Why everyone wants S-400 as India buys in

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Its useless in our scenario when are borders are right next to each other, S400s biggest trick is its long range
 

Nadir Bashir

Minister (2k+ posts)
Its useless in our scenario when are borders are right next to each other, S400s biggest trick is its long range
I will not agree with your opinion. I think we must have a same capability.
No.1 to guard our coastal areas which are almost 750 Kilometers. Considering range, radius and height, we will need at least two batteries of it.
Also to Protect, central Pakistan, we will also need at least three battries to defend major cities and defence installations.
India will be in a position to create a No Fly Zone in areas of its choice which will be a great disadvantage to our infantry units.
But in any case, each system has limits to its fire power. We must have enough fire power to consume S-400 fire power. So S-400 will only be used to protect major and sensitive installations.

At least we will need around 400~500 ballistic missiles to consume fire power of S-400 totalling to no of S-400 missiles india is buying.........
 

Lord Botta

Minister (2k+ posts)
Its useless in our scenario when are borders are right next to each other, S400s biggest trick is its long range
Its biggest trick is its speed (mach 14) and precision. A fighter aircraft is at Max 10-14 KM above the ground. S-400 is damn lethal so lets think about some antidote for it rather than downplaying the weapon.
 

Nadir Bashir

Minister (2k+ posts)
I think Pakistan must focus on buying Pantsir S-1 defence system for protection of infantry units. which has an effective range of almost 20 Kilometers means it can be station 10~15 Kilometers behind forwarding armoured or infantry cops...............Its highly mobile and can provide air cover......................
Also a medium range system shall also be bought to impose a No Fly Zone in areas of our choice.
Thirdly A Protection System consisting of S-400 Type long range, Meduim Range and Short Range to protect major defence installations, coastal ports and major cities...............
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Its biggest trick is its speed (mach 14) and precision. A fighter aircraft is at Max 10-14 KM above the ground. S-400 is damn lethal so lets think about some antidote for it rather than downplaying the weapon.
It's no point in getting into an arms race with India, they can clearly outspend us in that department. Only solution is to develop something better locally. Which I don't know if we are capable of or have the budget for development.

Basically there isn't much we can do, other than train our pilots in better SAM detection and avoidance.
 

insouciant

Minister (2k+ posts)
Send a missile with a Nuclear Warhead against S-400. If it'll intercept it, it'd multiply the damage manifold by increasing the impact zone of radiation! ? ?

It's no point in getting into an arms race with India, they can clearly outspend us in that department. Only solution is to develop something better locally. Which I don't know if we are capable of or have the budget for development.

Basically there isn't much we can do, other than train our pilots in better SAM detection and avoidance.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Send a missile with a Nuclear Warhead against S-400. If it'll intercept it, it'd multiply the damage manifold by increasing the impact zone of radiation! ? ?
That's a really really really dumb idea, 1st we should never ever in any circumstance use Nuclear weapons first, Second in case you have forgotten we are right next to them and we will also receive the fall out along with a dozen other countries in the region due to an high altitude nuclear explosion.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
3rd Nuclear weapons don't work that way. The missile will get damaged and most probably will explode but the Nuclear warhead wont go off. Might as well just lob a nuclear warhead over the LOC with a slingshot.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
India has bigger requirements than Pakistan. They have to counter China and they have a much bigger coast line and international border to defend. We can sufficiently meet our defence needs with a budget 5 times smaller.

We do not need long range double engine fighter jets like Su-30 or S-400. F-16s and Jf-17, S-200 and S-300 are enough for our requirements. Few submarines and anti-ship missiles can defend our coastline.


It's no point in getting into an arms race with India, they can clearly outspend us in that department. Only solution is to develop something better locally. Which I don't know if we are capable of or have the budget for development.

Basically there isn't much we can do, other than train our pilots in better SAM detection and avoidance.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
India has bigger requirements than Pakistan. They have to counter China and they have a much bigger coast line and international border to defend. We can sufficiently meet our defence needs with a budget 5 times smaller.

We do not need long range double engine fighter jets like Su-30 or S-400. F-16s and Jf-17, S-200 and S-300 are enough for our requirements. Few submarines and anti-ship missiles can defend our coastline.


It's no point in getting into an arms race with India, they can clearly outspend us in that department. Only solution is to develop something better locally. Which I don't know if we are capable of or have the budget for development.

Basically there isn't much we can do, other than train our pilots in better SAM detection and avoidance.
 

AdamA

Senator (1k+ posts)
I think Pakistan must focus on buying Pantsir S-1 defence system for protection of infantry units. which has an effective range of almost 20 Kilometers means it can be station 10~15 Kilometers behind forwarding armoured or infantry cops...............Its highly mobile and can provide air cover......................
Also a medium range system shall also be bought to impose a No Fly Zone in areas of our choice.
Thirdly A Protection System consisting of S-400 Type long range, Meduim Range and Short Range to protect major defence installations, coastal ports and major cities...............

Pantsir S-1 has been compromised and ineffective platform duly demonstrated in Syria. Israel will pass all countermeasures to India.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
India has bigger requirements than Pakistan. They have to counter China and they have a much bigger coast line and international border to defend. We can sufficiently meet our defence needs with a budget 5 times smaller.

We do not need long range double engine fighter jets like Su-30 or S-400. F-16s and Jf-17, S-200 and S-300 are enough for our requirements. Few submarines and anti-ship missiles can defend our coastline.
Thats what I was basically trying to say in my first post this is nothing we have to be worried about. Since India and Pakistan are attached at the hip, long range means nothings in a defensive weapon like SAMs.

Plus Indians are hopeless are operating their hardware, they keep crashing their jets on the regular, a small and short lived aerial skirmish at the LOC and they shot down their own chopper with their SAMs. While our SAM got a Bison.

God Forbid if there ever are any future hostilities. The S 400s will shoot more IAF aircraft than Pakistani or Chinese
 

insouciant

Minister (2k+ posts)
WarHeads can be configured to either trigger on impact or GPS location. They can't differentiate if the impact was on ground, aircraft or anti-missile. An impact against anything is an impact for them! Anti-Aircrafts/missiles are only good for conventional warheads! Otherwise, they can cause more harm than good for whoever is using them.

In the words of Modi Gee!! Nuclear bomb humne diwali pe phaarne k liye nai rakhe huaye! ? ? ?


3rd Nuclear weapons don't work that way. The missile will get damaged and most probably will explode but the Nuclear warhead wont go off. Might as well just lob a nuclear warhead over the LOC with a slingshot.
 

AdamA

Senator (1k+ posts)
I will not agree with your opinion. I think we must have a same capability.
No.1 to guard our coastal areas which are almost 750 Kilometers. Considering range, radius and height, we will need at least two batteries of it.
Also to Protect, central Pakistan, we will also need at least three battries to defend major cities and defence installations.
India will be in a position to create a No Fly Zone in areas of its choice which will be a great disadvantage to our infantry units.
But in any case, each system has limits to its fire power. We must have enough fire power to consume S-400 fire power. So S-400 will only be used to protect major and sensitive installations.

At least we will need around 400~500 ballistic missiles to consume fire power of S-400 totalling to no of S-400 missiles india is buying.........

India is acquiring the necessary assets for war. The earliest possibility for hostilities would be late 2021.
 
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Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
WarHeads are triggered on impact and they can't differentiate if the impact was on ground, aircraft or anti-missile. An impact against anything is an impact for them!

In the words of Modi Gee!! Nuclear bomb humne diwali pe phaarne k liye nai rakhe huaye! ? ? ?
I could use your own line and tell you you don't know what you are talking about and acting like a class 5 child, but I won't. ?

Go look up how nuclear warheads detonate, I'll tell you this that they don't detonate on impact. Even the crappy by todays standards the atom bombs dropped in japan were detonated 500 mtrs above ground, they did not detonate on impact.

Infact a nuclear warhead can withstand a impact and lie in burning fuel for quite a while before its starts to get compromised, even then it does not detonate. The nuclear chain reaction needed to set off a nuclear warhead is not like gun powder that you light a match to it and it will explode
 

insouciant

Minister (2k+ posts)
That was so 1945's!!! Technology has moved a long way now! They can be now configured to detonate on impact, baromatric pressure, timer, height etc. If you know that your enemy has deployed S-400! Then why won't you use it on impact configuration! ? ?

I could use your own line and tell you you don't know what you are talking about and acting like a class 5 child, but I won't. ?

Go look up how nuclear warheads detonate, I'll tell you this that they don't detonate on impact. Even the crappy by todays standards the atom bombs dropped in japan were detonated 500 mtrs above ground, they did not detonate on impact.

Infact a nuclear warhead can withstand a impact and lie in burning fuel for quite a while before its starts to get compromised, even then it does not detonate. The nuclear chain reaction needed to set off a nuclear warhead is not like gun powder that you light a match to it and it will explode