When were the first books of Hadith written after the death of Prophet SAWW

[GuyFawkes]

The death of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) occurred in 632 CE, and the compilation of the six major Hadith books occurred over the next two to three centuries. During this time, the Hadith were primarily transmitted orally from generation to generation.

1. Muwatta Imam Malik: Compiled by Imam Malik ibn Anas, the Muwatta was written in the late 8th century (around 767-768 CE), approximately 135 to 136 years after the death of the Prophet.
2. Sahih Bukhari: Compiled by Imam Muhammad ibn Ismail al-Bukhari, Sahih Bukhari was completed in the early 9th century (around 846 CE), approximately 214 years after the death of the Prophet.
3. Sahih Muslim: Compiled by Imam Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj, Sahih Muslim was completed in the early 9th century (around 875 CE), approximately 243 years after the death of the Prophet.
4. Sunan Abu Dawood: Compiled by Imam Abu Dawood, this collection was completed in the late 9th century (around 889 CE), approximately 257 years after the death of the Prophet.
5. Jami' at-Tirmidhi: Compiled by Imam al-Tirmidhi, this collection was completed in the early 10th century (around 892 CE), approximately 260 years after the death of the Prophet.
6. Sunan an-Nasa'i: Compiled by Imam al-Nasa'i, this collection was completed in the early 10th century (around 915 CE), approximately 283 years after the death of the Prophet.
7. Sunan Ibn Majah: Compiled by Imam Ibn Majah, this collection was completed in the late 9th century (around 887 CE), approximately 255 years after the death of the Prophet.

 

[Complete Sense]

And we believe on these hadees???why we have to believe on these writers ??they were not saints, or prophets or any other credibility.........that's why we Muslims are not united

 

[Qutubddin Aibak Qazilbash]

If you start scratching the surface, some very very unsavory and stinging realiaties come to haunt you...

1. Makkah: middle of no where, no water, never mentioned in any pre-abbasi texts, never in any ancient maps, no fruits, no vegetation.....yet birthplace of all prophet, ancient civilisation -really?
2. Direction of Qibla : Old mosques do not face Kaaba/Mecca
3. Is it khana Kaaba which is sacred or is it Hajar-e-Aswad which is the real sacred stone?
4. Seerut-tun-nabi books written 250 years later, some 1000 miles away, in an era where life expectancy was around 55 and people were born, raised and died typically within a 15 mile radius.....and you think that text would be flawless? really?

 

[me.consultant]

And we believe on these hadees???why we have to believe on these writers ??they were not saints, or prophets or any other credibility.........that's why we Muslims are not united

Are you even MUSLIM?

 

[Qutubddin Aibak Qazilbash]

Are you even MUSLIM?

There is not even a single ayat in the entire Quran which says that Hadees or Saha Sittah ought to be blindly obeyed in order to be a musalmaan.

 

[GuyFawkes]

If you start scratching the surface, some very very unsavory and stinging realiaties come to haunt you...

1. Makkah: middle of no where, no water, never mentioned in any pre-abbasi texts, never in any ancient maps, no fruits, no vegetation.....yet birthplace of all prophet, ancient civilisation -really?
2. Direction of Qibla : Old mosques do not face Kaaba/Mecca
3. Is it khana Kaaba which is sacred or is it Hajar-e-Aswad which is the real sacred stone?
4. Seerut-tun-nabi books written 250 years later, some 1000 miles away, in an era where life expectancy was around 55 and people were born, raised and died typically within a 15 mile radius.....and you think that text would be flawless? really?

1. This has been disproven by most scholars, this was a false understanding, now we know that mecca existed for thousands of years before the Prophet Muhammad and it is even pointed in bible.Psalm 84:1-12)
with the discover of Birmingham manuscripts and modern historical research put prophet and quran in the exact time when both are supposed to be. so this is a foolish point.

2. this is kinda understandable as people used different methods to calcuate direction of qibla, when better methods were implement the qibla direction became universally uniform.

3. This is a moot point, neither Qaba nor Hazre aswad are included in the principle of creed, yes they are tabarakat and important but not certainly related to basic beliefs.

4. Here you made typica mistakes. first, life expectancy DOES NOT MEAN what you think it means, it is the average age of all live births which get lower due to high child mortality. People live long life in all ages but average life expectancy was low due to high rate of juvenile deaths. Secondly, Sunnah and sira were a guarded knowledge from the very start and people kept this information recorded but the compilation were done later.

Hadith and sunnah used to be two difference things, Hadith/asaar are history of muslims, sunnah is the continued traditions of muslims that were always followed everywhere.

https://explorethebible.lifeway.com/blog/adults/the-view-from-the-valley-session-5-psalm-841-12/​

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[Qutubddin Aibak Qazilbash]

Seem to have an answer for everything ...simplifcation, obfuscation, super natural beliefs, circumloculations, poetic reasoning, false logic, manufactured premise. The basic principle of proving anything in science is by proving that alternate is true ( null hypothesis)....everything falls flat on that principle. I wont even go into topic of 'manuscripts' because that might offend people and lead to endless circular arguments ...that is another can of worms!! Even as a born , raised and practising muslim ..I can contend with the possibility of Mecca not being what it has been sold as but anything more than that it, is far more anxiety and cognitive dissonance provoking for my own comfort level.

 

[Wake up Pak]

The death of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) occurred in 632 CE, and the compilation of the six major Hadith books occurred over the next two to three centuries. During this time, the Hadith were primarily transmitted orally from generation to generation.

1. Muwatta Imam Malik: Compiled by Imam Malik ibn Anas, the Muwatta was written in the late 8th century (around 767-768 CE), approximately 135 to 136 years after the death of the Prophet.
2. Sahih Bukhari: Compiled by Imam Muhammad ibn Ismail al-Bukhari, Sahih Bukhari was completed in the early 9th century (around 846 CE), approximately 214 years after the death of the Prophet.
3. Sahih Muslim: Compiled by Imam Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj, Sahih Muslim was completed in the early 9th century (around 875 CE), approximately 243 years after the death of the Prophet.
4. Sunan Abu Dawood: Compiled by Imam Abu Dawood, this collection was completed in the late 9th century (around 889 CE), approximately 257 years after the death of the Prophet.
5. Jami' at-Tirmidhi: Compiled by Imam al-Tirmidhi, this collection was completed in the early 10th century (around 892 CE), approximately 260 years after the death of the Prophet.
6. Sunan an-Nasa'i: Compiled by Imam al-Nasa'i, this collection was completed in the early 10th century (around 915 CE), approximately 283 years after the death of the Prophet.
7. Sunan Ibn Majah: Compiled by Imam Ibn Majah, this collection was completed in the late 9th century (around 887 CE), approximately 255 years after the death of the Prophet.

These Ahadith framers can't and shouldn't all be associated with the Deen of Islam.

 

[Wake up Pak]

If you start scratching the surface, some very very unsavory and stinging realiaties come to haunt you...

1. Makkah: middle of no where, no water, never mentioned in any pre-abbasi texts, never in any ancient maps, no fruits, no vegetation.....yet birthplace of all prophet, ancient civilisation -really?
2. Direction of Qibla : Old mosques do not face Kaaba/Mecca
3. Is it khana Kaaba which is sacred or is it Hajar-e-Aswad which is the real sacred stone?
4. Seerut-tun-nabi books written 250 years later, some 1000 miles away, in an era where life expectancy was around 55 and people were born, raised and died typically within a 15 mile radius.....and you think that text would be flawless? really?

Some excerpts from the book "Sense and Sensibility in Islam"

There is physical evidence that the Arabic language as revealed in the Scriptures is a product of the Nabataeans who were dominant in the Jordan/Palestine area.• Mecca (in Saudi Arabia) cannot be found on any ancient trade map or recorded as a center for pilgrimage or major religious activity before the seventh century CE.

The Quranic verses below confirm that

37:133-138
And certainly, Lot was one of the messengers; when We saved him and all his people, except the incapable ones among those lagging behind (some of Lot’s people tarried); then, We “destroyed” the rest (who didn’t depart); and you (Oh! Prophet), pass by their ruins in the morning; and in the night. Do you not understand?”Patricia Crone was aware of this verse, but many “Muslims” are not. The part where it states: “you pass by their ruins in the morning and in the night.” What about the one that states “not very far from you”? Distances in those days were a journey, but for God to say “not very far from you”(see below) implies a destination quite close, otherwise, how could the Prophet pass by morning and evening?

11:89
“And, O my people, let not your dispute with me drive you into what befell the people of Noah, or the people of Hud, or the people of Saleh: and (note that) the people of Lot lived not very far from you!” a verse from the Quran which does give room for a lot of thought. The verse is depicted below: The picture that we get from these verses is that, as Crone has indicated, the Prophet of Arabia originated from a region in northwest Arabia. Exactly where we are not certain but quite close to the region of the Dead Sea in what is Jordan today. The region inhabited by Shoaib’s people extended from what is known today as the Gulf of Aqabah to the mountains of Moab, east of the Dead Sea, in the vicinity of where Sodom and Gomorrah were situated.

 

[Wake up Pak]

The death of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) occurred in 632 CE, and the compilation of the six major Hadith books occurred over the next two to three centuries. During this time, the Hadith were primarily transmitted orally from generation to generation.

1. Muwatta Imam Malik: Compiled by Imam Malik ibn Anas, the Muwatta was written in the late 8th century (around 767-768 CE), approximately 135 to 136 years after the death of the Prophet.
2. Sahih Bukhari: Compiled by Imam Muhammad ibn Ismail al-Bukhari, Sahih Bukhari was completed in the early 9th century (around 846 CE), approximately 214 years after the death of the Prophet.
3. Sahih Muslim: Compiled by Imam Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj, Sahih Muslim was completed in the early 9th century (around 875 CE), approximately 243 years after the death of the Prophet.
4. Sunan Abu Dawood: Compiled by Imam Abu Dawood, this collection was completed in the late 9th century (around 889 CE), approximately 257 years after the death of the Prophet.
5. Jami' at-Tirmidhi: Compiled by Imam al-Tirmidhi, this collection was completed in the early 10th century (around 892 CE), approximately 260 years after the death of the Prophet.
6. Sunan an-Nasa'i: Compiled by Imam al-Nasa'i, this collection was completed in the early 10th century (around 915 CE), approximately 283 years after the death of the Prophet.
7. Sunan Ibn Majah: Compiled by Imam Ibn Majah, this collection was completed in the late 9th century (around 887 CE), approximately 255 years after the death of the Prophet.

It should be known that none of the Hadith book writers were of Arab origin! Many were of Persian descent. They also did not live during the time of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (7th century of the Christian era) or the Sahabh's time or their immediate followers, nor did they meet in person with any of them. They lived approximately 250 to 300 years after the Prophet. That is in the 10th century of the Christian era. They collected their information from those who were not ear or eyewitnesses! All are based on conjecture.

 

[Citizen X]

The death of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) occurred in 632 CE, and the compilation of the six major Hadith books occurred over the next two to three centuries. During this time, the Hadith were primarily transmitted orally from generation to generation.

1. Muwatta Imam Malik: Compiled by Imam Malik ibn Anas, the Muwatta was written in the late 8th century (around 767-768 CE), approximately 135 to 136 years after the death of the Prophet.
2. Sahih Bukhari: Compiled by Imam Muhammad ibn Ismail al-Bukhari, Sahih Bukhari was completed in the early 9th century (around 846 CE), approximately 214 years after the death of the Prophet.
3. Sahih Muslim: Compiled by Imam Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj, Sahih Muslim was completed in the early 9th century (around 875 CE), approximately 243 years after the death of the Prophet.
4. Sunan Abu Dawood: Compiled by Imam Abu Dawood, this collection was completed in the late 9th century (around 889 CE), approximately 257 years after the death of the Prophet.
5. Jami' at-Tirmidhi: Compiled by Imam al-Tirmidhi, this collection was completed in the early 10th century (around 892 CE), approximately 260 years after the death of the Prophet.
6. Sunan an-Nasa'i: Compiled by Imam al-Nasa'i, this collection was completed in the early 10th century (around 915 CE), approximately 283 years after the death of the Prophet.
7. Sunan Ibn Majah: Compiled by Imam Ibn Majah, this collection was completed in the late 9th century (around 887 CE), approximately 255 years after the death of the Prophet.

Best part is as the time increases, so do the number of narrations. Al Muwatta has little under 2000 hadith of which around only 700 or so can be directly attributed to the Prophet.

Then as time goes on instead of people losing and forgetting narrations as time goes on, only natural for oral traditions to be lost in the sands of time, the exact opposite happens. With us landing up with 27,000 hadiths in the Musnad Ibn Hanbal.

Also if you look at the every hadith collection under a magnifying glass, almost all fail the criteria for being labeled "sahih" by standards set by hadith scholars themselves. Often entire collections are transmitted through some unknown transmitter. Such hadith that are transmitted by narrators that no one can vouch for are classified as mahjoul, just a class above fabricated hadith.

 

[Wake up Pak]

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Are ahadith, The Second Source of Islam?
People of the last ummah try to prove that unauthorized man-made books of ahadith, for which Allah never gave His approval, are the 2nd source of Deen. The undeniable fact is that these unauthorized books have been declared as hadith of the Messenger (S) by ghairullah (imaams, shiekhs, ulama). But---Allah The Most Wise Authorizes Al-Quraan as the Hadith of His Messenger (SAW). "Indeed, This (Quraan) is the Saying (Hadith) of a Noble Messenger(S)" (AlHaqqa-40)

 

[Rambler]

The death of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) occurred in 632 CE, and the compilation of the six major Hadith books occurred over the next two to three centuries. During this time, the Hadith were primarily transmitted orally from generation to generation.

1. Muwatta Imam Malik: Compiled by Imam Malik ibn Anas, the Muwatta was written in the late 8th century (around 767-768 CE), approximately 135 to 136 years after the death of the Prophet.
2. Sahih Bukhari: Compiled by Imam Muhammad ibn Ismail al-Bukhari, Sahih Bukhari was completed in the early 9th century (around 846 CE), approximately 214 years after the death of the Prophet.
3. Sahih Muslim: Compiled by Imam Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj, Sahih Muslim was completed in the early 9th century (around 875 CE), approximately 243 years after the death of the Prophet.
4. Sunan Abu Dawood: Compiled by Imam Abu Dawood, this collection was completed in the late 9th century (around 889 CE), approximately 257 years after the death of the Prophet.
5. Jami' at-Tirmidhi: Compiled by Imam al-Tirmidhi, this collection was completed in the early 10th century (around 892 CE), approximately 260 years after the death of the Prophet.
6. Sunan an-Nasa'i: Compiled by Imam al-Nasa'i, this collection was completed in the early 10th century (around 915 CE), approximately 283 years after the death of the Prophet.
7. Sunan Ibn Majah: Compiled by Imam Ibn Majah, this collection was completed in the late 9th century (around 887 CE), approximately 255 years after the death of the Prophet.

آپ بتائیں کہ ہمارے لئے کیا حکم ہے؟ ان مفید معلومات کی روشنی میں ہمیں کیا کرنا چاہیے اور کیا نہیں کرنا چاہیے؟

 

[Rambler]

If you start scratching the surface, some very very unsavory and stinging realiaties come to haunt you...

1. Makkah: middle of no where, no water, never mentioned in any pre-abbasi texts, never in any ancient maps, no fruits, no vegetation.....yet birthplace of all prophet, ancient civilisation -really?
2. Direction of Qibla : Old mosques do not face Kaaba/Mecca
3. Is it khana Kaaba which is sacred or is it Hajar-e-Aswad which is the real sacred stone?
4. Seerut-tun-nabi books written 250 years later, some 1000 miles away, in an era where life expectancy was around 55 and people were born, raised and died typically within a 15 mile radius.....and you think that text would be flawless? really?

Good work Watson - So there was no Makkah, No Prophet Muhammed (saw) and no revealed book (Quran); interesting.

 

[Rambler]

copied
Are ahadith, The Second Source of Islam?
People of the last ummah try to prove that unauthorized man-made books of ahadith, for which Allah never gave His approval, are the 2nd source of Deen. The undeniable fact is that these unauthorized books have been declared as hadith of the Messenger (S) by ghairullah (imaams, shiekhs, ulama). But---Allah The Most Wise Authorizes Al-Quraan as the Hadith of His Messenger (SAW). "Indeed, This (Quraan) is the Saying (Hadith) of a Noble Messenger(S)" (AlHaqqa-40)

And how do we know that Quran is the word of God and Muhammed (saw) is His Prophet? According to Mr Qutubddin Aibak Qazilbash, there was not even a city called Makkah, what to talk about the Prophet (saw) and Quran?

 

[Wake up Pak]

And how do we know that Quran is the word of God and Muhammed (saw) is His Prophet? According to Mr Qutubddin Aibak Qazilbash, there was not even a city called Makkah, what to talk about the Prophet (saw) and Quran?

The proof is in the Quran, not in the ahadith.


The Quran = God's Word
Ahadith = man's word

The Quran = 100% fact/truth/Perfect
Ahadith = mix of truth and falsehood (hence weak and strong hadith)

The Quran = was recorded under the DIRECT supervision of the prophet Muhammad
Ahadith = not recorded under the DIRECT supervision of prophet Muhammad

The Quran = written AND memorized word for word as soon as it was transmitted
Ahadith = no one ever claimed to record and memorize ahadith word for word as soon as it was transmitted

The Quran = is protected explicitly by God Himself as stated in The Quran
Ahadith = no such explicit protection stated

The Quran = no Muslim doubts its credibility
Ahadith = Each sect has its own versions, weak & strong ones, etc

The Quran = an in-built verification mechanism, e.g. challenges others to find an inconsistency, brings a chapter like it, etc.
Ahadith = no such in-built mechanism, full of inconsistencies, etc.

 

[Rambler]

If you start scratching the surface, some very very unsavory and stinging realiaties come to haunt you...

1. Makkah: middle of no where, no water, never mentioned in any pre-abbasi texts, never in any ancient maps, no fruits, no vegetation.....yet birthplace of all prophet, ancient civilisation -really?
2. Direction of Qibla : Old mosques do not face Kaaba/Mecca
3. Is it khana Kaaba which is sacred or is it Hajar-e-Aswad which is the real sacred stone?
4. Seerut-tun-nabi books written 250 years later, some 1000 miles away, in an era where life expectancy was around 55 and people were born, raised and died typically within a 15 mile radius.....and you think that text would be flawless? really?

Good work again. You seem very knowledgeable so you must have done the leg work:

1. Have you scoured all the pre abbasid texts and not found mention of Makkah? Please give a list of books that you have studied before the abbasid period?
2. Which old mosques are you referring to and how do you know that they did not face makkah?
3. You tell me ?
4. Quran was revealed / written 1400 years ago and you are saying there was no city called makkah and hence no Prophet (saw) so who wrote The Quran ?

Thank you

 

[Rambler]

The proof is in the Quran, not in the ahadith.


The Quran = God's Word (How do you know that?)
Ahadith = man's word

The Quran = 100% fact/truth/Perfect (How do you know?)
Ahadith = mix of truth and falsehood (hence weak and strong hadith)

The Quran = was recorded under the DIRECT supervision of the prophet Muhammad (How do you know?)
Ahadith = not recorded under the DIRECT supervision of prophet Muhammad

The Quran = written AND memorized word for word as soon as it was transmitted (How do you know?)
Ahadith = no one ever claimed to record and memorize ahadith word for word as soon as it was transmitted

The Quran = is protected explicitly by God Himself as stated in The Quran
Ahadith = no such explicit protection stated

The Quran = no Muslim doubts its credibility
Ahadith = Each sect has its own versions, weak & strong ones, etc

The Quran = an in-built verification mechanism, e.g. challenges others to find an inconsistency, brings a chapter like it, etc.
Ahadith = no such in-built mechanism, full of inconsistencies, etc.

Thanks !

 

[Wake up Pak]

Thanks !

Read it again!

The Quran = God's Word
Ahadith = man's word

The Quran = 100% fact/truth/Perfect
Ahadith = mix of truth and falsehood (hence weak and strong hadith)

The Quran = was recorded under the DIRECT supervision of the prophet Muhammad
Ahadith = not recorded under the DIRECT supervision of prophet Muhammad

The Quran = written AND memorized word for word as soon as it was transmitted
Ahadith = no one ever claimed to record and memorize ahadith word for word as soon as it was transmitted

The Quran = is protected explicitly by God Himself as stated in The Quran
Ahadith = no such explicit protection stated

The Quran = no Muslim doubts its credibility
Ahadith = Each sect has its own versions, weak & strong ones, etc

The Quran = an in-built verification mechanism, e.g. challenges others to find an inconsistency, brings a chapter like it, etc.
Ahadith = no such in-built mechanism, full of inconsistencies, etc.

 

[NasNY]

You guys are such imbeciles

These Hadith were written down and taught in schools since the time of Prophet Muhammad , Schools were established at the time of Muhammad for boys girls men and women. Documents existed these documents were collected in book format by the above mentioned authors.