جماعت اسلامی کی معاشی حکمت عملی

[AwaZ-e-HaQ]

Your argument will be valid if you provide duration of incidence and university name. Even you did not provide your winning candidate name.

 

[Afaq Chaudhry]

I respect your views but I am witness of JIT force during university time where no other religious organization was allowed to conduct any religious activity and I was badly beaten by JIT when we tried to conduct a program in Muharram and this program was forced to close before it even started. We faced this martial law for four years and lately in 1989 Union Elections, our organization defeated JIT badly as the whole university revenged against it. We all want Islam how modern we might be. I gave my analysis in my previous post and is upto JI whatever they want to choose the path. This is the sentiment prevailing on the ground as hard core JI will never understand. JI should apologize on the behalf of JIT the terror they exercised which alienated common students and those memories are still flash back.

Brother, some times happens some incidents but it does not mean to start blame without any evidence,there heve always beensome hidden facts which we dont know,mejority is not practicing Islam and political parties always try to interfere in universities, ppp mln what they did in universities are open realities, even lot of jammait members were killed,

who is on right path and the wrong it will be decided by Allah on the final day of jugment,personally i think no need to inforce any one to chose the path, people know whats right and wrong,we all have right to present our views,one likes other no.
but we respect all............the main problem we face know is the lack of tolernce in our society,we blame on the name of islam,on the name of political parties,even you can observe on this forum always criticising more then 70 percent,this shows the percentage of viewers.....serious threads get less attention.

 

[awan4ever]

Brother, some times happens some incidents but it does not mean to start blame without any evidence,there heve always beensome hidden facts which we dont know,mejority is not practicing Islam and political parties always try to interfere in universities, ppp mln what they did in universities are open realities, even lot of jammait members were killed,

who is on right path and the wrong it will be decided by Allah on the final day of jugment,personally i think no need to inforce any one to chose the path, people know whats right and wrong,we all have right to present our views,one likes other no.
but we respect all............the main problem we face know is the lack of tolernce in our society,we blame on the name of islam,on the name of political parties,even you can observe on this forum always criticising more then 70 percent,this shows the percentage of viewers.....serious threads get less attention.

Meri doosri post ka jawab aap phir gol ker gye.

 

[Afaq Chaudhry]

Meri doosri post ka jawab aap phir gol ker gye.

app ko jawab de dia hai ,check inbox pls

 

[awan4ever]

app ko jawab de dia hai ,check inbox pls

Checked and replied.

You have still not responded to the missing part about taxation schemes that are required to build a fallahi riasat which Mr. Munawar Hassan left out of his article.

 

[mush_dewana]

Islam considers all indirect taxes including GST and VAT as haraam. In this type of tax, both the rich and the poor are taxed equally which is completely unfair. In Islam all the taxes are imposed only on the rich people like Kharaaj, Usher, Rikaz etc. In the Islamic revenue system, a huge sum is collected through Zakat and protecting a portion of public properties like Oil, Gas, Coal and Minerals etc for the state expenditure which, in the current capitalist system, is being pocketed by the foreign multinational companies by gaining ownership over this public assets. Besides these sources of revenues, the state cannot impose any tax on the common man. The Prophet warned the collector of such taxes with hell fire. The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said;

لا یدخل الجنۃ صاحب المکس
"The one who collects tax (maks) will not enter into paradise" [Ahmed, Abu Dawood, Al-Hakim]
And he صلى الله عليه وسلم said;
وان صاحب المکس فی النار
"The one who collects tax (maks) is in hell fire" [Ahmed]

Current Economic System is totally dependent upon taxes which do not take care wheter payer is Rich or Poor. This system destroys the industrialists, traders and the common masses.
........

If you read Islamic literature and History of Islam (instead Scandinavian beauty) you can easily get your answer.
But problem with so called Liberal Fascist is, they worship shining stars ... People are getting reward @ Taxation in Norway where prices of food is so high that dishwasher like [MENTION=8740]awan4ever[/MENTION] can not survive

I do not know how JI will handle Taxation but I am dam sure it would be implemented by Taliban INSHA ALLAH with dandaaaaa
other wise people like [MENTION=8740]awan4ever[/MENTION], @Razz and @moazzamnia abu jahal's breed will keep shouting

Janab,

Jab daleel say baat ke about taxation issues tu aap nay lift he nahi kerai.

 

[Afaq Chaudhry]

Checked and replied.

You have still not responded to the missing part about taxation schemes that are required to build a fallahi riasat which Mr. Munawar Hassan left out of his article.

my answer was clear,brother mush-dewana also answered you...which is quite sufficient explaining everything.

 

[Afaq Chaudhry]

[h=2]Taxation in Islam[/h]
Abdul-Kareem
The following article is based on the book Funds in the Khilafah State which is a translation of Al-Amwal fi Dowlat Al-Khilafah by Abdul-Qadeem Zalloom.



Allah (swt) has revealed a comprehensive economic system that details all aspects of economic life including government revenues and taxation. In origin, the permanent sources of revenue for the Bait ul-Mal (State Treasury) should be sufficient to cover the obligatory expenditure of the Islamic State. These revenues that Shar'a has defined are: Fa'i, Jizya, Kharaj, Ushur, and income from Public properties.
The financial burdens placed on modern states today are far higher than in previous times. When the Khilafah is re-established it will need to finance a huge re-development and industrial programme to reverse centuries of decline, and bring the Muslim world fully into the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century. Because of this, the Bait ul-Mal's permanent sources of revenue may be insufficient to cover all the needs and interests the Khilafah is obliged to spend upon. In such a situation where the Bait ul-Mal's revenues are insufficient to meet the Khilafah's budgetary requirements, the Islamic obligation transfers from the Bait ul-Mal to the Muslims as a whole. This is because Allah (swt) has obliged the Muslims to spend on these needs and interests, and their failure to spend on them will lead to the harming of Muslims. Allah (swt) obliged the State and the Ummahto remove any harm from the Muslims. It was related on the authority of Abu Sa'id al-Khudri, (ra), that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said: "It is not allowed to do harm nor to allow being harmed." [Ibn Majah, Al-Daraqutni] Therefore, Allah (swt) has obliged the State to collect money from the Muslims in order to cover its obligatory expenditure. The State achieves this by imposing taxes upon the Muslims such that these needs and interests are met without being exceeded. These taxes should only be taken from people's surplus wealth. This wealth is what is left after someone has spent on his basic needs, and also his luxuries according to the normal standard of living. There are six areas of expenditure the Bait ul-Mal is obliged to spend upon. If insufficient funds are available then taxes will be imposed upon the Muslims to meet the expenditure. These areas are:

1. The expenditure upon Jihad and what is necessary for it.
   
2. Expenditure on military industries
   
3. Spending on the poor, needy and wayfarers.
   
4. Expenses such as the salaries of soldiers, civil servants, judges, teachers and the like who provide services for the benefit of the Ummah.
   
5. Expenses due in the form of services and caring of the Ummah.
   
6. Expenditure upon emergencies like famines, earthquakes, floods and enemy attacks.

1. The expenditure upon Jihad and what is necessary for it The Islamic State is obliged to establish powerful and highly trained armed forces. These armed forces must be prepared with the latest and most sophisticated weapons such that their quality and quantity deter, subdue and frighten the enemy. These forces will liberate our lands from occupation, terminate the influence of the Kuffar in the Muslim world, and aid the state in conveying Islam to the world. Expenditure on Jihad and what is necessary for it is one of the rights due upon the Bait ul-Mal whether there are funds in the Bait ul-Mal or not. If there are funds available, then they are spent on Jihad and its requirements. If there are no funds, then the duty of spending on Jihad, as long as Jihad is obligatory and designated, transfers from the Bait ul-Mal to the Muslims, since Jihad is obligatory upon Muslims by wealth and person. Allah (swt) says:

انْفِرُواْ خِفَافًا وَثِقَالاً وَجَاهِدُواْ بِأَمْوَالِكُمْ وَأَنفُسِكُمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ ذَلِكُمْ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ​

"So go out, no matter whether you are lightly or heavily armed, and struggle in Allah'sway with your possessions and your persons: this is better for you, if you only knew." [TMQ At-Tawba: 9:41]​

Anas (ra) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said: "Fight the polytheists with your wealth, lives and tongues." [Abu Dawud] Inaddition, there are tens of Ayaat and Ahadith that oblige Jihad by wealth andperson upon the Muslims. In the situation where there are no funds in the Bait ul-Mal to spend on Jihad and its requirements, the State must encourage Muslims to contribute voluntarily to Jihad as the Messenger of Allah (saw) used to do. Abdur Rahman bin Khabbab as-Salmi said: "The Prophet (saw) gave a Khutbah (speech) and encouraged [people to donate] regarding the army of difficulty, so Uthman bin Affan said: ‘Upon me are 100 camels with their saddle-blankets and saddle bags.' Then he (saw) descended the steps of the pulpit (Mimbar) and encouraged again, so Uthman said: ‘Upon me are another 100 with their saddle-blankets and saddle bags.'" [Ahmed] Hudhayfa bin al-Yaman said: "The Prophet (saw) sent a request to Uthman seeking assistance from him for the army of difficulty, so Uthman sent to him 10,000 Dinars which were poured before him. The Prophet (saw) began turning them before him while praying for him and he (saw) said: ‘May Allah forgive you, O Uthman, for what you have made secret, what you have revealed, what you have hidden, and all that will be until the Hour comes. Uthman should not mind of any action he does after this.'"
If the voluntary contributions of the Muslims are insufficient to cover the designated Jihad, then the State will impose taxes upon Muslims up to the amount necessary and no more, to cover the expenditure. It is not allowed for the State to tax more than is required.


2. Expenditure on military industries
The Islamic State is obliged to establish military and other associated industries to enable the manufacturing of the latest and most sophisticated weapons and equipment for the armed forces. This is because Jihad requires an army, and the army requires weapons so that it can fight. Building highly effective and powerful weapons requires manufacturing. Therefore the military weapons industry has a close relationship with Jihad. For the State to be in full control of her affairs, and free from the influence and control of other states, she must undertake the production and development of her own weapons especially its vital weapons. This is so that the State has the most modern and developed weapons, irrespective of how much weapons develop and advance. Also the State must have under her control all that she requires of weapons to scare every enemy whether open or hidden, according to the State's international position. The absence of these military factories in the Ummah makes Muslims dependent upon Kafir states for armament, a matter which may make the Muslims political will and decision making subject to the will and decisions of the Kuffar. These Kafir states do not sell weapons except with conditions attached that fulfil their interests, and this would inflict the most terrible harm upon the Ummah. Establishing of these factories is therefore obligatory upon Muslims from the texts of the Ayaat and Ahadith that oblige Jihad upon Muslims by wealth and person by the indispensable indication (Dalalat al-Iltizam). This is because Jihad depends upon weapons and weapons require industry. This is also indicated by the saying of Allah (swt):

وَأَعِدُّواْ لَهُم مَّا اسْتَطَعْتُم مِّن قُوَّةٍ وَمِن رِّبَاطِ الْخَيْلِ تُرْهِبُونَ بِهِ عَدْوَّ اللّهِ وَعَدُوَّكُمْ وَآخَرِينَ مِن دُونِهِمْ لاَ تَعْلَمُونَهُمُ اللّهُ يَعْلَمُهُمْ​

"Prepare whatever forces you [believers] can muster, including warhorses, to frighten off Allah's enemies and yours, and warn others unknown to you but known to Allah." [TMQ Al-Anfal: 8:60]​

The preparation ordered by Allah (swt) is the preparation which achieves the terrorising of the enemies, whether they are open, hidden or potential enemies. This terror depends upon acquiring vital and developed weapons of the highest level, and acquiring of such weapons depends upon establishing factories. Therefore, this Ayah indicates the obligation upon the Ummah to establish factories by the indispensable indication (Dalalat al-Iltizam). Moreover, the absence of these factories inflicts a terrible harm upon the Ummah, and removing harm from the Ummah is obligatory. The removal of this harm will not be achieved except by establishing military, manufacturing and other associated industries. It is permissible for individuals within the Ummah to establish all or some of these industries to manufacture the necessary weapons. If however, they do not establish them, or they only establish some of them, then the State is obliged to build factories necessary to produce all the weapons and equipment the armed forces need. Building these factories is one of the obligatory rights upon Bait ul-Mal, whether there are funds in itor not. If funds are present, then they are spent to build these factories. If there are no funds available then the financial obligation transfers to the Ummah. In this case the state introduces a tax in order to raise the necessary funds, irrespective of the amount. 3. Spending on the poor, needy and wayfarers. This is an obligation whether there are funds in the Bait ul-Mal or not. The expenditure is from the Bait ul-Mal, when there are sufficient funds. If there are no funds in the Bait ul-Mal then the obligation transfers to the Muslims. This is because spending upon the poor, needy and wayfarers has been obliged by Allah (swt) upon the Muslims in the form of Zakat and Sadaqah. The Messenger of Allah (saw) has narrated from his Lord: "The one who goes to sleep satisfied while he knows that his neighbour next to him is hungry does not believe in me." [Tabarani] Therefore, if there are funds available in the Bait ul-Mal to spend on the poor, needy and wayfarers then they are spent on them. If not, the obligation is transferred to the Muslims and the State raises taxes for this purpose such that the required amount of funding is raised. 4. Expenses such as the salaries of soldiers, civil servants, judges, teachers and the like who provide services for the benefit of the Ummah. Those who provide services for the benefit of the Ummah deserve, in return for providing these services, a wage from the Bait ul-Mal. Spending on their wages is an obligation whether or not there are funds in the Bait ul-Mal. If there are funds available then they are spent upon them. If not, then the obligation is transferred to the Muslims. This is because Allah (swt) has ordained the authority (Sultan) for the Ummah. He (swt) obliged the Ummah to appoint a Khaeefah whom she pledges allegiance (Bay'ah) to hear and obey according to the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (saw). The Khaleefah undertakes this authority on the Ummah's behalf and takes care of her affairs in accordance with the Book and Sunnah. Taking care of her affairs can only be accomplished by establishing the institutions of State, such as: judges, soldiers, teachers and civil servants. Appointing such people requires the payment of compensation and wages. Since Allah (swt) has obliged the Muslims to appoint such people, then He (swt) has also obliged them to pay their compensation and wages by indispensable indication (Dalalat al-Iltizam). The Messenger of Allah (saw) appointed governors, employees, secretaries and assigned grants (‘Atiyyat) for them. Similarly the Khulafa'a after him appointed governors, officials, judges, secretaries and soldiers, and they assigned grants for them from the Bait ul-Mal. Funding for these people is therefore taken either from the Bait ul-Mal or by imposing the required taxes on the Muslims where the Bait ul-Mal has insufficient funds for this purpose.

5. Expenses due in the form of services and caring of the Ummah
These expenses are spent on utilities whose existence is considered a necessity (Dharura) such that in their absence harm would result to the Ummah. These utilities could include: public roads, schools, universities, hospitals, mosques, water supplies and similar services.

The right of spending upon these matters is considered obligatory whether or not there are funds in the Bait ul-Mal. If there are funds in the Bait ul-Mal then they are used to establish these utilities. If not, then the obligation to spend upon them is transferred to the Muslims. This is because spending upon them is obligatory upon Muslims, since failure to establish them will result in harm to the Ummah.
Harm must be removed both by the State and the Ummah due to the saying of the Prophet (saw): "It is not allowed to do harm nor to allow being harmed," and his (saw) saying: "Whoever harms (others) then Allah will harm him, and whoever overburdens them Allah will overburden him." [Hakim]
However, if the absence of services offered by the State does not harm the Ummah, then it is not obliged to provide them. An example is the opening of a second road or refurbishing it when there is another suitable road available that can meet people's needs, or building a school, university or hospital when there are others available, or widening streets that don't necessarily need to be widened. Another example is the establishment of projects where failure to do so does not result in harm to the Ummah, like mining nickel or building a shipyard to build commercial ships. The State undertakes all these matters only when there are surplus funds in the Bait ul-Mal. If there are no funds in the Bait ul-Mal, then the State does not undertake them nor is it permitted to impose taxes for them. This is because Muslims are not harmed by their absence, therefore establishing them is not obligatory. This is in contrast to the expenditure on services and utilities where the failure to spend on them results in harm to the Ummah. If there are funds in the Bait ul-Mal, they are spent upon establishing and providing the necessary utilities, if not, the State imposes taxes to raise the necessary amount provide these utilities. 6. Expenditure upon emergencies like famines, earthquakes, floods and enemy attacks The right of spending on these matters is not linked to the presence of funds in the Bait ul-Mal. Such spending is obligatory irrespective of whether there are funds in the Bait ul-Mal or not. If there are funds in the Bait ul-Mal, then they must be spent immediately whenever these emergencies occur. If there are no funds, then it becomes obligatory upon the Muslims, and the funds have to be collected from them immediately and without delay. If harm is feared due to any delay, then the State borrows the amount necessary to spend upon these emergencies and then pays back what it borrowed from the money it collected from the Muslims. The evidence for obliging this upon Muslims is the Hadith: "The one who goes to sleep satisfied while he knows that his neighbour next to him is hungry does not believe in me," and the Hadith: "Any community, whosoever they are, if a person among them became hungry, they will be removed from the protection of Allah the Blessed, the Supreme." [Ahmed] This is in relation to famine. As for earthquakes and floods, the evidence for obliging Muslims to spend upon these natural disasters is the obligation of saving the unfortunate ones and removing harmfrom the Muslims. These are the interests that Muslims are obliged to spend upon whenthere are no funds in the Bait ul-Mal, and for which the State has to imposetaxes upon Muslims when the permanentsources of revenues of the Bait ul-Mal and the revenues from the protectedpublic properties (Hima), are insufficient. Wealth Tax Taxes are levied on the wealth of the Muslims which is in excess of their basic needs and their luxuries according to normal standards of living. Taxes are only collected from those who have surplus wealth and nothing is taken from those who have no surplus wealth. This is because the Messenger of Allah (saw) said: "The best Sadaqah is that given out of richness." The richness here means what the person can afford after satisfying his needs. It was narrated from Jabir that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said: "Start with yourself when giving Sadaqah. If there remains any excess, then to your family. If there remains any excess, then to your relatives. If there remains any excess, then do like this, give those in front of you and those to your right and those to your left." [Muslim] He (saw) deferred the obligation of spending upon anyone else until after spending upon oneself. Taxes are similar to this as they are like financial maintenance and Sadaqah. Allah (swt) says:

وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ مَاذَا يُنفِقُونَ قُلِ الْعَفْوَ​

"They ask you what they should give: say, ‘Give what you can spare.'" [TMQ Al-Baqarah 2:219]​

In other words, spending which causes no hardship and which is extra to one's needs. There is no concept of income tax in Islam as we find in western capitalist countries. Taxes are only levied on excess wealth and not on income. The State is also not allowed to impose indirect taxes such as sales taxes on goods and services. Nor can it impose taxes in the form of court fees, fees on petitions forwarded to the State, sale or registration of land, buildings or measurements or other types of taxes other than those in the shar'iah. This is because imposing oppressive or illegal taxation is one of the prohibited injustices about which the Messenger of Allah (saw) said: "He who imposes maks (custom duty) would not enter paradise." [Ad-Darimi, Ahmed and Abu ‘Ubayd] In western capitalist countries their taxation penalises the poor and vulnerable in society. Clever accounting and offshore Swiss bank accounts ensure the rich in western societies can avoid paying the majority of taxes altogether. In the UK for example, the Queen is one of the richest people in Britain yet she pays no income tax, whereas a poor single mother or an old age pensioner must pay income tax. With regressive taxes like the sales taxes on goods and services these hurt the poor more than the rich since the tax rates are the same for both. Unfortunately, the Muslim governments today see adopting the western capitalist system as the only way to achieve economic progress. We therefore find the same oppressive taxation introduced into Muslim countries such as the General Sales Tax (GST) in Pakistan. This is not to mention the endemic corruption where tax revenues are diverted from the State Treasury into the personal bank accounts of the rulers and other government officials. Taxes in Islam are only collected to raise the amount necessary to cover the deficit in the obligatory expenditure of the Bait ul-Mal. When imposing taxation, no consideration is given to the notion of preventing the increase of wealth, or preventing richness or increasing the revenues of the Bait ul-Mal. Consideration is only given to fulfilling the required expenditure on the obligatory needs and interests on the State. If any taxes are taken over and above the obligatory expenditure then this is considered a mazlama (injustice). The Court of Unjust Acts (mahkamat ul-mazalim) has the power to investigate any excessive taxation. If after the court's investigation the tax or tax-rate is deemed to indeed be a mazlama then the court can oblige the State to abolish or lower the tax and return any excess money to the Muslims. Therefore, the shar'iah has resolved the problem of financing the expenditure on the Ummah's needs and interests in a 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century Khilafah.

http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/the-khilafah/economy/3324-taxation-in-islam-wealth-tax

 

[awan4ever]

Islam considers all indirect taxes including GST and VAT as haraam. In this type of tax, both the rich and the poor are taxed equally which is completely unfair. In Islam all the taxes are imposed only on the rich people like Kharaaj, Usher, Rikaz etc. In the Islamic revenue system, a huge sum is collected through Zakat and protecting a portion of public properties like Oil, Gas, Coal and Minerals etc for the state expenditure which, in the current capitalist system, is being pocketed by the foreign multinational companies by gaining ownership over this public assets. Besides these sources of revenues, the state cannot impose any tax on the common man. The Prophet warned the collector of such taxes with hell fire. The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said;

لا یدخل الجنۃ صاحب المکس
"The one who collects tax (maks) will not enter into paradise" [Ahmed, Abu Dawood, Al-Hakim]
And he صلى الله عليه وسلم said;
وان صاحب المکس فی النار
"The one who collects tax (maks) is in hell fire" [Ahmed]

Current Economic System is totally dependent upon taxes which do not take care wheter payer is Rich or Poor. This system destroys the industrialists, traders and the common masses.
........

If you read Islamic literature and History of Islam (instead Scandinavian beauty) you can easily get your answer.
But problem with so called Liberal Fascist is, they worship shining stars ... People are getting reward @ Taxation in Norway where prices of food is so high that dishwasher like @awan4ever can not survive

I do not know how JI will handle Taxation but I am dam sure it would be implemented by Taliban INSHA ALLAH with dandaaaaa
other wise people like @awan4ever, @Razz and @moazzamnia abu jahal's breed will keep shouting

Personal honay ka boht shok hay tumhein chawwal.


MEin aram say aik sawal ker raha hoon aur tum personal attacks ker rahay ho.

It goes to show how incompetent your replies are that you have to jump down to the level of personal attacks.

You can say whatever about my thinking but how did you deduce that I am a 'dishwasher'?

Also, isnt it un-Islamic to look down upon a dishwasher or any other low earning job?

Do you know how much a dishwasher earns in Norway per hour?
If you did you would probably leave your day job and try to become a dishwasher here, where it isnt even looked down upon!

Taliban pehlay hukoomat mein tu aajain, phir dramay baazi bhe ke lena unkay naam per. InshaAllah mashaAllah SubhanAllah doesnt mean something will actually happen!

In Islam all the taxes are imposed only on the rich people like Kharaaj, Usher, Rikaz etc. In the Islamic revenue system, a huge sum is collected through Zakat and protecting a portion of public properties like Oil, Gas, Coal and Minerals etc for the state expenditure which, in the current capitalist system, is being pocketed by the foreign multinational companies by gaining ownership over this public assets.

In Norway, people pay taxes according to their income. If someone is poor they pay minimum tax and if unemployed then they get benefits from the state. A poor person also benefits from the roads, hospitals, utilities just like the rich. So the poor pay their share in the use of these collective public properties. A poor person in Norway is considered one who has a job and can feed his kids AFTER paying taxes. If he is unable to do that the state steps in and provides him with basic necessities & taxes are not levied on a person on social benefits.

The vast oil wealth of Norway is STATE property and doesnt belong to the Royal family like in Saudi Arabia and the gulf countries. The national oil company has the largest stake in oil production and they explore, drill and produce the oil using local resources. They have not leased out their oil to Aramco type foreign businesses.
The second largest business is aluminium production, also owned largely by the state. Power production is cheap, again done by the state which uses hydel power to generate electricity.
The worlds largest sovereign fund is the Norwegian national fund. They take all the money from the oil business, put it into a public owned fud, and invest that fund in other businesses all over the world to make money which is spent on state affairs. So basically they are saving their oil wealth and using it to generate more income!
The state fund does not invest in companies which produce weapons or other activities which cause harm to humanity.

The Scandinavians are actually DOING today what you claim the Taliban or whatever will come and do in the supposed future!
So guess what, come back when the Taliban have something similar in place, until then shut the hell up!

 

[awan4ever]

my answer was clear,brother mush-dewana also answered you...which is quite sufficient explaining everything.

Dewana sahib has termed taxation haram whereas you have termed it halal so I think you shouldnt quote his answer.

Secondly, the wikipedia article you have quoted is a general explaination of Islamic allowance of taxation.

A political party has to explain how and how much tax it will collect from various segments of society. Then it has to give a calculated economical model of how this tax will be used to better various public service industries.

For example when Obama rolled out his national healt security plan, he was made to give a detailed economic model of how the funding the plan will be collected, how it will effect each person in terms of payments and in terms of savings in long term on health issues and how the private sector which is a big part of the US health system, will not collapse when this state funded system is rolled out.

So to say that 'zakat' will be collected and it will solve all problems is NOT an educated answer. Someone has to come and explain how much zakat or usher or taxes will be collected, how they will be collected, who will be paying the most and who will be paying the least, how much of this will be spent on health, education, sports, roads, utilities etc. and how this spending will change the way each public sector works.

Then people will look at the given figures, analyze them, give criticism and feedback and also hold the party accountable if it comes into power that this was what you said you will collect and you will spend, so what have you been doing.

What our momin brothers like dewana come up with are generic answers and personal insults. They just quote hadith and verse and say the Taliban will come and fix everything. No one has come and explained HOW?

I hope you can give us a link to the detailed economic policy of JI so everyone can go over it and see if they have a detailed map on how to fix our finances.

 

[Afaq Chaudhry]

Dewana sahib has termed taxation haram whereas you have termed it halal so I think you shouldnt quote his answer.

Pls dont mind what say others, just visit this link for your satisfaction and all answers,
Ill porovide you more links about this issue.

http://www.ips.org.pk/
http://www.ipsurdu.com/


This institute is run by Prof.Khurshid Ahmed,you can send your questions directly there.

 

[Raaz]

Islam considers all indirect taxes including GST and VAT as haraam. In this type of tax, both the rich and the poor are taxed equally which is completely unfair. In Islam all the taxes are imposed only on the rich people like Kharaaj, Usher, Rikaz etc. In the Islamic revenue system, a huge sum is collected through Zakat and protecting a portion of public properties like Oil, Gas, Coal and Minerals etc for the state expenditure which, in the current capitalist system, is being pocketed by the foreign multinational companies by gaining ownership over this public assets. Besides these sources of revenues, the state cannot impose any tax on the common man. The Prophet warned the collector of such taxes with hell fire. The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said;

لا یدخل الجنۃ صاحب المکس
"The one who collects tax (maks) will not enter into paradise" [Ahmed, Abu Dawood, Al-Hakim]
And he صلى الله عليه وسلم said;
وان صاحب المکس فی النار
"The one who collects tax (maks) is in hell fire" [Ahmed]

Current Economic System is totally dependent upon taxes which do not take care wheter payer is Rich or Poor. This system destroys the industrialists, traders and the common masses.
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If you read Islamic literature and History of Islam (instead Scandinavian beauty) you can easily get your answer.
But problem with so called Liberal Fascist is, they worship shining stars ... People are getting reward @ Taxation in Norway where prices of food is so high that dishwasher like [MENTION=8740]awan4ever[/MENTION] can not survive

[HI]I do not know how JI will handle Taxation but I am dam sure it would be implemented by Taliban INSHA ALLAH with dandaaaaa
other wise people like [MENTION=8740]awan4ever[/MENTION], @Razz and @[moazzamniaz"]moazzamnia[/URL] abu jahal's breed will keep shouting[/HI]

Mind your language...

U think u r muslim and every one is kafir.

Does muslim talk like this.

Check your bread first...

 

[Raaz]

[HI]Iqbal said....
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میں جانتا ہوں جماعت کا حشر کیا ہوگا
مسائل نظری میں الجھ گیا ہے خطیب

 

[mush_dewana]

Personal to hooon ga bz every time when it come to DEEN Islam your damag ki bati start sparking

Or us main kerray niikalnay shuru ho jatay ho , aray bai sab ko pata ha ka deen islam is waqat mushkil marahil main ha or ALLAH Qruan mian farmata ha ka agar tum momin ho to main tumhain dunya main aaala muqam doon ga ... it means agar ham ruswa hain to deen se door hain

to bigaeee leg pulling ka apni point of view do or DEEn ko stable karoo ... laken tumhari batoon se to asay hi lagta ha muja ka tumhaim Musalman honay pa afsoos ha
agar nahi to next time come with the idea not with argument or objection

goray ki muja aik hi cheez achi lagi... be creative/innovative if other are not doing what u want to do then do it yourself except ....

Personal honay ka boht shok hay tumhein chawwal.


MEin aram say aik sawal ker raha hoon aur tum personal attacks ker rahay ho.

It goes to show how incompetent your replies are that you have to jump down to the level of personal attacks.

You can say whatever about my thinking but how did you deduce that I am a 'dishwasher'?

Also, isnt it un-Islamic to look down upon a dishwasher or any other low earning job?

Do you know how much a dishwasher earns in Norway per hour?
If you did you would probably leave your day job and try to become a dishwasher here, where it isnt even looked down upon!

Taliban pehlay hukoomat mein tu aajain, phir dramay baazi bhe ke lena unkay naam per. InshaAllah mashaAllah SubhanAllah doesnt mean something will actually happen!




In Norway, people pay taxes according to their income. If someone is poor they pay minimum tax and if unemployed then they get benefits from the state. A poor person also benefits from the roads, hospitals, utilities just like the rich. So the poor pay their share in the use of these collective public properties. A poor person in Norway is considered one who has a job and can feed his kids AFTER paying taxes. If he is unable to do that the state steps in and provides him with basic necessities & taxes are not levied on a person on social benefits.

The vast oil wealth of Norway is STATE property and doesnt belong to the Royal family like in Saudi Arabia and the gulf countries. The national oil company has the largest stake in oil production and they explore, drill and produce the oil using local resources. They have not leased out their oil to Aramco type foreign businesses.
The second largest business is aluminium production, also owned largely by the state. Power production is cheap, again done by the state which uses hydel power to generate electricity.
The worlds largest sovereign fund is the Norwegian national fund. They take all the money from the oil business, put it into a public owned fud, and invest that fund in other businesses all over the world to make money which is spent on state affairs. So basically they are saving their oil wealth and using it to generate more income!
The state fund does not invest in companies which produce weapons or other activities which cause harm to humanity.

The Scandinavians are actually DOING today what you claim the Taliban or whatever will come and do in the supposed future!
So guess what, come back when the Taliban have something similar in place, until then shut the hell up!

 

[awan4ever]

Personal to hooon ga bz every time when it come to DEEN Islam your damag ki bati start sparking

Or us main kerray niikalnay shuru ho jatay ho , aray bai sab ko pata ha ka deen islam is waqat mushkil marahil main ha or ALLAH Qruan mian farmata ha ka agar tum momin ho to main tumhain dunya main aaala muqam doon ga ... it means agar ham ruswa hain to deen se door hain

to bigaeee leg pulling ka apni point of view do or DEEn ko stable karoo ... laken tumhari batoon se to asay hi lagta ha muja ka tumhaim Musalman honay pa afsoos ha
agar nahi to next time come with the idea not with argument or objection

goray ki muja aik hi cheez achi lagi... be creative/innovative if other are not doing what u want to do then do it yourself except ....

Wohi, thekay daari mullahon waali.

Tumsay mein nay certificate nahi maanga apnay musalman honay ka is leaye awein ee aa ker mamay na bano.

Mein nay sawal kia tha jiska jawab tum nay wohi ghisa pita 10 jamaat fail molvion wala day dia. Wohi chaar alfaaz sab nay yaad keaye huay hein 'zakat', 'usher' waghera kay per ye kisi ko nahi maloom how to implement and how much it will collect and how it will be distributed across various sectors.

Khair i think its beyond you is leaye let the other guy reply because atleast he is trying to answer with something worth discussing other than name calling and being childish.