Thoughts on moving Back to Pakistan

[justsomguy]

I wouldn't say that Pakistan is not for humans. There are 180 million people living there. The suicide rate in USA is higher, the depression rate is higher, divorce is at 60%, murder rate per capita is higher, and just wait and see what happens in the next 10 years as the economy collapses and people start looking for scapgoats..guess who they are going to target?

 

[sigma]

Well I think, in the beginning you feel a bit uncomfortable with electricity issues but then after a week you wont even feel anything.

No its not that a jungle, everything is good, if you mind your own business and work. I feel its a better place since we can see our people, our culture and more so our memories.

 

[nonamina]

I think this is a very interesting discussion. I left Pakistan long time back and after living in Japan and Singapore made Australia my home. In all these countries I have never felt that I was not welcome or was being discriminated. I have full freedom of movement to any part of the country, access to every benefit that I enjoy as a citizen, have the right to speak and express my opinion without fear of being persecuted, have total peace of mind regarding my safety, I have a sense of security and justice. All of these virtues are not due to the government but by the society and people around me. They are tolerant and accepting.
Unfortunately in Pakistan the society has not developed enough to this level. Pakistanis are an intolerant nation by nature. Eve if there is the best and most honest government at the top the people and society remains the same. People are discriminated on the basis of gender, religion, belief, ethnicity and cultural back ground. A sindhi income tax officer can never work in Bannu or a Pathan administrator can never work in the municipal office in Chandka. The huge class system of haves and have nots is dividing the society right in the middle.
For these reasons, even if the best government comes into power, I would never even think of going back. You become what your surroundings are. Where ever you belong becomes your home. Even after 100 years if Pakistan progresses to where Australia is now, Australia would have progressed even further.

i agree with you,, sometimes i also think on these lines and my mind says not to go back. our society will take 15-20 years to become civilized if someone honest and loyal person tries to teach the nation how to live like humans.. i have no problem living in the states, no load shedding , no problem what so ever. but i dont know why i think that i should go back and try to play my part in the progress of my country. i bet there is a lot of potential of improvement in all the fields of life , we just need honest leadership and better law and order situation where you can sleep with your doors open and police is right at your door when ever something goes wrong with you... it is a long discussion and i am not good at typing so i stop here

 

[kayawish]

current Pakistan is exactly like the dead body with only bones left.you can see the picture in which these vultures are N-Leage and Peoples party who still wants to find something to eat from bones which is offcourse Pakistan.You can also see there leader Zardari in this pic too :lol:

 

[nonamina]

منے اگر تم فیملی سمیت اسوقت پاکستان ھوتے تو سو سال قبل کی زندگی گزار رھے ھوتے۔واقعی جب من و سلوی روز کھانے کو بغیر کسی محنت کے وافر ملنے لگے تو پھر ترکاری کو بھی دل کرتا ھے۔جب پیٹ بھرا ھوا ھو تو ایسی باتیں یاد آتی ھیں جنکا عقل سے دور کا واسطہ بھی نھیں ھوتا۔
میری بات کا غصہ نہ کرنا ابھی کل ھی میری دوست سے بات ھوی میں نے پوچھا کیسے ھو اور کیا ھورھا ھے کھنے لگا کہ صبح سے بجلی نھیں آئ ٹینکی میں پانی نھیں ھے کیونکہ موٹر بجلی سے چلتی ھے۔باتھ روم نھیں جاسکتے اور کچن میں بھی پانی کے ساتھ گیس بھی بند ھے۔رات کو دس اتنے ھلکے پریشر سے گیس آرھی تھی کہ کھانا نھیں پک سکا۔ھوٹل سے کھانا لا کر بچوں کو کھلایا ھے لیکن ھر روز تو ایسا کرنے سے تنخواھ دس دن بعد اڑ جاے گی۔بچے کپڑے جلد گندے کر لیتے ھیں لیکن بجلی ھی نھیں کہ دھو سکیں۔اسلیے انکے کھیلنے پر پابندی لگا دی ھے۔صرف بیڈ پر بیٹھ کر لڈو کھیل سکتے ھیں وھ بھی جب تک سورج کا اجالا ھے۔
پینے کا پانی بھی ختم ھے اور دودھ دینے والا بھی نھیں آیا کیونکہ ان سارے مسائل کا اسے بھی سامنا ھے اور بھینسوں کو بھی۔
میرا خیال ھے کہ آپکو اپنا سجا سجایا سیٹ اپ نھیں چھوڑنا چاھیے ھو سکتا ھے کہ آپکے کسی بچے کو اس ایریے کا مولوی اپنے مدرسے میں داخل کرنا چاھے اور آپکے انکار پر ایکدن جلوس آپکے گھر کو جلا دے کہ آپ باھر سے جاسوسی کرنے آے ھیں اور توھین مذھب کے مرتکب بھی ھوے ھیں وغیرھ۔
اگر آپ کے پاس پیسا ھے تو فیکٹری لگا لیں گے مگر وھ تو بجلی سے ھی چل سکتی ھے۔پھر ٹیکس والوں کو رشوت،بدمعاشوں کو جگا ٹیکس اور اب تو مذھبی جماعتوں نے بھی بھتہ شروع کر رکھاھے۔آپ کیا کریں گے پاکستان میں تو سریلنکن ٹیم پر سرعام گولیاں برسای گئیں پر کسی نے ایک بندھ بھی نھیں لٹکایا۔آپکی تو خبر بھی معمولی سی آے گی کہ یورپ پلٹ فیکٹری اونر اپنے گھر میں مردھ پایا گیا ۔ھمسائیوں کے مطابق اسکی کسی سے کوی دشمنی نھیں تھی،خیال کیا جاتا ھے کہ اسنے سٹریس کی وجہ سے اپنا خاتمہ کرلیا،،،،،،،،،،مٹی پاو،،،،،سوری
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your logic is understandable and correct but things will start changing when honest people will sit at the top level.. i am sure looters and robbers will hide somewhere and problems will reduce gradually.5-10 years

 

[Darik]

Most Pakistani don't like the west I came to Canada in 1969 then after 11 years I went back to Pakistan. I never regret my decision to back. I worked in multination companies upto 2000. There is always problem but it is bearable compare to living in the west. There is no bad or good time it is you who make things, work your way.

 

[Afraheem]

اپنے وطن سے بڑھ کر کوئی جگا نہیں پر جینے کے لیے سکون اور امن بھی ہونا چاہے ابھی وقت نہیں ہوا واپس آشیانے کی طرف لوٹنے کا صبح ہونے میں کچھ وقت باقی ہے ابھی چند ساعتوں کا انتظار ہے اور امید ہے اللہ سے اور دعا ہے کے اس دفعہ لوگوں کو عقل آ چکی ہوگی اور وہ پاکستان خان کو ووٹ دے کر وطن عزیز پور رحم کریں گے اور خنزیر اور بھیڑیوں سے جان چھوٹ جائے گی امین

 

[naveed]

I'll be heading back as soon IK is in power.

 

[ExNoora]

i can share my own personal experience. I have been living in US for 20 years now and i tried to move back to Pakistan 2 times. Once during NS term, i sold everthing here and moved to Lahore. N.S froze my foreign currency bank account and i only back got 70% of my original money after 3 months. Second time i moved back and after 5 months of dealing with corrupt system, no electricity, no water, crazy traffic, (list is too long), i decided to move back to US. I have several friends who made that "mistake" of going back to homeland, but none of them could survive in Pakistan and eventually came back. I apologize for calling it a mistake but that is the harsh truth. My advice would be that if you are well settled, don't even think about moving back yet. Wait for IK and if things get stabilized in Pakistan, only then consider going back.

 

[ExNoora]

i used to have the same mentality that west market is saturated and in Pakistan there is not much competition. It is partially true, but Pakistan has its own million other problems that you don't face here in US. I don't think i need to highlight those problems, they are kind of obvious.

 

[RuleBre@ker]

منے اگر تم فیملی سمیت اسوقت پاکستان ھوتے تو سو سال قبل کی زندگی گزار رھے ھوتے۔واقعی جب من و سلوی روز کھانے کو بغیر کسی محنت کے وافر ملنے لگے تو پھر ترکاری کو بھی دل کرتا ھے۔جب پیٹ بھرا ھوا ھو تو ایسی باتیں یاد آتی ھیں جنکا عقل سے دور کا واسطہ بھی نھیں ھوتا۔
میری بات کا غصہ نہ کرنا ابھی کل ھی میری دوست سے بات ھوی میں نے پوچھا کیسے ھو اور کیا ھورھا ھے کھنے لگا کہ صبح سے بجلی نھیں آئ ٹینکی میں پانی نھیں ھے کیونکہ موٹر بجلی سے چلتی ھے۔باتھ روم نھیں جاسکتے اور کچن میں بھی پانی کے ساتھ گیس بھی بند ھے۔رات کو دس اتنے ھلکے پریشر سے گیس آرھی تھی کہ کھانا نھیں پک سکا۔ھوٹل سے کھانا لا کر بچوں کو کھلایا ھے لیکن ھر روز تو ایسا کرنے سے تنخواھ دس دن بعد اڑ جاے گی۔بچے کپڑے جلد گندے کر لیتے ھیں لیکن بجلی ھی نھیں کہ دھو سکیں۔اسلیے انکے کھیلنے پر پابندی لگا دی ھے۔صرف بیڈ پر بیٹھ کر لڈو کھیل سکتے ھیں وھ بھی جب تک سورج کا اجالا ھے۔
پینے کا پانی بھی ختم ھے اور دودھ دینے والا بھی نھیں آیا کیونکہ ان سارے مسائل کا اسے بھی سامنا ھے اور بھینسوں کو بھی۔
میرا خیال ھے کہ آپکو اپنا سجا سجایا سیٹ اپ نھیں چھوڑنا چاھیے ھو سکتا ھے کہ آپکے کسی بچے کو اس ایریے کا مولوی اپنے مدرسے میں داخل کرنا چاھے اور آپکے انکار پر ایکدن جلوس آپکے گھر کو جلا دے کہ آپ باھر سے جاسوسی کرنے آے ھیں اور توھین مذھب کے مرتکب بھی ھوے ھیں وغیرھ۔
اگر آپ کے پاس پیسا ھے تو فیکٹری لگا لیں گے مگر وھ تو بجلی سے ھی چل سکتی ھے۔پھر ٹیکس والوں کو رشوت،بدمعاشوں کو جگا ٹیکس اور اب تو مذھبی جماعتوں نے بھی بھتہ شروع کر رکھاھے۔آپ کیا کریں گے پاکستان میں تو سریلنکن ٹیم پر سرعام گولیاں برسای گئیں پر کسی نے ایک بندھ بھی نھیں لٹکایا۔آپکی تو خبر بھی معمولی سی آے گی کہ یورپ پلٹ فیکٹری اونر اپنے گھر میں مردھ پایا گیا ۔ھمسائیوں کے مطابق اسکی کسی سے کوی دشمنی نھیں تھی،خیال کیا جاتا ھے کہ اسنے سٹریس کی وجہ سے اپنا خاتمہ کرلیا،،،،،،،،،،مٹی پاو،،،،،سوری​

ڈرا دتا جے پا جی

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[Believer12]

ڈرا دتا جے پا جی

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Brother I do not want a single Pakistani suffered with these problems.My own family members have lost their money and hope by taking these wrong steps.we have to wait few years til situation change there.we can also serve our country by sending money to our families.If we have oppertunities the doors of education are open for us.

 

[Khanisback]

In my opinion what matters is your personal satisfaction and desires. My pleasures are all linked to my family relatives and friends and our own people. I feel a complete stranger here. Nothing belongs to you after all its a country of somebody else. So when my studies finish, I will not wait even for a single day despite of the fact that situation is not good there.

 

[justsomguy]

Khan wish you all the best, and if you are really intent on going, don't wait..waiting will get you stuck and will be trapped...May allah give you the best..but I honestly believe that after hitting the bottom, the only way you can go is up. Pakistan is close to hitting the bottom, people have had enough. Media is educating the masses politically and trying to hold politicians accountable; this is a relatively new phenomenon in Pakistan so it will take time. There are positive things going on. However, people's fears are well warranted. Exnoora pleas give more details about their experiences as it will help us learn.

 

[zahidmajid]

pakistan is only for land lords and genarls or peoples who has ;ot of money i mean where they can buy any thing insaf police any thing (because in pakistan evry thing has a price ican give you 1000 exmpl) poor people they dont have any life in pakistan.these land lord they neve work 80%people are corrpet.if pakistan is safe only due to these 20%people.i live in canada since last 32 year.this is paradise if you work hard with honsty you get every thing.

 

[Aadmi]

Humans are selfish, they only love themselve n do what pleases them, those who left the country did it for themselve n those who decided to go back also did it for their own good.
I dont think we do anything for the country or all that bullshit, everyone living abroad want to go back once its all good in pakistan, well you cant be more selfish then that.
and all the money overseas pakistanis send to pakistan is for their own relative, they dont give a fckk abt the country, If their family is with them they dont send a single penny.
ALL this patriotism is bullshittt, we want IK to make pakistan better so we can go back n live happily ever after

 

[Keepinformed]

Yes west is not for Muslims. Please go back to Pakistan and stay there.

 

[ranaji]

yes, I have no doubt that Pakistan is going to be the center of excellence in coming years. May Allah give us sa'adat to be a part of that.

Ameen (clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)

 

[QADIANITRUTH]

Economics will drive your decisions. If the economy improves, law and order will improve and society will perform better in terms of unity. Its the wealth or lack of it that drives the social behavior ONCE PAKISTAN STARTS TO UPHOLD THE LAW, things will change In sha Allah.

I am 1000% certain that when Imran Khans PTI comes to power, Pakistan will become a better place to live. I will In sha Allah move to Pakistan.
I am have been living abroad since 1985, and except for 3 years I live in the UK as student, I have been visiting Pakistan every year and sometimes more than once a year. I am very well connected with Pakistan and I know it is still a lovely place to live. It will be even better in coming years God willing, lets hope Imran comes to power in next elections.

 

[Shoaib A Qureshi]

i am waiting for the day when IK comes in power and when i reach pak immigration people deal with me and my family with respect. after ik comes in power i will wait for a couple of months and see how is his performance then i am going to say goodbye to USA and settle in pak. It is better to stay in our own country as a first class citizen instead of living abroad as a third class citizen. due to our looter rulers , respect of pakistan in the states have gone worst then dogs and i don't feel comfortable explaining everyone that we are not like it is portrayed in the media...

My plan is the same like you, thanks to not let me write....;)