US firms begin big job reshoring drive : Shining India to Whining India

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
US firms begin big job reshoring drive

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Shilpa Phadnis
, TNN | Mar 28, 2013, 02.50AM IST



BANGALORE: US-based Allison Transmission, which makes automatic transmission and hybrid propulsion systems for off-road and truck vehicle manufacturers, had offshored production of double disc grinders, used to accurately size parts, to a machinery manufacturer in Chennai. Last year, the firm reshored work back to the US, says a report by Reshoring Initiative, a US-based organization that is seeking to bring well-paying manufacturing jobs back to the US.

High unemployment rates and a consequent decline in wages in the US, combined with political pressure to create jobs locally, is pushing a growing number of American companies to reshore jobs - in other words, bring back jobs that were once offshored.

The trend is still very nascent, and is mostly in manufacturing, though IT services too have been impacted. General Motors announced last year it would cut the quantum of the company's IT outsourcing from 90% to 10% in about three years. Outsourcing companies such as HP/EDS, IBM, Capgemini, and Wipro now provide GM's IT services - from running data centres to writing applications.

ATM manufacturer NCR Corporation returned some part of ATM production from India, China and Hungary to a new manufacturing facility in Columbus, Ohio. Earlier, Ford Motor said it would be moving some work from Japan, Mexico and India to the US. The Indian work involved steel forging. In 2011, online backup solutions company Carbonite moved back jobs from its facility in Delhi to the US after it opened a dedicated customer support centre in Maine.

Harry Moser, founder of Reshoring Initiative, estimates on his website that 50,000 manufacturing jobs have been reshored to the US since January 2010. He said American companies often don't consider all of the costs involved in sending their manufacturing offshore, such as inventory carrying costs, traveling costs to check on suppliers, intellectual property risks and opportunity costs from product pipelines being too long.

A Boston Consulting Group report last year estimated that a manufacturing revival in the US could bring in 5 million jobs by 2020. Starbucks, Caterpillar, General Electric, Ford, lock maker Master Lock, and Google have all announced some new manufacturing initiatives in the US in the recent past.

Arup Roy, principal analyst with Gartner, said that companies in the US were exploring low-cost locations like Ohio and Canada that were significantly cheaper than the traditional US markets. "This works out well when geographic proximity has redefined the way services are structured and delivered. It also fulfills a political charter," he said.

IT analysts say that some companies involved in new product development want to retain the process in-house. "It's more of a tactical move. Companies may be keen to develop it internally, controlling data privacy and delivery timelines," said Sudin Apte, CEO of Pune-based IT advisory firm Offshore Insights. He said Indian IT services generally would continue to have an edge from the service delivery and cost advantage standpoints.

Sushil Rajpurohit, managing partner in consulting and research firm Knowledgefaber, also believes that India will continue to be majorly a net gainer in jobs. "I know a large US engine company that is planning to set up their first R&D centre outside the US in India. Germany's MTU Aero Engines has set up their only R&D centre outside Germany
in India and the same is true for Italian diesel manufacturer Lombardini," he said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/US-firms-begin-big-job-reshoring-drive/articleshow/19249673.cms







 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Indian economy hit the pits in the last quarter of 2012 and now the outsourced jobs to India are starting to move back to their original countries....sad state of affairs and bad news ahead ....
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
"A Boston Consulting Group report last year estimated that a manufacturing revival in the US could bring in 5 million jobs by 2020. Starbucks, Caterpillar, General Electric, Ford, lock maker Master Lock, and Google have all announced some new manufacturing initiatives in the US in the recent past. "


So according to the Boston Consulting group India and other countries combined should be loosing 5 million direct and 15 million indirect jobs in the coming future...
 

Unicorn

Banned
What does Shining India has to do with it(yapping). The decision is pure economical a company will go where ever the environment makes it worth their while. I wonder why don't these companies see any worth in Pakistan.

There are many Indian companies do business and manufacturing in US and other parts of the world.

 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You should be worried about all those jobs leaving India and how you are going to replace them. With more idle citizens the rape rate is going to go out the roof and women will probably not be able to set a foot outside their room within their homes it seems, let alone outside [hilar][hilar]

Foreigners see a lot of value in Pakistan ...if you are blind due to unhygienic living conditions then we cant be blamed..

[h=1]Pakistan Ranks Among World's Top Outsourcing Destination Countries[/h]


What does Shining India has to do with it(yapping). The decision is pure economical a company will go where ever the environment makes it worth their while. I wonder why don't these companies see any worth in Pakistan.

There are many Indian companies do business and manufacturing in US and other parts of the world.
 

Unicorn

Banned
You should be worried about all those jobs leaving India and how you are going to replace them. With more idle citizens the rape rate is going to go out the roof and women will probably not be able to set a foot outside their room within their homes it seems, let alone outside [hilar][hilar]

Foreigners see a lot of value in Pakistan ...if you are blind due to unhygienic living conditions then we cant be blamed..

Pakistan Ranks Among World's Top Outsourcing Destination Countries



India has a vibrant domestic economy its rise in GDP will continue some investments will leave in some will arrive. You have a pea brain witch is focused on India's economic demise:lol:. you have no idea how economy work or anything else as a matter of fact.
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Chandbibi, good to hear from you :)

These statistics were good upto 2011 however now the tide is turning and their is a tide of reverse reshoring of jobs to the US ....im working on getting my hands on some of those stats....i will post them once i get a hold of them ..

Thanks for sharing these...


 

Unicorn

Banned

Chandbibi the difference between nuts like Modern Fakir is that we will take the outsourcing but we don't boast that its a good thing. We strive to achieve economic independence and look forward to the time when we will be able to outsource some work to unemployed guys like Modern Fakir:lol::lol:
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Joghini ....Have I asked you for your personal opinion ??? - NO

Then please stick to the topic. Also after your done watching and storing sadistic rape vidoes of 2 year olds then maybe you can have a half decent discussion on how you intend to reverse this reshoring effort by US and other countries so that you can influence the Rape rate in India positively. But in the end i know that as usual you are bound to take a verbal hammering as you dont stand on any moral ground ! [hilar][hilar]

Bring the stats and we can debate ...till then ..another poor woman just got Raped in Delhi ...shame on you !:lol:


India has a vibrant domestic economy its rise in GDP will continue some investments will leave in some will arrive. You have a pea brain witch is focused on India's economic demise:lol:. you have no idea how economy work or anything else as a matter of fact.
 

chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
You see they wish to learn. But the problem is to learn you first need to go to school. Sad state of affairs.

India has a vibrant domestic economy its rise in GDP will continue some investments will leave in some will arrive. You have a pea brain witch is focused on India's economic demise:lol:. you have no idea how economy work or anything else as a matter of fact.
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Outsourcing: A Passage Out of India



For years there was pretty much one choice for U.S. companies seeking to move jobs offshore: India. Outsourcing grew to a $69 billion business there and transformed backwaters such as Chennai and Hyderabad into teeming cities. That wave has crested. In 2011 companies in Latin America and eastern Europe opened 54 new outsourcing facilities, vs. 49 for India, according to industry tracker Everest Group.

The two regions are challenging the subcontinent’s dominance in outsourcing as American corporations increasingly ship higher-level jobs offshore. India had substantial advantages in offshoring’s first phase: plenty of English speakers to staff call centers and enough tech talent to run remote data-processing and computer support centers—all at about a 60 percent discount to stateside workers. But having wrung substantial costs out of back-office functions, U.S. companies are exporting skilled white-collar jobs in research, accounting, procurement, and financial analysis.

comp_outsourcing12__01inline__405.jpg

Because these jobs aren’t mass-processing functions, India’s forte, there are greater opportunities for countries such as Argentina and Poland, which have higher labor costs than India. Using an outsourcing firm to hire an entry-level accountant in Argentina, for example, costs 13 percent less than a similar U.S. worker, while an Indian worker would cost 51 percent less. But many employers moving higher-end jobs offshore care about more than just getting the lowest wage. “The higher-value outsourcing jobs require a greater understanding of business context and a higher amount of interaction with clients,” says Phil Fersht, chief executive officer of HfS Research, a Boston outsourcing research firm.

Cities such as So Paulo have large groups of young people with engineering and business school degrees who speak English and are capable of doing everything from developing video games to analyzing mortgage defaults for U.S. companies. Brazil has the most Java programmers in the world and the second-most mainframe (COBOL) programmers, according to Brasscom, a technology trade group in So Paulo. IBM (IBM) located its ninth research center in the city in 2010, the first since 1998, when it opened a center in India.

It helps that the region’s time zones are more in sync with those of North America. That’s why Copal Partners (MCO), which since 2002 has built up its investment-research outsourcing business in Gurgaon, India, added an office in Buenos Aires. It’s only a two-hour time difference for Copal’s clients in New York. “If you’re working with a hedge fund manager where you have to interact with him 10 to 15 times a day, having someone in about the same time zone is important,” says Rishi Khosla, Copal’s CEO.

Even Tata Consultancy Services (TCS)—India’s outsourcing leader, with estimated sales of $9.8 billion in 2011—has 8,500 employees in South America, including Peru and Paraguay. And Genpact (G), the subcontinent’s biggest business-process outsourcer, opened a finance and accounting center in So Paulo last year for U.K. drugmaker AstraZeneca (AZN).

Such “nearshoring” of jobs is also benefiting eastern Europe. The economy of Wroclaw, Poland’s fourth-largest city, revolved around heavy industry during the Communist years. Now it’s an outsourcing center, with 30 local colleges providing a skilled labor pool. Local outsourcing jobs doubled from 2008 to 2010, when centers were opened there by IBM, Microsoft (MSFT), and Ernst & Young. The auditing firm in 2011 added a second center in Wroclaw, where workers provide legal, real estate, and human resources services to European clients. E&Y employs 1,300 people in six Polish centers.

Poland’s Gen Y population is highly educated—about 50 percent of its 20- to 24-year-olds are in college, says Hersht, vs. 10 percent in India—and prolifically multilingual. The 26 languages spoken at Hewlett-Packard’s (HPQ) Wroclaw center make it ideal for serving its European, African, and Middle Eastern operations, says Jacek Levernes, who oversees outsourcing for those regions. The Wroclaw center employs more than twice as many workers as HP expected when it opened in 2005—2,300, vs. 1,000—and they perform higher functions. The Polish workers originally provided basic financial and accounting support; now they handle marketing services and supply-chain analysis as well.

France’s Capgemini (CAP) has staked much of its outsourcing future on nearshoring, including financial and accounting centers in Guatemala City and Krakw, Poland. Bottler Coca-Cola Enterprises (CCE) pulled jobs out of its Tampa, Dallas, and Toronto offices in favor of Capgemini’s Guatemala center, for instance, and out of Paris, Brussels, and London in favor of Krakw.

HfS’s Fersht, who’s visited both, says each could pass for a U.S. office, except for the rich stew of languages—more than two dozen in the Krakw center and conversations in both English and Spanish in Guatemala—and the workers’ nearly uniform youth. The average age is 26, reports Capgemini, which hires from the pool of 30,000 graduates produced annually by Krakw’s colleges. Capgemini has staffed up from 180 business-process outsourcing employees there in 2003 to 2,500 now.

Hansjrg Siber, head of Capgemini’s global business-process outsourcing operations, says the Guatemala center employs college graduates who can analyze the bottler’s vendor agreements and optimize its procurement costs. Such jobs also require interacting with clients, an area in which he says nearshoring beats offshoring. “The Guatemalans speak English with an American accent, which is very well accepted,” he says, “and not an Indian accent, which is not.” Fersht cites another benefit: Capgemini’s clients get the services of Polish and Guatemalan college graduates for the price of U.S. high school grads.

The bottom line: As U.S. corporations try to outsource more-skilled white-collar jobs, they’re looking beyond India. Savings can reach 50 percent.

 

chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
I know what you mean. But i look at each issue in its entirety. I am really not able to understand this obsession for deviant sexual matters of another country?
Chandbibi the difference between nuts like Modern Fakir is that we will take the outsourcing but we don't boast that its a good thing. We strive to achieve economic independence and look forward to the time when we will be able to outsource some work to unemployed guys like Modern Fakir:lol::lol:
 

Unicorn

Banned
Joghini ....Have I asked you for your personal opinion ??? - NO

Then please stick to the topic. Also after your done watching and storing sadistic rape vidoes of 2 year olds then maybe you can have a half decent discussion on how you intend to reverse this reshoring effort by US and other countries so that you can influence the Rape rate in India positively. But in the end i know that as usual you are bound to take a verbal hammering as you dont stand on any moral ground ! [hilar][hilar]

Bring the stats and we can debate ...till then ..another poor woman just got Raped in Delhi ...shame on you !:lol:

I gave no personal opinion only stated facts yes the pea brain part is subjective require examination.
 

chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
They have a right to look outside India if they want to. And India is not sitting on its laurels waiting for the US to outsource its work. Where there is value added, work flows to that place. Philippines is a good example. Pakistan can become a good outsourcing destination too, provided you can provide safety. India has had certain advantages, but we live in a dynamic world. When the entire economic tilt is towards Asia, would we in the coming times be looking for outsourcing as a big chunk of our economy? Time will tell.


Outsourcing: A Passage Out of India



For years there was pretty much one choice for U.S. companies seeking to move jobs offshore: India. Outsourcing grew to a $69 billion business there and transformed backwaters such as Chennai and Hyderabad into teeming cities. That wave has crested. In 2011 companies in Latin America and eastern Europe opened 54 new outsourcing facilities, vs. 49 for India, according to industry tracker Everest Group.

The two regions are challenging the subcontinent’s dominance in outsourcing as American corporations increasingly ship higher-level jobs offshore. India had substantial advantages in offshoring’s first phase: plenty of English speakers to staff call centers and enough tech talent to run remote data-processing and computer support centers—all at about a 60 percent discount to stateside workers. But having wrung substantial costs out of back-office functions, U.S. companies are exporting skilled white-collar jobs in research, accounting, procurement, and financial analysis.

comp_outsourcing12__01inline__405.jpg

Because these jobs aren’t mass-processing functions, India’s forte, there are greater opportunities for countries such as Argentina and Poland, which have higher labor costs than India. Using an outsourcing firm to hire an entry-level accountant in Argentina, for example, costs 13 percent less than a similar U.S. worker, while an Indian worker would cost 51 percent less. But many employers moving higher-end jobs offshore care about more than just getting the lowest wage. “The higher-value outsourcing jobs require a greater understanding of business context and a higher amount of interaction with clients,” says Phil Fersht, chief executive officer of HfS Research, a Boston outsourcing research firm.

Cities such as So Paulo have large groups of young people with engineering and business school degrees who speak English and are capable of doing everything from developing video games to analyzing mortgage defaults for U.S. companies. Brazil has the most Java programmers in the world and the second-most mainframe (COBOL) programmers, according to Brasscom, a technology trade group in So Paulo. IBM (IBM) located its ninth research center in the city in 2010, the first since 1998, when it opened a center in India.

It helps that the region’s time zones are more in sync with those of North America. That’s why Copal Partners (MCO), which since 2002 has built up its investment-research outsourcing business in Gurgaon, India, added an office in Buenos Aires. It’s only a two-hour time difference for Copal’s clients in New York. “If you’re working with a hedge fund manager where you have to interact with him 10 to 15 times a day, having someone in about the same time zone is important,” says Rishi Khosla, Copal’s CEO.

Even Tata Consultancy Services (TCS)—India’s outsourcing leader, with estimated sales of $9.8 billion in 2011—has 8,500 employees in South America, including Peru and Paraguay. And Genpact (G), the subcontinent’s biggest business-process outsourcer, opened a finance and accounting center in So Paulo last year for U.K. drugmaker AstraZeneca (AZN).

Such “nearshoring” of jobs is also benefiting eastern Europe. The economy of Wroclaw, Poland’s fourth-largest city, revolved around heavy industry during the Communist years. Now it’s an outsourcing center, with 30 local colleges providing a skilled labor pool. Local outsourcing jobs doubled from 2008 to 2010, when centers were opened there by IBM, Microsoft (MSFT), and Ernst & Young. The auditing firm in 2011 added a second center in Wroclaw, where workers provide legal, real estate, and human resources services to European clients. E&Y employs 1,300 people in six Polish centers.

Poland’s Gen Y population is highly educated—about 50 percent of its 20- to 24-year-olds are in college, says Hersht, vs. 10 percent in India—and prolifically multilingual. The 26 languages spoken at Hewlett-Packard’s (HPQ) Wroclaw center make it ideal for serving its European, African, and Middle Eastern operations, says Jacek Levernes, who oversees outsourcing for those regions. The Wroclaw center employs more than twice as many workers as HP expected when it opened in 2005—2,300, vs. 1,000—and they perform higher functions. The Polish workers originally provided basic financial and accounting support; now they handle marketing services and supply-chain analysis as well.

France’s Capgemini (CAP) has staked much of its outsourcing future on nearshoring, including financial and accounting centers in Guatemala City and Krakw, Poland. Bottler Coca-Cola Enterprises (CCE) pulled jobs out of its Tampa, Dallas, and Toronto offices in favor of Capgemini’s Guatemala center, for instance, and out of Paris, Brussels, and London in favor of Krakw.

HfS’s Fersht, who’s visited both, says each could pass for a U.S. office, except for the rich stew of languages—more than two dozen in the Krakw center and conversations in both English and Spanish in Guatemala—and the workers’ nearly uniform youth. The average age is 26, reports Capgemini, which hires from the pool of 30,000 graduates produced annually by Krakw’s colleges. Capgemini has staffed up from 180 business-process outsourcing employees there in 2003 to 2,500 now.

Hansjrg Siber, head of Capgemini’s global business-process outsourcing operations, says the Guatemala center employs college graduates who can analyze the bottler’s vendor agreements and optimize its procurement costs. Such jobs also require interacting with clients, an area in which he says nearshoring beats offshoring. “The Guatemalans speak English with an American accent, which is very well accepted,” he says, “and not an Indian accent, which is not.” Fersht cites another benefit: Capgemini’s clients get the services of Polish and Guatemalan college graduates for the price of U.S. high school grads.

The bottom line: As U.S. corporations try to outsource more-skilled white-collar jobs, they’re looking beyond India. Savings can reach 50 percent.

 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I know today hasnt been the best of days reading up on all these depressing news articles coming out of India..

- Jobs are moving out

- Rape rate is rising

- Your addicted to sadistic rape videos

Dont get frustrated ...things will improve ...it just takes time [hilar][hilar]

I gave no personal opinion only stated facts yes the pea brain part is subjective require examination.
 

Unicorn

Banned
I know today hasnt been the best of days reading up on all these depressing news articles coming out of India..

- Jobs are moving out

- Rape rate is rising

- Your addicted to sadistic rape videos

Dont get frustrated ...things will improve ...it just takes time [hilar][hilar]

There has not been a single depressing news. Female infanticide and rapes are very old news. The only good news is that Indians are outraged and more women are reporting rapes rather than to suffer in silence like in Pakistan:biggthumpup::biggthumpup:
 

Joker

Minister (2k+ posts)
You see they wish to learn. But the problem is to learn you first need to go to school. Sad state of affairs.

Aray Chandabibi don't be so fast stop here. India is far behind in education as well . Lets have a look on statistics.

India

Current population of India is 1,270,272,105 and total number of universities in India is 568 that means one university for 2.2 million people in India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_India

http://www.indiaonlinepages.com/population/india-current-population.html



Pakistan

Current population of Pakistan is 181641601 and total number of universities in Pakistan is 127. So one university for 1.4 million people in Pakistan.

http://countrymeters.info/en/Pakistan/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_Pakistan


Pakistan is much much ahead in Education from India
:P

So the problem is first you have to prioritize your option between toilet and education . Sad state of toilet affairs [hilar]




 
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modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
So if its old news then some new action needs to be taken on it.

We Pakistanis stand with all the victims in India and we will continue to fight for their cause.

To you its old news, BUT to us every news is New and we will take is as as attack on HUmanity ..not just old news (bigsmile)

There has not been a single depressing news. Female infanticide and rapes are very old news. The only good news is that Indians are outraged and more women are reporting rapes rather than to suffer in silence like in Pakistan:biggthumpup::biggthumpup:
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Thats right joker....I think all Indians want to learn ...BUT only if they had enough universities to go to School [hilar][hilar][hilar]

@Chandbibi @Unicorn


Aray Chandabibi don't be so fast stop here. India is far behind in education as well . Lets have a look on statistics.

India

Current population of India is 1,270,272,105 and total number of universities in India is 568 that means one university for 2.2 million people in India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_India

http://www.indiaonlinepages.com/population/india-current-population.html



Pakistan

Current population of Pakistan is 181641601 and total number of universities in Pakistan is 127. So one university for 1.4 million people in Pakistan.

http://countrymeters.info/en/Pakistan/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_Pakistan


Pakistan is much much ahead in Education from India
:P




 

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