جماعت اسلامی کی معاشی حکمت عملی

[pakhome]

Bilkul Drust Farmaya Roshan Khiyalon Ko Ya Bat Hazam Nahi Ho Rhe Ha Islami Party Kam Itna Teze Sa Logon Ma Aagai Ho Rhe Ha... Inshallh Wo Din Dor Nahi jan Pakistan Ma Bi Misar, Tunish Or Turkey Jasa Inqlab Aae Ga..

 

[Beatle]

کیا فرق پڑتا ھے ، جو اور جیسا چاھے لکھتے جاؤ ۔ نہ کبھی کوئی سیٹ جیتنا ھے اور نہ کبھی عمل کی نوبت آۓ گی ۔ ھـا ھـا ھـا ھـا

 

[Afaq Chaudhry]

Janab,

Jab daleel say baat ke about taxation issues tu aap nay lift he nahi kerai. [/QUOTE

Theek hai app ne jis ghair akhlaki andaz men quote kia Munawar hasan ke article ko ...us men jawab dene ki zaroorat nahi thi,

asal men hum sub musalman to hain laiken iman is bat per rakhte hain jo chamakti hoi cheez nazar aie...........app muje aik bat batian khilafete rashida ke door men zakat lene wala nahi milta tha,khazana bhara hoota tha,umara our kulafa normal zindgi guzarte the our uno ne dunya ko fatha kia tha,jis norways ki app misal de rahe hain unoon ne abi ankh nahi kholi thi tehzeeb o tamadun ki,

Hume chaie ke phele dekhen ke hum kia hain our kia the our kia ho gaie...........doosroon ki nikali is waqt keren gen jub humare pas kuch na ho.
taxasation is a modern concept of this modern world,all issues can be solved if one intrested to solve,a lot of material is available on islamic banking system........also great reserch work is done by Prof.Khurshed Ahmed and so other prominet pakistani scholers in this regard.

why we look in other system which we already pocess in Islam?

 

[BuTurabi]

Shah sahib nay baray da'way tu ker deeaye, aur economics aur social structures ke istilaahat bhe boht khoob istimaal ker de, per pooray mazmoon mein kisi aik jaga bhe 'taxation' per aik harf nahi likha.

Jamaat-e-Islami ka dawa hay keh wo aik 'fallahi riyasat' ka qiyam chahtay hein. Meray khyal mein tamam jamaat kay leaderan ko kuch arsa kisi na kisi Scandinavian mulk mein guzarna chaeyaen.(khyal rahay keh yahan ke dosheezain kaafi haseen hoti hein, aur leadership kay behknay ka khatra bhe hoga)
Unko andaza hoga keh bawajood iskay keh Sweden aik 'engineering powerhouse' hay, aur bawajood iskay keh Norway Europe ka sab say bara oil exporter hay, wahan taxation rates [HI]35-50[/HI]% hein.

JI ka khyal hay keh wo Saudi Arab ke tarah tax bhe nahi lagain gay aur fallahi riyasat bhe qaim ker lein gay.

Taxation ko moasser aur fa'aal banaye bagheir is mulk ko koi mai ka laal fallahi riyasat tu kia riyasat bhe nahi bana sakta. Sirf jhanda aur danda leaye naaray maarnay say fallahi riyasat nahi qaim hoti.

اسلامی فلاحی مملکت میں محصولات کا نظام
ہر مُسلمان 5۔2 فیصد زکواۃ اور زرعی زمینوں پر عُشر دیگا۔
غیر مُسلم جِنہیں ’’کُفار‘‘ کہنے سے مزا ہی دوبالا ہو جاتاہے سے جزیہ وصولا جائے گا۔

لیکن مملکتِ خُدادا کو صحیح معنوں میں فلاحی ریاست بنانے کیلیئے جو فارمولا آپ نے پیش کیا ہے اُس کے مطابق اِس شرح محصولات (ٹیکسز) کا پینتیس سے پچاس فیصد کے درمیان ہونا لازم ہے۔ اب تیس چالیس فیصد کے اِس فرق کو ختم کرنے کیلیئے اڑوس پڑوس میں کِسی سُپر پاور کو کِسی دنگے میں اُلجھانا پڑے گا تاکہ دوسری سُپر پاور سے نوٹ بٹورے جا سکیں ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ لیکن ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ کیا کیجئے اِس یک قُطبی (یونی پولر) دُنیا میں اب کوئی دوسری سُپر پاور تو بچی نہیں جو ڈالر نچھاور کرے :(۔

کیا خیال ہے ’’اِسلامی فلاحی‘‘ کی بجائے صرف اسلامی ریاست نہ بنا لیں فلاح کا کام عوام صدقہ، خیرات اور قربانی کی کھالوں سے خود ہی کر لیا کریں؟
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[Raaz]

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برادرم :روشن خیالوں کے چودھ طبق جلد روشن ہوں گے۔ابھی یہ روشن خیالوں کے دور میں اپنا زور لگارہے ہیں۔​

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را چوہدری ، تم کتنے پیسے لیتے ہو اس سیٹ پر تھریڈ لگانے کے
تمام کے تمام جسارت سے اٹھا کر آرٹیکل یہاں کاپی پیسٹ کرتے ہو

کوئی اس کوئی پڑھتا بھی نہی
اگر کوئی جواب دے تو تم ناراض ہوتے ہو
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[awan4ever]

Janab,

Jab daleel say baat ke about taxation issues tu aap nay lift he nahi kerai. [/QUOTE

Theek hai app ne jis ghair akhlaki andaz men quote kia Munawar hasan ke article ko ...us men jawab dene ki zaroorat nahi thi,

asal men hum sub musalman to hain laiken iman is bat per rakhte hain jo chamakti hoi cheez nazar aie...........app muje aik bat batian khilafete rashida ke door men zakat lene wala nahi milta tha,khazana bhara hoota tha,umara our kulafa normal zindgi guzarte the our uno ne dunya ko fatha kia tha,jis norways ki app misal de rahe hain unoon ne abi ankh nahi kholi thi tehzeeb o tamadun ki,

Hume chaie ke phele dekhen ke hum kia hain our kia the our kia ho gaie...........doosroon ki nikali is waqt keren gen jub humare pas kuch na ho.
taxasation is a modern concept of this modern world,all issues can be solved if one intrested to solve,a lot of material is available on islamic banking system........also great reserch work is done by Prof.Khurshed Ahmed and so other prominet pakistani scholers in this regard.

why we look in other system which we already pocess in Islam?

Please highlight the 'ghair-ikhlaaqi anddaz' towards Mr. Munawar Hassan in my reply.

For highlighting left-click and drag to select the text from my post and then change its color under the 'A' font color icon in the text editor above.

Mein nay ap say history lesson nahi maanga. I simply read the article you posted and told you the deficiencies in the 'plan' of Mr. Munawwar Hassan to make Pakistan into a 'fallahi riasat'.

Direct taxation is the basis of all 'fallahi riasat' models. Even in your example of Islami fallahi riasat of Madina, you mentioned Zakat which is a form of taxation. In todays modern world with its complex economics and huge population more taxation and bigger services structures are needed. So it would have been quite helpful to understand Mr. Munawar Hasans manifesto if he had mentioned what kind of taxation scheme he had in mind, how it would be implemented across the various strata of society and how it woould benefit the society without hurting businesses and investments.

But just like Mr. Munawwar Hasan skirted this part, you came back to tell me I had done something 'ghair-ikhlaqi' and then chose to lecture me on history.

 

[LivePakistan]

Jamat-i-Islami must learn to tolerate other sects and bring them on board even though there are differences. JI was the only party who could have done this but it failed badly. JI's wing IJT created more enemies than friends. I can't forget my university time when IJT made our life miserable and we were treated like infidels. JI should have provided an umbrella for all religious parties like a hen who covers her chikens under her wings. JI should revise its policies and embrace all religious parties with open heart and then people will have soft corner for this party.

 

[Believer12]

There r few people in our family , who belongs to Jamat Badmashi , and some r professor in Punjab university too...

They told me by themselves that they go every year to Saudia to bring funds.... they call it funds...

They have no sense of halal or haram....if it is from Saudia...

i have sympathy with those of your family member professors in UNI coz they have to work for their food and education of kids.they dont have any option other than joining of badmash party.their hearts and minds denie them but htey have to continue with them ,,,majboori hai bhai bache nahi marwane in cobras say,,

 

[Afaq Chaudhry]

را چوہدری ، تم کتنے پیسے لیتے ہو اس سیٹ پر تھریڈ لگانے کے
تمام کے تمام جسارت سے اٹھا کر آرٹیکل یہاں کاپی پیسٹ کرتے ہو

کوئی اس کوئی پڑھتا بھی نہی
اگر کوئی جواب دے تو تم ناراض ہوتے ہو
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رحمان کو چاہنے والے ہمیشہ کم ہی ہوتے ہیں،اس دنیا میں سب ہی زندگی گژار لیتے ہیں کچھ

اس کو خوش کر کے اور کجھ ناراص کر کے،مگر وہ بے نیاز ہے۔ کوئ پڑھے یا نہ پڑے اس

سے کیا فرق پڑتا ہے۔ھدایت تو اللہ ھی دیتا ھے۔

اچھی بات کہیں سے بھی ملے،اس کو اچھا ہی کہیں گے،اس میں سب اخبارات شامل ہیں۔

مجھے اس کا دنیا والے کیا صلہ دیں گے۔ یہ سوال تو تم سے بھی کیا جا سکتا ہے۔

جماعت اسلامی والے تو جانتے بھی نہ ہوں گے کہ دنیا کہ کس ملک میں اور کون اور کس

فورم پر کیا بات کر رہا ھے۔ اللہ نے جو کچھ دیا ہوا ہے،اس کو تو اللہ ہی جاتا ہے-

میں اختلاف راۓ کا حق رکھتا ہوں اور بدزبانی کا جواب ضرور دینا جاہیے لیکن اخلاقیات کے دائرے میں۔



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[Believer12]

Jamat-i-Islami must learn to tolerate other sects and bring them on board even though there are differences. JI was the only party who could have done this but it failed badly. JI's wing IJT created more enemies than friends. I can't forget my university time when IJT made our life miserable and we were treated like infidels. JI should have provided an umbrella for all religious parties like a hen who covers her chikens under her wings. JI should revise its policies and embrace all religious parties with open heart and then people will have soft corner for this party.

purpose of the creation of any party is very important to understand.their purpose is to occupied govt of Pakistan. all the issues raised by you are very clear showing their targets. an artificial army based party can not be a progressive party and their aims are not to tolerate others, hateredism and modudiism(his own son said modudi books are fake and his faiths are like narcotics)

 

[Afaq Chaudhry]

i have sympathy with those of your family member professors in UNI coz they have to work for their food and education of kids.they dont have any option other than joining of badmash party.their hearts and minds denie them but htey have to continue with them ,,,majboori hai bhai bache nahi marwane in cobras say,,

also his relatives have some proves aganist jamaat islami,try to buy them and present them on media.......and it will be good for their nan.nafqa also share razz in this sawab....and you will be also happy after this kind work.

 

[Afaq Chaudhry]

Jamat-i-Islami must learn to tolerate other sects and bring them on board even though there are differences. JI was the only party who could have done this but it failed badly. JI's wing IJT created more enemies than friends. I can't forget my university time when IJT made our life miserable and we were treated like infidels. JI should have provided an umbrella for all religious parties like a hen who covers her chikens under her wings. JI should revise its policies and embrace all religious parties with open heart and then people will have soft corner for this party.

this is just propeganda aganist islam,not only by liberls but also from some sects as well,there is no proof that jamaat or jammiat spread nafrat, even jammat is not a sect,jamaat belives in islam as a whole not a part of religion this is the main thing which so called liberls are not able to understand,this cant enter in their mind that how islam can be the supreme law in this modern world,this is hasan nisari propeganda and other nanishwars,
what hasan nisar says about jammiat pls lissen,can we expect to this person who is aganist jamaat and jammiat,
but when some thing happens personally people have to belive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtohDOo2Oe0

 

[Raaz]

i have sympathy with those of your family member professors in UNI coz they have to work for their food and education of kids.they dont have any option other than joining of badmash party.their hearts and minds denie them but htey have to continue with them ,,,majboori hai bhai bache nahi marwane in cobras say,,

Woh Khabees jamat ke hi hen....

one of them is retired...

When I saw him this time , he was abusing Liaqat Baloch with heavy Galiyan , that he is a Dako and ruined Jamat ....

Believe me..

Hafiz Salaman Butt of our time , president of University, he was confirmed killer of so many people..

Their lots of nazims are now sitting in Canada , and Australia , and confirmed killers...

Now if u see them , u could not recognize them that one they were in JI.

Hussain Haqani was university Nazim of Jamat...

Every criminal is created by JI...

Because they have faith like christians....

Christian have faith do what ever u want , but just believe that Jesus was crucified on cross..

[HI]Modudi told them , just kill every one , just think only u r muslim and except u , every one is Kafir....

[/HI]

They have few good deendar people , but just to display...

 

[Raaz]

[HI]this is just propeganda aganist islam[/HI],not only by liberls but also from some sects as well,there is no proof that jamaat or jammiat spread nafrat, even jammat is not a sect,jamaat belives in islam as a whole not a part of religion this is the main thing which so called liberls are not able to understand,this cant enter in their mind that how islam can be the supreme law in this modern world,this is hasan nisari propeganda and other nanishwars,
what hasan nisar says about jammiat pls lissen,can we expect to this person who is aganist jamaat and jammiat,
but when some thing happens personally people have to belive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtohDOo2Oe0

Ra Caudary , u just 20 ... u will learn in your life , what is Islam and what is J. Islami.

 

[Afaq Chaudhry]

Woh Khabees jamat ke hi hen....

one of them is retired...

When I saw him this time , he was abusing Liaqat Baloch with heavy Galiyan , that he is a Dako and ruined Jamat ....

Believe me..

Hafiz Salaman Butt of our time , president of University, he was confirmed killer of so many people..

Their lots of nazims are now sitting in Canada , and Australia , and confirmed killers...

Now if u see them , u could not recognize them that one they were in JI.

Hussain Haqani was university Nazim of Jamat...

Every criminal is created by JI...

Because they have faith like christians....

Christian have faith do what ever u want , but just believe that Jesus was crucified on cross..

[HI]Modudi told them , just kill every one , just think only u r muslim and except u , every one is Kafir....

[/HI]

They have few good deendar people , but just to display...

I think you have only this mission in this world,so try to get contact with this person in mansoora with your relatives whom you are torturing in the name of jamaat(khabees in ur words) to open FIR aganist jamaat,
every disbeliver is being followed by shaitan in this world and its universal truth that beliovers of shaitan will go in doozakh,
Christian and Qadianis are very innocents becs they first do insult islam in pakistan and then try to get asylum in abroad on the name of insult,this is what happening in pakistan for last some decads,

 

[Afaq Chaudhry]

Ra Caudary , u just 20 ... u will learn in your life , what is Islam and what is J. Islami.

I think you need to mind your language if you have learnet some thing about islam.
If im just twenty you might be sixty but I know what is the mission of liberals in Pakistan.

 

[Raaz]

I think you need to mind your language if you have learnet some thing about islam.
If im just twenty you might be sixty but I know what is the mission of liberals in Pakistan.

What bad I said .... you r just a teenager , thats why u r so much passionate.

I am not liberal...

U will mature one day...insha Allah...

Better not to respond your thread... u start crying....

Keep on Posting Jasarat... we read free hrere.

 

[LivePakistan]

this is just propeganda aganist islam,not only by liberls but also from some sects as well,there is no proof that jamaat or jammiat spread nafrat, even jammat is not a sect,jamaat belives in islam as a whole not a part of religion this is the main thing which so called liberls are not able to understand,this cant enter in their mind that how islam can be the supreme law in this modern world,this is hasan nisari propeganda and other nanishwars,
what hasan nisar says about jammiat pls lissen,can we expect to this person who is aganist jamaat and jammiat,
but when some thing happens personally people have to belive.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtohDOo2Oe0

I respect your views but I am witness of JIT force during university time where no other religious organization was allowed to conduct any religious activity and I was badly beaten by JIT when we tried to conduct a program in Muharram and this program was forced to close before it even started. We faced this martial law for four years and lately in 1989 Union Elections, our organization defeated JIT badly as the whole university revenged against it. We all want Islam how modern we might be. I gave my analysis in my previous post and is upto JI whatever they want to choose the path. This is the sentiment prevailing on the ground as hard core JI will never understand. JI should apologize on the behalf of JIT the terror they exercised which alienated common students and those memories are still flash back.

 

[AwaZ-e-HaQ]

Kya yehi alfaz IK pe fit nahi hotay?

 

[AwaZ-e-HaQ]

You said many thing but you have no proof and things will be not valid untill you will provide proof. Till now it is just blame game and Pakistan is much damaged by such blame games by politicians and their workers. IK put blames on NS, NS on Zardari, Zardari on NS, Baloor on JUI, L on JI what is this? just a "darama"