Don't forget to count us the Karachiites as well :)
To The Point - 4th May 2012 - Imran Khan
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Don't forget to count us the Karachiites as well :)
ConcernedPaki
Minister (2k+ posts)
Surely not my friend! Believe me that I woke up all night to watch Karachi jalsa (was in California at the time) and was really thrilled by the amazing support. I spent the summer of 2005 in Karachi and had great fun in those 3 months. How dearly I wish for those festivities to return to Karachi!
It was really quite a spontaneous outpouring of support at the Karachi Jalsa, being a witness myself. Really politicized a class which had been quite alienated with politics for long. Many of my friends whom I never would have expected would have anything to do with politics were present there. In short, it created quite a festive environment that day for Karachiites.
One video sums up what happened.
Star Gazer
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Case against Gilani is of criminal nature NOT of a civil nature, not a bill passed by the parliament.
PTI did the right thing by keeping their word for the boycott of the 2008 election. Word is the honor of a man of principles.
I think we all agree that we need more provinces in the country and all the existing provinces should be divided into smaller units/provinces. And Baldiyaati Nizam is very good for the development.
PTI did the right thing by keeping their word for the boycott of the 2008 election. Word is the honor of a man of principles.
I think we all agree that we need more provinces in the country and all the existing provinces should be divided into smaller units/provinces. And Baldiyaati Nizam is very good for the development.
gazoomartian
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
oh please folks, don't pay 2 cents to the survey.
Surveys are always contaminated by the inclination of the Survey Firm. Sometimes they favor a particular person pr party so they could get favors if the party comes in power. Sometimes they do favors because they like someone, either an individual or the partyhead, and put out faulty or bias surveys.
Example: Few years ago a survey firm in Toronto, issued a survey report that, in Greater Toronto Area, Liberals had 67% support of the Ontarions.
The next night another firm announced that PC has 70% support from Greater TO area.
You figured it our yourself, who is correct. Neither are correct because they both have done to influence voters on behalf of their favorite party, Liberals or Conservatives.
the only way you can really measure the voters' support is at the polls if a fair election is held
Surveys are always contaminated by the inclination of the Survey Firm. Sometimes they favor a particular person pr party so they could get favors if the party comes in power. Sometimes they do favors because they like someone, either an individual or the partyhead, and put out faulty or bias surveys.
Example: Few years ago a survey firm in Toronto, issued a survey report that, in Greater Toronto Area, Liberals had 67% support of the Ontarions.
The next night another firm announced that PC has 70% support from Greater TO area.
You figured it our yourself, who is correct. Neither are correct because they both have done to influence voters on behalf of their favorite party, Liberals or Conservatives.
the only way you can really measure the voters' support is at the polls if a fair election is held
gazoomartian
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I am getting so sick n tired of hearing about 'more provinces'. This move was first announced by the peer of London Hazrat Altaf Hussein about hazara (or was it Saraiki, one or the other) to hurt PMLN in Punjab.
Altaf started this on His Master Voice (Zardari, a coalition trash). But its getting out of control.
More provinces are NOT the cure for our ills.
More province means:
1. more separation movements
2. More bureaucracy
3. More ministers
4. More expenses for the local assemblies
5. More expense on security, on land Cruisers, on bullet proof cars
6. More burden on national tax payers because in case of new small province, it will not be able to sustains its expenses. It will be a continuous burden on federal ex-checkers
7. More police expense
8. more departments such educations, municipals, transportation. etc
9. Less employment in a country like Pakistan.
10. more idiots provincial representatives in national assemblies.
11. Bigger problems in distribution of wealth earned thru natural resources (if we ever get to that point)
list would go on, but I can think of only these points at this time.
these سیاسی مرغے have no idea what are they talking about. They have just jumped in the bandwagon to compete with each other and to shine their badge in the hearts of voters.
I hate to tell you brothers and sisters, this سیاسی مرغے includes IK.
Creating more provinces is NOT the cure to sense of left-behinds or mahroomian. There are other easy solutions, which I shall implement in my party's tenure.
I can assure you more provinces would prove to be a disaster because Pakistan is not in a capacity right now to afford new ones.
Gazoo Martian
Altaf started this on His Master Voice (Zardari, a coalition trash). But its getting out of control.
More provinces are NOT the cure for our ills.
محرومی کا علاج نئے صوبے نہیں ہیں - محرومی کا علاج یہ ہے کہ آپ محرومی دور کریں - عوام تو حمایت کرتے ہیں اسلئے کہ وہ ان پڑھ ہیں - جو اپنے پسندیدہ لیڈران کی باتوں پر آمنا صدقنا کہ دیتے ہیں
More province means:
1. more separation movements
2. More bureaucracy
3. More ministers
4. More expenses for the local assemblies
5. More expense on security, on land Cruisers, on bullet proof cars
6. More burden on national tax payers because in case of new small province, it will not be able to sustains its expenses. It will be a continuous burden on federal ex-checkers
7. More police expense
8. more departments such educations, municipals, transportation. etc
9. Less employment in a country like Pakistan.
10. more idiots provincial representatives in national assemblies.
11. Bigger problems in distribution of wealth earned thru natural resources (if we ever get to that point)
list would go on, but I can think of only these points at this time.
these سیاسی مرغے have no idea what are they talking about. They have just jumped in the bandwagon to compete with each other and to shine their badge in the hearts of voters.
I hate to tell you brothers and sisters, this سیاسی مرغے includes IK.
Creating more provinces is NOT the cure to sense of left-behinds or mahroomian. There are other easy solutions, which I shall implement in my party's tenure.
I can assure you more provinces would prove to be a disaster because Pakistan is not in a capacity right now to afford new ones.
Gazoo Martian
Imran can say anything but I'd like to believe a neutral person.
Here are the figures (according to IRI Oct-Nov. Survey). IRI's website says a newer version has been compiled but I could not verify its content from a neutral source, so I'd think twice if someone quotes a major change(like PTI being no. 2 in Sindh).
National Popularity:
PML-N: 29%
PTI: 20%
PPP: 15%
MQM: 3%
PML-Q: 1%
Provinces:
Punjab:
PML-N: 41%
PTI: 20%
PPP:15%
PML-Q:3%
Sindh:
PPP:20%
MQM: 15%
PML-N:9%
KPK:
PTI: 41%
ANP:12-15%
Balochistan:
PML-N:25%
PPP: 10%
PTI: 5%
Also, it is not a good idea to pick the surveys individually, and it biases the observations if one picks and chooses the surveys favoring him only. Media paid attention to the Pew Poll showing Imran as the most popular leader in the country, but the same survey's one year old version did not get the same coverage. The survey referred above, in my opinion, did capture the recent gained PTI rise. Still, it does not show any party being a national one in the true sense.
If one is to believe IK's PTI being 2nd popular in Sindh, it would be interesting to see WHERE exactly PTI hit them so hard(interior Sindh or Urban) and what became of PPP and MQM. Without any politician recently joining them and any amazing new Sindhi slogan, it can be a misquote probably.
[The numbers quoted above were taken SECOND HAND,from Sohail Waraich's prog:
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...tabiq-with-Sohail-Warraich-18th-February-2012
Errors Excepted]
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Let's see if any credible media person come up with the results and the analysis. Otherwise it is going to be your, mine or any other person's word or speculation about it. Personally I believe IK when he says that's the result. But of course you can have different opinions if you don't trust IK as much as we do. And yeah I'm equally curious to find out the details about the standings, particularly I'm interested in the margin of difference between PTI and PML-N in Punjab (Last time it was about 20%) which will give an indication of the trend there.
Do tell me if out find some, esp. the no. 2 in Sindh part.
MainBaghiHon
Minister (2k+ posts)
arslan4u
Minister (2k+ posts)
Stupid comment by Noora League lover, he gave interview to Sana Bucha, Fareeha Idrees, Dr Danish, Mubashir Luqman, Talat Hussain, Kashif Abbasi and many other anchors on all channels, they are all his family anchors too? What about your Munafiq-e-Azam? We never see him being asked real tough questions in any interview, why does he hide in his palace, why doesnt he have the courage to face public in live programs?
