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Eyeaan

Minister (2k+ posts)
#23
Religion is a danger to a civilized society. Religion divides people, religion encourages people to look down upon those who are not the followers, it encourages hate and some times killings and terrorism

Do you want a ban on religion to make society a more civilized one?
It is not a issue related with religion. It is an issue related with organization of a society and respect of its members. A creeping noe-liberal commercialization is persistent invading the liberal morality and rights of the people,. In any case this is not a sustainable code of ethics, lest one to argue that pornography as an edict from some 'non-religious' gods or 'basic right'..

Regarding ban on religion: perhaps you haven't got into this discussion.
Take there is no god and there is no higher authority to make laws and no one to judge now or ever after along with no sense of permanent justice and truth (I have no problem at all if you take these positions logically and stick to them without any flip- flops) : Then religion is ESSENTIALLY a human phenomenon and part of the human society - just like many other phenomena of humans and human society. Whether It is rooted in biology or in evolution or in human history or it is a tool for societal organization - that is open to muse but give me some constant explanation for prevalence and extent of religion. Don't go into Marxist childish criticism or certain other theories of 18th century. First You tell me what religion is and only then you and I can take up the question of banning it - or what possibly 'banning would means. Regarding associating religion with hatred and division- I'll say you are very short-sighted and easily affected by propaganda of some recent 'internet fame' hacks. In any case given the fact that there is no god, hate and divisions are part of humanity/biology - for which perhaps some proponents of banning seem to excel.
 

Liberal 000

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
#24
It is not a issue related with religion. It is an issue related with organization of a society and respect of its members. A creeping noe-liberal commercialization is persistent invading the liberal morality and rights of the people,. In any case this is not a sustainable code of ethics, lest one to argue that pornography as an edict from some 'non-religious' gods or 'basic right'..

Regarding ban on religion: perhaps you haven't got into this discussion.
Take there is no god and there is no higher authority to make laws and no one to judge now or ever after along with no sense of permanent justice and truth (I have no problem at all if you take these positions logically and stick to them without any flip- flops) : Then religion is ESSENTIALLY a human phenomenon and part of the human society - just like many other phenomena of humans and human society. Whether It is rooted in biology or in evolution or in human history or it is a tool for societal organization - that is open to muse but give me some constant explanation for prevalence and extent of religion. Don't go into Marxist childish criticism or certain other theories of 18th century. First You tell me what religion is and only then you and I can take up the question of banning it - or what possibly 'banning would means. Regarding associating religion with hatred and division- I'll say you are very short-sighted and easily affected by propaganda of some recent 'internet fame' hacks. In any case given the fact that there is no god, hate and divisions are part of humanity/biology - for which perhaps some proponents of banning seem to excel.
Justification of Immorality is called religion while morality is called truth

Now I have given you the definition of religion challenge me and then we see how long you stick with your views without flip flop
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
#25
Good decision.

It is not government's role to become moral police. Such things should be left upon public to decide for themselves.
Dear johnsnow, morality is not a personal thing and it cannot be a personal thing. It is another name for law of the land from God. People divided law and morality into separate compartments when they decided to cause division between deen and duniya on wrong footings which make no sense at all.

Law is only needed when we have more than one person on the same ground to live upon. You do not need law when you are the only person living in the house because there is no one there to question you as to what you do in your own house. Problems will arise when another person also shares same household. Then between two of you, you must work out some house rules so that both of you could live in peace and harmony with each other.

Since in any human society or community in a place a lot of people are involved so all of them must work out some rules to live by in peace and harmony to get by at least.

The main question then arises what should be the basis for a country to form its constitution and its laws? That depends fully upon the program they want to carry out as a human society or group or community. A sensible human society will ensure there is no conflict between its program, constitution and laws otherwise these conflicts will turn into fights between people of the land. This is why consistency between systems, structures, procedures and practices is a must or the bloodshed between people cannot be avoided.

Since all people have personal or vested interests so a sensible compromise or consensus must be reached between people to be able to function as a group or community in a piece of land. This calls for power sharing or stake in power for all involved.

In time to come balance of power can change for various natural and man made reasons so how can a people guard against that so that one group does not try to take undue advantage of the other? In other words what measures are needed to build trust of people on each other? Social cohesion is not easy to gain or maintain among a group of people without some real good basis and that is where in comes God, his creation and his revealed way of life for mankind.

regards and all the best.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
#26
But jahil molviz are always their to become moral dadies and mumies of the nation and country like Pakistan comes first in that ignorant list.

Muslim countries are like confused men who do not know which direction to follow. They are the victims of their own backward thoughts, Muslim countries do not know what are the fundamental rights of a common man in the state.
Dear revolutionist, since you claim to be an atheist, you have no foot to stand upon because in your case only and only might is right can be the rule. This is exactly what is happening throughout our world. Who are the rulers, money lenders, mullas and their touts? They are atheists in disguise. Ask any of them what do they really know about God, his creation and his revelation? Absolutely nothing at all.

If I opened up a debate with you and others like you this fact will become clearly obvious. If you are in any doubt please go ahead and we can discuss these things in detail right here. You are an atheists not because you have actually studied the creation and revelation of God in needed detail but because you are fed up with manipulation by rulers, money lenders, mullas and their touts. You want a just and fair world but you think you cannot get it without being an atheist but that is being out of frying pan into the fire.

Atheism and agnosticism is in no position to decide morality or law of the land that is fair or just. To begin with you cannot rule out possibility of existence of God as you cannot prove for sure God cannot exist or does not exist. Moreover you have no idea at all how creation and revelation together can actually prove existence of God. You have no idea how to decode revelation of God or how to make proper sense of it properly.

I do not accept that all people who claim to be muslims are truly muslims because if they were they could not be living by anything other than the quran based deen of islam. Anyone can claim one is a muslim including myself but what do I know about deen of islam from the quran will prove whether I am truly a muslim or just paying lip service to deen of islam?

Athests must never bring mullas and deen of islam together as one and the same thing. Mullas have their own agendas which are anti deen of islam. If anyone claims deen of islam is what mullas say and do then burden of proof rest with that person to prove mullas are truly muslims according to the quran. None can do that not even you. The fact is mullas themselves cannot do so let alone anyone else on their behalf. Any scientist, any philosopher any mulla disciple is welcome to try and do so.

So people should talk about deen of islam on basis of the quran alone and to the best of their own study of the quran in light of the real world realities which is not based upon mullas' translations and interpretations of the quran. Only such people have right to talk about the quran be it all negative. Ignorant people talking about the quran is neither here nor there. That is just waste of time, plan and simple.

regards and all the best.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
#27
Oh morality ke mamay do not be too NOSY, let every individual to decide their own morals. Who the hell is state or ignorant like you to teach people about morals. An individual in the society should all be free to do whatever he likes to do as long as he is not breaking the state law or getting involved in criminal activities

I can bet people here in the uk have more moral values than Pakistanis and so called muslims who do not a miss a chance to rape a child and then kill her. Check the number of kids who are getting raped and killed every year in Pakistan and not to mention,what pakiz do with the food and then sell it to people. Pakiz like you would never learn,now wonder Pakistani passport and pakiz one of the most disrespectful and hated nation in the world because pakiz are too nosy.
Dear revolutionist, do you see contradiction in your own reply? You are trying to impose your opinion on someone else. This is sign of conflict, what is your solution for its resolution? Can you therefore see why we need a common ground?

regards and all the best.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
#28
Religion is a danger to a civilized society. Religion divides people, religion encourages people to look down upon those who are not the followers, it encourages hate and some times killings and terrorism

Do you want a ban on religion to make society a more civilized one?
Dear liberal, do you take islam as deen or mazhab? We can start from there whether you are right or wrong and why or why not.

regards and all the best.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
#29
You know every type of people exists in this world . Some people love to be commercialized !

Who we are to force people to act or use their body according to our wishes

Let the people live as they wish
Dear liberal, the world in which we live we cannot live in it the way we want as individuals because we individuals are not alone all by ourselves on this planet. We did not come to be on our own rather others brought us about eg our parents. We are not independent at all but fully interlinked and interconnected in various ways that is why we are forced to talk to each other. This talking is our interaction with each other. If we were fully independent of each other we could not even know if we existed other than ourselves alone.

It is because whatever we each believe and do affects all the rest of us to various degrees that we try to help each other learn sense and believe and do what is true and right.

So talking about independence from each other is nonsense therefore we must talk about common ground between us. We can never have a common ground and be at peace with each other which gives undue advantage to one side in comparison to the other side. So we have only and only two choices ie either to talk sense with each other by learning sense or keep on fighting with each other over our differences till last man standing. Therefore it is better to talk but talk sense rather than take the other road and be gone by way of destroying each other.

This is where in comes God, his creation and revelation to guide us to the right path so that we could learn to live in this world properly. So long as we will abuse each other in various ways peace will remain a distant dream.

regards and all the best.
 
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#30
Dear revolutionist, since you claim to be an atheist, you have no foot to stand upon because in your case only and only might is right can be the rule. This is exactly what is happening throughout our world. Who are the rulers, money lenders, mullas and their touts? They are atheists in disguise. Ask any of them what do they really know about God, his creation and his revelation? Absolutely nothing at all.

If I opened up a debate with you and others like you this fact will become clearly obvious. If you are in any doubt please go ahead and we can discuss these things in detail right here. You are an atheists not because you have actually studied the creation and revelation of God in needed detail but because you are fed up with manipulation by rulers, money lenders, mullas and their touts. You want a just and fair world but you think you cannot get it without being an atheist but that is being out of frying pan into the fire.

Atheism and agnosticism is in no position to decide morality or law of the land that is fair or just. To begin with you cannot rule out possibility of existence of God as you cannot prove for sure God cannot exist or does not exist. Moreover you have no idea at all how creation and revelation together can actually prove existence of God. You have no idea how to decode revelation of God or how to make proper sense of it properly.

I do not accept that all people who claim to be muslims are truly muslims because if they were they could not be living by anything other than the quran based deen of islam. Anyone can claim one is a muslim including myself but what do I know about deen of islam from the quran will prove whether I am truly a muslim or just paying lip service to deen of islam?

Athests must never bring mullas and deen of islam together as one and the same thing. Mullas have their own agendas which are anti deen of islam. If anyone claims deen of islam is what mullas say and do then burden of proof rest with that person to prove mullas are truly muslims according to the quran. None can do that not even you. The fact is mullas themselves cannot do so let alone anyone else on their behalf. Any scientist, any philosopher any mulla disciple is welcome to try and do so.

So people should talk about deen of islam on basis of the quran alone and to the best of their own study of the quran in light of the real world realities which is not based upon mullas' translations and interpretations of the quran. Only such people have right to talk about the quran be it all negative. Ignorant people talking about the quran is neither here nor there. That is just waste of time, plan and simple.

regards and all the best.
Keep your reply short and to the point.I do no have time to read the things about your made up theory and miscinception about atheism.Since you are the followers of stone age theory,that itself tells me a lot about your IQ level. Go and do some brain storming.
 

Liberal 000

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
#31
Dear liberal, do you take islam as deen or mazhab? We can start from there whether you are right or wrong and why or why not.

regards and all the best.
Bro thanks for your insight I really appreciate it. Though I am a Muslim by accident of birth but my leanings are towards deism. I think it will be a useless effort to discuss religion here

We all should be free to chose right or wrong path and let the God decide. If you think it is your responsibility to force people chose right or wrong path then you are responsible for the good or bad decisions of such individuals not the individuals indulging in such activities!
 
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