You too Canada??? Islamisation is problem, says Prime Minister Stephen Harper

[bons]

Just go on you tube and search " lessons in hate and violence " and you will find out. I think I still need to provide proof for 7/7 as well.

I dont need to do any search. You are just jumping here and there like monkeys and trying to ridicule Islam and Pakistan. Have you ever opened your mouth against state terrorim of India, Israel and America

 

[SalmanKhanN]

The first verse u took is this one,..was surah 5 and verse 51 which says..

51. O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust).

You took three different Ayahs and combined the together..the second one is surah 9 and verse 5...it is talking about the mushrikeen not jews and christians..and u can read further..the context of the surah..it says if they do treaty the spare them..please dont just take one sentence and try to trick muslim..we are not like christians..we know our stuff..atleast more then the non muslims..it even says if the mushrikeen seeks protection from you grant them protection...i mean bro why u being so blind to all this and spreading in this minipulated way..May Allah SWT guide u to the straight path..


9. Surah At-Taubah (The Repentance)


1. Freedom from (all) obligations (is declared) from Allah and His Messenger (

) to those of the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah), with whom you made a treaty.
2. So travel freely (O Mushrikun - see V.2:105) for four months (as you will) throughout the land, but know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allah, and Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.
3. And a declaration from Allah and His Messenger to mankind on the greatest day (the 10th of Dhul-Hijjah - the 12th month of Islamic calendar) that Allah is free from (all) obligations to the Mushrikun (see V.2:105) and so is His Messenger. So if you (Mushrikun) repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allah. And give tidings (O Muhammad

) of a painful torment to those who disbelieve.
4. Except those of the Mushrikun with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allah loves Al- Mattaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).
5. Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
6. And if anyone of the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Qur'an), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.
7. How can there be a covenant with Allah and with His Messenger for the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) except those with whom you made a covenant near Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah)? So long, as they are true to you, stand you true to them. Verily, Allah loves Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).
8. How (can there be such a covenant with them) that when you are overpowered by them, they regard not the ties, either of kinship or of covenant with you? With (good words from) their mouths they please you, but their hearts are averse to you, and most of them are Fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient to Allah).

Verse 29 of this surah u mentioned..says fight against them but it says..if they pay Jiztah which means TAX..it says then Spare them..so if u pay tax then no problem with you...

29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.


Now can u tell me where things are wrong for Christians and JEWS???...so what are u trying to say..all the verses in detail are infront of you..wht is wrong in that,..dont spread falsehood..first learn about the relgion before trying to be a scholar in the religion..the stuff i posted is basic stuff..

Take not the Jews and Christians for friends
Slay the idolaters [infidels] wherever ye find them.
Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day. (Sura 5:51; 9:5,29,41).

These are lines from Quran and Hadith, and conclusion is simple.

If you believe in these lines then please explain logically why we should not be careful about you?

 

[Unicorn]

I dont need to do any search. You are just jumping here and there like monkeys and trying to ridicule Islam and Pakistan. Have you ever opened your mouth against state terrorim of India, Israel and America

Relax, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Thats how life works.

 

[bons]

Relax, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Thats how life works.

Whatever your logic is, terrorism should not be linked with Islam as Islam doesnt teach extremism. Islam teaches moderation. If somebody commits act of terrorism then he should be called terrorist. Islam should not be involved in it.

The guy who killed more than 70 people was not Muslim so nobody highlighted his faith or religion. But if he were a Muslim then everybody would use words like islamist, radical muslim, muslim extremist etc. Harper is also barking to appease jews to get their monetory support and votes in upcoming provincial elections.

 

[-CSIS-]

The first verse u took is this one,..was surah 5 and verse 51 which says..

51. O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust).

You took three different Ayahs and combined the together..the second one is surah 9 and verse 5...it is talking about the mushrikeen not jews and christians..and u can read further..the context of the surah..it says if they do treaty the spare them..please dont just take one sentence and try to trick muslim..we are not like christians..we know our stuff..atleast more then the non muslims..it even says if the mushrikeen seeks protection from you grant them protection...i mean bro why u being so blind to all this and spreading in this minipulated way..May Allah SWT guide u to the straight path..


9. Surah At-Taubah (The Repentance)


1. Freedom from (all) obligations (is declared) from Allah and His Messenger (

) to those of the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah), with whom you made a treaty.
2. So travel freely (O Mushrikun - see V.2:105) for four months (as you will) throughout the land, but know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allah, and Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.
3. And a declaration from Allah and His Messenger to mankind on the greatest day (the 10th of Dhul-Hijjah - the 12th month of Islamic calendar) that Allah is free from (all) obligations to the Mushrikun (see V.2:105) and so is His Messenger. So if you (Mushrikun) repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allah. And give tidings (O Muhammad

) of a painful torment to those who disbelieve.
4. Except those of the Mushrikun with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allah loves Al- Mattaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).
5. Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
6. And if anyone of the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Qur'an), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.
7. How can there be a covenant with Allah and with His Messenger for the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) except those with whom you made a covenant near Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah)? So long, as they are true to you, stand you true to them. Verily, Allah loves Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).
8. How (can there be such a covenant with them) that when you are overpowered by them, they regard not the ties, either of kinship or of covenant with you? With (good words from) their mouths they please you, but their hearts are averse to you, and most of them are Fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient to Allah).

Verse 29 of this surah u mentioned..says fight against them but it says..if they pay Jiztah which means TAX..it says then Spare them..so if u pay tax then no problem with you...

29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.


Now can u tell me where things are wrong for Christians and JEWS???...so what are u trying to say..all the verses in detail are infront of you..wht is wrong in that,..dont spread falsehood..first learn about the relgion before trying to be a scholar in the religion..the stuff i posted is basic stuff..

Thanks for supporting me and adding to my point.

 

[Unicorn]

Whatever your logic is, terrorism should not be linked with Islam as Islam doesnt teach extremism. Islam teaches moderation. If somebody commits act of terrorism then he should be called terrorist. Islam should not be involved in it.

The guy who killed more than 70 people was not Muslim so nobody highlighted his faith or religion. But if he were a Muslim then everybody would use words like islamist, radical muslim, muslim extremist etc. Harper is also barking to appease jews to get their monetory support and votes in upcoming provincial elections.

Bro all I have stated here for your consideration is that there is a significant MINORITY of people who consider themselves MUSLIMS and they are radicalized. You may disagree that it is not a SIGNIFICANT minority I can accept that. Logical speaking, if Islam was to promote terrorism than obviously a significant MAJORITY would be radicalized, which is clearly not the case.

All I have stated that whether its small minority or a significant minority you have to acknowledge the problem. Example: a few days ago there was a thread about a gentleman name Khataab and his Janaza who was alleged to have masterminded the killing of children in Russia. If you go to the thread you will see that a few people had praised him but there was one person, I believe a Pakistani Muslim, had called him a terrorist other than that everyone on this forum was silent. I would try like to understand why there is silence, logically.

Condemning Stephan Harper will not do any good, I am thinking along the same lines as him.

 

[Humi]

What else can you expect from a psycho like Stephen Harper....(clap)

 

[garry317]

What else can you expect from a psycho like Stephen Harper....(clap)

well this is under consideration by many other countries too.....so cant call psycho to every body..;)

 

[Humi]

well this is under consideration by many other countries too.....so cant call psycho to every body..;)

many canadians call him psycho..anyway, i am not going to have an argument over whether he is a psycho or not...(serious)

 

[garry317]

many canadians call him psycho..anyway, i am not going to have an argument over whether he is a psycho or not...(serious)

ok ji ,jaise aapki marji.......(bigsmile)

 

[. Maha]

Canadians consider Aga Khanis as MUSLIMS , also Ismailis........ Such Islamization is really a problem for them?

 

[biofilm]

He was not a chritian, He in fact did not like Christian religion. I don't think you read very much. Information from buddies wont give you knowledge. you have to read it for yourself.

Hitler was a Christian? again I don't know where you read your history lessons, may be from Zahid Hamid or some extremist scholar. He was not a Christian but he sure was in contact with Mohammad Amin al-Husseini from Ottoman empire.
Please take sometime to read. thanks

...and what about that chris.tian A** HO*E who killed almost 100 guys in Norway few weeks back???

Is it okay to be a christ.ian and kill people like crazy... Who was Hitler by the way (a chris.tian I gusess)​

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

Bro all I have stated here for your consideration is that there is a significant MINORITY of people who consider themselves MUSLIMS and they are radicalized. You may disagree that it is not a SIGNIFICANT minority I can accept that. Logical speaking, if Islam was to promote terrorism than obviously a significant MAJORITY would be radicalized, which is clearly not the case.

All I have stated that whether its small minority or a significant minority you have to acknowledge the problem. Example: a few days ago there was a thread about a gentleman name Khataab and his Janaza who was alleged to have masterminded the killing of children in Russia. If you go to the thread you will see that a few people had praised him but there was one person, I believe a Pakistani Muslim, had called him a terrorist other than that everyone on this forum was silent. I would try like to understand why there is silence, logically.

Condemning Stephan Harper will not do any good, I am thinking along the same lines as him.

You can think what you like to think . I have a strong reservation about his statements and his judgment. One of the NGOS which did a lots of great work providing help in ghaza strip and other areas to the Palestinians, were denied Government funding only because the Jews organizations pressed this moron to stop the funding . His statements regarding the Isreali agression is not something which should be proud of. His singling out Islam is a seeded hidden hatred which he carried from his early past when he was a member of Preston Manning party and was promoting his brand of conservatism. There was another one of the rat pack, called Jaffar.He was no different than him insulting the intellectual of many Canadians. I include current Mayor of Torornto to the same pack. The glowing Red Neck, beer drinking Parasite who happened to got on the band weagon of power. The stereo typing and branding and labeling the whole community is a sign of inferior intellectual and suppressed personality. I remember in one of his stetments he was comparing the Canadian Values as same as Isreali Values. He forgot to ask the common Canadians on the streets if Canada ever illegaly occupied any land and kept its populus under occupation . I guess you would get the answer straight. I don't know if your line of thinking is the same as his.

 

[Unicorn]

You can think what you like to think . I have a strong reservation about his statements and his judgment. One of the GNOs which did a lots of great work providing help in ghaza strip and other areas to the Palestinians, were denied Government funding only because the Jews organizations pressed this moron to stop the funding . His statements regarding the Isreali agression is not something which should be proud of. His singling out Islam is a seeded hidden hatred which he carried from his early past when he was a member of Preston Manning party and was promoting his brand of conservatism. There was another one of the rat pack, called Jaffar.He was no different than him insulting the intellectual of many Canadians. I include current Mayor of Torornto to the same pack. The glowing Red Neck, beer drinking Parasite who happened to got on the band weagon of power. The stereo typing and branding and labeling the whole community is a sign of inferior intellectual and suppressed personality. I remember in one of his stetments he was comparing the Canadian Values as same as Isreali Values. He forgot to ask the common Canadians on the streets if Canada ever illegaly occupied any land and kept its populus under occupation . I guess you would get the answer straight. I don't know if your line of thinking is the same as his.

I disagree with him in regards to the Palestine issue.