ وَالنَّهَارَ وَالشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ ۖ كُلٌّ فِي فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ​

And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit.

اور وہی ہے جس نے رات اور دن اور سورج اور چاند بنائے سب اپنے اپنے چکر میں پھرتے ہیں
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(Qur'an 36:40) لَا الشَّمْسُ يَنبَغِي لَهَا أَن تُدْرِكَ الْقَمَرَ وَلَا اللَّيْلُ سَابِقُ النَّهَارِ ۚ وَكُلٌّ فِي فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ​

It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.

نہ سورج کی مجال ہے ہ چاند کو جا پکڑے اور نہ رات ہی دن سے پہلے آ سکتی ہے اور ہر ایک ایک آسمان میں تیرتا پھرتا ہے
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These 2 verses clearly state the existence of the Sun's and Moon's orbit and rotation (36:40), plus a reference is made to the traveling of ALL celestial bodies in space with their own motion: i.e. rotation (yasbahuna ) as they travel in a "falak" celestial sphere/orbit (21:33).

Universe is expending:

(Qur'an 51:47) وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ​

And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.

اور ہم نے آسمان کو قدرت سے بنایا اور ہم وسیع قدرت رہنے والے ہیں
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Allah will restore even the finger impressions

(Qur'an 75:4) بَلَىٰ قَادِرِينَ عَلَىٰ أَن نُّسَوِّيَ بَنَانَهُ​

We certainly have the power to restore them even the very tips of their finger

ہاں ہم تو اس پر قادر ہیں کہ اس کی پور پور درست کر دیں
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Plants have male and females :

(Qur'an 13:3) وَهُوَ الَّذِي مَدَّ الْأَرْضَ وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَأَنْهَارًا ۖ وَمِن كُلِّ الثَّمَرَاتِ جَعَلَ
فِيهَا زَوْجَيْنِ اثْنَيْنِ ۖ يُغْشِي اللَّيْلَ النَّهَارَ ۚ إِنَّ فِي ذَ*ٰلِكَ لَآيَاتٍ لِّقَوْمٍ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ
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And He it is Who spread out the earth and placed therein firm hills and flowing streams, and of all fruits He placed therein two spouses (male and female). He covereth the night with the day. Lo! herein verily are portents for people who take thought.

اور اسی نے زمین کو پھیلایا اور اس میں پہاڑاور دریا بنائے اور زمین میں ہر ایک پھل دوقسم کا

بنایا دن کو رات سے چھپا دیتا ہے بے شک اس میں سوچنے والوں کے لیے نشانیاں ہیں
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Water cycle in Qur'an:

(Qur'an 15:22) وَأَرْسَلْنَا الرِّيَاحَ لَوَاقِحَ فَأَنزَلْنَا مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مَاءً فَأَسْقَيْنَاكُمُوهُ وَمَا أَنتُمْ لَهُ بِخَازِنِينَ​

And We send the winds fertilizing, then send down water from the cloud so We give it to you to drink of, nor is it you who store it up.
اور ہم نے بادل اٹھانے والی ہوائیں بھیجیں پھر ہم نے آسمان سے پانی نازل کیا پھر وہ تمہیں پلایا اور تمہارے پاس اس کا خزانہ نہیں ہے

(Qur'an 24:43) أَلَمْ تَرَ أَنَّ اللَّهَ يُزْجِي سَحَابًا ثُمَّ يُؤَلِّفُ بَيْنَهُ ثُمَّ يَجْعَلُهُ رُكَامًا فَتَرَى الْوَدْقَ يَخْرُجُ مِنْ خِلَالِهِ وَيُنَزِّلُ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مِن جِبَالٍ فِيهَا مِن بَرَدٍ فَيُصِيبُ بِهِ مَن يَشَاءُ وَيَصْرِفُهُ عَن مَّن يَشَاءُ ۖ يَكَادُ سَنَا بَرْقِهِ يَذْهَبُ بِالْأَبْصَارِ​

Do you not see that Allah drives along the clouds, then gathers them together, then piles them up, so that you see the rain coming forth from their midst? And He sends down of the clouds that are (like) mountains wherein is hail, afflicting therewith whom He pleases and turning it away from whom He pleases; the flash of His lightning almost takes away the sight.

کیا تو نے نہیں دیکھا الله ہی بادل کو چلاتا ہے پھر اسے ملاتا ہے پھر اسے تہہ بر تہہ کرتا ہے پھر تو بارش کو دیکھتا ہے کہ اس کے بیچ میں سے نکلتی ہے اور آسمان سے جو ان میں اولوں کے پہاڑ ہیں ان میں سے اولے برساتا ہے پھر انہیں جس پر چاہتا ہے گراتا ہے اور جس سے چاہتا ہے روک لیتا ہے قریب ہے کہ اس کی بجلی کی چمک آنکھوں کو لے جائے
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(Qur'an 30:48) اللَّهُ الَّذِي يُرْسِلُ الرِّيَاحَ فَتُثِيرُ سَحَابًا فَيَبْسُطُهُ فِي السَّمَاءِ كَيْفَ يَشَاءُ وَيَجْعَلُهُ كِسَفًا فَتَرَى الْوَدْقَ يَخْرُجُ مِنْ خِلَالِهِ ۖ فَإِذَا أَصَابَ بِهِ مَن يَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ إِذَا هُمْ يَسْتَبْشِرُونَ​

Allah is he Who sends forth the winds so they raise a cloud, then He spreads it forth in the sky as He pleases, and He breaks it up so that you see the rain coming forth from inside it; then when He causes it to fall upon whom He pleases of His servants, lo! they are joyful
الله وہ ہے جو ہوائیں چلاتا ہے پھر وہ بادل کو اٹھاتی ہیں پھر اسے آسمان میں جس طرح چاہے پھیلا دیتا ہےاور اسے ٹکڑے ٹکڑے کر دیتا ہے پھر تو مینہ کو دیکھے گا کہ اس کے اندر سے نکلتا ہے پھر جب اسے اپنے بندوں میں سے جسے چاہتا ہے پہنچاتا ہے تو وہ خوش ہو جاتے ہیںپھر جب اسے اپنے بندوں میں سے جسے چاہتا ہے پہنچاتا ہے تو وہ خوش ہو جاتے ہیں
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Animals and Birds live in communities like humans do:

(Qur'an 6:38) وَمَا مِن دَابَّةٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ وَلَا طَائِرٍ يَطِيرُ بِجَنَاحَيْهِ إِلَّا أُمَمٌ أَمْثَالُكُم ۚ مَّا فَرَّطْنَا فِي الْكِتَابِ مِن شَيْءٍ ۚ ثُمَّ إِلَىٰ رَبِّهِمْ يُحْشَرُونَ​

There is not an animal (that lives) on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, but (forms part of) communities like you. Nothing have we omitted from the Book, and they (all) shall be gathered to their Lord in the end.

اور کوئی چلنے والا زمین میں نہیں اور نہ کوئی پرندہ کہ اپنے دوبازؤں سے اڑ تا ہے مگر یہ تمہاری ہی طرح کی جماعتیں ہیں ہم نے ان کی تقدیر کےلکھنے میں کوئی کسرنہیں چھوڑی پھر سب اپنے رب کے سامنے جمع کیے جائیں گے
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The moon has reflected light:

(Qur'an 25:61) تَبَارَكَ الَّذِي جَعَلَ فِي السَّمَاءِ بُرُوجًا وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا سِرَاجًا وَقَمَرًا مُّنِيرً​

Blessed is He who has placed in the sky great stars and placed therein a lamp (Sun) and luminous moon.

بڑا برکت والا ہے وہ جس نے آسمان میں ستارے بنائے اور اس میں چراغ اور چمکتا ہوا چاند بھی بنایا
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Luminous (Scientific meaning): relating to light as it is perceived by the eye, rather than in terms of its actual energy. source


Little knowledge of science make you an atheist and in depth knowledge of Science make you a believer.
The first step for an atheist is to recognize that there is God (Allah).

 

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Re: To an Atheist, you can only prove the existence of Allah through Qur'an

To an Atheist, you can only prove the existence of Allah through Qur'an. If it is word of God then you cannot find any contradiction in it. Let’s list below some scientific facts mentioned in Qur’an 1400 year ago, while those facts were known and proved scientifically recently within few years to few hundred years.
There may be some verses in Qur’an which may be confusing only because of mis-interpretation by humans or lack of our knowledge. Your job is to search for the correct translation.

Big Bang theory:
(Qur'an 21:30) أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ
Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?
کیا منکروں نے نہیں دیکھا کہ آسمان اور زمین جڑے ہوئے تھے پھر ہم نے انھیں جدا جدا کر دیا اورہم نے ہر جاندار چیز کو پانی سے بنایا کیا پھر بھی یقین نہیں کرتے
نہ سورج کی مجال ہے ہ چاند کو جا پکڑے اور نہ رات ہی دن سے پہلے آ سکتی ہے اور ہر ایک ایک آسمان میں تیرتا پھرتا ہے

These 2 verses clearly state the existence of the Sun's and Moon's orbit and rotation (36:40), plus a reference is made to the traveling of ALL celestial bodies in space with their own motion: i.e. rotation (yasbahuna ) as they travel in a "falak" celestial sphere/orbit (21:33).

Universe is expending:
(Qur'an 51:47) وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ
And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.
اور ہم نے آسمان کو قدرت سے بنایا اور ہم وسیع قدرت رہنے والے ہیں

Allah will restore even the finger impressions
(Qur'an 75:4) بَلَىٰ قَادِرِينَ عَلَىٰ أَن نُّسَوِّيَ بَنَانَهُ
We certainly have the power to restore them even the very tips of their finger
ہاں ہم تو اس پر قادر ہیں کہ اس کی پور پور درست کر دیں

Plants have male and females :
(Qur'an 13:3) وَهُوَ الَّذِي مَدَّ الْأَرْضَ وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَأَنْهَارًا ۖ وَمِن كُلِّ الثَّمَرَاتِ جَعَلَ
فِيهَا زَوْجَيْنِ اثْنَيْنِ ۖ يُغْشِي اللَّيْلَ النَّهَارَ ۚ إِنَّ فِي ذَ*ٰلِكَ لَآيَاتٍ لِّقَوْمٍ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ
And He it is Who spread out the earth and placed therein firm hills and flowing streams, and of all fruits He placed therein two spouses (male and female). He covereth the night with the day. Lo! herein verily are portents for people who take thought.
اور اسی نے زمین کو پھیلایا اور اس میں پہاڑاور دریا بنائے اور زمین میں ہر ایک پھل دوقسم کا
بنایا دن کو رات سے چھپا دیتا ہے بے شک اس میں سوچنے والوں کے لیے نشانیاں ہیں

Luminous (Scientific meaning): relating to light as it is perceived by the eye, rather than in terms of its actual energy. source


Little knowledge of science make you an atheist and in depth knowledge of Science make you a believer.
The first step for an atheist is to recognize that there is God (Allah).

If you can find this copy and paste job on internet then surely you would discover all the refutation of these so called Scientific Miracle on net as well, try these as well, you will feel much better. You are right, little knowledge is dangerous, there is no Science in Quran, its not a Book of Science so its beyond comprehension that why people like you try to find just anything suiting their agendas.

The highlighted text above is just another example of lack of knowledge from believers like you, have you ever studied a decent Science Book then you would know there are plants which do not have sexual pairs, and by the way what is this Male and female pairs mentioned in Quran any way? Have you read the original Arabic words in Quran? Please tell what are they and what they mean.

"Asexual reproduction

Asexual reproduction needs only one parent, unlike sexual reproduction, which needs two parents. Since there is only one parent, there is no fusion of gametes and no mixing of genetic information. As a result, the offspring are genetically identical to the parent and to each other. They are clones.
[h=2]Plants[/h]Asexual reproduction in plants can take a number of forms. Many plants develop underground food storage organs that later develop into the following year's plants. Potato plants and daffodil plants do this, for example.

A daffodil bulb at the beginning and end of the growing season, with a lateral bud where the new plant will grow"

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"Asexual reproduction

Asexual reproduction needs only one parent, unlike sexual reproduction, which needs two parents. Since there is only one parent, there is no fusion of gametes and no mixing of genetic information. As a result, the offspring are genetically identical to the parent and to each other. They are clones.
Plants



Source

"Most plants are hermaphrodite (having both male and female sexual characteristics), even if some of them (hazel, for example) keep their male and female flowers apart. But some plants are dioecious, i.e. they have separate sexes. Some of our most familiar wild plants, such as nettle and red campion, are dioecious. If your holly never has any berries, that's probably because it's a male. source "

Brother, you are missing the point. First of all Qur'an is not Book of Science hence you can not expect full scientific explanations on different issues. The reason to list some of the scientific facts (general facts) mentioned in Qur'an while talking to an Atheist is that he / she would not believe anything but has been proved scientifically correct. If Qur'an was not word of God (Allah) then we would find many contradiction in it. So whatever scientific (general only) information is provided in Qur'an is now being verified (proved correct) by Science.

Regarding "Asexual reproduction of plants", it was recently found that plants also have gender (male and female), in general, 1400 years ago there was no concept of gender in plants "at all" but Allah "hinted" (not revealed full scientific thesis) this phenomenon in Qur'an 1400 years ago. If you see the old translation of Qur'an this "gender thing in plants" was not mentioned as nobody could conceive the meaning at that time. It was after the discovery of gender in plants, current translator are able to translate this verse in a better way.

 

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"Most plants are hermaphrodite (having both male and female sexual characteristics), even if some of them (hazel, for example) keep their male and female flowers apart. But some plants are dioecious, i.e. they have separate sexes. Some of our most familiar wild plants, such as nettle and red campion, are dioecious. If your holly never has any berries, that's probably because it's a male. source "

Brother, you are missing the point. First of all Qur'an is not Book of Science hence you can not expect full scientific explanations on different issues. The reason to list some of the scientific facts (general facts) mentioned in Qur'an while talking to an Atheist is that he / she would not believe anything but has been proved scientifically correct. If Qur'an was not word of God (Allah) then we would find many contradiction in it. So whatever scientific (general only) information is provided in Qur'an is now being verified (proved correct) by Science.

Regarding "Asexual reproduction of plants", it was recently found that plants also have gender (male and female), in general, 1400 years ago there was no concept of gender in plants "at all" but Allah "hinted" (not revealed full scientific thesis) this phenomenon in Qur'an 1400 years ago. If you see the old translation of Qur'an this "gender thing in plants" was not mentioned as nobody could conceive the meaning at that time. It was after the discovery of gender in plants, current translator are able to translate this verse in a better way.

I know fully my dear what Quran says on this topic, its clear that according to Quran everything produced on Earth was created in Pairs, yet I have shown you that there are plants which do not have any pairs!

"Quran 36:36 Glory be to Him, Who has created all the pairs of that which the earth produces, as well as of their own (human) kind (male and female), and of that which they know not."

We know that this statement is not accurate! All the pairs that which the earth produces....???? I can give you many examples of Plants which do not have "Pairs" so should we accept you or Science here?

Come on you could better then this, if you find an error that admit its an error, insisting on it is just ludicrous!

 

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Re: To an Atheist, you can only prove the existence of Allah through Qur'an

I know fully my dear what Quran says on this topic, its clear that according to Quran everything produced on Earth was created in Pairs, yet I have shown you that there are plants which do not have any pairs!

"Quran 36:36 Glory be to Him, Who has created all the pairs of that which the earth produces, as well as of their own (human) kind (male and female), and of that which they know not."

We know that this statement is not accurate! All the pairs that which the earth produces....???? I can give you many examples of Plants which do not have "Pairs" so should we accept you or Science here?

Come on you could better then this, if you find an error that admit its an error, insisting on it is just ludicrous!

I think, my previous post was sufficient to answer your question, it was more general reply though. I have doubt that you even bothered to fully read my previous response. Anyway, I am now giving very specific answer to the question you raised:

1- Everything was made in pairs:

(Qur'an 51:49) وَمِن كُلِّ شَيْءٍ خَلَقْنَا زَوْجَيْنِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَذَكَّرُونَ​

And of all things We created two mates; perhaps you will remember.

اور ہم نے ہی ہر چیز کا جوڑا پیدا کیا تاکہ تم غور کرو
​

2- All plants are made in pairs, or made/born/created from pairs: (ومن كل الثمرات جعل فيها زوجين اثنين).

(Qur'an 13:3) وَهُوَ الَّذِي مَدَّ الْأَرْضَ وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَأَنْهَارًا ۖ وَمِن كُلِّ الثَّمَرَاتِ جَعَلَ فِيهَا زَوْجَيْنِ اثْنَيْنِ ۖ يُغْشِي اللَّيْلَ النَّهَارَ ۚ إِنَّ فِي ذَ*ٰلِكَ لَآيَاتٍ لِّقَوْمٍ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ​

And He it is Who spread out the earth and placed therein firm hills and flowing streams, and of all fruits He placed therein two spouses (male and female). He covereth the night with the day. Lo! herein verily are portents for people who take thought.

اور اسی نے زمین کو پھیلایا اور اس میں پہاڑاور دریا بنائے اور زمین میں ہر ایک پھل دوقسم کا بنایا دن کو رات سے چھپا دیتا ہے بے شک اس میں سوچنے والوں کے لیے نشانیاں ہیں
​

(Qur'an 36:36) سُبْحَانَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ الْأَزْوَاجَ كُلَّهَا مِمَّا تُنبِتُ الْأَرْضُ وَمِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَمِمَّا لَا يَعْلَمُونَ​

Exalted is He who created all pairs - from what the earth grows and from themselves and from that which they do not know.

وہ ذات پاک ہے جس نے زمین سے اگنے والی چیزوں کوگوناگوں بنایا اور خود ان میں سے بھی اور ان چیزوں میں سے بھی جنہیں وہ نہیں جانتے
​

(Qur'an 20:53) الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمُ الْأَرْضَ مَهْدًا وَسَلَكَ لَكُمْ فِيهَا سُبُلًا وَأَنزَلَ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مَاءً فَأَخْرَجْنَا بِهِ أَزْوَاجًا مِّن نَّبَاتٍ شَتَّىٰ​

[It is He] who has made for you the earth as a bed [spread out] and inserted therein for you roadways and sent down from the sky, rain and produced thereby categories of various plants.

جس نے تمہارے لیے زمین کو بچھونا بنایا اور تمہارے لیے اس میں راستے بنائے اور آسمان سے پانی نازل کیا پھر ہم نے اس میں طرح طرح کی مختلف سبزیاں نکالیں
​

(Qur'an 26:7) أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْا إِلَى الْأَرْضِ كَمْ أَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ زَوْجٍ كَرِيمٍ​

Did they not look at the earth - how much We have produced therein from every noble kind?

کیا وہ زمین کو نہیں دیکھتے ہم نے اس میں ہر ایک قسم کی کتنی عمدہ چیزیں اُگائی ہیں
​

(Qur'an 31:10) خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا ۖ وَأَلْقَىٰ فِي الْأَرْضِ رَوَاسِيَ أَن تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ وَبَثَّ فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ دَابَّةٍ ۚ وَأَنزَلْنَا مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مَاءً فَأَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ زَوْجٍ كَرِيمٍ​

He created the heavens without pillars that you see and has cast into the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with you, and dispersed therein from every creature. And We sent down rain from the sky and made grow therein [plants] of every noble kind.

آسمانوں کو بے ستون بنایا تم انہیں دیکھ رہے ہو اور زمین میں مضبوط پہاڑ رکھ دیے تاکہ تمہیں لے کر ادھر ادھر نہ جھکے اور اس میں ہر قسم کے جانور پھیلا دیے اور ہم نے آسمان سے مینہ برسایا پھر ہم نے زمین میں ہر قسم کی عمدہ چیزیں اگائیں
​

It is Scientifically established that fruits are made from fertilization of male and female gametes. Now the word فيها , which was used in Noble Verse 13:3 means "in". So, the Noble Verse could be simply referring to the male and female gametes. It's not saying that the fruit itself is either a male or a female. It's saying that Allah Almighty made into the fruit a pair, which means that the fruit was formed from a pair (a male and female gametes).

This is like saying that male and female sperms were made into Zaid. This is scientifically true, since the male's gushing semen does contain male and female sperms in it, and this is where the sex of the baby is determined by the man, as you know. The statement doesn't say that Zaid is both a male and female, or is a female only, or even is a male only. It's just simply saying that Zaid has male and female sperms in him. That's all.

I would again emphasize that 1400 years ago there was no concept of gender in plants "at all" but Allah "hinted" (not revealed full scientific thesis) this phenomenon in Qur'an 1400 years ago.

By the way, in my post#141, I mentioned at least 9 scientific facts in Qur'an which are now proved correct whereas nobody could imagine about those facts 1400 years ago, so are you just stuck with "pairs in plant issue" and you agree with other 8 Scientific facts now proven correct?

 

[نادان]

ہم تو یہاں ہی ہوتے ہیں آپ کہاں ہوتی ہیں؟

کیا آپ بھی دوسرے نام سے ہوتے ہیں ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

 

[Don302]

کیا آپ بھی دوسرے نام سے ہوتے ہیں ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

doosry naamon se jo hoty hain admin unhen kehta kuch nhy?

 

[نادان]

doosry naamon se jo hoty hain admin unhen kehta kuch nhy?

اڈمن نے کیا اور کیوں کہنا ......سب ہی پہچانے جاتے ہیں پھر کیا فائدہ ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

 

[Sohraab]

???? ?? ?? ??????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?? ????? ? ??? ????? ????? ??

 

[aamir_uetn]

???? ?? ??? ??? ?? ??? ???? ? ?? ?? ??? ?? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ??? ???

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[Sohraab]

عزیز من کچھ خدا کا خوف کریں ، یہ کس طرح کے گانے مجھے ڈیڈیکیٹ کر رہے ہیں

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

aziz e mohtaram yeh gana aap ko dedicate nahi kia , yeh main aksar sunta hoon to aaj jab sun raha tha to aap se bhi share kar diya :)

 

[aamir_uetn]

aziz e mohtaram yeh gana aap ko dedicate nahi kia , yeh main aksar sunta hoon to aaj jab sun raha tha to aap se bhi share kar diya :)

شکر ہے میں سمجھا عزیز من کا رومانس بھٹک گیا

:lol::lol::lol:

 

[Jaanbaazkarachi]

Re: To an Atheist, you can only prove the existence of Allah through Qur'an

I think, my previous post was sufficient to answer your question, it was more general reply though. I have doubt that you even bothered to fully read my previous response. Anyway, I am now giving very specific answer to the question you raised:

1- Everything was made in pairs:

(Qur'an 51:49) وَمِن كُلِّ شَيْءٍ خَلَقْنَا زَوْجَيْنِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَذَكَّرُونَ​

And of all things We created two mates; perhaps you will remember.

اور ہم نے ہی ہر چیز کا جوڑا پیدا کیا تاکہ تم غور کرو
​

2- All plants are made in pairs, or made/born/created from pairs: (ومن كل الثمرات جعل فيها زوجين اثنين).

(Qur'an 13:3) وَهُوَ الَّذِي مَدَّ الْأَرْضَ وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَأَنْهَارًا ۖ وَمِن كُلِّ الثَّمَرَاتِ جَعَلَ فِيهَا زَوْجَيْنِ اثْنَيْنِ ۖ يُغْشِي اللَّيْلَ النَّهَارَ ۚ إِنَّ فِي ذَ*ٰلِكَ لَآيَاتٍ لِّقَوْمٍ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ​

And He it is Who spread out the earth and placed therein firm hills and flowing streams, and of all fruits He placed therein two spouses (male and female). He covereth the night with the day. Lo! herein verily are portents for people who take thought.

اور اسی نے زمین کو پھیلایا اور اس میں پہاڑاور دریا بنائے اور زمین میں ہر ایک پھل دوقسم کا بنایا دن کو رات سے چھپا دیتا ہے بے شک اس میں سوچنے والوں کے لیے نشانیاں ہیں
​

(Qur'an 36:36) سُبْحَانَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ الْأَزْوَاجَ كُلَّهَا مِمَّا تُنبِتُ الْأَرْضُ وَمِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَمِمَّا لَا يَعْلَمُونَ​

Exalted is He who created all pairs - from what the earth grows and from themselves and from that which they do not know.

وہ ذات پاک ہے جس نے زمین سے اگنے والی چیزوں کوگوناگوں بنایا اور خود ان میں سے بھی اور ان چیزوں میں سے بھی جنہیں وہ نہیں جانتے
​

(Qur'an 20:53) الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمُ الْأَرْضَ مَهْدًا وَسَلَكَ لَكُمْ فِيهَا سُبُلًا وَأَنزَلَ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مَاءً فَأَخْرَجْنَا بِهِ أَزْوَاجًا مِّن نَّبَاتٍ شَتَّىٰ​

[It is He] who has made for you the earth as a bed [spread out] and inserted therein for you roadways and sent down from the sky, rain and produced thereby categories of various plants.

جس نے تمہارے لیے زمین کو بچھونا بنایا اور تمہارے لیے اس میں راستے بنائے اور آسمان سے پانی نازل کیا پھر ہم نے اس میں طرح طرح کی مختلف سبزیاں نکالیں
​

(Qur'an 26:7) أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْا إِلَى الْأَرْضِ كَمْ أَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ زَوْجٍ كَرِيمٍ​

Did they not look at the earth - how much We have produced therein from every noble kind?

کیا وہ زمین کو نہیں دیکھتے ہم نے اس میں ہر ایک قسم کی کتنی عمدہ چیزیں اُگائی ہیں
​

(Qur'an 31:10) خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا ۖ وَأَلْقَىٰ فِي الْأَرْضِ رَوَاسِيَ أَن تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ وَبَثَّ فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ دَابَّةٍ ۚ وَأَنزَلْنَا مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مَاءً فَأَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ زَوْجٍ كَرِيمٍ​

He created the heavens without pillars that you see and has cast into the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with you, and dispersed therein from every creature. And We sent down rain from the sky and made grow therein [plants] of every noble kind.

آسمانوں کو بے ستون بنایا تم انہیں دیکھ رہے ہو اور زمین میں مضبوط پہاڑ رکھ دیے تاکہ تمہیں لے کر ادھر ادھر نہ جھکے اور اس میں ہر قسم کے جانور پھیلا دیے اور ہم نے آسمان سے مینہ برسایا پھر ہم نے زمین میں ہر قسم کی عمدہ چیزیں اگائیں
​

It is Scientifically established that fruits are made from fertilization of male and female gametes. Now the word فيها , which was used in Noble Verse 13:3 means "in". So, the Noble Verse could be simply referring to the male and female gametes. It's not saying that the fruit itself is either a male or a female. It's saying that Allah Almighty made into the fruit a pair, which means that the fruit was formed from a pair (a male and female gametes).

This is like saying that male and female sperms were made into Zaid. This is scientifically true, since the male's gushing semen does contain male and female sperms in it, and this is where the sex of the baby is determined by the man, as you know. The statement doesn't say that Zaid is both a male and female, or is a female only, or even is a male only. It's just simply saying that Zaid has male and female sperms in him. That's all.

I would again emphasize that 1400 years ago there was no concept of gender in plants "at all" but Allah "hinted" (not revealed full scientific thesis) this phenomenon in Qur'an 1400 years ago.

By the way, in my post#141, I mentioned at least 9 scientific facts in Qur'an which are now proved correct whereas nobody could imagine about those facts 1400 years ago, so are you just stuck with "pairs in plant issue" and you agree with other 8 Scientific facts now proven correct?

And I think my previous reply was enough to clear your misunderstandings regarding so called scientific facts in Quran, I did not go in length deliberately because all of your so called miracles mentioned in Quran are refuted so many times that going back over them is like overkill them, I told you in my first response to look on net and you will find them, I don't have to repeat them, its simply waste of time.

I took one example for you so you could see how stupid it is to quote a verse from Quran and then argue it has some sort of scientific value, its simply nonsense, you mentioned yourself now that Quran is not a Book of Science, yet you are still pressing it has some scientific values? Talk about confusion.

Quran simply says He created Pairs in everything meaning Male and Female, right? What is the meaning of such statement? In order to reproduce you need male and female gametes, right? I showed you that reproduction does not always requires both male and female gamest and that is the error in Quran that it describes reproduction by the meaning of both male and female gametes. Now you are trying to deflect the case by saying, no no, Quran simply mentioning of male and female, rubbish! Why don't you go and read the Quran properly first and then come back and try to expose its so called Scientific knowledge.

"I would again emphasize that 1400 years ago there was no concept of gender in plants "at all" but Allah "hinted" (not revealed full scientific thesis) this phenomenon in Qur'an 1400 years ago."

Nope! Quran says in everything he created pairs, everything what earth produces so why sticking only to the Plants? And secondly Quran mentioned these so called statements in the context of reproduction, for the author of Quran in order to reproduce you need male and females, yet once again we know today its not the case, Asexual reproduction is a clear evidence against this so called Scientific miracle.

 

[Jaanbaazkarachi]

کیا آپ بھی دوسرے نام سے ہوتے ہیں ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

No Madam only one name, one and only :P I do come here time to time just like you .. I was not entirely missing from action.

 

[Pakistani1947]

Re: To an Atheist, you can only prove the existence of Allah through Qur'an

And I think my previous reply was enough to clear your misunderstandings regarding so called scientific facts in Quran, I did not go in length deliberately because all of your so called miracles mentioned in Quran are refuted so many times that going back over them is like overkill them, I told you in my first response to look on net and you will find them, I don't have to repeat them, its simply waste of time.

I took one example for you so you could see how stupid it is to quote a verse from Quran and then argue it has some sort of scientific value, its simply nonsense, you mentioned yourself now that Quran is not a Book of Science, yet you are still pressing it has some scientific values? Talk about confusion.

Quran simply says He created Pairs in everything meaning Male and Female, right? What is the meaning of such statement? In order to reproduce you need male and female gametes, right? I showed you that reproduction does not always requires both male and female gamest and that is the error in Quran that it describes reproduction by the meaning of both male and female gametes. Now you are trying to deflect the case by saying, no no, Quran simply mentioning of male and female, rubbish! Why don't you go and read the Quran properly first and then come back and try to expose its so called Scientific knowledge.



Nope! Quran says in everything he created pairs, everything what earth produces so why sticking only to the Plants? And secondly Quran mentioned these so called statements in the context of reproduction, for the author of Quran in order to reproduce you need male and females, yet once again we know today its not the case, Asexual reproduction is a clear evidence against this so called Scientific miracle.

Brother, it appears to me that you have already made up your mind about non-existence of God hence you do not bother to comprehend opponents argument. Please read my previous post#145 carefully again with focus on following paragraph you will Insha-Allah know the truth.

"It is Scientifically established that fruits are made from fertilization of male and female gametes. Now the word فيها , which was used in Noble Verse 13:3 means "in". So, the Noble Verse could be simply referring to the male and female gametes. It's not saying that the fruit itself is either a male or a female. It's saying that Allah Almighty made into the fruit a pair, which means that the fruit was formed from a pair (a male and female gametes).

This is like saying that male and female sperms were made into Zaid. This is scientifically true, since the male's gushing semen does contain male and female sperms in it, and this is where the sex of the baby is determined by the man, as you know. The statement doesn't say that Zaid is both a male and female, or is a female only, or even is a male only. It's just simply saying that Zaid has male and female sperms in him. That's all."

 

[Jaanbaazkarachi]

Re: To an Atheist, you can only prove the existence of Allah through Qur'an

Brother, it appears to me that you have already made up your mind about non-existence of God hence you do not bother to comprehend opponents argument. Please read my previous post#145 carefully again with focus on following paragraph you will Insha-Allah know the truth.

"It is Scientifically established that fruits are made from fertilization of male and female gametes. Now the word فيها , which was used in Noble Verse 13:3 means "in". So, the Noble Verse could be simply referring to the male and female gametes. It's not saying that the fruit itself is either a male or a female. It's saying that Allah Almighty made into the fruit a pair, which means that the fruit was formed from a pair (a male and female gametes).

This is like saying that male and female sperms were made into Zaid. This is scientifically true, since the male's gushing semen does contain male and female sperms in it, and this is where the sex of the baby is determined by the man, as you know. The statement doesn't say that Zaid is both a male and female, or is a female only, or even is a male only. It's just simply saying that Zaid has male and female sperms in him. That's all."

My Dear friend, first off, we are not talking here about existence of God, we are talking about reproduction in Animals or Plants, second you made some claims and I told you they are not accurate and I gave you my evidences, its up to you to accept them or not, for me evidences are important. It was simple observation from Prophet Muhammad to say everything created in Pairs, because it was easy for him to look around see it, it was hardly anything Divine.

By the way, there are species, well what should I say have more then two sexual pairs, have a look at this, it has 28,000 different sexes, now you tell me should I still believe everything created in Pairs??

This month's fungus is Schizophyllum commune, the split gill fungus, perhaps the world's most widespread fungus-- and possessor of over 28,000 different sexes

 

[نادان]

No Madam only one name, one and only :P I do come here time to time just like you .. I was not entirely missing from action.

i am here almost most of the time ..i really don`t see you ..do you wear sulemani topi when you visit forum ?

 

[Pakistani1947]

Re: To an Atheist, you can only prove the existence of Allah through Qur'an

My Dear friend, first off, we are not talking here about existence of God, we are talking about reproduction in Animals or Plants, second you made some claims and I told you they are not accurate and I gave you my evidences, its up to you to accept them or not, for me evidences are important. It was simple observation from Prophet Muhammad to say everything created in Pairs, because it was easy for him to look around see it, it was hardly anything Divine.

By the way, there are species, well what should I say have more then two sexual pairs, have a look at this, it has 28,000 different sexes, now you tell me should I still believe everything created in Pairs??

This month's fungus is Schizophyllum commune, the split gill fungus, perhaps the world's most widespread fungus-- and possessor of over 28,000 different sexes

Brother, I do not think it is a good idea to stuck with the issue of genders in Plants only. May be you could not understand what I am trying to say or may be I am unable to explain the issue properly to you. In either case we should not be blaming Qur'an but ourselves. At the moment it is sufficient for me that Qur'an hinted about sex in plants 1400 years ago which human realized few hundred years ago [The discovery of sex in plants is credited to Camerarius (1694), and Koelreuter (1761) source].

Anyway, while surfing the internet I found a very good website regarding the Miracles of Qur'an (most of these Miracles were not known to me until today). Interestingly, this website did not include sex in plant as one of the Miracle in Qur'an. They have mentioned about 113 Miracles in Qur'an. Assume after much debate with an Atheist we agree on only 100 Miracles proven correct. Does it mean Qur'an is not word of God? No, God never gave us the list of Miracles in Qur'an. It is us who are realizing Miracles in Qur'an and most of them are being proved correct. One more thing, since Qur'an is not a book of Science, you will mostly find hints of scientific fact in it. The Quran instructs Muslims to "contemplate the wonders of creation" (Quran 3:191). The entire universe, which was created by Allah, follows and obeys His laws. Muslims are encouraged to seek knowledge, explore the universe, and find the "Signs of Allah" in His creation. Allah says:

"Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of ships through the ocean, for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth; here indeed are Signs for a people that are wise" (Quran 2:164)

The website is http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html
Note: All below links are active, click below at any link to find the scientific fact proven correct.

• THE SKIES WITH 'WOVEN' ORBITS
• THE TSUNAMI EFFECT IN THE PROPHET MOSES (PBUH)'S
• PARTING OF THE SEA
  
• THE SUN WILL EVENTUALLY EXPIRE
• MODERN-DAY RADAR TECHNOLOGY
  
• THE CONTRACTION MOTION THAT FACILITATES BIRTH
  
• THE SOLIDITY OF THE ATOM AND ELECTRON ORBITS
• A RED ROSE IN THE SKY: THE ROSETTE NEBULA
• BONE LOSS IN OLD AGE
• THE HELIO-CENTRIC SYSTEM
• THE OZONE LAYER AT THE POLES AS THE SUN RISES
• HEART MASSAGE
  
• THE CLONING OF LIVING THINGS
• THE SUN WILL EXPIRE AFTER SOME TIME
• THE PULLING MOTION THAT FACILITATES BIRTH
• THE EXPANDING EARTH
• QUASARS AND THE GRAVITATIONAL LENS EFFECT
• SCIENTIFIC FACTS IN THE STORY OF THE FLOOD OF NUH
• THE EARTHS GRAVITATIONAL FORCE
• AERODYNAMIC FORCES AND THE FLIGHT PROGRAMMED IN BIRDS
• THE MIRACLE OF FIRE AND WOOD, THAT CANNOT BE OBTAINED ARTIFICIALLY
• RADIO RECEIVERS ON MOUNTAINS
• THE WISDOM BEHIND THE PROHIBITION OF BLOOD IN THE QURAN
• FOSSILIZATION AND IRON CONTENT
• THE MOTHERS WOMB WITH ITS SECURE PROTECTION
• THE SUNS HYDROGEN AND HELIUM CONTENT
• OXIDATION IN THE BLOOD
• THE QUIVERING AND SWELLING OF THE EARTH
• THE COMING OF THE UNIVERSE INTO EXISTENCE
• THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE
  
• THE END OF THE UNIVERSE AND THE BIG CRUNCH
• CREATION FROM HOT SMOKE
• THE SPLITTING ASUNDER OF "THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH"
• THE CREATION OF WHAT LIES BETWEEN THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH
• THE PERFECT EQUILIBRIUM IN THE UNIVERSE
• THE FINE TUNING IN THE UNIVERSE
• THE STRUCTURAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SUN, THE MOON AND THE STARS
• ORBITS AND THE ROTATING UNIVERSE
• THE SUN'S TRAJECTORY
• THE MOON'S ORBIT
• CALCULATING THE LUNAR YEAR
• THE FORCE OF GRAVITY AND ORBITAL MOVEMENTS
• THE ROUNDNESS OF THE EARTH
• THE EARTH'S DIRECTION OF ROTATION
• THE EARTH'S GEOID SHAPE
• THE DIAMETERS OF THE EARTH AND SPACE
• THE LAYERS OF THE ATMOSPHERE
• THE PROTECTED ROOF
• THE SKY MADE A DOME
• THE RETURNING SKY
• THE LAYERS OF THE EARTH
• THE EARTH DISGORGES ITS CHARGES
• THE FUNCTION OF MOUNTAINS
• THE MOVEMENT OF MOUNTAINS
• DIFFERENT POINTS IN THE RISING AND SETTING OF THE SUN
• LAND LOSS AT THE EXTREMITIES
• THE SPLITTING EARTH
• THE MIRACLE OF IRON
• THE FORMATION OF PETROL
• THE RELATIVITY OF TIME
• CREATION IN SIX DAYS
• THE TRUTH OF DESTINY
• DUALITY IN CREATION
• SUB-ATOMIC PARTICLES
• BLACK HOLES
• PULSARS: PULSATING STARS
• THE STAR SIRIUS
• LIGHT AND DARK
• COMBUSTION WITHOUT FIRE
• THE WEIGHT OF CLOUDS
• THE PROPORTION OF RAIN
• THE FORMATION OF RAIN
• RAINS WHICH BRING A DEAD LAND BACK TO LIFE
• THE FORMATION OF HAIL, THUNDER AND LIGHTNING
  
  THE FECUNDATING WINDS
• THE STAGES OF WIND FORMATION
• HOW THE PROCESS OF PHOTOSYNTHESIS BEGINS IN THE MORNING
• THE SEAS NOT MINGLING WITH ONE ANOTHER
• DARKNESS IN THE SEAS AND INTERNAL WAVES
• THE REGION THAT CONTROLS OUR MOVEMENTS
• HEARTS FIND PEACE IN THE REMEMBRANCE OF ALLAH
• FORGIVENESS ACCORDING TO THE MORALS OF ISLAM AND ITS BENEFITS ON HEALTH
• HOW PRAYER ACCELERATES THE TREATMENT OF THE SICK
• STRESS AND DEPRESSION: THE RESULTS OF NOT ABIDING BY THE RELIGION
• THE BIRTH OF A HUMAN BEING
• THE CREATION OF HUMAN BEINGS FROM WATER
• CREATION FROM CLAY
• THE PROGRAMMING IN GENES
• THE MENSTRUAL PERIOD
• PREGNANCY AND BIRTH
• THE SEQUENCE IN DEVELOPMENT OF HUMAN ORGANS
• THE FORMATION OF MILK
• MIRACULOUS MIXTURE: MOTHER'S MILK
• THE IDENTITY IN THE FINGERPRINT
• THE FEMALE HONEY BEE
• THE MIRACLE OF HONEY
• THE DATE AND ITS USES AS DESCRIBED IN THE QUR'AN
• THE FIG: A FRUIT WHOSE PERFECTION HAS ONLY RECENTLY BEEN REVEALED
• FISH: A VALUABLE SOURCE OF NUTRITION
• PORK AND ITS HARMFUL EFFECTS ON HEALTH
• THE OLIVE: A HEALTH-GIVING PLANT
• CORONARY BY-PASS SURGERY
• HEALTH BENEFITS OF MOVEMENT, WASHING AND DRINKING WATER
• THE EXISTENCE OF MICROSCOPIC LIFE
• THE EXISTENCE OF ANIMAL SOCIETIES
• BIOMIMETICS: DRAWING INSPIRATION FROM THE DESIGN IN LIVING THINGS
• LOCUSTS MOVING IN SWARMS
• ANT COMMUNICATION
• THE FOOD CYCLE
• THE EARS ARE ACTIVE DURING SLEEP
• THE IMPORTANCE OF MOVEMENT IN SLEEP
• REDUCED MOVEMENT AT NIGHT
  
• CHEST CONTRACTION WITH INCREASING HEIGHT

 

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Re: To an Atheist, you can only prove the existence of Allah through Qur'an

Brother, I do not think it is a good idea to stuck with the issue of genders in Plants only. May be you could not understand what I am trying to say or may be I am unable to explain the issue properly to you. In either case we should not be blaming Qur'an but ourselves. At the moment it is sufficient for me that Qur'an hinted about sex in plants 1400 years ago which human realized few hundred years ago [The discovery of sex in plants is credited to Camerarius (1694), and Koelreuter (1761) source].

Anyway, while surfing the internet I found a very good website regarding the Miracles of Qur'an (most of these Miracles were not known to me until today). Interestingly, this website did not include sex in plant as one of the Miracle in Qur'an. They have mentioned about 113 Miracles in Qur'an. Assume after much debate with an Atheist we agree on only 100 Miracles proven correct. Does it mean Qur'an is not word of God? No, God never gave us the list of Miracles in Qur'an. It is us who are realizing Miracles in Qur'an and most of them are being proved correct. One more thing, since Qur'an is not a book of Science, you will mostly find hints of scientific fact in it. The Quran instructs Muslims to "contemplate the wonders of creation" (Quran 3:191). The entire universe, which was created by Allah, follows and obeys His laws. Muslims are encouraged to seek knowledge, explore the universe, and find the "Signs of Allah" in His creation. Allah says:....................................

Oh my goodness!! I mean there should be a limit of nonsense which one can bare or listen or read, first you had to find a adhoc solution that Allah was only mentioning of Sexes [only two of them, male and female] but when I showed you that there are Plants which have morethan 28,000 different sexes, you came up with this latest comedic website. You must be really itching to find any Miracle, just anything, right? So I went to see what this masterpiece really is and found this classic masterpiece of divine miracles.

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MODERN-DAY RADAR TECHNOLOGY
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We gave Dawud great favor from Us: 'O mountains and birds! echo with him in his praise!' And We made iron malleable for him: (Surah Saba', 10)
We gave Sulayman understanding of it. We gave each of them judgment and knowledge. We subjected the mountains to Dawud, glorifying, and the birds as well. This is something We are well able to do. (Surat al-Anbiya', 79)
So We subjected the wind to him to blow at his command, softly, wherever he directed. (Surah Sd, 36)
The above verses refer to the superior attributes bestowed on the Prophets David (pbuh) and Solomon (pbuh), and say that each was given knowledge from the Presence of Allah. The terms referring to the knowledge given to these Prophets in the verses may be a reference to present-day radar technology, which works by the reflection of electromagnetic waves. (Allah knows the truth.) The word "awwibee" in verse 10 of Surah Saba', translated as "echoing" in the verse and meaning "the return or reiteration of sound," is reminiscent of echo-based radar technology

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:doh::doh::doh: Sorry I am out, I don't have time for such nonsense, I already wasted enough time with you on this issue, please do what ever you want to do, believe whatever nonsense is presented to you by your learned Muslim brothers, I used to think that religion is perhaps for simple minded people, you are telling me what yes I was right. All the best young man, Ciao.

 

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I must say that this is another one of you most thought provoking posts, I actually enjoy reading your post. Thanks for that.

When it comes to belief.... and you explained in your very first post that it was the "fear" that made human to submit to that "fear" by worshipping it. I would say that this concision is just one way to look at it. Before that, I would like you to explain that why a human would feel the need to submit??

Another to way to look at it is to knowledge the fact that a human is genetically hard-wired to carry on this belief. There do exist such genes which force humans to look for the divine-whole-being to whom we are the tiny parts (reminds of Mansoor Hallaj). During my class of Functional Genomics in the bio design department of Arizona State University, I came across many such things which are highly associated to a super being. My instincts are telling me that the connection to that divine super being does exist with us. Perhaps that's why Allah revealed that

And indeed We have created man, and We know whatever thoughts his inner self develops, and We are closer to him than (his) jugular vein. (Quran 50:16)."

You certainly know the art of flattery Leeza. I have my moments : )

In this short post you've raised some of the very basic and important questions.

Why humans fear?
I know you can answer this question better than me. We know that "fear" is hardwired in humans. The following few points help us understand fear. Each one of these points though can be a topic of a hundred PhDs.

1. Fear is directly related to the sense of "loss". Whatever is " dangerous" and can inflict pain and loss is to be "feared".

What kind of losses scare humans?
1. Wealth, 2. Self esteem, Respect, 3. Health, 4. Life

How does fear lead us to " submit"?
Because we don't wanna lose.

The idea of a God is synonymous with "A Dangerous Guy" who can inflict pain and every kind of loss, take away life, respect, controls livelihood, and is capable of doing whatsoever he can think. Once we've shaped up God like this in our minds, we're bound to fear him. Once weve started to fear him we wouldn't wanna make him angry.

What makes God angry?
Well, we dont know but there's a guy who says he speaks with God. He had told us what delights God and what angers him. The guy says an Angel comes down to him and tells him the will of God. He's a nice guy. He doesn't lie.

Oops... But there's another one in another city. He said God spoke to him too. He's telling a different story about likes and dislikes of God.
Hello, hang on, but there's yet another guy. He claimed he's also spoken to God. Well, there's quite a few, in fact. And all of them claim whatever they are telling about God is true. Rest is false.

What to do now?
Well, we're on the right path. Others are liars. Infidels and Kafirs. Let's teach em a lesson.

First, men feared. Then they submitted. Then they fought. Then they killed.

But, why did you believe the man who claimed to have spoken to God?
Because the man told us that if we dint believe him, we'd be destroyed. Thrown in hellfire. We' d be disease'd. We'd be damned and doomed. So, we got "scared".

But those who opposed the man, who refuted his claimed, were they disease'd, damned, and doomed?
Well, no. They're just living normal. Rather better than us.

So why'd you fear?
Well, hmm.. My Momma told me I should fear..

Why some men fear and some others don't makes the most interesting question.
Fear is actually The Survival Instinct of humans. Fear is an Ancient gift. When we were weak and vulnerable, we needed to fear so that we could avoid whatsoever had the capacity to harm us. We either bowed to that power or we just escaped. Fearing played so important a role that it has become instinctual. We humans are civilized and cultured beings in normal life. We take care of each other and help each other. This is a gift of our civilisations which were a result of evolution BUT whenever a dangerous situation arises that threatens our very survival, Instinct takes control of our mind and body. Fear takes control.

Have you ever wondered
why do people drive bad during heavy downpour?
Why do folks not smile when its storming?
Why can we just not help pulling a face when it thunders and lights?
What does terrify our minds with a sudden blow when we hear an explosion?

Because our Instinct thats helped us survive throughout the course of history, decipher Downpour, Storming, Thunder, and Explosion as signs of Danger. Instinct assumes control of mind and body in dangerous situations which is why when you're busy doing some very interesting stuff which is very entertaining and all of a sudden it thunders, you lose control of our minds. Your heart sinks and you forget what you were doing and where you were. Your Instinct has taken charge. Your one and only priority is now your survival. That happens for a very brief moment and then your conscious whispers in your mind that it was nothing dangerous. It was thunderstorm. Its gone. It's there for other reasons and not to threaten my existence.
If you're aware of its scientific reasons. It helps you dispel your fear quickly. If you dont have a scientific explanation of thunderstorm, your fear takes more time to wear down. That also explains that knowledge and awareness are probably keys to alleviate fear.

About a year ago a team of German scientist started a very interesting experiment. They put a group of people in the middle of a jungle, separately, and observed their movements. In the daylight everyone walked in almost straight lines. As darkness grew, they began to make circles. None of them could continue on a straight path. Unaware that they were not on the straight paths any more, they made circles and almost came back where theyd started off when it began becoming dark.
Scientists thought that during daylight their consciousness was their guide. As darkness prevailed, ancient hardwired instinctual fear started to mess with the consciousness and they all went off the desired paths, without realising it.

Humans fear darkness. Darkness was the ultimate enemy of humans as we couldnt see the dangers that were looming. Our ability to handle those dangers is drastically compromised. So, supposedly, our inability to cope with the threats in the dark, gave birth to the fear of darkness. Over a span of million of years, fear of the dark had become hardwired and instinctual in humans. Now whenever it starts to get dark, before time, we get a little depressed or get a bad mood. Constant overcast weather that resembles darkness can easily depress us.

Im sure youve also read the story of Darwin. How he tried to discover what fear was.

So the fears which are hardwired and instinctual are exploited by religion. Every religion. I mentioned how fear of Pain is used as an idea to construct the image of Hell. Similarly the fear of darkness has also been used by religions. Weve got many Quranic ayah and Ahadith where it's told that night is synonymous with Evil. It's been said many times in this discussion, by now, that Quran is mere a collection of common wisdom of Arabs until that time. From the existence of Jins which were a strong notion those days as mentioned in all early books, to the fear of darkness which human minds had long suffered from during evolution, Quran believed in everything. Everything which did not exist!

Humans fear snakes as they bite and kill
Humans fear night as it turn them blind to the possible dangers to their survival
Humans fear God as he can punish and can snatch what humans might hold dear

Second part of your post is interesting
I came across many such things which are highly associated to a super being. My instincts are telling me that the connection to that divine super being does exist with us. Perhaps that's why Allah revealed that

And indeed We have created man, and We know whatever thoughts his inner self develops, and We are closer to him than (his) jugular vein. (Quran 50:16)."
You came across something that was huge, strong, complex, amazing, or whatever adjective youd like to add. Having stumbled across such a thing who told you that it can possibly be connected to a Super Being?
Your understanding.
While in a class of 50 people, why did YOU think that it could be a sign of a Divine Being?
Answer is clear. You have got a religious background. Your mind is trained to think that way. Youre told to associated every thing in the world with a Super Being. Youre bound to interpret anything that you cannot understand or that dumbfounds you, as a sign of Divine Power of God. It's not your fault. Your mind has been trained by your parents, society, family, teachers who gave you religious education, your own study of religious books and baseless stories, and above all your personal bias. Humans develop personal biases. MY religion. MY God. MY book. MY faith. They explain everything. Theyre better than yours.

You need to read how humans develop opinion. The construction of the framework of understanding on which we humans analyse a particular event and then draw conclusions and base our actions on those conclusions.
Let's take a classical example
A gorgeous fashionable girl is with a young guy on his bike. Both standing near a Roadside stand, look a bit distressed, at Lahore Mall. A few Desi guys pass by. One of them thinks that this is a couple, enjoying their night out and have had a little fight. One of them thinks that the guy and girl are siblings and the bike is on the blink. The third guy thinks that the girl has eloped with the guy and now both are out of their element.
Same picture and all three guys came up with different stories and different interpretations, based on their framework of understanding. Their perceptions reflected their personality types and background.
Assume, for a moment that you were not a Muslim by birth or any other religion for that matter. You saw the same things, in the same class. Would This thing is a sign of a Super Being be the first thought to hit your mind? The answer is NO.
If supposedly, you were unaware of the idea of God or your parents had inculcated in your mind right from the start that there was no God, you would NEVER think that the thing was somehow a sign of a God or a Super Being.
Problem is that the notion of God is so strong for you that your framework of understanding couldn't elude it while interpreting those some things. It just couldn't betray God.
And in your class everyone, who were raised the way you were raised, had felt the same way, i bet. However that did not mean that those things had anything to do with a Super Being. It was just your perception which could be otherwise if you were not a believing person.
Most interesting, indeed, is the ayah of Quran that youve written at the end. What did that ayah convey? Absolutely nothing. That was meaningless. All sacred books are like that. Good at playing with words.