Tonight With Najam Sethi - 3rd Nov 2010 - Murder of History: What is Reality, What is False???
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Unfortunately Pakistan is the only country in the world whoes very existence is dependent on its own security. Immediately after its birth it went into war. During very first war in 1947, Pakistan had to tackle an aggression or die for ever. Pakistan chose to live. But Indians went to United Nations with a request for Ceasefire. UN passed its famous resolution declaring ceasefire between the two. This resolution also states a promise of plebiscite among people of Kashmir to resolve this issue.
Pakistan's stance is very clear and just. According to Pakistan Kashmiri movement is an indigenous movement. Muharaja of Kashmir had no right to call in Indian Army. Istead he should ask his own people first. Finally, the agreement was that any areas more than 70% Muslim would go to Pakistan. Kashmir has more than 90% Muslims and therefore clearly should have been part of Pakistan. Currently every one of polls has had a similar result. Some want an independent Kashmir. Some want to join Pakistan. Almost none at all want to stay in India. No one in Pakistani Kashmir wants to join with India and most of people in Indian occupied Kshmir want to join with Pakistan. It is not the question of economics alone, Kashmiri people feel closer to Pakistan culturally and religiously.
The India-Pakistan rivalry remains one of the most enduring and unresolved conflicts of our times. It began with the birth of the two states in 1947, and it has continued ever since, with the periodic resumption of wars and crises. The conflict has affected every dimension of interstate and societal relations between the two countries and, despite occasional peace initiatives, shows no signs of abating. Now both are involved in proxy war with each other in Afghanistan. Pakistan supports Afghan Talibans and India supports Northern Alliance. Heart of this conflict is Kashmir. Lack of initiative to resolve Kashmir issue is the main cause of failure of Obama’s AFPAK policy. US has to re-think about this region and include India in the jigsaw forming an AFPInd. This will make all sense in creating peace in this region.
Pakistan's stance is very clear and just. According to Pakistan Kashmiri movement is an indigenous movement. Muharaja of Kashmir had no right to call in Indian Army. Istead he should ask his own people first. Finally, the agreement was that any areas more than 70% Muslim would go to Pakistan. Kashmir has more than 90% Muslims and therefore clearly should have been part of Pakistan. Currently every one of polls has had a similar result. Some want an independent Kashmir. Some want to join Pakistan. Almost none at all want to stay in India. No one in Pakistani Kashmir wants to join with India and most of people in Indian occupied Kshmir want to join with Pakistan. It is not the question of economics alone, Kashmiri people feel closer to Pakistan culturally and religiously.
The India-Pakistan rivalry remains one of the most enduring and unresolved conflicts of our times. It began with the birth of the two states in 1947, and it has continued ever since, with the periodic resumption of wars and crises. The conflict has affected every dimension of interstate and societal relations between the two countries and, despite occasional peace initiatives, shows no signs of abating. Now both are involved in proxy war with each other in Afghanistan. Pakistan supports Afghan Talibans and India supports Northern Alliance. Heart of this conflict is Kashmir. Lack of initiative to resolve Kashmir issue is the main cause of failure of Obama’s AFPAK policy. US has to re-think about this region and include India in the jigsaw forming an AFPInd. This will make all sense in creating peace in this region.
sayeenwada
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Mr. Sethi needs to check the facts on 1965 war....
hammadmustafa
Citizen
what rubbish .........this person is corrupt
hammadmustafa
Citizen
Indian and US agenda in action.
Ship him to Modi's Gujarat
Ship him to Modi's Gujarat
My friend Shogi your's is a very generic statement with no souls to it, Pakistan's creations was matter of heart and soul, hearts said that Muslims in subcontinent need their own homeland as experience with Hindus during the period of English rule showed the true color of Hindus. Even the very secular Muslims like Mohammed Ali Jinnah joined Muslims league due to the racist, rude and uncompromising attitude of Hindus.
Experience in Lucknow and in Bengal about their promises to allow Muslim rule were broken and all promises were reversed with shameless tactics. Indian behavior from day one of the Independence was that of a adversary and not of a good neighbor. cases of Juna Garh, Hyderabad and many more was that of aggressor and not of a Democratic entity willing to cooperate and willing to honor U.n. resolutions.
The most horrible India did as to buy Mujib ur Raham and train Mukti buhini for several years prior to 1970 war to interfere in internal Pakistani affairs. They even divided Muslims on the bases of Ethnicity when Bengali's fought against Biharis, what a shameful act.
We were and we try not to use ethnic card to get elected, but Indian leaders do it all the time, what a shameful behavior.My friend we are being inundated with directions from all over the world because we cannot put our point across and tell the truth, what a shame. leis are succeeding and truth is pushed aside. Nobody`s fault, but our own.
to alleviate this miserable situation we must put those who are not only smart but courageous in the position of power, who know how to protect, negotiate and to save guard our honor.
And there are plenty of those. If u know what I mean.
so my friend let us all try to follow the foot prints our greats. May allah S.W.T. give us wisdom and courage to walk the right path. Ameen.
jab sach hazam nahin hota tab yehi kehna ke layak insan reh jata hai
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shagi
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My dear friend ASQRI, thank you for your coments. But how can I forget my history. Shall I cease to remember my forefathers who have given lives. It would be betrayl to their blood and bones. How can I digest false Indian lies. The Indians claim that the Instrument of Accession was signed by Mahrajah Hari Singh on 26th October 1947, in which the Mahrajah agreed to accede to India in return for military assistance to put down the popular rebellion against him, seen at that time as an invasion by tribesmen from neighbouring Pakistan. The details of the accession were worked out between the Kashmiri Prime Minister, MC Mahajan and the Indian official, VP Menon, in Dehli. However, there are serious doubts about the signing of the document. Alastair Lamb (in his book, Kashmir - A disputed legacy 1846-1990) points out that the Instrument of Accession could not have been signed by the Mahrajah on 26th October as he was travelling by road to Jammu (a distance of over 350 Km). There is no evidence to suggest that a meeting or communication of any kind took place on 26th October 1947. In fact it was on 27th October 1947 that the Mahrajah was informed by his MC Mahajan and VP Menon (who had flown into Srinagar), the the Instrument of Accession had already been negotiated in Dehli. The Mahrajah did not in fact sign the Instrument of Accession, if at all, until 27th October 1947. This sheds doubts on the actions of the Indian regime. Some Indian troops had already arrived and secured Srinagar airfield during the middle of October 1947. On 26th October 1947, a further massive airlift brought thousands of Indian troops to Kashmir - BEFORE the signing of the Accession. Therefore, this situation begs the question: would the Mahrajah have signed the Instrument of Accession had the Indian troops not been on Kashmiri soil?
sayeenwada
Councller (250+ posts)
what utter nonsense...with people like Mr. sethi around who needs enemies......It is a fact that Pakistan tore into India as they ran with their tails between their legs and wanted a cease fire...
I only came to know of Maj-General Akhtar Malik when my father told me that a Pakistani Maj-general was about to cut off the logistical supply route of the Indian army and achieve victory but was replaced with drunken ******* Yahya Khan. Yahya allowed the Indian to regroup and they went on to attack Lahore, what a travesty to let such a thing happen.
I only got to know of his name on this forum and learnt that he was creating havoc in Akhnoor by traveling in a helicopter and the Indian army was in disarray but Ayub Khan replaced him with his favorite and the war changed shape. Here are a couple of article's about the incident.
Operation Grand Slam -DAWN Magazine; November 27, 2005
Quote:
MODERN day war complicates rather than solves anything. A country goes to war either to defend its sovereignty in case of attack, or to overwhelm an adversary for political or territorial/material gains.
The War in 1965 was undertaken by General Ayub not for the first reason. Similarly, Hitler started WWII in 1940, Suharto annexed Eastern Timor in 1975, Gen Galteiri occupied Falkland Islands in 1982, and Saddam invaded Kuwait in 1990 -- all for personal glory and political gains. Bush invaded Iraq on March 19, 2003, for the black gold.
In 1965, the plan Operation Gibraltar' involved sneaking a mixed force of 70,000, trained and regulars, into Indian-held Kashmir and invoke a general uprising in the local populace. The general feeling in the army high command was that Indians had no stomach of warfare and were no match for the superior. The war plan originated in the Foreign Office. The D-day was set for August 5, 1965.
Military high command took it to be as one blow, limited and confined operation, forgetting that war is not an isolated act and once started, it cannot be confined by time or space. Secondly, against defined and proclaimed logic, the military in Pakistan had taken over the political direction of the war.
Our scope is limited to the operation conducted on the Kashmir front under Maj-General Akhtar Malik where, given the opportunity and time, Pakistan could have dictated terms to India on other fronts (unexpectedly') opened later by India. But it was not to be. Much has been written about the change in command in the 1965 War, when late Maj-General Akhtar Hussain Malik, Commander 12 Division which had the responsibility for Jammu and Kashmir, was replaced by Maj. Gen. Yahya Khan, Commander 7 Div, and Akhnur was let off the hook, thereby saving the Indian forces a huge embarrassment.
Discussing the initial plans of Operation Gibraltar', Ayub had put his finger at Akhnur across river Tawi, on the sand model asked: But why dont you go for the jugular? General Malik asked for more money and men and Ayub readily agreed. (Altaf Gauhar, Ayub Khan Pakistans First Military Rulers Sange-meel Publications 1998 p.332)
The attack on Akhnur was given the code name Operation Grand Slam, to be launched after the Operation Gibraltar'. Gen Akhtar Malik was assigned this task as he knew the area like the back of his hand, and he was a bold and audacious commander.
Gen. Malik had already captured Chamb on September 1, and was well poised to go for Akhnur on September 2, 1965 when he was relieved of command in a most bizarre mysterious manner, defying common sense and logic. Before Musa flew Malik back from the front, General Malik had offered his services to fight under Yahyas command to take Akhnur.
General Musa, the C-n-C, flew with Gen Yahya on the front on September 2, 1965 to replace General Malik who would not hand over charge otherwise. Yahya was specifically asked by Musa not to advance. A pause of 48 hours was enough for Indian forces to regroup and blunt the Pakistani advance. The Indians also opened another front on Lahore, thus spreading Pakistan Forces thin along the western border. Having lost the initiative, now Pakistan was fighting for its survival. One can lose a battle or even a war, but in Kashmir at that time, it was a victory lost.
The prevailing view in GHQ was that Gen. Ayub had lost his nerve. (Altaf Gauhar p. 334) Shortly before his death, Bhutto had expressed similar views about Ayub, saying he used to panic during crises. (Col. Rafiuddin Bhutto kay akhri 323 din, Jang Publications 1992 p.61) Bhutto observed that Pakistan Army had yet to produce another fighting general of Akhtar Maliks calibre and had Malik been allowed to advance in Chhamb-Jurian Sector, he would have played havoc with the Indian Forces. (Col Rafiuddin p.66)
After the 1965 War, the talk on change of command in Kashmir became taboo but with death of Gen Musa, the subject was discussed threadbare. The ISPR floated the idea that the change of command in 1965 was pre-planned. Brig. Gul Hassan (late Lt. Gen. and Army Chief), at that time, Director Military Operations, in his memoirs, denied the existence of any such planned change of command during the execution of Operation Grand Slam.
Secondly, Brig. Gul Hassan said he knew Gen. Malik well enough to say that he (Gen. Malik) would never have accepted a command for 24 hours for such a daunting assignment. What happened behind the scenes may never be known. (Lt. Gen Gul Hassan Akhri Commander-in-Chief, Dost Publications Isd. 1999 p.231-234)
Gen. Ayub published his biography Friends Not Master in 1967 but he failed to cover the 1965 War, as it was not a glorious chapter of his life. He tried to gloss over history.
As soon as Yahya took over from Musa as C-n-C in September 1966, he posted out Gen Malik on a CENTO assignment in Turkey. General Akhtar Malik died in 1969 in a car crash in Turkey. It could have been a target-assassination. General Malik had met the Jordanian Ambassador a few days earlier in Ankara. The Ambassador had asked General Malik to help upgrade the Jordanian Army, a job that was accepted by the latter.
It could be Mossad for Israel didnt want Jordan to acquire the services of a professional general (according to an ex-Army Officer who asked not to be revealed). Israel has been deeply involved in anything that affects its security, especially its neighbours. In 1980, Mossad had eliminated an Egyptian nuclear physicist, Dr Yahia El Meshad, in Paris who had been helping Iraq in setting up its nuclear plant. (Claire Hoy & Victor Ostrovsky By Way of Deception Stoddart Publishing Co.Ltd. Toronto 1990 p.23)
According to officers who fought on Kashmir front, had General Malik been allowed to capture Akhnur, Ayub would not have ignored him for the post of C-n-C. The country as a consequence, would not have undergone the ensuring colossal tragedy of 1971. But that is a wishful afterthought.
Ayub, who had appointed Musa as his first Army Chief and Yahya as the next (the appointment of first almost cost us West Pakistan in 1965 and under the next one we lost East Pakistan in 1971), would not have liked a general of Akhtar Maliks stature to command the Pakistan Army. Tragic but true!
Quote:
Major General Akhtar Hussain Malik made a brilliant strike across Chamb-Jaurian sector. He out- manoeuvred the Indians. He captured Akhnoor and was approaching Tawai river. The enemy was dislodged and Indians were planning further withdrawal for they could not withstand the onslaught of General Akhtar Hussain Malik.
It was reported that the Indian Prime Minister Lal Bahdur Shastri directed Indian Air Force to get Gen Akhtar Hussain Mailk at any cost. He was making daring use of Helicopter directing his force.
Even an inveterate enemy of Ahmadis (Malik was an Ahmadi) - Shorish Kashmiri paid a tribute in an urdu couplet,
"The Land of Delhi is calling, Oh friends, Extend a helping hand to Akhtar Malik, oh friends."
Had Gen Akhtar Hussain Malik captured Jammu, The Kashmir Problem was automatically solved. The Indians would never been able to sustain their troops in landlocked Kashmir. And they would have to leave Kashmir.
Field Marshal Ayub, who was the President of Pakistan at that time, knew what this victory would mean: It would catapult Gen Akhtar Hussain Malik in public eye.
He wanted one of his cronies to take credit of this vital victory. He asked Gen Musa, the then Commander in Chief of Pakistan Army to take Gen Yahya by helicopter to Chamb-Jurian sector and ask Gen Akhtar Hussain Malik to hand over the command of the Operations.
Gen Malik: "Why changing horses in midstream"?
These are the orders of the boss. Gen Akhtar Hussain Malik handed over the command in utter disgust.
Gen Sarfraz Khan who commanded Lahore sector in 1965 in an article in Daily Jang Lahore September 6, 1984 said about this military victory snatched out of the hands of Gen Malik.
With what brilliant planning and bravery, Gen Akhtar Malik attacked Chamb, it can only be called a great victory. He was in position to capture Jurian as the enemy had been dislodged and they were to withdraw as further Pakistani advance was anticipated.
But it was not allowed to happen, a plan was already made to make Gen Yahya take credit of this victory.
The Indian Commander in Chef, General Chaudri, who was watching with dismay the crumbling defences of the Indian army in Chamb -Juraian sector, jumped upon the opportunity and launched an attack on Lahore.
The whole game was over. Pakistan was now involved in its own battle of life and death.
He would have gone on to be the man in charge and gone on to make us so damn proud but what a debacle this was.
I only came to know of Maj-General Akhtar Malik when my father told me that a Pakistani Maj-general was about to cut off the logistical supply route of the Indian army and achieve victory but was replaced with drunken ******* Yahya Khan. Yahya allowed the Indian to regroup and they went on to attack Lahore, what a travesty to let such a thing happen.
I only got to know of his name on this forum and learnt that he was creating havoc in Akhnoor by traveling in a helicopter and the Indian army was in disarray but Ayub Khan replaced him with his favorite and the war changed shape. Here are a couple of article's about the incident.
Operation Grand Slam -DAWN Magazine; November 27, 2005
Quote:
MODERN day war complicates rather than solves anything. A country goes to war either to defend its sovereignty in case of attack, or to overwhelm an adversary for political or territorial/material gains.
The War in 1965 was undertaken by General Ayub not for the first reason. Similarly, Hitler started WWII in 1940, Suharto annexed Eastern Timor in 1975, Gen Galteiri occupied Falkland Islands in 1982, and Saddam invaded Kuwait in 1990 -- all for personal glory and political gains. Bush invaded Iraq on March 19, 2003, for the black gold.
In 1965, the plan Operation Gibraltar' involved sneaking a mixed force of 70,000, trained and regulars, into Indian-held Kashmir and invoke a general uprising in the local populace. The general feeling in the army high command was that Indians had no stomach of warfare and were no match for the superior. The war plan originated in the Foreign Office. The D-day was set for August 5, 1965.
Military high command took it to be as one blow, limited and confined operation, forgetting that war is not an isolated act and once started, it cannot be confined by time or space. Secondly, against defined and proclaimed logic, the military in Pakistan had taken over the political direction of the war.
Our scope is limited to the operation conducted on the Kashmir front under Maj-General Akhtar Malik where, given the opportunity and time, Pakistan could have dictated terms to India on other fronts (unexpectedly') opened later by India. But it was not to be. Much has been written about the change in command in the 1965 War, when late Maj-General Akhtar Hussain Malik, Commander 12 Division which had the responsibility for Jammu and Kashmir, was replaced by Maj. Gen. Yahya Khan, Commander 7 Div, and Akhnur was let off the hook, thereby saving the Indian forces a huge embarrassment.
Discussing the initial plans of Operation Gibraltar', Ayub had put his finger at Akhnur across river Tawi, on the sand model asked: But why dont you go for the jugular? General Malik asked for more money and men and Ayub readily agreed. (Altaf Gauhar, Ayub Khan Pakistans First Military Rulers Sange-meel Publications 1998 p.332)
The attack on Akhnur was given the code name Operation Grand Slam, to be launched after the Operation Gibraltar'. Gen Akhtar Malik was assigned this task as he knew the area like the back of his hand, and he was a bold and audacious commander.
Gen. Malik had already captured Chamb on September 1, and was well poised to go for Akhnur on September 2, 1965 when he was relieved of command in a most bizarre mysterious manner, defying common sense and logic. Before Musa flew Malik back from the front, General Malik had offered his services to fight under Yahyas command to take Akhnur.
General Musa, the C-n-C, flew with Gen Yahya on the front on September 2, 1965 to replace General Malik who would not hand over charge otherwise. Yahya was specifically asked by Musa not to advance. A pause of 48 hours was enough for Indian forces to regroup and blunt the Pakistani advance. The Indians also opened another front on Lahore, thus spreading Pakistan Forces thin along the western border. Having lost the initiative, now Pakistan was fighting for its survival. One can lose a battle or even a war, but in Kashmir at that time, it was a victory lost.
The prevailing view in GHQ was that Gen. Ayub had lost his nerve. (Altaf Gauhar p. 334) Shortly before his death, Bhutto had expressed similar views about Ayub, saying he used to panic during crises. (Col. Rafiuddin Bhutto kay akhri 323 din, Jang Publications 1992 p.61) Bhutto observed that Pakistan Army had yet to produce another fighting general of Akhtar Maliks calibre and had Malik been allowed to advance in Chhamb-Jurian Sector, he would have played havoc with the Indian Forces. (Col Rafiuddin p.66)
After the 1965 War, the talk on change of command in Kashmir became taboo but with death of Gen Musa, the subject was discussed threadbare. The ISPR floated the idea that the change of command in 1965 was pre-planned. Brig. Gul Hassan (late Lt. Gen. and Army Chief), at that time, Director Military Operations, in his memoirs, denied the existence of any such planned change of command during the execution of Operation Grand Slam.
Secondly, Brig. Gul Hassan said he knew Gen. Malik well enough to say that he (Gen. Malik) would never have accepted a command for 24 hours for such a daunting assignment. What happened behind the scenes may never be known. (Lt. Gen Gul Hassan Akhri Commander-in-Chief, Dost Publications Isd. 1999 p.231-234)
Gen. Ayub published his biography Friends Not Master in 1967 but he failed to cover the 1965 War, as it was not a glorious chapter of his life. He tried to gloss over history.
As soon as Yahya took over from Musa as C-n-C in September 1966, he posted out Gen Malik on a CENTO assignment in Turkey. General Akhtar Malik died in 1969 in a car crash in Turkey. It could have been a target-assassination. General Malik had met the Jordanian Ambassador a few days earlier in Ankara. The Ambassador had asked General Malik to help upgrade the Jordanian Army, a job that was accepted by the latter.
It could be Mossad for Israel didnt want Jordan to acquire the services of a professional general (according to an ex-Army Officer who asked not to be revealed). Israel has been deeply involved in anything that affects its security, especially its neighbours. In 1980, Mossad had eliminated an Egyptian nuclear physicist, Dr Yahia El Meshad, in Paris who had been helping Iraq in setting up its nuclear plant. (Claire Hoy & Victor Ostrovsky By Way of Deception Stoddart Publishing Co.Ltd. Toronto 1990 p.23)
According to officers who fought on Kashmir front, had General Malik been allowed to capture Akhnur, Ayub would not have ignored him for the post of C-n-C. The country as a consequence, would not have undergone the ensuring colossal tragedy of 1971. But that is a wishful afterthought.
Ayub, who had appointed Musa as his first Army Chief and Yahya as the next (the appointment of first almost cost us West Pakistan in 1965 and under the next one we lost East Pakistan in 1971), would not have liked a general of Akhtar Maliks stature to command the Pakistan Army. Tragic but true!
Quote:
Major General Akhtar Hussain Malik made a brilliant strike across Chamb-Jaurian sector. He out- manoeuvred the Indians. He captured Akhnoor and was approaching Tawai river. The enemy was dislodged and Indians were planning further withdrawal for they could not withstand the onslaught of General Akhtar Hussain Malik.
It was reported that the Indian Prime Minister Lal Bahdur Shastri directed Indian Air Force to get Gen Akhtar Hussain Mailk at any cost. He was making daring use of Helicopter directing his force.
Even an inveterate enemy of Ahmadis (Malik was an Ahmadi) - Shorish Kashmiri paid a tribute in an urdu couplet,
"The Land of Delhi is calling, Oh friends, Extend a helping hand to Akhtar Malik, oh friends."
Had Gen Akhtar Hussain Malik captured Jammu, The Kashmir Problem was automatically solved. The Indians would never been able to sustain their troops in landlocked Kashmir. And they would have to leave Kashmir.
Field Marshal Ayub, who was the President of Pakistan at that time, knew what this victory would mean: It would catapult Gen Akhtar Hussain Malik in public eye.
He wanted one of his cronies to take credit of this vital victory. He asked Gen Musa, the then Commander in Chief of Pakistan Army to take Gen Yahya by helicopter to Chamb-Jurian sector and ask Gen Akhtar Hussain Malik to hand over the command of the Operations.
Gen Malik: "Why changing horses in midstream"?
These are the orders of the boss. Gen Akhtar Hussain Malik handed over the command in utter disgust.
Gen Sarfraz Khan who commanded Lahore sector in 1965 in an article in Daily Jang Lahore September 6, 1984 said about this military victory snatched out of the hands of Gen Malik.
With what brilliant planning and bravery, Gen Akhtar Malik attacked Chamb, it can only be called a great victory. He was in position to capture Jurian as the enemy had been dislodged and they were to withdraw as further Pakistani advance was anticipated.
But it was not allowed to happen, a plan was already made to make Gen Yahya take credit of this victory.
The Indian Commander in Chef, General Chaudri, who was watching with dismay the crumbling defences of the Indian army in Chamb -Juraian sector, jumped upon the opportunity and launched an attack on Lahore.
The whole game was over. Pakistan was now involved in its own battle of life and death.
He would have gone on to be the man in charge and gone on to make us so damn proud but what a debacle this was.
sayeenwada
Councller (250+ posts)
Here came the another hero of Pakistan army General Abdul Ali Malik.
Indian Commander in Chief General Chaudri made a bet with foreign Journalists and invited them to have cocktails with him in Lahore Gymkhana on September 8, made another brilliant move, he attacked Sialkot with hundreds of tanks.
India's plan was to make a direct thrust towards Wazirabad to capture commonly known GT Road and divide West Pakistan into two.
GOC Sialkot lost his nerves and ordered withdrawal to Sambrial. However, he had an Ahmadi Brigadier, General Abdul Ali. He told the GOC he would meet enemy right here at Chawinda and would not yield an inch of Pakistan soil. This Ahmadi had faith in Allah and the courage of his soldiers.
It was the most crucial battle of the whole war, where Indian tanks battled with Pakistan tanks. General Abdul Ali gave no quarter to the enemy, the tenacity and the bravery and superior skill in deployment of his tanks triumphed. Indian tanks fell back.
According to some reports, two thousands tanks on either side took part in it.
Battle of Chawinda is considered as the greatest tank battle after the battle of El Alameen fought by Field Marshal Montgomery with Field Marshal Rommel (the top German General).
This battle captured such a wide attention in Pakistan that Majlis Ulema Islam in book "Maa'rika Haq-o-ba'til" (the Battle of truth and falsehood), it carried an urdu couplet:
When Abdul Ali was commanding the Ghazis, it appeared as if Abdul Ali was raging like a storm.
This is how two Ahmadi brothers - General Akhtar Hussain Malik and General Abdul Ali gave their best to the defense of Pakistan.
There are others, like Brigadier Iftikhar Janjua who distinguished in Rann of Katch, and General Iftikhar Janjua who distinguished in the Battle of Hilli in East Pakistan and scores of others Ahmadi Colonels and majors.
This bravery and selfless desire to defend the motherland was not confined to Army alone.
In a book, Air battle of Pakistan commissioned by then Air Marshal Nur Khan, there are references to Ahmadi Pilots. According to Air commodore (later Air Marshal) Abdur Rahim a dangerous Air mission was planned and volunteers were asked and it was clear that it is possible none of the pilots would be able to come back, among dozens of officers only five pilots volunteered and all of them were Ahmadis and all of them returned safely after the mission was accomplished.
This may sound astounding but events indicate that in every operation whether planning or combat in which there was a semblance of success, there was or were Ahmadis involved. Ahmadis performed their duties in a manner which make them feel humble and grateful to Allah for having afforded them this opportunity to serve Islam and Pakistan.
Indian Commander in Chief General Chaudri made a bet with foreign Journalists and invited them to have cocktails with him in Lahore Gymkhana on September 8, made another brilliant move, he attacked Sialkot with hundreds of tanks.
India's plan was to make a direct thrust towards Wazirabad to capture commonly known GT Road and divide West Pakistan into two.
GOC Sialkot lost his nerves and ordered withdrawal to Sambrial. However, he had an Ahmadi Brigadier, General Abdul Ali. He told the GOC he would meet enemy right here at Chawinda and would not yield an inch of Pakistan soil. This Ahmadi had faith in Allah and the courage of his soldiers.
It was the most crucial battle of the whole war, where Indian tanks battled with Pakistan tanks. General Abdul Ali gave no quarter to the enemy, the tenacity and the bravery and superior skill in deployment of his tanks triumphed. Indian tanks fell back.
According to some reports, two thousands tanks on either side took part in it.
Battle of Chawinda is considered as the greatest tank battle after the battle of El Alameen fought by Field Marshal Montgomery with Field Marshal Rommel (the top German General).
This battle captured such a wide attention in Pakistan that Majlis Ulema Islam in book "Maa'rika Haq-o-ba'til" (the Battle of truth and falsehood), it carried an urdu couplet:
When Abdul Ali was commanding the Ghazis, it appeared as if Abdul Ali was raging like a storm.
This is how two Ahmadi brothers - General Akhtar Hussain Malik and General Abdul Ali gave their best to the defense of Pakistan.
There are others, like Brigadier Iftikhar Janjua who distinguished in Rann of Katch, and General Iftikhar Janjua who distinguished in the Battle of Hilli in East Pakistan and scores of others Ahmadi Colonels and majors.
This bravery and selfless desire to defend the motherland was not confined to Army alone.
In a book, Air battle of Pakistan commissioned by then Air Marshal Nur Khan, there are references to Ahmadi Pilots. According to Air commodore (later Air Marshal) Abdur Rahim a dangerous Air mission was planned and volunteers were asked and it was clear that it is possible none of the pilots would be able to come back, among dozens of officers only five pilots volunteered and all of them were Ahmadis and all of them returned safely after the mission was accomplished.
This may sound astounding but events indicate that in every operation whether planning or combat in which there was a semblance of success, there was or were Ahmadis involved. Ahmadis performed their duties in a manner which make them feel humble and grateful to Allah for having afforded them this opportunity to serve Islam and Pakistan.
mrbaig
Senator (1k+ posts)
Sethi is quite correct.So-called Field Marshal Ayub Khan left the Lahore borders open for enemy.As he was fake Field Marshal so did not understand the anticipated move from india..Sethi is quite correct that Inddia did not beg for cease fire,it was Pakistan who begged for mercy.Fake field Marshal wept with tears before American diplomets.I was a college student at that time and know the fcts.They teach wrong and fabricated history.
Najam Sethi is 1000 times correct.
animecrazy
Voter (50+ posts)
I AGREE with your point.....(clap)
I am with you on that one, my friend.
