Afghanistan- In near future.

DrAjmalKhan

Citizen
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/423988-us-ready-to-leave-afghanistan

America running away from Afghanistan but what next?

The negotiations between the current Afghan govt and Taliban are yet to start. But there are already many questions, not easy to answer as there are fundamental differences between the current Afghan govt and the fundamentalist Taliban.

Is it likely to have an agreement?

Is the proposed three years interim govt going to work?

Are Taliban going to accept the current constitution?

Taliban have historically been against the one man one vote type democracy and generally not flexible then what kind of system for future?

I have a feeling that as soon as the US forces leave, the war is going to resume. The post US withdrawal demoralized Afghan Army is going to join Taliban in big numbers and it wouldn't take long for Taliban to take over Kabul and then back to 1999.

US ready to leave Afghanistan

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PESHAWAR: The Afghan Taliban and US officials on Saturday agreed on preliminary draft of likely peace accord, including US withdrawal from Afghanistan in 18 months, prisoners’ exchange and lifting ban on movement of Taliban leaders from blacklist, according to Taliban sources. It was the first time Taliban and the US officials held such a long meeting.

Their meeting started last Monday, January 21, and concluded on Saturday.

“We didn’t sign any formal agreement but agreed on certain important points. There were several ups and downs but finally we agreed on three crucial issues. The US officials agreed to withdraw all their troops from Afghanistan in 18 months. They will lift a ban on Taliban leaders from blacklist and will exchange prisoners,” said a Taliban source privy to the peace talks in Qatar.

In return, the Taliban agreed they would not allow Afghanistan to be used by al-Qaeda and ISIS or any other militant organisation against the US and its allies in future.

According to the Taliban sources, the talks had stalled on Friday when US officials allegedly backtracked on the talks agenda and asked the Taliban to publicly announce their separation from al-Qaeda and ISIS.

The Taliban representatives reportedly denounced the ISIS but refused to separate themselves from al-Qaeda, arguing that they had already announced allegiance to the Afghan Taliban and its supreme leader Sheikh Haibatullah Akhundzada.

However, both sides again returned to peace talks on Friday afternoon, when the Taliban particularly mentioned that they would never allow al-Qaeda and ISIS to use their soil for their nefarious designs against the US and its allies or any other country.

After these three points are implemented, then they would work on other issues, including the formation of an interim government in Afghanistan, ceasefire and involving the Afghan government in the peace and reconciliation process.

However, another Taliban leader said US will first fulfil commitment of complete withdrawal in 18 months, lift ban on their leadership and exchange prisoners.

After these three objectives are achieved, then an interim government would be installed in Afghanistan, for which the Taliban would recommend their people. The interim government would be selected for three years.

“Taliban will then officially announce ceasefire and will also involve the Afghan government in the peace and reconciliation process,” said a Taliban leader in Afghanistan’s Helmand province.

According to Taliban sources, only Taliban representatives and US officials had agreed upon these points.

As per their plan, Zalmay Khalilzad will first go to Kabul to take the Afghan government into confidence about these developments and would then fly back to Washington to seek approval of US authorities.

“And after the Afghan government and US authorities agreed, then US and Taliban will hold another important meeting in the first week of February in Doha where they would formally sign an agreement,” said a Taliban leader. Taliban new chief negotiator Abdul Ghani Baradar will chair the next meeting.

Zalmay Khalilzad reportedly arrived in Kabul on Saturday to meet Afghan President Dr Ashraf Ghani and Chief Executive Abdullah Abdullah and discuss progress in peace talks with the Taliban. Zalmay Khalilzad on Saturday confirmed significant progress during lengthy talks with the Taliban. In his official Twitter account, Khalilzad wrote that he wanted to build on six days of meetings in Doha.

“Meetings here were more productive than they have been in the past,” he said without providing details. “We made significant progress on vital issues.

"We will build on the momentum and resume talks shortly. We have a number of issues left to work out," he tweeted.

"Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, and ‘everything’ must include an intra-Afghan dialogue and comprehensive ceasefire," he tweeted.

According to the Taliban sources, it was also decided that the future government in Afghanistan would end its ties with the Afghanistan-based Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and Baloch insurgents and would not work against the interests of Pakistan.

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said their representatives continued meeting with US officials till late Saturday afternoon and he had no idea what was finally decided.

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TONIC

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Taliban or no Taliban , Afghans should decide and we should ensure that our borders are secured and we can free up some tied resources from that border and we should look for our own interests. India should not be given any hold of Afghanistan....period.
 

DrAjmalKhan

Citizen
Taliban or no Taliban , Afghans should decide and we should ensure that our borders are secured and we can free up some tied resources from that border and we should look for our own interests. India should not be given any hold of Afghanistan....period.
Not that simple. No matter which way it goes, there will be an impact on Pakistan. Generally if Taliban take over, they are pro Pakistan but is it going to be a stable govt is the real question.
 

thinking

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
First..Afghans peoples only have the right to decide how they want to live..fighting each others for next 100 years or live peacefully??
Secondily..I hope Taliban realized .they can't put thiers same type of Talibanisation as they did in the past..They should show some flexibility for the sack of thiers next generations and the country...Islam is not about living in stone age..
 

sab_tamasha_hai

Minister (2k+ posts)
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/423988-us-ready-to-leave-afghanistan

America running away from Afghanistan but what next?

The negotiations between the current Afghan govt and Taliban are yet to start. But there are already many questions, not easy to answer as there are fundamental differences between the current Afghan govt and the fundamentalist Taliban.

Is it likely to have an agreement?

Is the proposed three years interim govt going to work?

Are Taliban going to accept the current constitution?

Taliban have historically been against the one man one vote type democracy and generally not flexible then what kind of system for future?

I have a feeling that as soon as the US forces leave, the war is going to resume. The post US withdrawal demoralized Afghan Army is going to join Taliban in big numbers and it wouldn't take long for Taliban to take over Kabul and then back to 1999.
I had an interesting debate with Lord Botta few days ago. His point of view was that there will be total chaos. In my opinion current Afgahn government will lose pretty quickly it is hard to predict who will control Afghanistan in near future
 

Pathfinder

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
afghanistan will always be a buffer state. It will continue to have ethnic strife. This failure of US backed tajik hazara ex commie gang has failed. india that had protection of the US to carryout its terrorism in Pakistan has severely weakened their assets have been hit. aslam achoo and some comrades of indian funded balochi terrorist have been wiped out and the US didn't give a damn about it.

Everyday ground is being lost. Pakistan wants a stable afghanistan and it cannot have india in it full stop. India wants to remain relevant but they will now lean on Iran to help them stay relevant. the indians have no apple in this pie.

 
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luckey_iam

MPA (400+ posts)
Taliban are already controlling more area than the current regime . this government is mostly saturated in big cities. once nato leaves Taliban move to these cities and game will be over for these bastards who are involved in killing of thousands of Pakistanis . and for Pakistan and ISI it will be a hunting season.
 

MHAMZA

Minister (2k+ posts)
Pakistan Gov under Musharaf handed over their council general / ambassador and other diplomats of the Taliban Gov to the CIA on Pakistan soil, they spent a few years in Guantanamo , why do we expect them to be more favorable towards Pakistan as compared to India who has deep pockets and will support anyone or both to stay there in Pakistan's backyard.
 

GreenMaple

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Goodbye to trendy cafe's, wanna be's, liquor, prostitution, flashy TV programs: Hello to killings, naswar, sheep and baccha bazi.
 

SaRashid

Minister (2k+ posts)
طالبان ہوں یا غیر طالبان۔ افغانوں کو سر پر نہیں چڑھانا، ان لوگوں نے آپس میں لڑتے رہنا ہے، یہ جنگ و جدل کے بغیر رہ نہیں سکتے۔ ان لوگوں کا مشغلہ ہے سینکڑوں سال سے۔ ایسے لوگوں سے دوری میں عافیت ہے۔
مستقبل میں اگر کوئی پختونستان کی بات کرے، تو سیدھے سیدھے ملٹری ایکشن کی دھمکی دینا کہ کہیں ایسا نہ ہوجائے کہ پاکستان افغانستان کے پشتون علاقوں پر قبضہ کر کے ان کو بھی خیبر پختونخوا کا حصہ نہ بنادے، پشاور سے کابل، کوئٹہ سے قندہار۔
 

SaRashid

Minister (2k+ posts)
افغانستان کی وجہ سے پاکستان نے، اور پاکستان کی وجہ سے افغانستان نے بڑی مصیبتیں اٹھائی ہیں۔ بنیادی طور پر دونوں ہی نااہل اور نکھٹو قومیں ہیں، تبھی سات سمندر پار سے امریکہ بہادر اور پڑوس سے روس نے ان کی خوب واٹ لگائی۔ یہ الگ بات کہ خود روس کی ایسی واٹ لگی، اور امریکہ کو بھی احساس ہوگیا کہ وہ اپنا پیسہ اور توانائی ایک بے کار کی مہم جوئی میں خرچ کررہا ہے۔
افغانوں سے جنگ لڑے بغیر، ان کے اوپر نوٹوں کی برسات کر کے کام نکالا جاسکتا ہے تو پھر بلاوجہ اپنے وسیع تباہی کے ہتھیاروں کا کب تک تجربہ چلتا رہے گا؟
رہا ہندوستان، تو دیکھتے جائیے، ابھی پاکستان کی وردی سرکار بھی ہندوستان کے ساتھ دوستانہ اور یارانہ کے راستے ڈھونڈتے ہوئے نظر آئے گی۔ کرتار پور بھلا کس چڑیا کا نام ہے؟
 

SaRashid

Minister (2k+ posts)
اس خطے میں فی الحال جنگوں کا فائدہ نہیں۔ بزنس کا زمانہ ہے۔ چین کا ون روڈ ون بیلٹ۔ پاکستان، افغانستان، ہندوستان، سب ایک لائن میں کھڑے ہوجائیں گے۔