When we radicalise modern Muslims !

ahsanuck

MPA (400+ posts)
The Words of z | When we radicalise modern Muslims
zcan Arjulovski
September 30, 2012 - 08:41



September 11. We all remember the date and what we were doing that day when the 110-story Twin Towers crumbled to the ground and became dust. Eleven years have since passed, but did we ever rise from that dust?

A certain amount of fear was created that day, and that fear had a visual character: that of a Muslim male with an Islamic mindset. To this day, we still link the Islamic mindset with an anti-democratic mindset, and sometimes even with terroristic behaviour. It’s important to differentiate the modern Muslims from the radicals, and it is especially important to support the modern Muslims who try to fight the radicals.

That’s why the Danish ethnic youth council Ny-Dansk Ungdomsrd choose to hold a conference on September 11 to look at how best to tackle political and religious radicalism. Among the speakers was the world famous scholar and professor Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri. The minister of social affairs, Karen Hkkerup, should have also been among the speakers, but she cancelled less then a week before the conference. Her reason was that ul-Qadri was attending the conference, and she claimed not to have noticed it before.


A few days before the conference, Hkkerup wrote on Facebook that she will refuse to be a speaker next to ul-Qadri because she “stands for democracy and he stands for Sharia”. She based her decision on a story about ul-Qadri that painted him as the architect of Pakistan’s blasphemy laws, which include calls for capital punishment.

Let’s look at some facts about Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri. In 2011, he, with his organisation Minhaj-ul-Quran, convened the ‘Peace for Humanity Conference’ at London’s Wembly Arena, which was attended by over 12,000 participants. He received supportive messages from people like Ban Ki-Moon, the secretary general of the United Nations, and David Cameron, the British prime minister. He has also released a 600-page fatwa (Islamic ruling) against terrorism. The writing details why it is not Islamic to commit violent acts, complete with Islamic sources that back up that assertion.

This was the main reason he was invited to Ny-Dansk Ungdomsrd’s radicalism conference in the first place. In general, he works for peace and tolerance among different religions and cultures.

Hkkerup announced her decision about not attending the conference before ul-Qadri had a chance to defend himself against the blasphemy story. He was later interviewed on TV2 News and made it clear that he had nothing to do with the procedural part of the law, and that he actually tried to stop its implementation. This invalidated Hkkerup’s reason for not showing up, but she refused to comment further.

We had a world-renowned anti-terror scholar come all the way to Denmark to speak to our youth about why terror is an un-Islamic action, and about how to fight those thoughts that lead to terror.


This should have been a dream scenario for the Danish minister: a Muslim leader who calls on Muslims to participate in democracy and society. He has even said: “If you don’t respect the Danish constitution, then why are you here?”

But still ul-Qadri was called a radical Islamist by several media outlets.

Calling a pro-democratic scholar a radical Muslim, and putting him in the same box as anti-democratic voices, leaves the question: just who qualifies as a modern, moderate Muslim? Is it first when you abandon your Islamic value, and act anti-Islamic in public?
If you are a Muslim in the public sphere, and don’t hide your Islamic beliefs or appearance, politicians and the news media will always ask you religious questions looking for political answers. That makes it hard to build bridges. Instead of asking questions with expectations and demands, we should ask questions with the intention of understanding each other.

While he was here, journalists spent more time asking ul-Qadri questions about his past than questioning him about his international campaign to tackle radicalism.

When will they start asking the right questions instead of expecting the wrong answers? They made him look like a part of the problem, when he in fact a part of the solution.

Writer:zcan Ajrulovski was born in Sweden but has lived in Denmark since he was five years old. His parents came to Denmark in the late 60s from the Turkish part of Macedonia. He has a passion for writing poetry and has written political columns for metroXpress and other publications. See more at www.ozcana.com.

Source:http://cphpost.dk/commentary/cph-post-voices/words-öz-when-we-radicalise-modern-muslims

 

Lushahz

MPA (400+ posts)
Nice Thread....Unfortunately others now him well than us....
Thanks for uploading the Video which is reply to the false propaganda against Dr. Tahir ul Qadri Sahib....
 

Lushahz

MPA (400+ posts)
zcan Ajrulovski knows this well but some of jealous anti-Islam people are spreading false propaganda against Dr. Tahir ul Qadri....and some of our brothers are also helping them out un-intentionally....Please Open you eyes brothers...To whom you are helping and destroying Unity of Muslims and making those Anti Islamic Powers happy.......:(
He was later interviewed on TV2 News and made it clear that he had nothing to do with the [HI]procedural part[/HI] of the law.....
 

Lushahz

MPA (400+ posts)
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ahsanuck

MPA (400+ posts)
Yes, I agree..but I think that if the propganda at one side was from few jealous, illiterate & extremist molives & their followers belonging from all sects..but on the other side the most important thing is this that this time the major part of the propaganda was started from secular extremist groups ...you might have observed that being trapped the educated people like [MENTION=24375]AsifAmeer[/MENTION] were also part of spreading this disinformation without little research of the reality that was not expected from such a caliber persons....I hope they might have at least realized now because of their being silent ...I appreciate their gesture...........QUOTE=Mansur;1049041]Qadyani propaganda is now flopped.[/QUOTE]
 

wadera

Senator (1k+ posts)
I have written a long reply on another thread to this topic. However, few things to note:

1. I am 100% Muslim and as a Muslim it is my right to challenge anyone claiming things. Also, to check the facts and not be biased. Objectivity is what we need. Anyone who is labeling others based on their understanding is not right. Calling other Qadiani (Nauzbillah) is not right - unless you are 100% sure the person is Qadiani.

2. It is the contradicting statements of TUQ that worry me. To western audience he is championing minorities not blasphemy. To Pakistanis he is saying he is the creator of this law and applies to Muslims and non Muslims. This is a FACT.

3. There is particular video where people perform sajda (nauzbillah) to him . how can you folks explain that?

I am more than happy if someone (without posting any video etc) explain to me point 2.
 

ahsanuck

MPA (400+ posts)
Thanks for your kind comments...As far as your first Dr.Tahir ul Qadri's contradicting statement is concerned....as it is about video and wording so it is better to listen the clip shared in this thread,...hopefully you will get answer that there is no contraction at all...his statement in Pakistan or in Europe was same and he never withdrew his statement..his wordings are recorded.....if after listening the clip..you are not satisfied then I can not say any thing ..it is your way of thinking .....

Regarding your qeustion of "Sajda"...that was also about video and again you forbade to share the video...its OK
....Brother..this is very old wrong blame story of calling kissing of feet wrongly as a Sajda.....kissing is never sajda....Sajda with any intention is forbidden....if sajda is done with intention of respect or love then it is Harram...while if Sajda is done with intention of worship then it is Shirk....

As far as kissing feet is concerned , it is Sunnah of Prophet, sahabah and great scholars of1400 years.... no one ever think of kissing feet as a sajda otherwise same blames would on every one for last 1400 years....also we kiss feet and body parts of our loved, kids, parents....there is nothing wrong...

Regarding vidoe you are talking about ..here is its actual position..."Some mischievous and unwise people tampered with the video clips of Mahfil Samaa` held in Damascus under the banner of Minhaj-ul-Quran International in 2005 and uploaded them on the internet to propagate that people were falling in prostration before Shaykh-ul-Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri and that Shaykh-ul-Islam was appreciating the gesture. It is stated that no such incident took place and it is but a slander, pure and simple. Those who have cooked this conspiracy are afraid that their fabricated beliefs are being hammered. In their heart of hearts they are afraid of Shaykh-ul-Islam’s towering intellectual personality and his powerful arguments based on Quran and Hadith. They are, through these base tricks, trying to distract the attention of people from Shaykh-ul-Islam’s wisdom-laden speeches and books. Mindlessly, they are flinging mud on the person who presented Islam based the Holy Qur`an and Hadith; on intellectual level they have yielded, so they are behaving in this foolish way. ""

First of all, we would take up for discussion the matter of video clip of Mahfil Samaa` held in Damascus so that the confusion of those unwise and simpleton people, who have developed doubt that (God forbid) someone is offering prostration to Shaykh-ul-Islam, may be clarified.

1. Shaykh-ul-Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri never allowed anyone in his life to fall in prostration before him. What to speak of prostration, he strictly forbids his followers to kiss his hands. He never likes the act of someone kissing his feet.

2. He can clearly be seen pushing the person away who was bending to kiss his feet in the video clip of Mahfil Samaa` held in Damascus. Is it not regrettable that some of the ‘blind’ commentators have interpreted his act as demonstration of appreciation?
3. The entire world knows this fact that Shaykh-ul-Islam offers his prayer while sitting in the chair due to pain in his backbone and always uses medicated seat for sitting purpose. Therefore it was not possible for him to suddenly bend down to stop the person from bowing to kiss his feet. However, he can be seen trying to stop him with his hands.
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4. The world also knows this too that he does use foot rest owing to pain in his backbone but he had participated in the Mahfil Samaa` held in Damascus during his journey. Therefore pillow was used due to unavailability of foot rest in the Mahfil Samaa`. The pill was not used there (God forbid) for people to bend over it and fall in prostration to him. What a pity that those commenting on it regarded it as an act of prostration in contravention of all cannons of justice and fair play!
5. Since the Mahfil Samaa` was held during the journey, therefore, it was not possible to make such arrangement as are normally made for such gatherings held at the central secretariat of Minhaj-ul-Quran International. In such gatherings, people are deputed to stop followers from kissing his feet strictly. If the video clip is reviewed by shunning all prejudice and partiality, it would become certain that one person is deputed there to prevent the followers from kissing his feet but when the person coming in did not find anyone on the other side, he took that way to be able to kiss his feet whom Shaykh-ul-Islam kept stopping strictly.
6. Therefore, it is not right for any Muslim to advertise and propagate anything without scrutiny and exact knowledge of facts. This is what the Holy Quran and the Sunna preach and is only the demand of the faith. So far as the kalam (poetry) being sung in the Mahfil Samma` is concerned, there is a message of Oneness of Allah (monotheism) in the poetry; based on mysticism and spiritualism. This kalam dedicated to Allah Almighty and the misuse of such kalam of excellence and highest order to establish one’s heinous and misplaced viewpoint is nothing but a sign of ignorance and out and out wretchedness.
We have so far clarified that Shaykh-ul-Islam neither liked the act of kissing his hands and feet nor ever encouraged it, leave alone falling in prostration before him. In his speeches and books, he has always dubbed the act of prostration for worship (sajda ibada) as polytheism (shirk) and prostration out of veneration (sajda tazim) for someone other than Allah as forbidden (haram). Two of his books namely Kitab at-Tawhid and Tazim and Ibada could be consulted in this regard along with his numerous lectures and speeches.

But a question arises here whether the act of kissing feet could be taken to mean prostration? Is kissing of feet an act of polytheism (shirk)? What are Islamic teachings about it? It is important to note as what would be the view of Islamic law if someone kissed the feet in peculiar circumstances? Given here below are some Prophetic traditions on the subject:
1. It is reported by Zari` ibn Aamir who came to the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) along with delegation of Abul Qays:
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لَمَّا قَدِمْنَا الْمَدِيْنَةَ فَجَعَلْنَا نَتَبَادَرُ مِنْ رَوَاحِلِنَا، فَنُقَبِّلُ يَدَ رَسُولِ اﷲِصلی الله عليه وآله وسلم وَرِجْلَهُ.​
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“When we came to the holy city of Madina, we jumped down from riding animals and began to kiss the blessed hands and feet of the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him).”​
This hadith is related by Imam Abu Dawud in as-Sunan (vol. 4, p. 357 # 5225). Moreover Imam Bayhaqi also narrated this in as-Sunan al-Kubra (vol. 7, p. 102) and Imam Tabarani in two of his books: al-Mujam al-Kabir (vol. 5, p. 275 # 5313); and al-Mujam al-Awsat (vol. 1, p. 133 # 418).




I have written a long reply on another thread to this topic. However, few things to note:

1. I am 100% Muslim and as a Muslim it is my right to challenge anyone claiming things. Also, to check the facts and not be biased. Objectivity is what we need. Anyone who is labeling others based on their understanding is not right. Calling other Qadiani (Nauzbillah) is not right - unless you are 100% sure the person is Qadiani.

2. It is the contradicting statements of TUQ that worry me. To western audience he is championing minorities not blasphemy. To Pakistanis he is saying he is the creator of this law and applies to Muslims and non Muslims. This is a FACT.

3. There is particular video where people perform sajda (nauzbillah) to him . how can you folks explain that?

I am more than happy if someone (without posting any video etc) explain to me point 2.
 

wadera

Senator (1k+ posts)
First things first .. I have replied to the blatant contradictions in the video THAT YOU POSTED in defense of TUQ. The reply is below and still awaiting your rebuttal.

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Originally Posted by ahsanuck
Here is the truth with full context of the video shared by cutting and editing...........
I know you will start weeping listening this because your lie and bukhtan is exposed................hope next time you will listen full wordings before and after the edited video.....




So, I have watched the video and this only confirms what I have mentioned earlier.

TUQ is speaking one language to his western audience i.e. championing the cause of minorities. That too has many contradictions, if I just look at the video you posted (touch on that later). Not sure if you watched the video I posted, it is clear that he is taking all the credit for the blasphemy law in front of his pakistani audience (if you know Urdu, you will agree). Some contradictions:

1. To western audience - he is against this law and the only role he had was to advise supreme court BUT to pakistani audience in video I posted he claims all credit.
2. To western audience - he says blasphemy law is only for Muslims .. to Pakistanis he says its for everyone including non Muslims.
3. In the video you posted there are following contradictions:
- He said no one has been convicted of blasphemy since the law came about, this is wrong. just check the details on google . many news archives are there to state otherwise.
- He is claiming that blasphemy law is only for Muslims but then by quoting Bible he makes a statement that this is valid for all three major religions

As I said, in general, I dont have a problem with him but I do have a serious problem with him when he is becoming the sole representative of Muslims. His credentials are doubtful. How can a person make contradictory statements represent Muslims? How can a person who can't state the truth represent Muslims?

So, if you want to revere him that is your choice but please don't impose on others to do so.

Also, please explain to me the logic of not trying non muslims under blasphemy law? Which Muslim in his/her right mind commit to blasphemy? And if he/she commits to blasphemy then he wouldn't be a Muslim, would he? Thus, if the law is not to be applied to non Muslims then there is no purpose of having this law in the first place.

Making sweeping statements is very easy but Allah Al Mighty has given you a brain, please use it and think. Also, TUQ in the video claims that in Denmark and other countries blasphemy can't be applied. At the start of this thread, following was quoted:

"He asked the government to convene an emergency meeting of OIC and bring the pressure to bear upon the influential countries through a resolution for legislation on respect for religions. He said that doing so was important as it would put a permanent end to the practice of blasphemy."

So, why the contradiction again? TUQ in the video you shared mentions blasphemy laws cannot be applied in countries like Denmark but yet he wants to fight the case of 1.5 Bn Muslims .. by using OIC to pass resolution for legislation on respect for religions. So, if I get this right, he is saying while blasphemy law cannot be applied to countries like Denmark, US etc ... there should be ANOTHER law that should be passed that forces a blanket cover to respect religions. This shows how far he is from reality. Firstly, who listens to OIC? Secondly, even if 'influential' countries start listening to OIC .. then how is this law different from blasphemy law? Are they going to tell the western countries to legislate the respect for religions but there is no deterrence if they don't. Or will it be that every religion follower has to respect only his/her religion. Doesn't make sense at all.

May Allah have Mercy on US and Allah Knows Best
 

wadera

Senator (1k+ posts)
Thanks for your kind comments...As far as your first Dr.Tahir ul Qadri's contradicting statement is concerned....as it is about video and wording so it is better to listen the clip shared in this thread,...hopefully you will get answer that there is no contraction at all...his statement in Pakistan or in Europe was same and he never withdrew his statement..his wordings are recorded.....if after listening the clip..you are not satisfied then I can not say any thing ..it is your way of thinking .....

Regarding your qeustion of "Sajda"...that was also about video and again you forbade to share the video...its OK
....Brother..this is very old wrong blame story of calling kissing of feet wrongly as a Sajda.....kissing is never sajda....Sajda with any intention is forbidden....if sajda is done with intention of respect or love then it is Harram...while if Sajda is done with intention of worship then it is Shirk....

As far as kissing feet is concerned , it is Sunnah of Prophet, sahabah and great scholars of1400 years.... no one ever think of kissing feet as a sajda otherwise same blames would on every one for last 1400 years....also we kiss feet and body parts of our loved, kids, parents....there is nothing wrong...

Regarding vidoe you are talking about ..here is its actual position..."Some mischievous and unwise people tampered with the video clips of Mahfil Samaa` held in Damascus under the banner of Minhaj-ul-Quran International in 2005 and uploaded them on the internet to propagate that people were falling in prostration before Shaykh-ul-Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri and that Shaykh-ul-Islam was appreciating the gesture. It is stated that no such incident took place and it is but a slander, pure and simple. Those who have cooked this conspiracy are afraid that their fabricated beliefs are being hammered. In their heart of hearts they are afraid of Shaykh-ul-Islam’s towering intellectual personality and his powerful arguments based on Quran and Hadith. They are, through these base tricks, trying to distract the attention of people from Shaykh-ul-Islam’s wisdom-laden speeches and books. Mindlessly, they are flinging mud on the person who presented Islam based the Holy Qur`an and Hadith; on intellectual level they have yielded, so they are behaving in this foolish way. ""

First of all, we would take up for discussion the matter of video clip of Mahfil Samaa` held in Damascus so that the confusion of those unwise and simpleton people, who have developed doubt that (God forbid) someone is offering prostration to Shaykh-ul-Islam, may be clarified.

1. Shaykh-ul-Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri never allowed anyone in his life to fall in prostration before him. What to speak of prostration, he strictly forbids his followers to kiss his hands. He never likes the act of someone kissing his feet.

2. He can clearly be seen pushing the person away who was bending to kiss his feet in the video clip of Mahfil Samaa` held in Damascus. Is it not regrettable that some of the ‘blind’ commentators have interpreted his act as demonstration of appreciation?
3. The entire world knows this fact that Shaykh-ul-Islam offers his prayer while sitting in the chair due to pain in his backbone and always uses medicated seat for sitting purpose. Therefore it was not possible for him to suddenly bend down to stop the person from bowing to kiss his feet. However, he can be seen trying to stop him with his hands.
542896_380555628663650_993378394_n.jpg


4. The world also knows this too that he does use foot rest owing to pain in his backbone but he had participated in the Mahfil Samaa` held in Damascus during his journey. Therefore pillow was used due to unavailability of foot rest in the Mahfil Samaa`. The pill was not used there (God forbid) for people to bend over it and fall in prostration to him. What a pity that those commenting on it regarded it as an act of prostration in contravention of all cannons of justice and fair play!
5. Since the Mahfil Samaa` was held during the journey, therefore, it was not possible to make such arrangement as are normally made for such gatherings held at the central secretariat of Minhaj-ul-Quran International. In such gatherings, people are deputed to stop followers from kissing his feet strictly. If the video clip is reviewed by shunning all prejudice and partiality, it would become certain that one person is deputed there to prevent the followers from kissing his feet but when the person coming in did not find anyone on the other side, he took that way to be able to kiss his feet whom Shaykh-ul-Islam kept stopping strictly.
6. Therefore, it is not right for any Muslim to advertise and propagate anything without scrutiny and exact knowledge of facts. This is what the Holy Quran and the Sunna preach and is only the demand of the faith. So far as the kalam (poetry) being sung in the Mahfil Samma` is concerned, there is a message of Oneness of Allah (monotheism) in the poetry; based on mysticism and spiritualism. This kalam dedicated to Allah Almighty and the misuse of such kalam of excellence and highest order to establish one’s heinous and misplaced viewpoint is nothing but a sign of ignorance and out and out wretchedness.
We have so far clarified that Shaykh-ul-Islam neither liked the act of kissing his hands and feet nor ever encouraged it, leave alone falling in prostration before him. In his speeches and books, he has always dubbed the act of prostration for worship (sajda ibada) as polytheism (shirk) and prostration out of veneration (sajda tazim) for someone other than Allah as forbidden (haram). Two of his books namely Kitab at-Tawhid and Tazim and Ibada could be consulted in this regard along with his numerous lectures and speeches.

But a question arises here whether the act of kissing feet could be taken to mean prostration? Is kissing of feet an act of polytheism (shirk)? What are Islamic teachings about it? It is important to note as what would be the view of Islamic law if someone kissed the feet in peculiar circumstances? Given here below are some Prophetic traditions on the subject:
1. It is reported by Zari` ibn Aamir who came to the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) along with delegation of Abul Qays:
[FONT=Al_Mushaf]
لَمَّا قَدِمْنَا الْمَدِيْنَةَ فَجَعَلْنَا نَتَبَادَرُ مِنْ رَوَاحِلِنَا، فَنُقَبِّلُ يَدَ رَسُولِ اﷲِصلی الله عليه وآله وسلم وَرِجْلَهُ.​
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“When we came to the holy city of Madina, we jumped down from riding animals and began to kiss the blessed hands and feet of the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him).”​
This hadith is related by Imam Abu Dawud in as-Sunan (vol. 4, p. 357 # 5225). Moreover Imam Bayhaqi also narrated this in as-Sunan al-Kubra (vol. 7, p. 102) and Imam Tabarani in two of his books: al-Mujam al-Kabir (vol. 5, p. 275 # 5313); and al-Mujam al-Awsat (vol. 1, p. 133 # 418).

I am happy that you agree with me that Sajda to people is shirk. We have some common ground. Now, if I were to prove to you beyond any doubt that these TUQ was allowing Sajda by his followers then would u condemn him?

Also, please BE VERY CAREFUL in what you are writing .. you are bordering to comparing this guy i.e. TUQ to our Great Prophet - how dare you do that?
 

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