Things We Can Do With 50 JF -17 Thunders: Your Comments Folks

[ealtaf]

I think this will strengthen our Air Defence and give us an edge that we needed most at this time.

Ur comments please.:)

 

[khanpanni]

Re: Things We Can Do With 50 JF -17 Thunders: Ur Comments Folks

These JF 17 thunder will increase our striking power, Inshallah . But main clash is inbetween CIA and ISI. The better question is should this tension remain or they

come again closer to eachother ?

In the case of our nukes if they corner us more and more and then 3rd world war is imminent. Dont think Pak Forces are so weak and feeble.
May Allah protect us from war, Aameen !

Pak Forces and Pakistan Zindabad !!!

 

[imran0033]

Re: Things We Can Do With 50 JF -17 Thunders: Ur Comments Folks

These JF 17 thunder will increase our striking power, Inshallah . But main clash is inbetween CIA and ISI. The better question is should this tension remain or they

come again closer to eachother ?

In the case of our nukes if they corner us more and more and then 3rd world war is imminent. Dont think Pak Forces are so weak and feeble.
May Allah protect us from war, Aameen !

Pak Forces and Pakistan Zindabad !!!

I agree with this guy, whatever is happening now is not a war, but if war starts between US and Pakistan then situation will be different, Pakistan WILL consider nuke option, I am sure US will not do this mistake. they will only put some pressure on Pakistan to do his job. launching a compete attack on Juke capable country is not an easy task. US need more Army and equipment to bring in for fighting against 700,000 Pak Army personnels

 

[mt_dilber]

Re: Things We Can Do With 50 JF -17 Thunders: Ur Comments Folks

It is good alternative of F16. Less dependency on US for F16s and their expensive spares. there is another theory that US might sell equipments to Pak which may have been bugged with devices/viruses which can either jam or severely effect efficiency of the aircraft anytime they are activated.

 

[sherazopel]

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[crankthskunk]

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I agree with this guy, whatever is happening now is not a war, but if war starts between US and Pakistan then situation will be different, Pakistan WILL consider nuke option, I am sure US will not do this mistake. they will only put some pressure on Pakistan to do his job. launching a compete attack on Juke capable country is not an easy task. US need more Army and equipment to bring in for fighting against 700,000 Pak Army personnels

I will restate my comments on Pakistan's testing short range battlefield Missile a month ago. I wrote it is very good news if Pakistan got this technology, it would provide safety and stability for Pakistan in its defence needs and deterrence against the enemies, now including Americans.

For example against Americans Pakistan wouldn't be able to use long range missiles to hit USA, we do not have long range missiles, which USA knows. Thats why now they want Pakistan to stop their nuclear and missile progress.

But with battlefield technology available, Pakistan can use depleted uranium ammunition and missiles or nuclear tipped short range missiles. This means our enemies wouldnt be secure on the battle fields.

Americans could only rely on their air power to destroy Pakistans ability and its military and missiles bases. Provided we keep our second strike capabilities intact. Pakistan should target their military bases and airports with medium range missiles and then attack their army with short range depleted uranium ammunition.

Americans are sabre rattling, if Pakistanis get tough, they will back down and come to their senses. But if our leaders keep showing cowardice, they will gain strength and would think Pakistan is a cake walk.

This is time to stand up with your full height, or loose everything. You do not expect or request clemency from your enemies (goode gitte choona), you either fight or surrender. This stage is coming soon, be warned.

 

[shaheer]

Re: Things We Can Do With 50 JF -17 Thunders: Ur Comments Folks

"ghaireat ha bari cheez jahan-e-tago do myn"we need some THUNDER LEADERSHIP as well otherwise its gonna b toooo late.

 

[islamabadi]

Re: Things We Can Do With 50 JF -17 Thunders: Ur Comments Folks

After the recent stan off with USA, it is time we develop intercontinental missiles capable of reaching any city in USA. If they strike us, we shoudl be able to strike their cities too. (too bad for the turncoats living in USA though)

 

[hashirarif]

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hello friends pl try to understand and dont overestimate yourself in terms of equipment ,i think we forget that paki,s loose always on the table .

most of the wars and clashes in the world in the recent history has been won by the minds and imotions ,equipments are having second level priority.

simply and one line agenda need to follow that please brothers try to follow the teachings of holy prophet PBUH. success is waiting for those who knows

themselves.

 

[terex]

it will be a cheap chinese toy which can stop anytime in air:P


hope it doesnt work like the chinese engines paksitan imported from china,
most of them failed with in a year!!

Chinese company fights back to get order for railway engines

ISLAMABAD: After succeeding to win two tenders to supply 144 locomotives to the Pakistan Railways worth billions of rupees, the Chinese locomotive company is trying its best to stop the Railways from purchasing 150 locomotives from America.

But Sardar Ayaz Sadiq, Chairman National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Railways, who has criticised these engines as total failure, says the company had signed a contract of $16 million for spare parts of 69 locomotives and if one starts calculating its price, it would turn out to be more than other bidders.

Almost 32 of these 69 engines are out of use permanently and the Chinese company has also not provided the required repairs and maintenance as obligatory under the warranty. Sardar Ayaz Sadiq also alleged that the company had submitted unreliable and unauthentic performance certificates to win the second bid of 75 locomotives. He said that the GM (audit) of PR has also objected to this in an audit para regarding 75 locomotives.

Documents reveal that the Chinese company attached four performance certificates, which were initially not attached with the tender of 75 locomotives but were attached with the documents after the NA Standing Committee on Railways took cognisance of the matter.

The certificates had to be issued by the Railway department of the country to whom the locomotives were to be supplied and were to be attested by the Pakistan Embassy functioning in that country but the documents, which were provided to the National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Railways, were not attested by any embassy.

As a response and under immense pressure to buy new locomotives, Pakistan Railways has issued tenders to buy non-Chinese engines and the US Export Import Bank has offered a $400 million supplier’s credit if Pakistan purchases the US engines.

The Chinese company, Dong Fang Electric Corporation, has also started writing to various organisations on exclusion from the recent 150 locomotives purchase. PR officials said the Chinese company officials lost their temper before the PR officials on Monday for not getting a chance to bid in the tender for 150 locomotives. The General Manager PR confirmed to The News about the attitude of the Chinese company officials in a pre-bid meeting.

In a recent letter bearing no. DEC-150DEL-10053IT dated May 31, 2010, the Chinese company’s project manager, Huang Xue Hui, has written to Transparency International: “We won the open international competitive bidding held in 2001 to supply 69 Chinese locomotives to PR for US$98 million, and subsequently also won the open international competitive bidding held in 2007 to supply a further 75 Chinese locomotives to PR for US$105 million. This new contract of 75 locomotives was awarded to us due to the satisfactory service our previous 69 locomotives are giving to PR.

“Similarly, when we insisted on purchasing the tender documents on 14-05-2010 and put it in writing that Mr Syed Shahid Ahmad was refusing to issue us the tender document, then the very next day his statement was carried in The News trashing our locomotives and falsely claiming that 32 of them had become scrapped. (The fact is that Railways did not supply spare parts to our locomotives due to their poor operating and maintenance practices and lack of money. They have recently signed a maintenance contract with us for these spares, and as soon as the parts arrive, our locomotives will be back on the track.)”

“In conclusion, please note we are willing and able to offer PR most competitive pricing for these 150 locomotives as well as financing from Export-Import Bank of China or other financial institutions,” the Chinese company letter said.

On the issue of unauthenticated certificates, documents show that 50 locomotives were supplied to Nigerian Railway Corporation in 1997 with a note of praise for the Chinese locomotives. Another performance certificate says that six locomotives were provided to Tanzania-Zambia Railway Authority. This certificate was also not attested by the Pakistan Embassy in the relevant countries.

One of the performance certificates that has been provided to the standing committee to prove the competence of Chinese locomotives states that some 50 units were supplied to Iraq Railways in 2003. This letter also carries a long praise of the locomotives. While the last performance certificate states that some 18 units were supplied to Ku’ele Loco Shed, Xin Jiang, in 1998. This certificate has also not been certified by any embassy.

The federal minister for railways had publicly stated a few months back that the Sino-Pak friendship had forced the PR to award tender for procurement of 75 locomotives to the Chinese company while he was willing to purchase locomotives from an American company because Railways had a bad experience with the Chinese locomotives.

Out of 144 locomotives bought from china,100 failed with in a year!!

China still cant make locomotives for the heavy freight locomotives,They themselves copy,replicate or buy american and german locomotives!!

similarly JF17 is copy cat of russian plane,with engine bought from russia RD93(chinks unable to copy precise technology :P)!

Here is the cheap JF17 made up of cheap metals !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V4waXZLxSE

 

[xiaahmad]

This can be done:

 

[Scorpion]

They can make a pass over Islamabad Roads at 10 feet hight every day . . . . no more sweepers to be required

Larna tu aahta nai jharoo hi lage saktay hain . . . .